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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Peter,
The changeover switch is located in a white plastic box behind and above the generator on the port side.
The engine room cooling fan can be dropped off the ceiling very easily to get better access.

The switch is Part number LC1 D4008 by telemecanique, although companies like Schneider also make them.
It’s a DIN rail mounted unit which accepts live/neutral from shore and generator, it then routes one of those pairs to the switchboard. It favours shore power by default, until the generator is switched on, at which time it disconnects shore power and replaces with generator power.

I have some pictures of the unit I can email to you. I don’t seem to be able to attach pictures to these messages.

Cheers
Dean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Dean,

What was the problem with the shore power cable, and how did you fix it?

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:46 AM Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dean,


Please tell me about the “changeover switch” where and what is that?

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel54#035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730

On 19 Jul 2018, at 16:05, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

The problem was in my shore cable. I have no clue as to why this failure happened exactly when my generator was started up. Maybe it’s related, maybe not.

I have now fixed my shore cable, and all is good once more.

On the bright side... now I know all about that changeover switch 😉

Eric, I think that is the timer unit in Alexandre’s pictures. This is not present in my 54.
I do not have the big invertor, so my changeover is just between gen and shore. Maybe that’s related to inverter?

Now, to the next task ... replace the main outhaul...

Many thanks all
Dean



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Peter Forbes
 

Dean,

Please tell me about the “changeover switch” where and what is that?

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel54#035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730

On 19 Jul 2018, at 16:05, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

The problem was in my shore cable. I have no clue as to why this failure happened exactly when my generator was started up. Maybe it’s related, maybe not.

I have now fixed my shore cable, and all is good once more.

On the bright side... now I know all about that changeover switch 😉

Eric, I think that is the timer unit in Alexandre’s pictures. This is not present in my 54.
I do not have the big invertor, so my changeover is just between gen and shore. Maybe that’s related to inverter?

Now, to the next task ... replace the main outhaul...

Many thanks all
Dean



Aircon climma

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hello fellow Amel owners, one of my aircon units is faulty. When it turns on there is a chattering on the relay switch that turns off/on the compressor. I have tested the compressor by bypassing the relay and it works fine. So I replaced the relay switch for a new one but it still chatters. I now suspect the pc board that controls the cycling on and off.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

Is it something simple?

I called the UK rep for Climma who say the the PC board is no longer available and one must buy a whole new control box (£700) which is costly and probably not worth it. I am hesitant to throw money at a twelve year old AC unit!

Nick on Amelia in the Azores
#019 Amel 54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car

Patrick McAneny
 

Thanks Eric, it went well and fast using a router. Didn't do much for the bit ,probably trash that. Problem now is getting the SS nipple unscrewed from the end of the car, so that I can slide out the shaft to replace the broken springs. The one side came unscrewed easily , port side is seized , SS. and Aluminum ,not good.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car

 
Pat,
Nice photos, nice work.
Thank You,
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogrou ps.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car
 
 
Mark, My wife just added the pics of the genoa track cut out to the photos in the Shenanigan photo file . Diane put a link in a post yesterday to the pics. Hope this helps,any questions contact me.
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2018 11:43 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car [1 Attachment]
 
[Attachment(s) from mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] included below]
Pat,
 
No problem.  See the attached picture for how to attach a picture (or other file) when posting using a PC on the Yahoo Groups interface.  I hope that helps.
 
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

Hi all,
The problem was in my shore cable. I have no clue as to why this failure happened exactly when my generator was started up. Maybe it’s related, maybe not.

I have now fixed my shore cable, and all is good once more.

On the bright side... now I know all about that changeover switch 😉

Eric, I think that is the timer unit in Alexandre’s pictures. This is not present in my 54.
I do not have the big invertor, so my changeover is just between gen and shore. Maybe that’s related to inverter?

Now, to the next task ... replace the main outhaul...

Many thanks all
Dean



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car

eric freedman
 

Pat,

Nice photos, nice work.

Thank You,

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car

 

 

Mark, My wife just added the pics of the genoa track cut out to the photos in the Shenanigan photo file . Diane put a link in a post yesterday to the pics. Hope this helps,any questions contact me.

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2018 11:43 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing Genoa car [1 Attachment]

 

[Attachment(s) from mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Pat,

 

No problem.  See the attached picture for how to attach a picture (or other file) when posting using a PC on the Yahoo Groups interface.  I hope that helps.

 

Mark McGovern

SM #440 Cara

Deale, MD USA

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

eric freedman
 

HI,

On Kimberlite, there is also a time delay switch in the transfer box  that “waits” a few seconds before energizing the transfer relay.

It is similar to the ones in the climma AC units.That might be your problem.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

 

 

The switch has checked out perfectly.  The shore power (quai) contractors are normally closed, and the generator contactors are normally open.  when the generator starts, the shore contactors are disconnected and the generator contactors are connected. 

 

 With nothing connected, the shore power contactors are indeed closed, so the fault is not here. 

 

I have now made a continuity test from the shore power lead plug, to the contactors in this box. The live (active) connection is showing 180ohms! (The neutral less than 1).

 

Now, next thing to test, the shore power cable ...  geez, it wasn’t even touched since Monday !

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

The switch has checked out perfectly.  The shore power (quai) contractors are normally closed, and the generator contactors are normally open.  when the generator starts, the shore contactors are disconnected and the generator contactors are connected. 

 With nothing connected, the shore power contactors are indeed closed, so the fault is not here. 

I have now made a continuity test from the shore power lead plug, to the contactors in this box. The live (active) connection is showing 180ohms! (The neutral less than 1).

Now, next thing to test, the shore power cable ...  geez, it wasn’t even touched since Monday !


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

Ok, inside there is a changeover switch, so we are in the right place :-)

It’s a Telemecanique LCI D40008 ... so now I will find the specs and carry out some tests ...

Thanks Alexandre and Mark.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I don’t know what to look for… something burn?
May be it is a magnet that moves? I wish Olivier would enlight us with his knowledge !!!

(Don’t forget to disconnect the shore power)

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 7/19/18, trifin@soundthinking.com.au [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2018, 7:55 AM


 









Hi Alexandre and Mark,Thank you for that
pointer... I have found the box on the port side of the
engine room and I will take a look inside now.
 Is there anything to observe on
the unit which would show me it is not
operating?
CheersDean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Alexandre and Mark,
Thank you for that pointer... I have found the box on the port side of the engine room and I will take a look inside now.

 Is there anything to observe on the unit which would show me it is not operating?

Cheers
Dean




Re: Shore power issue

mfmcgovern@...
 

Dean,

We had that same switch fail in a similar fashion on our Super Maramu.  On the SM, this changeover switch is located in the engine room on the port side right outboard of the generator.  It is in a gray electrical box labelled "Quai-GE" and "220 Volts" mounted on a wood board.  See the attached picture (courtesy of Bill Rouse).  I do not know if it is the same switch or is mounted in the same location on the 54.  

We ended up replacing the auto-transfer switch with this manual break-before-make switch:  https://www.bluesea.com/products/8357/AC_Rotary_Switch_Panel_65_Ampere_2_positions_%2B_OFF_2_Pole

It is a much more robust switch but it does require that you actually go into the engine room to switch from Shore Power to Generator Power.  However, that is fairly infrequent and it has been pointed out to me that is not such a bad thing as I should be checking the oil before starting the generator anyway.  

Hope this helps.

Mark McGovern
SM 440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Dean,

First of all sorry for your mishap, but congratulation for the maintenance you did on the generator!

On my SM2K, cleaning well the raw water pump, eliminated the faster than expected destruction of the impellers:
http://www.nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Also you should look at what Perigee did, which is adding a filter which will catch the blade of the impeller.
I was going to installed a “Y” Valve to catch the blades, but I think Perigee system is far better.

Regarding the change over, yes it worked as expected (over riding the shore power), but I don’t know why it got stuck…
I would try shutting down all 220 volt system to see if it switch back.
I think it is the following on the SM2K, and I would suspect it is similar looking on the 54, but could be wrong:
http://www.nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator_part_2.html
6th picture, the box on the left where the
7, 8, 9, 10th pictures where it says “Quai” and “Onduleur”

Good luck and keep us posted of your finding.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Thu, 7/19/18, trifin@soundthinking.com.au [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power issue
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2018, 6:41 AM


 









Hi,Today’s job was to
replace the impeller in my generator.  It was shredded, so
I opened up the heat exchanger to clean it too, it was
gunged up badly, so after cleaning all that I had a look at
the exhaust elbow too, and cleaned that out as well as the
muffler. Great. Put everything back together, and started
the genny to test.  Generator worked fine but ...
I forgot when starting the genny we were
still running some things on shore power.  The genny seemed
to override shore power (as it should I believe), however,
on shutting down the generator, the shore power no longer
works.I’ve checked the dock supply and the stern
breaker - both good. But I get no light on the 240v
panel.
I’m thinking the
changeover switch has somehow stuck, but why, where is it,
how to reset it ?Or have I smoked the changeover
switch by firing up the genny while shore power is
running?So many questions!
Thoughts ?
Many thanksDeanSY
StellaAMEL 54 #154


Shore power issue

Dean Gillies
 

Hi,

Today’s job was to replace the impeller in my generator.  It was shredded, so I opened up the heat exchanger to clean it too, it was gunged up badly, so after cleaning all that I had a look at the exhaust elbow too, and cleaned that out as well as the muffler. Great. Put everything back together, and started the genny to test.  Generator worked fine but ...


I forgot when starting the genny we were still running some things on shore power.  The genny seemed to override shore power (as it should I believe), however, on shutting down the generator, the shore power no longer works.

I’ve checked the dock supply and the stern breaker - both good. But I get no light on the 240v panel.


I’m thinking the changeover switch has somehow stuck, but why, where is it, how to reset it ?

Or have I smoked the changeover switch by firing up the genny while shore power is running?

So many questions!


Thoughts ?


Many thanks

Dean

SY Stella

AMEL 54 #154



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster On/Off Switch Replacement

Craig Briggs
 

Kent,
That joystick is IDEC HW1MF0202-20 available on-line from Newark element 14 company for $67.99.
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

Hey Kent,
I did mine 4-5 years ago - found a good replacement that has lasted and, frankly, looks a bit more modern than the original. I'll look for the details and let you know.
Craig SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Thanks Duane.
Did you look for a replacement for the bow thruster R/L toggle switch?  Anyone else have a replacement part for it?
Thanks


Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: Bow Thruster On/Off Switch Replacement

Duane Siegfri
 

Hi Craig,

I would be interested in the R/L switch as well.  Thanks for looking it up!

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks again Pat.

Steve


On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:26 AM Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve, I mailed the template today and added a few more pis into the Shenanigans photo file, there were more but too blurry to add. If you have any questions or want pics of anything in particular ,let me know.

Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
Thanks for going to all the hassle to get this info to me. I just got an answer from Maude this morning, they have the cables, and I asked her to ship them ASAP. In case you ever decide to change your cables, they are 335 euros plus shipping. After my experience, if you ever start to hear any noise or experience friction in the steering, I'd replace the racks, pinion, and cables all together.  After having taken ours apart twice, and still one to go, it is not hard once you have solved a few mysteries.

If you guys ever decide on a Hawaii vacation while we are still here, you would be welcome to stay on our boat which we keep in a very nice resort marina on West Oahu. Liz and I stay at at my parents home most of the week, and a couple of nights a week on the boat to maintain our sanity. Both my parents are in there 90's, and are requiring about as much maintenance as our old boats do. We hope to be on our way to French Polynesia in March 2019, but will have to see how things go with my folks.

Steve

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 12:41 PM Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Steve, I just made a template the best I could with all the bolts , it is pretty good and with the additional pics I took ,it should help. I will mail it off to you and email the pics when my wife gets home. Its been six years since the install , I remember it was a little tricky establishing where to position the motors mount. I gave a measurement in one of the pics as a starting point. The steering cables stay in the same hole in the quadrant ,just drill a hole in the extension arm directly above it . You can see that I fiber glassed in a 11/2" wood block to pack out the bulkhead as well as aft of the bulkhead to also add strength . If the arm is positioned so that the rudder is on center line and the linear drive is 1/2 way extended than I would think that should be where the motor is mounted . You need to make sure you have complete travel of course. I can't remember how I determined the motor mount position, it took a little experimenting. If the rudder is hard to starboard and the drive fully extended and you marked the mount position, and then moved the rudder hard to port with the L/D fully retracted and marked that , the correct position would be half way between the marks, I would think. Just play with it before drilling the holes for the mounting. Also sending pic of the hatch I installed shortly after buying the boat , best thing I ever did . Great amount of air ,makes a hot aft cabin cool. They should have come with a hatch and do now.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
Steve, I am glad you have the same layout. No worries about the mailing ,my treat. We'll get everything on the way to you asap.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
Thanks Pat...it is greatly appreciated. We have modified our aft stateroom a bit by removing the fiberglass liners on both sides, building the berth on the port side out to King size at the head and queen at the foot, and adding new cabinetry on the stbd side. With that said, the area under the port berth where the drive will go, is not changed in any way that will cause an issue. 

I’ll give you my Hawaii address below, and please let me know if I can send you a check or do a pay pal to reimburse you for mailing cost..... 

Aloha,

Steve

Steve Davis
95-464 Kaelo Place
Mililani, Hawaii 96789

Cell: 510-908-1835

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Steve, It is a pretty straight forward solution ,uses no usable space and does not require cutting out any structural components . Remember you need a 24 v linear drive with the long arm. You will also want to buy an A/B switch , in order to switch back and forth between the rotary and linear drive. I will send photo of that as well.I will very soon take many more photos and measurements for you . Do you have the same layout as I do, with the berth to port ? I will try to make a template of the extension arm . Would you have an address , I could mail it to you? By the way, congratulations on making a long passage and dealing well through your steering issue. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
Patrick, I have looked at the photo section, and your technique, seems the most simple of the 2 different methods I’ve seen this done with an older SM. We are definitely going to do the job with your method, but not until we get the steering fixed. Any dimensions or template for the quadrant extension would save me a lot of time and energy trying to re-invent the wheel. Since I have the steering apart now, I may start to do some of the legwork in the near future. Whenever you have to time, I’d greatly appreciate it if you can send me what you have. 

Thanks,

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Steve, Rather than fabricating a new quadrant , which would have been necessary had we attempted to replicate Amels original installation , I only had to fabricate an extension arm and weld it to the existing quadrant .  The design and installation on my boat went very smoothly , easy to do and has proven to work well for thousands of miles . After looking at your options ,if you chose to do an installation such as I did , I will be glad to supply you with more pictures and measurements , perhaps even a template of the extension arm.. Have you looked at the photo section , I just did and there is a couple of pics that shows clearly what I did . Let me know if you go this route, and I will help in any way I can. 
Good Luck,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
 Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your response regarding our steering. We have it on our very long list while in Hawaii this year to add a linear drive. Do you have any specs on how you modified the quadrant on the drive attachment side?  Any info you have on this would be a big help in figuring out how to make the modification.

If you want to email me directly, try flyboyscd at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster On/Off Switch Replacement

Craig Briggs
 

Hey Kent,
I did mine 4-5 years ago - found a good replacement that has lasted and, frankly, looks a bit more modern than the original. I'll look for the details and let you know.
Craig SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Thanks Duane.
Did you look for a replacement for the bow thruster R/L toggle switch?  Anyone else have a replacement part for it?
Thanks


Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster On/Off Switch Replacement

karkauai
 

Thanks Duane.
Did you look for a replacement for the bow thruster R/L toggle switch?  Anyone else have a replacement part for it?
Thanks


Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

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