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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

Ryan Meador
 

I think this is a fascinating thread.  I'm getting all kinds of new ideas, and I'm reconsidering some of the storage decisions I've made.  Here's what we do:

  • The cabinet aft of the stove contains plates, bowls, and cups
  • The cabinet forward of the stove contains spices on the top shelf (on a lazy susan... somehow it has yet to get messed up due to waves or heeling) and random snacks/teabags/coffee/condiments on the bottom shelf
  • In-counter storage (is there a name for this?) aft of the stove holds pasta, rice, beans, and many canned goods.  Also some lesser-used kitchen gadgets such as the pasta strainer
  • In-counter storage forward of the stove is food storage containers/bags, aluminum foil, parchment paper, ramen noodles, some canned goods
  • Our SM has the washing machine close to the stove (rather than at the inboard end of the galley as in the 2000).  We store cutting boards in the space above it.
  • The left (outboard) drawer contains silverware, the right drawer contains cooking utensils and knives.  I'd love to swap the uses of these, but the dividers seem to be integral to the drawers.
  • The storage beneath the left drawer is for pots and pans
  • The storage beneath the right drawer is the liquor locker, and like Elaine, we have considered removing it to make more useful storage, but we are abiding by the 1 year rule (and I need a place to put the bottles anyways... under the table isn't enough)
  • Our under-sink dishwasher was removed by the previous owner, so that area stores cleaning supplies, including the vacuum cleaner.
  • The right hand (outboard) under-sink storage cabinet houses the trash bin, and deeper inside we put paper bags for recyclables.  I haven't found a use for the bilge storage under this space because it's so hard to get to.
  • Root vegetables go in a bin in the bilge just forward of the fridge
  • The bilge at the foot of the companionway steps houses canned goods
  • Foul weather boots go in the bilge beneath the companionway stairs. I did this because I've gotten some water in this area a few times, and the boots are waterproof.
  • The pressure cooker (Instant Pot) goes in the next-forward bilge compartment.  It fits just about perfectly because this compartment is smaller than most.
  • The cabinets on the port side behind the table closest to the galley hold additional canned goods, paper goods, and the clothes washing detergent (it's reachable over the counter from the washing machine area)
  • The drawers forward of the nav station hold the Amel-branded dishes.  This is prime real estate, and we hardly use these dishes, but they seem designed to fit this space so I leave them there.  Maybe I should move them.
  • The two drawers beneath the starboard settee are full of tools
  • The aft cabinets behind the starboard settee are full of spare parts.. but after reading this thread, I think I might swap the contents of these cabinets with their counterparts on the port side.  We need the food and paper goods more often than the spare parts.
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:36 AM john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Elaine, congratulations on your new Amel.  Colleen is also 5ft and uses rubber kitchen tongs to reach items stored at the bottom of the corner galley lockers.  We have two of these as the dishwasher is located under the sink on our model.  Colleen stores pots and pans in one cabinet under the forward counter top, the other cabinet is set up as a liquor and glass storage space(is this the bottle rack you are contemplating removing?) which we so far have let as it was.  We store frequently "needed" food items like bags of chips and snacks in the cabinets over the starboard side sofa and less frequently needed items on the port side.   One owner I spoke to recently, but cannot recall who said he stores spare parts on the port side of the salon and spread food storage out to more accessible cabinets around the boat.    We store heavy items, beer, wine, soft drinks, canned food....under the floor in the salon.


One thing that took Colleen a while to wrap her mind around was that "kitchen stuff" doesn't all need to be stored in the galley as one would go in a proper house, nor does all food have to be stored in one location.  There is a ton of storage throughout the vessel and it helps to spread things out a bit to make access easier.  

Oh and make a list of where you put things.   It will pay off.  

                   Regards,   John Clark
SV Annie SM#37
Le Marin, Martinique


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Well,my wife would be the expert but here's what I've learned through keen observations and the occasional "honey, where do we keep the .....?"

At 5'2" she has a pretty good challenge with the deep cabinets as well.  We do own a pair of 'reaching-thingies" .. can grabber claws . that help manage that..  Mostly, the cabinets are full of seldom used things including the Soda Stream, electric kettle and vacuum sealer (only out at dock) and 'back-up" canned goods.
Our boat (#209) doesn't have a dishwasher so the extra cupboard is full of the zip-loc bags, foils, parchment, and the lesser used spices in a portable rack. the cupboard under the sink has the pressure cooker and some other nesting pots and pans.

Virtually all of the silverware and cutlery are in the two drawers under the countertop .. with the exception of the plastic and nylon stuff (spatulas, ladles, stirring spoons, tongs) which are held in "vases" in the rack above the fridge.

All our dishware is kept in the two aft cabinets, stbd side, in the salon.  It stacks nicely (all melamine) and since it's not metal can safely live close to the electronics.

All the foodstuffs basically are in the bilges, in their own bins (in case of leakage). Keeps the weight of canned goods low.

We have the two big drawers beneath the salon settee; one has mixing bowls and other 'big' vessels and the other has my "geek" stuff like the printer and scanner. The three drawers just fwd of the nav station, which I think were originally Amel's plan for dishes, are full of camera gear, extra aa, c and d cell batteries, some first aid supplies (not a full kit) and miscellaneous office supplies from sticky notes to playing cards. I'm sure everybody comes into their own plan; I know ours has evolved quite a bit as we figured out what got used most.

Nevertheless, there are still the times when my 6'2" comes in handy to reach the bottom of that deep locker for cleaning or retrieving he errant can of beets :)

Gary W.
s/v Adagio SM209
Malta



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 

 Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your response regarding our steering. We have it on our very long list while in Hawaii this year to add a linear drive. Do you have any specs on how you modified the quadrant on the drive attachment side?  Any info you have on this would be a big help in figuring out how to make the modification.

If you want to email me directly, try flyboyscd at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 

Hello Olivier,

Thank you so much for your response regarding our steering problems. We have owned our SM for a little over 4 years, and sailed her 15,000 miles, and believe her to be around the 75,000 mile mark in her life, but are not sure of this number. We had no idea the steering cables may have been changed on the boat, but having cables 2 feet short may have contributed to our steering failure. We emailed Maude last Thursday and again just now regarding availability of new cables, but have not heard back from her as yet. Because our racks are new, we feel hopeful new cables will solve all our steering problems. We have it on our list to install a linear drive while in Hawaii this year, and any information you have on how to accomplish this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again for your help.

Warm Regards,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii


On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 10:55 AM Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Steve,

I just read your story. Congratulations for sailing 1200 nm with the emergency tiller.

The original ULTRAFLEX cables are M61 FT25, 25 feet. Yours seem to be 23 feet long which is too short (even seems incredibly short...), probably making too tight curves. Moreover, M61 is the diameter (6.1mm) of the internal cable, if you have M41, this is too small. These cables may have been replaced already with the wrong type. What is the outside diameter of your cables including sheath?
I think one of your cable is damaged and prevents the rod to come fully out (which can also happen with an M61 cable).
You should order a new pair of cables from AMEL. Do you know how many nm ALOHA made so far?

Did you try to move the cables in their sheath while they are not connected (at both ends)? Did you notice any difference between both (more resistancein one of them)?

When I was working at AMEL, we always advised the owners of a damaged steering system to replace the whole thing, rack and pinion + cables.

You all understand that with the rotary pilot (chain at wheel) only, the steering wheel system is more subject to wear than if you have a linear drive at the quadrant. For the older Super Maramus, it is possible to install a linear drive without too much work if you install it under the port double berth, working front to aft (unlike the SM 2000 where it moves sideways).

Good luck.



On Monday, July 16, 2018, 2:14:30 AM GMT+2, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 


Bill,

Thanks for checking, as every scrap of information is helpful at this point. I am curious as to why you new cables would be 2 feet longer than the originals.

Steve

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 12:33 PM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


I have been scrolling through the previous owner’s  blog, and can’t find exactly when the cables were replaced.  I’ll guess and say about 2012.  They had trouble with the steering being very stiff, and tracked it down to the cables.  I don’t remember them having any special difficulties installing the new cables.

I have not dug into the details of the differences between the various ultraflex systems, other than to see that it is a complex mix of current, legacy, and obsolete systems!

Bill Kinney
Sm 160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Steve,

I just read your story. Congratulations for sailing 1200 nm with the emergency tiller.

The original ULTRAFLEX cables are M61 FT25, 25 feet. Yours seem to be 23 feet long which is too short (even seems incredibly short...), probably making too tight curves. Moreover, M61 is the diameter (6.1mm) of the internal cable, if you have M41, this is too small. These cables may have been replaced already with the wrong type. What is the outside diameter of your cables including sheath?
I think one of your cable is damaged and prevents the rod to come fully out (which can also happen with an M61 cable).
You should order a new pair of cables from AMEL. Do you know how many nm ALOHA made so far?

Did you try to move the cables in their sheath while they are not connected (at both ends)? Did you notice any difference between both (more resistancein one of them)?

When I was working at AMEL, we always advised the owners of a damaged steering system to replace the whole thing, rack and pinion + cables.

You all understand that with the rotary pilot (chain at wheel) only, the steering wheel system is more subject to wear than if you have a linear drive at the quadrant. For the older Super Maramus, it is possible to install a linear drive without too much work if you install it under the port double berth, working front to aft (unlike the SM 2000 where it moves sideways).

Good luck.



On Monday, July 16, 2018, 2:14:30 AM GMT+2, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 


Bill,

Thanks for checking, as every scrap of information is helpful at this point. I am curious as to why you new cables would be 2 feet longer than the originals.

Steve

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 12:33 PM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


I have been scrolling through the previous owner’s  blog, and can’t find exactly when the cables were replaced.  I’ll guess and say about 2012.  They had trouble with the steering being very stiff, and tracked it down to the cables.  I don’t remember them having any special difficulties installing the new cables.

I have not dug into the details of the differences between the various ultraflex systems, other than to see that it is a complex mix of current, legacy, and obsolete systems!

Bill Kinney
Sm 160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM

Mark Erdos
 

Gary,

 

It is really odd someone would think that installation made sense.

 

If you turn the unit around, you should find the fan cover rotates allowing  the air duct to point either way. It will pretty easy to re-connect the air duct without a lot of re-plumbing. Because the exhaust from the fan rotates, I don’t think they made left or right versions of the units.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 7:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM

 

 

Well, here's a question I just need to bounce around.  I need to see if the aft air conditioner on my SM is mounted correctly, or was installed "backwards".  I talked to Bill R. about it, and I am pretty sure I have exactly the right answer, but unfortunately that answer comes with no solution.

 

I have the aft air conditioner out and sitting in the head.  The way it was installed put the air input/cooling fins outboard, kind of against the hull and it is impossible to clean them without detaching the whole unit and sliding it out for access (meaning pulling out the head). 

 

Looking over the situation, it would be pretty easy to re-plumb it and reverse the orientation so that the cooling fins were facing inboard into the head. ~but~ , the exhaust elbow for the blower fan does not appear to be in any way movable as far as I can see.  Makes me wonder if there were right-hand/left-hand versions of the eh-9 compact, or if others might have a similar orientation with their units.

 

I'm not sure I want to 'solve' the problem if it's normal.

 

Could someone else with a hull number close (we are 209) take a quick look see and let me know how your unit is oriented? 

 

Thanks,

 

Gary W.

SM 209, "Adagio"

Malta

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Gary,

May be it will help, here is the illustrations for my Aft and Forward Air Conditioning.
http://www.nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh.html
The section referring to the Aft units are mentioned.
Let us know what you find!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Mon, 7/16/18, John Clark john.biohead@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 16, 2018, 6:38 AM


 









Hi Gary,   we still have
the original Climma unit aft, it is installed with fins
facing inboard, so that the fan draws air from the area
behind the head and blows into duct work facing
aft.                         
 John
SV Annie SM
37Le Marin
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at
7:20 AM, gary@sunshineduo.us
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Well, here's a question I just need to
bounce around.  I need to see if the aft air conditioner on
my SM is mounted correctly, or was installed
"backwards".  I talked to Bill R. about it, and I
am pretty sure I have exactly the right answer, but
unfortunately that answer comes with no
solution.
I have the
aft air conditioner out and sitting in the head.  The way
it was installed put the air input/cooling fins outboard,
kind of against the hull and it is impossible to clean them
without detaching the whole unit and sliding it out for
access (meaning pulling out the head). 

Looking
over the situation, it would be pretty easy to re-plumb it
and reverse the orientation so that the cooling fins were
facing inboard into the head. ~but~ , the exhaust elbow for
the blower fan does not appear to be in any way movable as
far as I can see.  Makes me wonder if there were
right-hand/left-hand versions of the eh-9 compact, or if
others might have a similar orientation with their
units.
I'm not
sure I want to 'solve' the problem if it's
normal.
Could someone
else with a hull number close (we are 209) take a quick look
see and let me know how your unit is oriented? 

Thanks,
Gary W.SM 209,
"Adagio"Malta


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM

John Clark
 

Hi Gary,
   we still have the original Climma unit aft, it is installed with fins facing inboard, so that the fan draws air from the area behind the head and blows into duct work facing aft.  
                         John

SV Annie SM 37
Le Marin

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:20 AM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Well, here's a question I just need to bounce around.  I need to see if the aft air conditioner on my SM is mounted correctly, or was installed "backwards".  I talked to Bill R. about it, and I am pretty sure I have exactly the right answer, but unfortunately that answer comes with no solution.

I have the aft air conditioner out and sitting in the head.  The way it was installed put the air input/cooling fins outboard, kind of against the hull and it is impossible to clean them without detaching the whole unit and sliding it out for access (meaning pulling out the head). 

Looking over the situation, it would be pretty easy to re-plumb it and reverse the orientation so that the cooling fins were facing inboard into the head. ~but~ , the exhaust elbow for the blower fan does not appear to be in any way movable as far as I can see.  Makes me wonder if there were right-hand/left-hand versions of the eh-9 compact, or if others might have a similar orientation with their units.

I'm not sure I want to 'solve' the problem if it's normal.

Could someone else with a hull number close (we are 209) take a quick look see and let me know how your unit is oriented? 

Thanks,

Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"
Malta




Re: Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

John Clark
 

Hi Elaine, congratulations on your new Amel.  Colleen is also 5ft and uses rubber kitchen tongs to reach items stored at the bottom of the corner galley lockers.  We have two of these as the dishwasher is located under the sink on our model.  Colleen stores pots and pans in one cabinet under the forward counter top, the other cabinet is set up as a liquor and glass storage space(is this the bottle rack you are contemplating removing?) which we so far have let as it was.  We store frequently "needed" food items like bags of chips and snacks in the cabinets over the starboard side sofa and less frequently needed items on the port side.   One owner I spoke to recently, but cannot recall who said he stores spare parts on the port side of the salon and spread food storage out to more accessible cabinets around the boat.    We store heavy items, beer, wine, soft drinks, canned food....under the floor in the salon.

One thing that took Colleen a while to wrap her mind around was that "kitchen stuff" doesn't all need to be stored in the galley as one would go in a proper house, nor does all food have to be stored in one location.  There is a ton of storage throughout the vessel and it helps to spread things out a bit to make access easier.  

Oh and make a list of where you put things.   It will pay off.  

                   Regards,   John Clark
SV Annie SM#37
Le Marin, Martinique


---In amelyachtowners@..., <gary@...> wrote :

Well,my wife would be the expert but here's what I've learned through keen observations and the occasional "honey, where do we keep the .....?"

At 5'2" she has a pretty good challenge with the deep cabinets as well.  We do own a pair of 'reaching-thingies" .. can grabber claws . that help manage that..  Mostly, the cabinets are full of seldom used things including the Soda Stream, electric kettle and vacuum sealer (only out at dock) and 'back-up" canned goods.
Our boat (#209) doesn't have a dishwasher so the extra cupboard is full of the zip-loc bags, foils, parchment, and the lesser used spices in a portable rack. the cupboard under the sink has the pressure cooker and some other nesting pots and pans.

Virtually all of the silverware and cutlery are in the two drawers under the countertop .. with the exception of the plastic and nylon stuff (spatulas, ladles, stirring spoons, tongs) which are held in "vases" in the rack above the fridge.

All our dishware is kept in the two aft cabinets, stbd side, in the salon.  It stacks nicely (all melamine) and since it's not metal can safely live close to the electronics.

All the foodstuffs basically are in the bilges, in their own bins (in case of leakage). Keeps the weight of canned goods low.

We have the two big drawers beneath the salon settee; one has mixing bowls and other 'big' vessels and the other has my "geek" stuff like the printer and scanner. The three drawers just fwd of the nav station, which I think were originally Amel's plan for dishes, are full of camera gear, extra aa, c and d cell batteries, some first aid supplies (not a full kit) and miscellaneous office supplies from sticky notes to playing cards. I'm sure everybody comes into their own plan; I know ours has evolved quite a bit as we figured out what got used most.

Nevertheless, there are still the times when my 6'2" comes in handy to reach the bottom of that deep locker for cleaning or retrieving he errant can of beets :)

Gary W.
s/v Adagio SM209
Malta



Aft Climma AC, SM

Gary Wells
 

Well, here's a question I just need to bounce around.  I need to see if the aft air conditioner on my SM is mounted correctly, or was installed "backwards".  I talked to Bill R. about it, and I am pretty sure I have exactly the right answer, but unfortunately that answer comes with no solution.

I have the aft air conditioner out and sitting in the head.  The way it was installed put the air input/cooling fins outboard, kind of against the hull and it is impossible to clean them without detaching the whole unit and sliding it out for access (meaning pulling out the head). 

Looking over the situation, it would be pretty easy to re-plumb it and reverse the orientation so that the cooling fins were facing inboard into the head. ~but~ , the exhaust elbow for the blower fan does not appear to be in any way movable as far as I can see.  Makes me wonder if there were right-hand/left-hand versions of the eh-9 compact, or if others might have a similar orientation with their units.

I'm not sure I want to 'solve' the problem if it's normal.

Could someone else with a hull number close (we are 209) take a quick look see and let me know how your unit is oriented? 

Thanks,

Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"
Malta



Re: Finally a real forum member

John Clark
 

Congratulations again Arno, make sure to come by and visit when you return.  

                                         John
SV Annie SM37
Le Marin 


Re: Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

Gary Wells
 

Well,my wife would be the expert but here's what I've learned through keen observations and the occasional "honey, where do we keep the .....?"

At 5'2" she has a pretty good challenge with the deep cabinets as well.  We do own a pair of 'reaching-thingies" .. can grabber claws . that help manage that..  Mostly, the cabinets are full of seldom used things including the Soda Stream, electric kettle and vacuum sealer (only out at dock) and 'back-up" canned goods.
Our boat (#209) doesn't have a dishwasher so the extra cupboard is full of the zip-loc bags, foils, parchment, and the lesser used spices in a portable rack. the cupboard under the sink has the pressure cooker and some other nesting pots and pans.

Virtually all of the silverware and cutlery are in the two drawers under the countertop .. with the exception of the plastic and nylon stuff (spatulas, ladles, stirring spoons, tongs) which are held in "vases" in the rack above the fridge.

All our dishware is kept in the two aft cabinets, stbd side, in the salon.  It stacks nicely (all melamine) and since it's not metal can safely live close to the electronics.

All the foodstuffs basically are in the bilges, in their own bins (in case of leakage). Keeps the weight of canned goods low.

We have the two big drawers beneath the salon settee; one has mixing bowls and other 'big' vessels and the other has my "geek" stuff like the printer and scanner. The three drawers just fwd of the nav station, which I think were originally Amel's plan for dishes, are full of camera gear, extra aa, c and d cell batteries, some first aid supplies (not a full kit) and miscellaneous office supplies from sticky notes to playing cards. I'm sure everybody comes into their own plan; I know ours has evolved quite a bit as we figured out what got used most.

Nevertheless, there are still the times when my 6'2" comes in handy to reach the bottom of that deep locker for cleaning or retrieving he errant can of beets :)

Gary W.
s/v Adagio SM209
Malta



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Elaine,

 

Where are you located?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

 

 

 

Hi everyone, I am a new member and a new owner of our first yacht, Amel SM hull no. 251. 

 

Moved onboard a few weeks ago and still unpacking and finding places for our belongings.  I am a keen cook and have quite a large pantry of what I consider essentials and having trouble organising the cupboards in the galley.  Would appreciate any input from the owners out there as to how they have gone about doing it.  The deep, top opening locker in the galley is proving to be the most difficult.  Also has anyone removed the bottle racks to gain extra storage.  Thanks in advance.

Elaine 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

Elaine Leishman
 


Hi everyone, I am a new member and a new owner of our first yacht, Amel SM hull no. 251. 

Moved onboard a few weeks ago and still unpacking and finding places for our belongings.  I am a keen cook and have quite a large pantry of what I consider essentials and having trouble organising the cupboards in the galley.  Would appreciate any input from the owners out there as to how they have gone about doing it.  The deep, top opening locker in the galley is proving to be the most difficult.  Also has anyone removed the bottle racks to gain extra storage.  Thanks in advance.
Elaine 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 


Bill,

Thanks for checking, as every scrap of information is helpful at this point. I am curious as to why you new cables would be 2 feet longer than the originals.

Steve


On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 12:33 PM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


I have been scrolling through the previous owner’s  blog, and can’t find exactly when the cables were replaced.  I’ll guess and say about 2012.  They had trouble with the steering being very stiff, and tracked it down to the cables.  I don’t remember them having any special difficulties installing the new cables.

I have not dug into the details of the differences between the various ultraflex systems, other than to see that it is a complex mix of current, legacy, and obsolete systems!

Bill Kinney
Sm 160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

greatketch@...
 

Steve,

I have been scrolling through the previous owner’s  blog, and can’t find exactly when the cables were replaced.  I’ll guess and say about 2012.  They had trouble with the steering being very stiff, and tracked it down to the cables.  I don’t remember them having any special difficulties installing the new cables.

I have not dug into the details of the differences between the various ultraflex systems, other than to see that it is a complex mix of current, legacy, and obsolete systems!

Bill Kinney
Sm 160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Finally a real forum member

karkauai
 

Congratulations and welcome to the family!  Hope to meet you some day for a beer/wine/rum and get to know you.

Kent 
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 

That is interesting Bill. I wonder if that would be the current replacement for our original cables which are also Ultraflex. Our cables are labeled M41 23FT E12G, which makes them 2 feet shorter than yours. They are an Italian company, but have a USA distributor located in Sarasota, FL. I’ll call them on Monday and see if they have a suitable replacement. 

Do you happen to know why your previous owners chose to replace the cables, and how long ago that was?

Thanks,
Steve


On Jul 15, 2018, at 08:50, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

For what it is worth, our cables were replaced a few years ago by the previous owner.

The embossed part number on the cable is Ultraflex M61Ft25

Ultraflex is an Italian maker of boat steering systems, M61 is one of their rack steering systems, and Ft25 seems to indicate that the length is 25 feet. Odd a European company would measure in feet, but it seems the case.

Bill Kinney
SM 160 Harmonie
Annapolis MD USA


Re: Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

greatketch@...
 

For what it is worth, our cables were replaced a few years ago by the previous owner.

The embossed part number on the cable is Ultraflex M61Ft25

Ultraflex is an Italian maker of boat steering systems, M61 is one of their rack steering systems, and Ft25 seems to indicate that the length is 25 feet. Odd a European company would measure in feet, but it seems the case.

Bill Kinney
SM 160 Harmonie
Annapolis MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Finally a real forum member

Mark Erdos
 

Arno,

 

If you stop at Bonaire, be sure to find us and say hello

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 9:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Finally a real forum member

 

 

Dear Forum,

 

Last week we had a very succesful survey of our new (to us) 54. The surveyor was very positive and the seatrial went very well. She will be on the hard for a few days now to have Amel work on some minor issues and do all the preventive maintenance to the underwater “stuff”. 

By the end of the month we will pick her up in Martinique and sail her to Curacao (weather permitting). Next we will have her on the hard in Curacao to start the revivial process (cleaning and polishing).

I would like to thank all people involved in this succesful week.

Moreover I want to give special thanks to Alexandere (Nikkimat) as he has been a fantastic support for me during for the last week.

 

Arno

Luna, A54


Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks for all the great responses. We felt fairly certain it was an alignment issue early on, as it is difficult  believe the cables could be at fault. After taking the racks out a second time, marking the center tooth carefully on both racks, putting it all back together, and still having the problem, it does not seem possible the alignment could be off.

This is what is leading us to the conclusion the cables could be at fault:

  •  More friction in both directions of steering than I think is normal. I just finished a 3 week trip on a friends SM2000 from Panama to Florida, and found the steering on that boat to be much smoother and easier than ours.
  • With the cables disconnected from the quadrant, and the wheel all the way to port, you can force the wheel a little farther. When you do this, the forward cable extends a bit farther, but the aft able is unmoving, and does not retract any more. as you move the wheel back toward center, the forward cable starts moving back in, and the aft cable stays put for a bit, and then makes an audible clunk, and starts moving.
  • No amount of cable adjustment available at the quadrant is enough to center steering.
I'm frustrated enough at this point after disassembling the steering system twice, that I'm willing to try most anything. If we are able to get cables from Amel, we will install them and see what happens. If anyone has something to try, that we have not yet done, I'm game.

The positive side of all this was to reinforce our opinion about what good boats we have. The emergency steering system is amazing. Other than taking an hour and a half to pull the pieces out, and rig the steering, it hardly slowed us down. The boat is amazingly easy to steer with the tiller, and we all got fairly good at it. You are fairly exposed sitting on the aft coach roof with your legs dangling into the cockpit, and we needed full foul weather gear to have a chance of staying dry. It helped a lot that we have bright new instruments at the helm to see wind and course info at night, as you were sitting a long ways from the display. We usually did 2 hour shifts on the tiller, and sometimes went down to 1 hour in the worst conditions. As you would expect, some of the heaviest conditions we encountered were in the last 1000 miles after steering failure. We completed a little over 5200 miles in 31 days for an average of 6.9 knots, so we are not complaining about anything, and will chalk it up as a great learning experience. The only thing we want for Christmas is to fix our steering.

Thanks again for the advice.

Steve and Liz
Aloha SM72


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