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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mark

Before our first ocean crossing in 2009 we fitted two panels clamped to the rail port side just aft of the cockpit. There is no need for props or braces

 They are about 1/3 inside the rail 2/3 out. The clamps have hand wheel nuts that allow easy tightening and loosening. This makes it quick and easy to put them in an upright position when docking or in confined spaces. In over 40,000 sea miles in all sort of conditions we have never had an issue with seas striking them.

When we fitted them we had no time to use other options so we put them on the rail and decided that if it was not convenient or effective we would shift them to an alternative, It has proved to be very satisfactory and we have no need or desire to move them.

In 2009 the general wisdom on the Amel forum was that big arches put too much weight on the stern and the SM structure was not designed  for the loads of arches . Now the arches seem to be the number one fashion statement. (grin).

Any way we are happy with what we have, but we are ocean wallopers not marina animals.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl 

On 30 November 2017 at 03:33 "isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello All,

I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice.  Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location.  It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated.

Mark

Ft. Lauderdale


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Flexofold Prop

Dean Gillies
 

Great discussion, but somewhat bewildering for mere mortals like myself!
I've just placed an order for an Autoprop on the basis of 
1. good customer service from Bruntons,
2. I know it fits and work because many (maybe most?) other 54's have it,
3. I could see no compelling reason to choose differently.
It won't be fitted until next year. In the meantime I need to consider whether I need a rope cutter too.
Cheers all
Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54 #154


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Steve,

EMEK is well known for their lack of response to customer problems… however, my own EMEK arch is good.

Regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007
Panama



On 29 Nov 2017, at 11:14, Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I just this morning removed one of Emek’s stainless arches we had made. He made it up and sent it in the spring but it has been nothing but issues. The fit was horrendous and though he made gestures to get it sorted, he never followed through. All 4 feet sat poorly with gaps to the inside or out ranging from 1/8” to 5/8” on the starboard forward mounting foot. The geometry was so off that every time I brought welders out to look, they either went into hiding and never returned calls and emails, or they promised to make it right but said it would be thousands (5+) to cut, refabricate, weld, polish and mount. As it is holding us back from sailing at the moment, I pulled it all off and put it in storage to sort out next summer. Though I don’t love the look o the Atlantic arch, I know several boats who have gone that route and do not complain. I would look at the new LG 350w panels from nearing in Ft Lauderdale. Two will fit nicely atop the Atlantic and give you good power. 


Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Ft Lauderdale marine center


On Nov 29, 2017, at 10:46 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Mark

We have 450 w solar panels on an Arc from Emek marine, works great, I added 2x100 watt on the rail and 2x100 watt flexible panels on the Bimini. Now we have two groups 450 and 400 watt, we are very pleased with the setup.
Considering adding 2x100 watt flexible panels on top of the spray hood.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location

Courtney Gorman
 

Steve sorry to hear about your issues have a great season miss seeing you in Brunswick
Cheers
Courtney
54 Trippin'


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 11:14 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location

 
I just this morning removed one of Emek’s stainless arches we had made. He made it up and sent it in the spring but it has been nothing but issues. The fit was horrendous and though he made gestures to get it sorted, he never followed through. All 4 feet sat poorly with gaps to the inside or out ranging from 1/8” to 5/8” on the starboard forward mounting foot. The geometry was so off that every time I brought welders out to look, they either went into hiding and never returned calls and emails, or they promised to make it right but said it would be thousands (5+) to cut, refabricate, weld, polish and mount. As it is holding us back from sailing at the moment, I pulled it all off and put it in storage to sort out next summer. Though I don’t love the look o the Atlantic arch, I know several boats who have gone that route and do not complain. I would look at the new LG 350w panels from nearing in Ft Lauderdale. Two will fit nicely atop the Atlantic and give you good power. 

Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Ft Lauderdale marine center


On Nov 29, 2017, at 10:46 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hello Mark
We have 450 w solar panels on an Arc from Emek marine, works great, I added 2x100 watt on the rail and 2x100 watt flexible panels on the Bimini. Now we have two groups 450 and 400 watt, we are very pleased with the setup.
Considering adding 2x100 watt flexible panels on top of the spray hood.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

I just this morning removed one of Emek’s stainless arches we had made. He made it up and sent it in the spring but it has been nothing but issues. The fit was horrendous and though he made gestures to get it sorted, he never followed through. All 4 feet sat poorly with gaps to the inside or out ranging from 1/8” to 5/8” on the starboard forward mounting foot. The geometry was so off that every time I brought welders out to look, they either went into hiding and never returned calls and emails, or they promised to make it right but said it would be thousands (5+) to cut, refabricate, weld, polish and mount. As it is holding us back from sailing at the moment, I pulled it all off and put it in storage to sort out next summer. Though I don’t love the look o the Atlantic arch, I know several boats who have gone that route and do not complain. I would look at the new LG 350w panels from nearing in Ft Lauderdale. Two will fit nicely atop the Atlantic and give you good power. 

Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Ft Lauderdale marine center


On Nov 29, 2017, at 10:46 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Mark

We have 450 w solar panels on an Arc from Emek marine, works great, I added 2x100 watt on the rail and 2x100 watt flexible panels on the Bimini. Now we have two groups 450 and 400 watt, we are very pleased with the setup.
Considering adding 2x100 watt flexible panels on top of the spray hood.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: Solar Panel Location

greatketch@...
 

Mark,

We used an Atlantic Tower arch to hold two 315W Panasonic panels.  It worked well, and we are happy with the result.  We are currently at Lauderdale Marine Center if you wanted to stop over and see, you would be welcome.

I liked the Atlantic Arch because of its light weight.  Installation of the arch was a two day project. Another day or two for the panel install.

On my old boat I had panels on the rail.  On my way east from Hawaii I ran into a “bit of weather”. We took a wave across the boat that threw green water against the back side of the leeward side panel, which were folded down.  The panels were fine, but the rail  they were attached to sutained significant damage. That experience has made my leery of rail mounted panels. 


Bill Kinney
sM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: Solar Panel Location

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello Mark
We have 450 w solar panels on an Arc from Emek marine, works great, I added 2x100 watt on the rail and 2x100 watt flexible panels on the Bimini. Now we have two groups 450 and 400 watt, we are very pleased with the setup.
Considering adding 2x100 watt flexible panels on top of the spray hood.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

greatketch@...
 

Do not assume that the "tons" shown on your documentation certificate has anything to do with the vessel's weight.

It is an archaic calculation that is an estimate of the boat's cargo carrying capacity based on its volume. On US certificates it is calculated from the boat’s width, height, and length.  

Because, you know many of us haul freight with our Amel’s and the government needs to be sure it gets its duties collected accurately.  Or something.

Some countries use a rough approximate calculation (like the USA and the UK) others take this to the silly limit and require an exact calculation of the internal volume from a lines drawing of the hull.  The whole concept is rather a waste to time and energy  for a yacht, but rules is rules!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL



---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote :

Follow on from my previous. That is way more than Amel specs.
Danny
Sm 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 29 Nov 2017 18:29, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Kimberlites stated tonnage on the USA Documentation is 25 net tons and 28 gross  tons.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 the gross/net  tonnage, so that the official measure can
make the International certificate of
tonnage.Have you recieved any info which can
help?Kind RegardsJeppe, SM464




 


Solar Panel Location

Mark Isaac
 

Hello All,

I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice.  Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location.  It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated.

Mark
SM #391
Ft. Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Ian Park
 

Figures for a Santorin are -
Part 1 brass registration plate on board says 15 13/100 tons
Registration certificate says Gross Tonnage 18.11 and Registered tonnage 15.13
The original AMEL brochure says Displacement loaded 22,045 lbs and total weight empty 18,738 lbs, ballast 8,156lbs.
When hauled out in UK by crane we registered a shade over 15 tons (British).

Confirm previous comments that Part 1 registration refers to an ancient measurement of predicted volume.

If anyone fancies doing the math between all these figures - enjoy!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Jeppe Jonsson
 

Dear Andy
The British Registry allows the use of a simple approximate formula, which is not recognized by the Danish Registry.
Thanks anyway
Jeppe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Andy Buxford
 

If you're on the Part 1 registry then these weights were recorded when
your boat was surveyed.

https://ydsa.co.uk/registration/how-do-i-arrange-a-measurement/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonnage


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


On my British Registry both “Gross” and “Net” Tonnage showed 27.03 Tons
(76.49 Cubic Meres).
Quite frankly I don’t know if these number are accurate, but if it helps you
I can email you the copy of that certificate.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Rédouan Assar <red1assar@...>
 

I am sure they have the linesplan. At least try to get scaled regular sections from them, I will dig out my old books and see what can be done.

Redouan

On 29 Nov 2017, at 11:58, jej@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Rédouan
Thanks, sounds easy, if you know what you are doing.
My SM is currently in the water and winterized for the winter.
I hope Amel can help me with calculations or line-drawings.
Thanks again
Kind Regards
Jeppe, SM464


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Jeppe Jonsson
 

Dear Rédouan
Thanks, sounds easy, if you know what you are doing.
My SM is currently in the water and winterized for the winter.
I hope Amel can help me with calculations or line-drawings.
Thanks again
Kind Regards
Jeppe, SM464


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Rédouan Assar <red1assar@...>
 

Once your boat is out of the water it is relatively easy to make the linesplan with a theodolite. You then plot them and interpolate the volume between areas of each cross section. If you have a software like AutoCAD it would be even simpler.

It is a nice winter evening project to do if you have the boat out of the water.  I shall be back to the boat in January and if I can get hold of a theodolite in Portimao, I might do it just to bring my naval architect spirit back and get the SM linesplan!

Redouan

On 29 Nov 2017, at 10:58, jej@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Redouan
You are absolutely right. The International Tonnage Certificate is a virtual measure based on the volume of the ship. And yes it is expensive to get the measurer to make the line-drawings again and calculate the volume that is one of the basic parameteres of the tonnage calculation. I will try my luck with at Amel, if there is no Irish or Swedish registered SM with the needed numbers or calculations or line-drawings.
Thanks for your answer.
Kind Regards
Jeppe, SM464
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Jeppe Jonsson
 

Dear Redouan
You are absolutely right. The International Tonnage Certificate is a virtual measure based on the volume of the ship. And yes it is expensive to get the measurer to make the line-drawings again and calculate the volume that is one of the basic parameteres of the tonnage calculation. I will try my luck with at Amel, if there is no Irish or Swedish registered SM with the needed numbers or calculations or line-drawings.
Thanks for your answer.
Kind Regards
Jeppe, SM464
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Rédouan Assar <red1assar@...>
 

Hello, 

From my humble experience with tonnage calculations when designing and registering fishing vessels I believe the tonnage is linked to the volume of the boat, not its weight and is referring to ancient cargoes of barils or ‘tonneau’ in french.

I recommend that you ask amel as they can easily give you this from the linesplan or you need to spend some time out of the water with a theodolite and pick up the hull lines to calculate the volume. You then use the class formulae to get the tonnage value required by your specific country of registry. 

It is interesting that it is required for Sailing boat of this size, usually in Europe it is for commercial vessels above 24m, hence many fishermen asking for 23.95m boats!

Redouan

On 29 Nov 2017, at 08:42, seagasm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Don't get confused with Tonnes (metric) and Tons (imperial). Tonne is an alternate spelling used to describe a metric ton. It is almost never used in American English, but it is widely used outside of the United States. Again, a tonne, also known as a metric ton, is a unit of measurement equal to 1,000 kilograms. A tonne is larger than a U.S. ton.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM # 171


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

That's why I asked if it was US tons. A tonne and an imperial ton are very close. US tons, lighter. Like US gallons.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

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On 29 Nov 2017 18:42, "seagasm@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Don't get confused with Tonnes (metric) and Tons (imperial). Tonne is an alternate spelling used to describe a metric ton. It is almost never used in American English, but it is widely used outside of the United States. Again, a tonne, also known as a metric ton, is a unit of measurement equal to 1,000 kilograms. A tonne is larger than a U.S. ton.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM # 171


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

seagasm
 

Don't get confused with Tonnes (metric) and Tons (imperial). Tonne is an alternate spelling used to describe a metric ton. It is almost never used in American English, but it is widely used outside of the United States. Again, a tonne, also known as a metric ton, is a unit of measurement equal to 1,000 kilograms. A tonne is larger than a U.S. ton.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM # 171


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Follow on from my previous. That is way more than Amel specs.
Danny
Sm 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 29 Nov 2017 18:29, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Kimberlites stated tonnage on the USA Documentation is 25 net tons and 28 gross  tons.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

 

 

Hi, 

On the travel lift scales Ocean Pearl is 18 tonnes loaded, if the scales are correct.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 29 November 2017 at 09:21 "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Jeppe,

First congratulations on become the new owner of SM2K #464.
Must be one of the last one commissioned!

On my British Registry both “Gross” and “Net” Tonnage showed 27.03 Tons (76.49 Cubic Meres).
Quite frankly I don’t know if these number are accurate, but if it helps you I can email you the copy of that certificate.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Tue, 11/28/17, jej@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017, 1:41 PM


 









Dear SaoleileI have just become the owner
of SM464 and I also need to produce the calculations leading
to the gross/net  tonnage, so that the official measure can
make the International certificate of
tonnage.Have you recieved any info which can
help?Kind RegardsJeppe, SM464