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Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

Duane Siegfri
 

I'm having an issue with the watermaker where the pressure becomes erratic after running normally for 15 to 90 minutes.  You could watch a video of the pressure dial here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/63wu632zckpu9u1/AAB2tVJwzWvCiczr2W_oWvoza?dl=0


First I'm wondering if anyone else has had this trouble?


The things I've done to try to solve the problem include: replacing the prefilter, cleaning the seachest, checking seawater supply by disconnecting the hose from the watermaker into a bucket, checking connections in case it was sucking air on the supply side.  None of these indicated a problem.


Since the pump motors are constant speed motors, the pressure must be regulated by a "dump valve" on the back of the control panel, which is what the pressure dial must be adjusting.  So the brine line is attached to the dump valve, and it regulates how much pressure is relieved to the waste line which controls the pressure in the membranes.  Has anyone had to replace this valve?  I would expect all the other Desallators operate in a similar fashion.


The other possibility that has occurred to me is there must be a logic board involved to monitor the pressure and will perform an auto shut down (opens the dump valve) if the pressure goes too high or too low.  It seems logical that the logic board could fail in a way that it sends erratic signals to the dump valve.  Anyone have trouble with that?


I don't have an idea on how to test either of these, or if my understanding of how the system operates is even true.  Any information would be appreciated.  


Does anybody have any other possibilities I could look into?  

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


prop shaft bonding

smiles bernard
 

Hi there

I own an 1985 amel maramu

Shes new to me and the previous owner fitted a new prop shaft and seal
Which isn't bonded
I'm looking for ideas to copy and assume i would bont this to the same circuit that connects the engine bilge keel bolt, anode etc

I'd be interested in the original setup for prop shaft bonding or thoughts on how best this might be done

All the very best and many thanks in advance

Miles


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: leech length on mizzen ballooner on 54

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

And, David, they are within 1/2 meter of being the same length on the mizzen ballooner sail.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: leech length on mizzen ballooner on 54

Dave_Benjamin
 

Bill,

When we sailmakers supply a sock (aka spinnaker sleeve), we base the length on the leech, not the luff. You want to be able to easily reach the clew and it's okay to have some of the sail protruding from the sock. 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Jeff,

Wolfgang gave you the number. I mistakenly said leech when I should have said luff. Wolfgang has the luff at 11,65m. 12.0 meter is perfect for your sock.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:04 PM, webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jeff
the Mizzen ballooner is 12,6 meter x 11,65 meter x 6,0 meter.
I  have a " Black Box Bergeschlauch"  from  Quatumsails - length  11,8 m , paid 385 ,-€ .
The system works fine

Good sailing to all. 
Wolfgang Weber SY ELISE Amel 54 # 162 ( marina di Ragusa /Sicily )
next week in Florida




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Transmission through-hull maintenance

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

I guess the largest through-hull hole is the transmission down to the propeller.  Does it need any maintenance (excuse the ignorance), such as replacing the hull seals every X years or 're-greasing'?

Thanks
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
SM #151 in Cleopatra Marina, Greece



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Problems hooking up new Bamar EJF 1.0 to new Boxtron E14s Any help

Porter McRoberts
 

Bob,

Thank you very much for the thoughtful follow up.
i did get it sorted out.  Essentially doing what you suggested. 
The genoa-Foc switch at the helm runs through the thermal cut off switch in the motor.  This is quite different from the trinket: we simply bypassed the thermal cutoff.  
There is such minimal load there anyway.

They are working now: fast, quiet, and the biggest change: reliable.

Thanks again!

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







On Nov 9, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Bob Hodgins bobh@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Porter,
I am sorry for the delay in responding. I did replace my Boxtron 
controllers with the new E14, and I had to figure it out myself. I still 
have the older belt drive furlers that are working fine, so I can not be 
certain about the new furlers, but the E14 is likely the same. What I 
found by studying the wiring diagrams is that the original design of the 
switches at the helm, for turning on the Boxtron controllers, provides 
24 volt power to the Boxtron. The new E14 does not need power, you just 
need to make contact between two terminals. I am not currently on the 
boat, so I can not tell you the terminal numbers, but it should be 
apparent when you look at the box, or at the wiring diagram. I do 
remember that there are three terminals in the E14, the center one, and 
two adjacent ones. shorting (or connecting) the center to either side 
runs the unit one direction and the other. To solve the problem, I 
installed a small relay right inside the E14. (or maybe it was 2 relays) 
I had spares on board of the little relays that are used in the bow 
thruster up/down circuit. I connected the 24v power from the helm switch 
to close the relay, and connected the E14 terminals to the contacts of 
the relay. It was a simple fix and if you are using an experienced 
marine electrician he should of been able to sort that for you. I will 
be back aboard Gallivant next week, and could provide you with more 
detailed info if needed.
Bob Hodgins
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Jean Boucharlat
 

James,

 

There are entire libraries filled with heavy books, theses, knowledgeable opinions, about the respective merits of grease and oil.

You can spend the upcoming winter making up your mind if you have the courage to investigate thoroughly this particular issue.

Take the plunge, make your own decision about what fits your particular circumstances.

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: vendredi 10 novembre 2017 05:29
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

 

 

What is the consensus of others, then, regarding using gear oil versus grease for the furlor and outhaul gearboxes?

Indeed, it would seem that gear oil would be the appropriate lubrication, but I look to those smarter than me… 

 

James

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:47 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If you are going to disassemble the gearbox, why not just fill it with SAE90 oil?

That will do a much better job of keeping the gears lubricated than grease.

Grease tends to get thrown off gears as they turn and doesn't stay where the gears are meshed, which is what you really want to lubricate.

Cheers

Alan 

Elyse SM437

On the hard, raising the waterline

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

Patrick McAneny
 

Oliver , The address is correct , but I recieved no email from you. Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Oliver Buhlert obuhlert@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Nov 10, 2017 2:47 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

 
Pat,

I wrote an e-mail to your privat account sailw32@..., is it the right address, did you get it?

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397



Am 09.11.2017 um 22:56 schrieb Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 
Oliver, I live on the Sassafras River at the north end of the Bay. I just hauled my boat a few hours ago and will winterize it in the next few days. Is your water maker pickled ? Where is your boat located ? 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 2:20 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

 
Hello,

and thank you for the answers to find a high quality rope for our boat. 

We are looking for a very experienced AMEL SM 2000 owner or previous AMEL SM 2000 owner, who can help us to winterize our boat in the US, Chesapeake Bay. 
Actually it seams difficult for us to fly in from Europe.  We are in a Marina with a very good and experienced Boatyard, but like we all know, an AMEL owner knows the AMEL much better.

If someone could help us, or could recommend someone please contact us.

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397

  
  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] phased electronics replacement

Stephen Davis
 

Hi James,

Try flyboyscd at Gmail dot com, and I'm happy to pass on anything info we have. 

Steve
Aloha SM72

On Nov 9, 2017, at 21:19, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve - I’d like to ask you about your planning for Panama.  Perhaps you would be willing to pass along your personal contact.  I am at jamescromie “at" yahoo “dot” com.


Thanks!
James

On Nov 9, 2017, at 6:53 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hey Pat,

I was hoping you guys were going to make it South this season. At least the eastern Caribbean should be put back together by next year. We just got to Panama, and will spend the next couple of months mostly in the San Blas, prior to sorting our canal transit for February. 

My experience with the interphase was good, but it was 15 years ago with an almost new unit. Aloha had one when we purchased her, but it had not worked for a while, and we ripped it out. I'm hoping Raymarine comes out with one, as I have all new Raymarine electronics I installed back in April, and am happy with all of it. After my recent experience, it seems like a more critical piece of equipment to have. 

Aloha,
Steve

On Nov 9, 2017, at 17:15, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve, I had interphase and found it erratic . The B&G forward scan is much better and would definitely have shown a large rock or ledge. Another nice feature, even when not in the scan mode and without it displayed on the plotter , you have a green area displayed on the plotter in front of your boat that turns to yellow as the depth decreases and then turns red when you enter an area of dangerous  depth , that you set up. Just looking at You Tube of the San Blas , looks beautiful , thinking of doing it next winter.

Have Fun !
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 
My 2 cents worth...2 days ago we were slowly navigating down a remote uncharted bay in the less traveled Eastern San Blas of Panama. We were using the the Eric Bauhaus charts from "The Panama Cruisers Guide". His chart indicated 15 meters, and we were indicating 54' on the sounder just creeping along. We went from 54' to hitting something and coming to a rapid stop in the blink of an eye. We were able to back off, and immediately showed 54' again. The water was brown, and Liz was spotting on the bow with no indication that anything was ahead of us. Fortunately, we were going slow, and other than some scratches on the iron part of the keel, no harm done. 

Moral of the story is a functional forward looking sonar may have prevented this, and giving me the confidence to continue instead of turning around as we did. I have used an old interphase unit many years ago in Hawaii, and even with the older technology, I found it very useful. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Puerto Lindo, Panama

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Pat,

I have not installed forward scanning sonar.  At least, not yet.

It has been a quite a while since I last evaluated forward sonars, so my comments might be very out of date.... The ability to actually display something I felt I could easily interpret in real time at a useful level of precision didn't impress me.  The times we bump bottom we are going from 6.9 feet to 6.5, not from 40 feet to 5 feet. I know some people swear by them, so there is utility there I am not seeing.

Double that on the power usage of the 3G radar!  We routinely leave the radar on at sea now.  One of the downsides people have listed about the broadband radars is that they are not as good at rain/squall detection.  I don't see it.  On our trip down here we wer e regularly seeing rather light squall activity well before the rain started to fall to the surface. For weather tracking and avoidance at sea, the 3G certainly meets my needs, even if it can't pick out a spot of drizzle at 20 miles!

It was good to meet you,

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL




---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill, Due to a lightning strike we had every instrument on the boat replaced from tv antenna to ssb , everything. I chose to go with all B&G , 12 inch plotter at the helm and a 9 in. at the nav . station. I opted for the Forward Scan , it seemed erratic , with the image of the bottom spiking up and down , while in an area with a flat bottom (Chesapeake Bay ) . I could place no faith in it to accurately depict what was in front of me. I installed a new transducer , as suggested by a B&G rep. , I have yet been able to test it out, and will be hauling the boat asap . My question, do you find the forward scan to accurately depict an image of the bottom , or is the image erratic , showing the bottom depth shoot up and down. I thought that perhaps the mud bottom we have here does not reflect well and maybe it works better in a sand / coral  bottom . I also really like the radar and it uses very little power . It was nice to meet you in Annapolis.

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

Oliver Buhlert
 

Pat,

I wrote an e-mail to your privat account sailw32@..., is it the right address, did you get it?

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397



Am 09.11.2017 um 22:56 schrieb Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Oliver, I live on the Sassafras River at the north end of the Bay. I just hauled my boat a few hours ago and will winterize it in the next few days. Is your water maker pickled ? Where is your boat located ? 

Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 2:20 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

 
Hello,

and thank you for the answers to find a high quality rope for our boat. 

We are looking for a very experienced AMEL SM 2000 owner or previous AMEL SM 2000 owner, who can help us to winterize our boat in the US, Chesapeake Bay. 
Actually it seams difficult for us to fly in from Europe.  We are in a Marina with a very good and experienced Boatyard, but like we all know, an AMEL owner knows the AMEL much better.

If someone could help us, or could recommend someone please contact us.

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397

  
  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

James Cromie
 

What is the consensus of others, then, regarding using gear oil versus grease for the furlor and outhaul gearboxes?
Indeed, it would seem that gear oil would be the appropriate lubrication, but I look to those smarter than me… 

James

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:47 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

If you are going to disassemble the gearbox, why not just fill it with SAE90 oil?

That will do a much better job of keeping the gears lubricated than grease.
Grease tends to get thrown off gears as they turn and doesn't stay where the gears are meshed, which is what you really want to lubricate.
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse SM437
On the hard, raising the waterline



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Alan Leslie
 

If you are going to disassemble the gearbox, why not just fill it with SAE90 oil?
That will do a much better job of keeping the gears lubricated than grease.
Grease tends to get thrown off gears as they turn and doesn't stay where the gears are meshed, which is what you really want to lubricate.
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse SM437
On the hard, raising the waterline


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

James Cromie
 

When drilling and tapping grease fitting holes on the gearboxes, are people doing so with the gearbox disassembled, or are you doing it blindly.  If doing it blindly, how thick is the housing, and where are the fittings best placed?

Thanks
James

On Nov 9, 2017, at 8:13 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Yes, Bill, as I said, "the plastic caps/plugs are fine". Perhaps as annoying is the failure of the finish, as some have pointed out. I recall Kent had some of his parts powder coated. Better yet, as Joel encourages, use that water maker and rinse off the seawater as often as possible.

Cheers, Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Craig, et al,

I had a slight amount of dissimilar metal corrosion between the stainless steel grease fittings and the cast aluminum gearbox housing. Using plastic/nylon/delrin screws/bolts is a good idea if you want to keep it looking good.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550


On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:27 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,

Sorry we missed you - have you headed south? We're in Ft Pierce for a bit.
The plastic caps/plugs are fine, although grease fittings always bathed in, er, grease, are not prime candidates for corrosion :-)  
Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com, wrote :

Hi Craig,
   We saw your boat at Oriental NC,  but couldn't find you before we left.  
I too was surprised that the cooling fins did not interfere with the mast.  I was prepared to grind them off,  which isn't too big of a job as it is aluminium and easy to take off metal.  

I agree with you on the zirc fittings,  if my original gears had fittings they would still be on the boat.  Bill R,  cautioned to replace fittings with plastic caps when not greasing to prevent galvanic corrosion.    

   Regards,  John

SV Annie. SM 37.


On Nov 7, 2017 8:22 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
 

hi John,

As I noted, you do have to grind the fins on the SN, Sounds like the SM mast section is a bit bigger.
And, Ian, I had to remove the boom and use a hydraulic bench press to remove the shaft from the line tender. Since it has a woodruff key I did sand it down a fraction when I reinstalled it so next time should be easier. Also, you'll want a proper drill press with long bits to drill the holes. Also, since you'll be opening the unit the factory gear oil will seep out - suggest using grease on reassembly and add Zerk fittings for periodic maintenance. I never had much luck with the paint lasting very long, but your technique sounds good, Wonder if a 2-part like Awlgrip might be more durable. I had though of having it powder coated but didn't want to remove the rubber plug and seals.
Good luck with it,
Craig SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com, wrote :

Hi All,
   I replaced both outhaul and mainsail furler bonfig  gearboxes and did not have to grind down either one.  Both were bolt on replacement.

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37

On Nov 6, 2017 6:24 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
 

For information, I have 2 NEW Bonfiglioli for sale.  
http://nikimat.com/parts_for_ sale/bonfiglioli_model_vf44_ p1_70_p63_b14_b370_1_ reduction.html

Preferably pick up in Sint Maarten, but can ship.  

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 11/6/17, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:11 PM


 









Just about to fit 2 new Bonfiglios. Grinding one
down to fit was easy as it is aluminium or something very
similar. Then you need to paint it. I used an aluminium
etching primer and the two or three one part top coats.

Not anticipating an easy job with the Anderson separation,
but I’ve got everyone’s notes to hand!



Ian



Ocean Hobo SN 96 (back in Grenada at last)













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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] phased electronics replacement

James Cromie
 

Steve - I’d like to ask you about your planning for Panama.  Perhaps you would be willing to pass along your personal contact.  I am at jamescromie “at" yahoo “dot” com.

Thanks!
James

On Nov 9, 2017, at 6:53 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hey Pat,

I was hoping you guys were going to make it South this season. At least the eastern Caribbean should be put back together by next year. We just got to Panama, and will spend the next couple of months mostly in the San Blas, prior to sorting our canal transit for February. 

My experience with the interphase was good, but it was 15 years ago with an almost new unit. Aloha had one when we purchased her, but it had not worked for a while, and we ripped it out. I'm hoping Raymarine comes out with one, as I have all new Raymarine electronics I installed back in April, and am happy with all of it. After my recent experience, it seems like a more critical piece of equipment to have. 

Aloha,
Steve

On Nov 9, 2017, at 17:15, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve, I had interphase and found it erratic . The B&G forward scan is much better and would definitely have shown a large rock or ledge. Another nice feature, even when not in the scan mode and without it displayed on the plotter , you have a green area displayed on the plotter in front of your boat that turns to yellow as the depth decreases and then turns red when you enter an area of dangerous  depth , that you set up. Just looking at You Tube of the San Blas , looks beautiful , thinking of doing it next winter.

Have Fun !
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 
My 2 cents worth...2 days ago we were slowly navigating down a remote uncharted bay in the less traveled Eastern San Blas of Panama. We were using the the Eric Bauhaus charts from "The Panama Cruisers Guide". His chart indicated 15 meters, and we were indicating 54' on the sounder just creeping along. We went from 54' to hitting something and coming to a rapid stop in the blink of an eye. We were able to back off, and immediately showed 54' again. The water was brown, and Liz was spotting on the bow with no indication that anything was ahead of us. Fortunately, we were going slow, and other than some scratches on the iron part of the keel, no harm done. 

Moral of the story is a functional forward looking sonar may have prevented this, and giving me the confidence to continue instead of turning around as we did. I have used an old interphase unit many years ago in Hawaii, and even with the older technology, I found it very useful. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Puerto Lindo, Panama

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Pat,

I have not installed forward scanning sonar.  At least, not yet.

It has been a quite a while since I last evaluated forward sonars, so my comments might be very out of date.... The ability to actually display something I felt I could easily interpret in real time at a useful level of precision didn't impress me.  The times we bump bottom we are going from 6.9 feet to 6.5, not from 40 feet to 5 feet. I know some people swear by them, so there is utility there I am not seeing.

Double that on the power usage of the 3G radar!  We routinely leave the radar on at sea now.  One of the downsides people have listed about the broadband radars is that they are not as good at rain/squall detection.  I don't see it.  On our trip down here we wer e regularly seeing rather light squall activity well before the rain started to fall to the surface. For weather tracking and avoidance at sea, the 3G certainly meets my needs, even if it can't pick out a spot of drizzle at 20 miles!

It was good to meet you,

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL




---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill, Due to a lightning strike we had every instrument on the boat replaced from tv antenna to ssb , everything. I chose to go with all B&G , 12 inch plotter at the helm and a 9 in. at the nav . station. I opted for the Forward Scan , it seemed erratic , with the image of the bottom spiking up and down , while in an area with a flat bottom (Chesapeake Bay ) . I could place no faith in it to accurately depict what was in front of me. I installed a new transducer , as suggested by a B&G rep. , I have yet been able to test it out, and will be hauling the boat asap . My question, do you find the forward scan to accurately depict an image of the bottom , or is the image erratic , showing the bottom depth shoot up and down. I thought that perhaps the mud bottom we have here does not reflect well and maybe it works better in a sand / coral  bottom . I also really like the radar and it uses very little power . It was nice to meet you in Annapolis.

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

Stephen Davis
 

Hey Pat,

I was hoping you guys were going to make it South this season. At least the eastern Caribbean should be put back together by next year. We just got to Panama, and will spend the next couple of months mostly in the San Blas, prior to sorting our canal transit for February. 

My experience with the interphase was good, but it was 15 years ago with an almost new unit. Aloha had one when we purchased her, but it had not worked for a while, and we ripped it out. I'm hoping Raymarine comes out with one, as I have all new Raymarine electronics I installed back in April, and am happy with all of it. After my recent experience, it seems like a more critical piece of equipment to have. 

Aloha,
Steve

On Nov 9, 2017, at 17:15, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve, I had interphase and found it erratic . The B&G forward scan is much better and would definitely have shown a large rock or ledge. Another nice feature, even when not in the scan mode and without it displayed on the plotter , you have a green area displayed on the plotter in front of your boat that turns to yellow as the depth decreases and then turns red when you enter an area of dangerous  depth , that you set up. Just looking at You Tube of the San Blas , looks beautiful , thinking of doing it next winter.

Have Fun !
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 
My 2 cents worth...2 days ago we were slowly navigating down a remote uncharted bay in the less traveled Eastern San Blas of Panama. We were using the the Eric Bauhaus charts from "The Panama Cruisers Guide". His chart indicated 15 meters, and we were indicating 54' on the sounder just creeping along. We went from 54' to hitting something and coming to a rapid stop in the blink of an eye. We were able to back off, and immediately showed 54' again. The water was brown, and Liz was spotting on the bow with no indication that anything was ahead of us. Fortunately, we were going slow, and other than some scratches on the iron part of the keel, no harm done. 

Moral of the story is a functional forward looking sonar may have prevented this, and giving me the confidence to continue instead of turning around as we did. I have used an old interphase unit many years ago in Hawaii, and even with the older technology, I found it very useful. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Puerto Lindo, Panama

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Pat,

I have not installed forward scanning sonar.  At least, not yet.

It has been a quite a while since I last evaluated forward sonars, so my comments might be very out of date.... The ability to actually display something I felt I could easily interpret in real time at a useful level of precision didn't impress me.  The times we bump bottom we are going from 6.9 feet to 6.5, not from 40 feet to 5 feet. I know some people swear by them, so there is utility there I am not seeing.

Double that on the power usage of the 3G radar!  We routinely leave the radar on at sea now.  One of the downsides people have listed about the broadband radars is that they are not as good at rain/squall detection.  I don't see it.  On our trip down here we wer e regularly seeing rather light squall activity well before the rain started to fall to the surface. For weather tracking and avoidance at sea, the 3G certainly meets my needs, even if it can't pick out a spot of drizzle at 20 miles!

It was good to meet you,

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL




---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill, Due to a lightning strike we had every instrument on the boat replaced from tv antenna to ssb , everything. I chose to go with all B&G , 12 inch plotter at the helm and a 9 in. at the nav . station. I opted for the Forward Scan , it seemed erratic , with the image of the bottom spiking up and down , while in an area with a flat bottom (Chesapeake Bay ) . I could place no faith in it to accurately depict what was in front of me. I installed a new transducer , as suggested by a B&G rep. , I have yet been able to test it out, and will be hauling the boat asap . My question, do you find the forward scan to accurately depict an image of the bottom , or is the image erratic , showing the bottom depth shoot up and down. I thought that perhaps the mud bottom we have here does not reflect well and maybe it works better in a sand / coral  bottom . I also really like the radar and it uses very little power . It was nice to meet you in Annapolis.

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans



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Re: phased electronics replacement

Dominique Guenot
 

Hello Bill, 

Thank you for all these information and the schematic.

I see you have a computer AC42 at the navigation table. 
What are you using it for?  
Are you plotting your route on it or on the Zeus at the Helm or both? 
Do you have 1 set of charts or 2 different sets of charts? 

Thank you in advance

Dominique
s/v Viva currently in Fiji  


Re: Problems hooking up new Bamar EJF 1.0 to new Boxtron E14s Any help

Bob Hodgins <bobh@...>
 

Porter,
I am sorry for the delay in responding. I did replace my Boxtron controllers with the new E14, and I had to figure it out myself. I still have the older belt drive furlers that are working fine, so I can not be certain about the new furlers, but the E14 is likely the same. What I found by studying the wiring diagrams is that the original design of the switches at the helm, for turning on the Boxtron controllers, provides 24 volt power to the Boxtron. The new E14 does not need power, you just need to make contact between two terminals. I am not currently on the boat, so I can not tell you the terminal numbers, but it should be apparent when you look at the box, or at the wiring diagram. I do remember that there are three terminals in the E14, the center one, and two adjacent ones. shorting (or connecting) the center to either side runs the unit one direction and the other. To solve the problem, I installed a small relay right inside the E14. (or maybe it was 2 relays) I had spares on board of the little relays that are used in the bow thruster up/down circuit. I connected the 24v power from the helm switch to close the relay, and connected the E14 terminals to the contacts of the relay. It was a simple fix and if you are using an experienced marine electrician he should of been able to sort that for you. I will be back aboard Gallivant next week, and could provide you with more detailed info if needed.
Bob Hodgins
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement [1 Attachment]

greatketch@...
 

Once again, I made the mistake of assuming all SMs are the same, even though I know better!

The Furuo 1831 that we had could not send radar data out...  Newer Furuno radars of course can talk to chart plotters....

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, I had interphase and found it erratic . The B&G forward scan is much better and would definitely have shown a large rock or ledge. Another nice feature, even when not in the scan mode and without it displayed on the plotter , you have a green area displayed on the plotter in front of your boat that turns to yellow as the depth decreases and then turns red when you enter an area of dangerous  depth , that you set up. Just looking at You Tube of the San Blas , looks beautiful , thinking of doing it next winter.
Have Fun !
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 
My 2 cents worth...2 days ago we were slowly navigating down a remote uncharted bay in the less traveled Eastern San Blas of Panama. We were using the the Eric Bauhaus charts from "The Panama Cruisers Guide". His chart indicated 15 meters, and we were indicating 54' on the sounder just creeping along. We went from 54' to hitting something and coming to a rapid stop in the blink of an eye. We were able to back off, and immediately showed 54' again. The water was brown, and Liz was spotting on the bow with no indication that anything was ahead of us. Fortunately, we were going slow, and other than some scratches on the iron part of the keel, no harm done. 

Moral of the story is a functional forward looking sonar may have prevented this, and giving me the confidence to continue instead of turning around as we did. I have used an old interphase unit many years ago in Hawaii, and even with the older technology, I found it very useful. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Puerto Lindo, Panama

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Pat,

I have not installed forward scanning sonar.  At least, not yet.

It has been a quite a while since I last evaluated forward sonars, so my comments might be very out of date.... The ability to actually display something I felt I could easily interpret in real time at a useful level of precision didn't impress me.  The times we bump bottom we are going from 6.9 feet to 6.5, not from 40 feet to 5 feet. I know some people swear by them, so there is utility there I am not seeing.

Double that on the power usage of the 3G radar!  We routinely leave the radar on at sea now.  One of the downsides people have listed about the broadband radars is that they are not as good at rain/squall detection.  I don't see it.  On our trip down here we wer e regularly seeing rather light squall activity well before the rain started to fall to the surface. For weather tracking and avoidance at sea, the 3G certainly meets my needs, even if it can't pick out a spot of drizzle at 20 miles!

It was good to meet you,

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL




---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill, Due to a lightning strike we had every instrument on the boat replaced from tv antenna to ssb , everything. I chose to go with all B&G , 12 inch plotter at the helm and a 9 in. at the nav . station. I opted for the Forward Scan , it seemed erratic , with the image of the bottom spiking up and down , while in an area with a flat bottom (Chesapeake Bay ) . I could place no faith in it to accurately depict what was in front of me. I installed a new transducer , as suggested by a B&G rep. , I have yet been able to test it out, and will be hauling the boat asap . My question, do you find the forward scan to accurately depict an image of the bottom , or is the image erratic , showing the bottom depth shoot up and down. I thought that perhaps the mud bottom we have here does not reflect well and maybe it works better in a sand / coral  bottom . I also really like the radar and it uses very little power . It was nice to meet you in Annapolis.

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans