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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

Barry Connor
 

Hi Wolfgang,
Have you sorted your water pump problem? When our batteries have run low we find that the pump will run longer to get up to pressure. We have had it that the pump just runs until we have put the generator on. 
Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel. 54. #17
Sailing Croatia 


On Jul 8, 2018, at 16:02, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our freshwaterpump did not stop running, when the voltage of the batterie were low.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162





Virgin Island Marinas or other options for leaving boat

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi all
This winter we would like to base Trippin in the Virgin Islands.  As I still work it's 2 weeks on and 2 weeks of December thru May and I'm looking for a safe economical option to keep Trippin
Thanks
Courtney Gorman
Trippin
54 #101 Grenada


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

I have created an album called ‘Stella Amel 54’ and have uploaded pics of the changeover switch/contactor on Stella. 


Re: Shore power issue

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Dean,
Out of curiosity, what was the problem with the shore power cord?
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <trifin@...> wrote :

Hi all,
The problem was in my shore cable. I have no clue as to why this failure happened exactly when my generator was started up. Maybe it’s related, maybe not.

I have now fixed my shore cable, and all is good once more.

On the bright side... now I know all about that changeover switch 😉

Eric, I think that is the timer unit in Alexandre’s pictures. This is not present in my 54.
I do not have the big invertor, so my changeover is just between gen and shore. Maybe that’s related to inverter?

Now, to the next task ... replace the main outhaul...

Many thanks all
Dean



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Peter Forbes
 

Dean,

Thank you - well one never ceases to learn about these wonderful boats even after a Circumnavigation I had no idea about this changeover switch.

Peter

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730

On 19 Jul 2018, at 17:00, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Peter,

The changeover switch is located in a white plastic box behind and above the generator on the port side.
The engine room cooling fan can be dropped off the ceiling very easily to get better access.

The switch is Part number LC1 D4008 by telemecanique, although companies like Schneider also make them.
It’s a DIN rail mounted unit which accepts live/neutral from shore and generator, it then routes one of those pairs to the switchboard. It favours shore power by default, until the generator is switched on, at which time it disconnects shore power and replaces with generator power.

I have some pictures of the unit I can email to you. I don’t seem to be able to attach pictures to these messages.

Cheers
Dean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Interesting coincidence if it is Dean,

Glad you find the cause!

I was just going to mention what Eric mention about the timer, should be it top of the 7 & 8th pictures
http://www.nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator_part_2.html

Hope you get to meet Dave & Leanne onboard SM2K PERIGEE, they are a very nice couple from Australia as well!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Thu, 7/19/18, trifin@soundthinking.com.au [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2018, 10:05 AM


 









Hi all,The problem was in my shore cable.
I have no clue as to why this failure happened exactly when
my generator was started up. Maybe it’s related, maybe
not.
I have now fixed
my shore cable, and all is good once more.
On the bright side... now I know all
about that changeover switch 😉
Eric, I think that is the timer unit
in Alexandre’s pictures. This is not present in my
54.I do not have the big invertor, so my
changeover is just between gen and shore. Maybe that’s
related to inverter?
Now, to the next task ... replace
the main outhaul...
Many thanks
allDean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Peter,
The changeover switch is located in a white plastic box behind and above the generator on the port side.
The engine room cooling fan can be dropped off the ceiling very easily to get better access.

The switch is Part number LC1 D4008 by telemecanique, although companies like Schneider also make them.
It’s a DIN rail mounted unit which accepts live/neutral from shore and generator, it then routes one of those pairs to the switchboard. It favours shore power by default, until the generator is switched on, at which time it disconnects shore power and replaces with generator power.

I have some pictures of the unit I can email to you. I don’t seem to be able to attach pictures to these messages.

Cheers
Dean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Dean,

What was the problem with the shore power cable, and how did you fix it?

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:46 AM Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dean,


Please tell me about the “changeover switch” where and what is that?

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel54#035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730

On 19 Jul 2018, at 16:05, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

The problem was in my shore cable. I have no clue as to why this failure happened exactly when my generator was started up. Maybe it’s related, maybe not.

I have now fixed my shore cable, and all is good once more.

On the bright side... now I know all about that changeover switch 😉

Eric, I think that is the timer unit in Alexandre’s pictures. This is not present in my 54.
I do not have the big invertor, so my changeover is just between gen and shore. Maybe that’s related to inverter?

Now, to the next task ... replace the main outhaul...

Many thanks all
Dean



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Peter Forbes
 

Dean,

Please tell me about the “changeover switch” where and what is that?

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel54#035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730

On 19 Jul 2018, at 16:05, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

The problem was in my shore cable. I have no clue as to why this failure happened exactly when my generator was started up. Maybe it’s related, maybe not.

I have now fixed my shore cable, and all is good once more.

On the bright side... now I know all about that changeover switch 😉

Eric, I think that is the timer unit in Alexandre’s pictures. This is not present in my 54.
I do not have the big invertor, so my changeover is just between gen and shore. Maybe that’s related to inverter?

Now, to the next task ... replace the main outhaul...

Many thanks all
Dean



Aircon climma

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hello fellow Amel owners, one of my aircon units is faulty. When it turns on there is a chattering on the relay switch that turns off/on the compressor. I have tested the compressor by bypassing the relay and it works fine. So I replaced the relay switch for a new one but it still chatters. I now suspect the pc board that controls the cycling on and off.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

Is it something simple?

I called the UK rep for Climma who say the the PC board is no longer available and one must buy a whole new control box (£700) which is costly and probably not worth it. I am hesitant to throw money at a twelve year old AC unit!

Nick on Amelia in the Azores
#019 Amel 54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car

Patrick McAneny
 

Thanks Eric, it went well and fast using a router. Didn't do much for the bit ,probably trash that. Problem now is getting the SS nipple unscrewed from the end of the car, so that I can slide out the shaft to replace the broken springs. The one side came unscrewed easily , port side is seized , SS. and Aluminum ,not good.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car

 
Pat,
Nice photos, nice work.
Thank You,
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogrou ps.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car
 
 
Mark, My wife just added the pics of the genoa track cut out to the photos in the Shenanigan photo file . Diane put a link in a post yesterday to the pics. Hope this helps,any questions contact me.
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2018 11:43 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car [1 Attachment]
 
[Attachment(s) from mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] included below]
Pat,
 
No problem.  See the attached picture for how to attach a picture (or other file) when posting using a PC on the Yahoo Groups interface.  I hope that helps.
 
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

Hi all,
The problem was in my shore cable. I have no clue as to why this failure happened exactly when my generator was started up. Maybe it’s related, maybe not.

I have now fixed my shore cable, and all is good once more.

On the bright side... now I know all about that changeover switch 😉

Eric, I think that is the timer unit in Alexandre’s pictures. This is not present in my 54.
I do not have the big invertor, so my changeover is just between gen and shore. Maybe that’s related to inverter?

Now, to the next task ... replace the main outhaul...

Many thanks all
Dean



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car

eric freedman
 

Pat,

Nice photos, nice work.

Thank You,

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car

 

 

Mark, My wife just added the pics of the genoa track cut out to the photos in the Shenanigan photo file . Diane put a link in a post yesterday to the pics. Hope this helps,any questions contact me.

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2018 11:43 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car [1 Attachment]

 

[Attachment(s) from mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Pat,

 

No problem.  See the attached picture for how to attach a picture (or other file) when posting using a PC on the Yahoo Groups interface.  I hope that helps.

 

Mark McGovern

SM #440 Cara

Deale, MD USA

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

eric freedman
 

HI,

On Kimberlite, there is also a time delay switch in the transfer box  that “waits” a few seconds before energizing the transfer relay.

It is similar to the ones in the climma AC units.That might be your problem.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

 

 

The switch has checked out perfectly.  The shore power (quai) contractors are normally closed, and the generator contactors are normally open.  when the generator starts, the shore contactors are disconnected and the generator contactors are connected. 

 

 With nothing connected, the shore power contactors are indeed closed, so the fault is not here. 

 

I have now made a continuity test from the shore power lead plug, to the contactors in this box. The live (active) connection is showing 180ohms! (The neutral less than 1).

 

Now, next thing to test, the shore power cable ...  geez, it wasn’t even touched since Monday !

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

The switch has checked out perfectly.  The shore power (quai) contractors are normally closed, and the generator contactors are normally open.  when the generator starts, the shore contactors are disconnected and the generator contactors are connected. 

 With nothing connected, the shore power contactors are indeed closed, so the fault is not here. 

I have now made a continuity test from the shore power lead plug, to the contactors in this box. The live (active) connection is showing 180ohms! (The neutral less than 1).

Now, next thing to test, the shore power cable ...  geez, it wasn’t even touched since Monday !


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

Ok, inside there is a changeover switch, so we are in the right place :-)

It’s a Telemecanique LCI D40008 ... so now I will find the specs and carry out some tests ...

Thanks Alexandre and Mark.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I don’t know what to look for… something burn?
May be it is a magnet that moves? I wish Olivier would enlight us with his knowledge !!!

(Don’t forget to disconnect the shore power)

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 7/19/18, trifin@soundthinking.com.au [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2018, 7:55 AM


 









Hi Alexandre and Mark,Thank you for that
pointer... I have found the box on the port side of the
engine room and I will take a look inside now.
 Is there anything to observe on
the unit which would show me it is not
operating?
CheersDean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Alexandre and Mark,
Thank you for that pointer... I have found the box on the port side of the engine room and I will take a look inside now.

 Is there anything to observe on the unit which would show me it is not operating?

Cheers
Dean




Re: Shore power issue

mfmcgovern@...
 

Dean,

We had that same switch fail in a similar fashion on our Super Maramu.  On the SM, this changeover switch is located in the engine room on the port side right outboard of the generator.  It is in a gray electrical box labelled "Quai-GE" and "220 Volts" mounted on a wood board.  See the attached picture (courtesy of Bill Rouse).  I do not know if it is the same switch or is mounted in the same location on the 54.  

We ended up replacing the auto-transfer switch with this manual break-before-make switch:  https://www.bluesea.com/products/8357/AC_Rotary_Switch_Panel_65_Ampere_2_positions_%2B_OFF_2_Pole

It is a much more robust switch but it does require that you actually go into the engine room to switch from Shore Power to Generator Power.  However, that is fairly infrequent and it has been pointed out to me that is not such a bad thing as I should be checking the oil before starting the generator anyway.  

Hope this helps.

Mark McGovern
SM 440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Dean,

First of all sorry for your mishap, but congratulation for the maintenance you did on the generator!

On my SM2K, cleaning well the raw water pump, eliminated the faster than expected destruction of the impellers:
http://www.nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Also you should look at what Perigee did, which is adding a filter which will catch the blade of the impeller.
I was going to installed a “Y” Valve to catch the blades, but I think Perigee system is far better.

Regarding the change over, yes it worked as expected (over riding the shore power), but I don’t know why it got stuck…
I would try shutting down all 220 volt system to see if it switch back.
I think it is the following on the SM2K, and I would suspect it is similar looking on the 54, but could be wrong:
http://www.nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator_part_2.html
6th picture, the box on the left where the
7, 8, 9, 10th pictures where it says “Quai” and “Onduleur”

Good luck and keep us posted of your finding.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Thu, 7/19/18, trifin@soundthinking.com.au [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2018, 6:41 AM


 









Hi,Today’s job was to
replace the impeller in my generator.  It was shredded, so
I opened up the heat exchanger to clean it too, it was
gunged up badly, so after cleaning all that I had a look at
the exhaust elbow too, and cleaned that out as well as the
muffler. Great. Put everything back together, and started
the genny to test.  Generator worked fine but ...
I forgot when starting the genny we were
still running some things on shore power.  The genny seemed
to override shore power (as it should I believe), however,
on shutting down the generator, the shore power no longer
works.I’ve checked the dock supply and the stern
breaker - both good. But I get no light on the 240v
panel.
I’m thinking the
changeover switch has somehow stuck, but why, where is it,
how to reset it ?Or have I smoked the changeover
switch by firing up the genny while shore power is
running?So many questions!
Thoughts ?
Many thanksDeanSY
StellaAMEL 54 #154

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