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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off
Pat, I believe that all electro-solenoid gas installations on SMs and 54s that I have seen are 3/8" pipe thread with a Burkert 6013 series solenoid valve. See the attached. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions
greatketch@...
Ian,
Thanks for that! Hope the install goes smoothly and come in below budget! Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Solomon’s Is, MD, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54007: Gear Box Part Number
kurt.wetzel@...
Thank you very much Bill. @SAV has nothing in stock at the moment. As informed by Amel La Rochelle there is a delay in production. That being the reason I posted this message on the forum. Regards Kurt Hemera AML54007E506
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Bill,
I can answer all your questions in about two weeks time. I am now 71 ( Judy is of course much younger) and hope to have at least ten more years afloat. You will have seen from past posts that we had an unhappy experience at the hands of the Volvo agent in Hyeres, leaving us with a large bill and an unhappy engine. We could persevere with our TMD but we want to go sailing rather than spending time in marinas and money on mechanics so we have taken the plunge and as I write a new Volvo D2-75 is being installed in Piraeus by a guy whom I trust. He was originally trained by the Englishman who designed the TMD and when Volvo acquired the selling rights from Perkins he was sent to Sweden to show them how it worked. He was shocked by the work and cost carried out in Hyeres and encouraged me to complain to Volvo central from whom I hope to get some satisfaction.
The new engine is marginally smaller in size but with a 2.2 litre capacity ( 2 litre for the TMD) and 75hp at lower revs so NO SMOKE ! ( I am promised !). The exhaust is on the starboard side but the filters, to port , are more accessible. Rather than a marinised car engine ( TMD) it was built as a marine engine. Meets EU pollution regs.
It does have a turbo, alas, but not the electronics that its bigger sister has, so you don't have to reach for a computer to fix it. It comes with a choice of three gearboxes--I think the straight shaft exit one has been chosen. The guy checked with Autoprop in the UK who confirmed that it's a match. He has worked on Amels and I think he will do a good job.
The engine comes with a standard instrument panel which is probably adequate, but as I like to have instruments showing engine temperature and 12v output I may fit the de luxe panel which has both of those plus oil pressure at an extra 300 euros or so. The total costs will be approaching 20,000 Euros.
It should do the trick. We will know in a couple of weeks time.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Piraeus
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 01 June 2018 15:57:26 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions A few questions for those of you who have repowered a Super Maramu—especially those who swapped out a Volvo TMD22.
What new engine did you use? Did you use the same Hurth 250 transmission? Are you happy with the new installation? Where there any serious issues or complications? Approximate cost? Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Central Chesapeake Bay, USA ------------------------------------ Posted by: greatketch@... ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/
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Volvo D3-110 won't start - instruments won't even light up?
cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
After a nice short day sail today, we were approaching Katakolo, Greece and I started the Volvo D3-110 (rev c) on my A54 and after a few minutes at idle, engaged into forward gear and about 30 seconds later, the motor died. I tried to start it again but neither the EVC System Tachometer nor the Alarm Display lit up. So effectively the motor is not responding at all to the ignition key. Both of the 20 amp fuses on the motor are intact. The starting battery is showing 12.9v and the genset, which I believe uses the same battery, started fine. Any ideas how I can start diagnosing this? Scott SV Tengah A54 #69
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Two questions
Ryan Meador
Hi Bill, Your post makes me wonder if I am misinformed. I thought the AC ground (not the neutral) from the shore power cable was connected to the bonding system (possibly via a galvanic isolator, if your boat is so equipped). Is that not the case? Thanks, Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Heat Exchanger
Patrick McAneny
I have had my heat exchanger off several times over the years ,and reinstalled it as the previous owner had and not questioned it ,until now. I have had an overheating issue for years and am resolved to solve it . The previous owner applied silicone on the end caps to seal them. Is this normally done? When I just removed the H/E I found that as I pushed the cap on the last time ,the silicone was pushed back and covered better than 50% of one of the four holes and about 25%of another. Which brings me to another question. Is the antifreeze forced through the holes or does it just come into contact with the tubes as it moves along with the flow,I assume the later. Thanks, Pat SM Shenanigans #123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas shut off [1 Attachment]
Patrick McAneny
Mark, As Bill just suggested ,this may have been installed by the previous owner. There is no 12 or 24 breaker that I can find, just going to redo it in 24v.,moving on to other problems.
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Pat
-----Original Message----- From: mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 12:13 pm Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas shut off [1 Attachment]
[Attachment(s) from mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] included below]
Pat,
For what it's worth, I was poking around my propane locker last weekend and took some pics of the gas shutoff solenoid. I have attached a picture of the Burkert part number 125301 solenoid label below. The solenoid on my SM (Hull #440) is definitely a 24 Volt solenoid and is powered from the main 24V breaker panel. It would seem very odd to me that Amel would have ever used a 12V solenoid for the gas shut off solenoid at any point in the building of SMs as I think they were built as 24V boats from the very beginning. Someone with more knowledge/experience can correct me if I am wrong in that.
Regardless of whether it is 12v or 24V solenoid, Amel would have been required to put in some kind of switch in the galley in proximity to the stove to control the gas shutoff solenoid. Does your main 24V panel have a breaker for the gas solenoid? If so, that is where it gets it's power from and it would appear that someone replaced the 24V solenoid with a 12V solenoid. That would obviously be bad as it would likely draw significantly more current than a 24V solenoid would assuming a similar coil resistance.
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off
Patrick McAneny
Bill, I have been trying to see a photo of the galley area on another SM of my vintage,no luck. I think cannot find the power source and think I will just replace the switch and solenoid with 24v . Getting the right thread size may be a problem.
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Pat
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off Pat,
I believe your SM was modified. Other SMs the same vintage that I have seen had a manual valve.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 08:01 Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Two questions
Alan, Good points. All, This "ground issue" gets very confusing to most people. Let me add to the confusion, or maybe add some humor...you be the judge:
I hope the above helps more than it hurts...if not, maybe it was entertaining. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:13 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Two questions
Herbert and Alan
Thank you, I will start by not connecting the shield then if I run into problem I know where to start digging Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
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Re: Gas shut off
mfmcgovern@...
Pat,
For what it's worth, I was poking around my propane locker last weekend and took some pics of the gas shutoff solenoid. I have attached a picture of the Burkert part number 125301 solenoid label below. The solenoid on my SM (Hull #440) is definitely a 24 Volt solenoid and is powered from the main 24V breaker panel. It would seem very odd to me that Amel would have ever used a 12V solenoid for the gas shut off solenoid at any point in the building of SMs as I think they were built as 24V boats from the very beginning. Someone with more knowledge/experience can correct me if I am wrong in that. Regardless of whether it is 12v or 24V solenoid, Amel would have been required to put in some kind of switch in the galley in proximity to the stove to control the gas shutoff solenoid. Does your main 24V panel have a breaker for the gas solenoid? If so, that is where it gets it's power from and it would appear that someone replaced the 24V solenoid with a 12V solenoid. That would obviously be bad as it would likely draw significantly more current than a 24V solenoid would assuming a similar coil resistance. Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54007: Gear Box Part Number
SAV@... has them in stock. Caution, there is more than one model gear box on the 54. Include a photo and hull number when ordering. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off
Pat, I believe your SM was modified. Other SMs the same vintage that I have seen had a manual valve. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 08:01 Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Repower questions
greatketch@...
A few questions for those of you who have repowered a Super Maramu—especially those who swapped out a Volvo TMD22.
What new engine did you use? Did you use the same Hurth 250 transmission? Are you happy with the new installation? Where there any serious issues or complications? Approximate cost? Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Central Chesapeake Bay, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Two questions
Ryan Meador
The drain and shield are connected together, and should be regarded as a single conductor. The drain wire is a lot easier to attach to than the shield. Maretron has this to say: The NMEA 2000® network should be grounded at ONE location. Grounding at more than one location may produce ground loops, which can cause problems with communications on the network. In addition to the ground wire, connect the drain or SHIELD wire at the supply ground location and NO other place. I take this to mean both ground and drain should be connected to the output of the 12V converter that is powering the system, which is the way it is set up on my boat. This also matches general electrical engineering practice. Part of the confusion I think is the use of the term "ground" for too many things. Every circuit has a chosen point that is the zero-volt reference, and this is called ground. The shield must be connected to the reference point of the power and signal wires to be effective. But on an Amel, we also have the 24VDC ground and the AC ground, which are all distinct. We even often call the DC ground by the slightly-inaccurate name "DC negative" to emphasize that it isn't connected to the AC ground. Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 4:11 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off
If it’s 12v, it would have to be powered by the 24-12 converters or the starting battery, Pat. On Kristy there’s a breaker for it on the 24v panel with a light that indicates it’s on.
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Kent S/V Kristy SM243
On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere. Thanks,
Pat SM#123
-----Original Message----- From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel? On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.
Kent Robertson
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off
Patrick McAneny
Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere.
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Thanks,
Pat SM#123
-----Original Message----- From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel? On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.
Kent Robertson
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off
Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel? On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.
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Kent Robertson
On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse. Thanks, Pat SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wood trim around Vee berth windows
Great, thanks Danny.
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Kent S/V Kristy SM 243
On May 31, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Kent, I used a high quality single pot spar varnish to do those trims around the overhead hatches. Looks good and matches the original. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 01 June 2018 at 11:17 "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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