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Both electric furlers no working

Mark Garver
 

A couple of weeks ago, our main furler failed, it would unfurl, but it would not roll back in, but the outhaul worked just fine. The genoa worked just fine until last week when I was preparing the boat for the hurricane, it rolled out for about 2 seconds then stopped and wouldn’t operate in either direction. I am not sure if these two issues are related or not. Our boat is SM #105 (1993) and until these to issues happened everything was working as it should be. Regarding the genoa, I had a friend stand up on the bow to listen for a solenoid click or activation and there is nothing. I had to fly back to Texas for work before being able to sort these and am about to head back up this week to resolve and was looking for any input on where to begin. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mark

SV It’s Good
SM #105
Gloucester, VA


Re: Switch to LiFePO4

karkauai
 

Great info, thanks, Elja!
Kent

On Aug 14, 2020 1:11 AM, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:


i've been working on Li Batteries for a few weeks since we're going to upgrade in spring 21.
for our SM, I have a narrow selection
the batteries from
Victron ,

https://www.victronenergy.de/batteries/lithium-battery-12-8v

liontron

https://greenakku.de/batteries/lithium batteries::7_56.html? gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjf61rvaZ6wIVjqmyCh33DAtUEAAYASAEgJzovD_BwE

or from a company Ripower in Germany that can build batteries on your desired dimensions! Price not much difference from standard batteries .

https://ripower.en/

Greetings to Elja
SM Balu 222

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Re: Switch to LiFePO4

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

i've been working on Li Batteries for a few weeks since we're going to upgrade in spring 21.
for our SM, I have a narrow selection
the batteries from
Victron ,

https://www.victronenergy.de/batteries/lithium-battery-12-8v

liontron

https://greenakku.de/batteries/lithium batteries::7_56.html? gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjf61rvaZ6wIVjqmyCh33DAtUEAAYASAEgJzovD_BwE

or from a company Ripower in Germany that can build batteries on your desired dimensions! Price not much difference from standard batteries .

https://ripower.en/

Greetings to Elja
SM Balu 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: A54 engine anti siphon vent

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi All,

I wanted to share an observation on that subject:

Despite having a very clear water circuit to the engine, we would sometimes get that squirting in the anti-siphon vent. 

After much head scratching, we realised it was due to the anchor wash check valve being stuck open, allowing air to be sucked in the sea chest through the anchor wash line. After cleaning it and removing all debris, it’s all back to normal. 

Hope that will help others

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Moorea, French Polynesia 


On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 02:33, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
Over the decades with Amel, I sometimes sat in on part of the week long schooling each new Amel owner received as well as the somewhat shorter training I got on the three new ones I owned. The Amel guys always said to listen for the anti-siphon
"Clear it's throat" on start up and then 
" Mind it's manners" all the rest of the time.
A clever and catchy way to remember this important item.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Very important and astute observation. We do the same. Luckily we have little ladies who get paid for a weekly clean out of the salt water system. Also, first time I started the engine with Bill Rouse on board he reflexively pointed me to that siphon to look and listen to the stream in the starboard cockpit drain. Just yet another reason I’m so thankful we did the Amel school. 
Porter
A54-152. IBIS


On Jan 28, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:


Hi all,

Over the few years we have owned Garulfo, we came to notice that the anti siphon vent for the engine that exits in the starboard cockpit drain hole was a good tell tale of a restriction in the raw water line: 

when everything is clear (intake thru hull, vetus strainer, transmission heat exchanger, impeller, etc), the stream of water out of the vent line into the drain is continuous and silent,

when the flow is restricted, the initial spurting of water and exhaust gaz continues to the point of becoming annoying and I know i need to go and clean something. After clearing the line, the flow is back to normal. 


Do other A54 owners share the same experience? Do my conclusions make sense, or is it some kind of coincidence?

Any feedback welcome!

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Ua Huka, Marquesas, French Polynesia 



Re: Switch to LiFePO4

karkauai
 

Interesting Oliver,
What sizes 400 AHr battery? Can they fit in our battery box?
Do you have a recommendation for a brand you think is high quality?

Thanks,
Kent

On Aug 13, 2020 1:35 PM, "Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica" <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:
Hi,

In the long run it is even more advisable to abandon the traditional car batterie style and take one 24 volt 400, 500 or 600Ah lithium batterie instead building it up from 12 or 24 volt sections. 

I would prefer a central based BMS controller supervising the hole batterie at once, not packages without com port where one cell does not know what the other does. 

And you should look at the guaranteed capacity. Means this battleborn has only 90% capacity, according to their discharge graph. In my eyes thats a hint for low quality? 
A good quality batterie, with good chemistry inside, will guarantee 100 to 108% capacity.

There is no "drop in batterie" that is misleading because in the end you need to setup all the electronics, chargers, BMS aso. to lithium. That is the real change. Not in what plastic case the cells are packed.

Oliver from Vela Nautica 
A54#39 
Martinique 





On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 07:21 Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Battle  Born was not very explicit about it in the Zoom meeting last week but in the long run it is very much advisable to use the 24 volt units instead of the 12 volt units. 

Using 24 volt units makes sure you will balance cells across 24 volts instead of 2 x 12 volt leaving a potential unbalance between the two 12 volt banks.
For capacity the answer is simple, as much as you wallet can last. You will always find ways to spend the available capacity in the end, so more is better. 

For your chargers you will need to investigate if you can set them to the exact same charging parameters. That may be difficult.
Also think about your charging regime. Again Battle Born was not very explicit about this but if you boat is connected to shore power for extended periods, you should lower your float voltage to reduce the state of charge to 70-80%. This can be difficult to achieve if you have several charge sources as this means adjusting it very precisely, up to tenths of volts accurate.
I did not like the way Battle Born played down this issue but Lithium batteries do not like to be kept at 100% charge level for extended periods. Even Tesla has extended logic in their battery management to handle this issue. So when Battle Born claims it has superior cells that do not suffer from this problem, I’m skeptical.

Just my 2 cents....

Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121



Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

 

Mark, from my book:
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:05 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

Is this a piece of foam – about 2-3” -  attached with a tie to the cable? It’s hard to tell.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:35 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

 

Mark, I posted a photo (not a good one) earlier in this thread.

image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

If someone could please post a picture of the foam, this would be very helpful to me.

 

I will soon be replacing the Antenna (main mast), cables and VHF. I plan to thread the new cable from the top of the mast attaching it to the old cable while it is removed. If I can, I would like to keep the foam. I think I could add this as the new cable is being inserted but it is unclear how the foam is attached.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us


Re: 175A alternator belts

Alan Leslie
 

The belts are A section, Yanmar number is 25132-004600, generic A46.

I have found that Dayco cogged belts last longer than standard V-belts. The dual belts on the LN 175A alternator and the single belt for the waterpump and 12 v alterntaor are the same size on the standard Amel set up.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes

Thomas Kleman
 

Impeccable timing on your circumnav- we are stuck in Hawaii now waiting......had a new shutdown just last night. The AC water pump capacitor caused a genset shutdown at what should have been about 3 KW.....and gave me the wrong code as well. Please post when you discover the solution. I'm sure this will happen to us.

Tom and Kirstin
SM 2K 422
L'ORIENT
Hanalei Bay, Kauia


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

Yes, it is.
/Ann-Sofie S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998.


Skickat från min iPhone

13 aug. 2020 kl. 21:05 skrev Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>:



Bill,

 

Is this a piece of foam – about 2-3” -  attached with a tie to the cable? It’s hard to tell.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:35 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

 

Mark, I posted a photo (not a good one) earlier in this thread.

<image001.png>

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

If someone could please post a picture of the foam, this would be very helpful to me.

 

I will soon be replacing the Antenna (main mast), cables and VHF. I plan to thread the new cable from the top of the mast attaching it to the old cable while it is removed. If I can, I would like to keep the foam. I think I could add this as the new cable is being inserted but it is unclear how the foam is attached.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

Is this a piece of foam – about 2-3” -  attached with a tie to the cable? It’s hard to tell.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:35 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

 

Mark, I posted a photo (not a good one) earlier in this thread.

image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

If someone could please post a picture of the foam, this would be very helpful to me.

 

I will soon be replacing the Antenna (main mast), cables and VHF. I plan to thread the new cable from the top of the mast attaching it to the old cable while it is removed. If I can, I would like to keep the foam. I think I could add this as the new cable is being inserted but it is unclear how the foam is attached.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Paul Osterberg
 

If you can't keep the foam, one can attache cable ties to the cable and keep +/-5 cm of it, a few cable ties every 30-40 cm will take away most of the noice as it prevents the cable to dangle against the mast tube.
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Portugal 


Re: Switch to LiFePO4

karkauai
 

Thanks to all for your advice. Where would you set float on your alternator, Elja? I have a separate controller, so I can set float where ever I want it.

Kent

On Aug 13, 2020 1:14 PM, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

Yes, and you should cut the altinator  so that batteries are not always loaded in full during a long drive
Elja
SM Balu 222

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Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

 

Mark, I posted a photo (not a good one) earlier in this thread.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

If someone could please post a picture of the foam, this would be very helpful to me.

 

I will soon be replacing the Antenna (main mast), cables and VHF. I plan to thread the new cable from the top of the mast attaching it to the old cable while it is removed. If I can, I would like to keep the foam. I think I could add this as the new cable is being inserted but it is unclear how the foam is attached.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us


Re: Switch to LiFePO4

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Then you have to go to Victron , they have a seperate BMS
one for all batteries ,
and then you have all in one hand
Charger/ inverter
Solar regulation
and altinator .

One other question
What happens with the Li Batteries and the BMS
when you take a flshlighit ?

Elja
SM Balu 222


Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Mark Erdos
 

If someone could please post a picture of the foam, this would be very helpful to me.

 

I will soon be replacing the Antenna (main mast), cables and VHF. I plan to thread the new cable from the top of the mast attaching it to the old cable while it is removed. If I can, I would like to keep the foam. I think I could add this as the new cable is being inserted but it is unclear how the foam is attached.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us


Re: Switch to LiFePO4

Arno Luijten
 

Quote:
"In the long run it is even more advisable to abandon the traditional car batterie style and take one 24 volt 400, 500 or 600Ah lithium batterie instead building it up from 12 or 24 volt sections. "

At first I had the same opinion about this. However I did think this over a bit and now I'm not so sure anymore. The point being that with a set of "autonomous" 24 volt batteries you do build in a level of redundancy. If one of the batteries/BMS-es fails you still have the others left. With one BMS. etc. you create a critical path.

I'm not saying that should be avoided at all costs but it does add food for thought into to the discussion. For me I think this technology is still not fully mature in the marine environment. One way to get around the 70-80% problem is sizing you battery system so you don't need the top 20-30% and can never charge them up to 100%. To do this you need a BMS that can (actively) balance cells at any state of charge. I only found one company that sells those at the moment. It also make LiPo even more expensive.

Cheers,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes

Mark Pitt
 

Hi Tom and Kirstin,

I also have had at least a dozen shutdowns in the 17 years that I have owned Sabbatical III and in every case there was a shutdown code, including shutdowns due to a faulty sensor.  So this is a new one for me.

Having a spare central board is a good idea, although now that our circumnavigation is done, not as crucial.  I heard that they are quite expensive.  My wife and I are only summer livesboards now.

Mark Pitt
SV Sabbatical III, SM419, Rhode Island


On Aug 13, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Hey Mark- your post caught my eye because we are hull #422....,Bill's approach (eliminate sensors one by one) is what we do on L'ORIENT. I'm troubled by the lack of a diagnostic code, though. We've probably had 15-20 genset shutdowns in the 10 years we've owned the boat; never was there no code. Since it's really easy, at some point I'd swap out the central board (if you have one). I think this is a vital spare part to have on a SM because of how much you depend on 220 v (unless you've done a major lithium conversion).

Tom and Kirstin
SM 2K 422
Hanalei Bay, Kauia


Re: Switch to LiFePO4

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hi,

In the long run it is even more advisable to abandon the traditional car batterie style and take one 24 volt 400, 500 or 600Ah lithium batterie instead building it up from 12 or 24 volt sections. 

I would prefer a central based BMS controller supervising the hole batterie at once, not packages without com port where one cell does not know what the other does. 

And you should look at the guaranteed capacity. Means this battleborn has only 90% capacity, according to their discharge graph. In my eyes thats a hint for low quality? 
A good quality batterie, with good chemistry inside, will guarantee 100 to 108% capacity.

There is no "drop in batterie" that is misleading because in the end you need to setup all the electronics, chargers, BMS aso. to lithium. That is the real change. Not in what plastic case the cells are packed.

Oliver from Vela Nautica 
A54#39 
Martinique 





On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 07:21 Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Battle  Born was not very explicit about it in the Zoom meeting last week but in the long run it is very much advisable to use the 24 volt units instead of the 12 volt units. 

Using 24 volt units makes sure you will balance cells across 24 volts instead of 2 x 12 volt leaving a potential unbalance between the two 12 volt banks.
For capacity the answer is simple, as much as you wallet can last. You will always find ways to spend the available capacity in the end, so more is better. 

For your chargers you will need to investigate if you can set them to the exact same charging parameters. That may be difficult.
Also think about your charging regime. Again Battle Born was not very explicit about this but if you boat is connected to shore power for extended periods, you should lower your float voltage to reduce the state of charge to 70-80%. This can be difficult to achieve if you have several charge sources as this means adjusting it very precisely, up to tenths of volts accurate.
I did not like the way Battle Born played down this issue but Lithium batteries do not like to be kept at 100% charge level for extended periods. Even Tesla has extended logic in their battery management to handle this issue. So when Battle Born claims it has superior cells that do not suffer from this problem, I’m skeptical.

Just my 2 cents....

Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Switch to LiFePO4

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Yes, and you should cut the altinator so that batteries are not always loaded in full during a long drive
Elja
SM Balu 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes

Thomas Kleman
 

Hey Mark- your post caught my eye because we are hull #422....,Bill's approach (eliminate sensors one by one) is what we do on L'ORIENT. I'm troubled by the lack of a diagnostic code, though. We've probably had 15-20 genset shutdowns in the 10 years we've owned the boat; never was there no code. Since it's really easy, at some point I'd swap out the central board (if you have one). I think this is a vital spare part to have on a SM because of how much you depend on 220 v (unless you've done a major lithium conversion).

Tom and Kirstin
SM 2K 422
Hanalei Bay, Kauia