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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gavin,

Once you head West at some point after the Canaries, my experience is that most of your wind will be between 150 Port and 150 Stbd. If you had a Mizzen staysail, it would be used at 90 degrees. My guess is your chute and code zero will not be too happy at this point of sail
​, unless poled-out​
​Your Atlantic crossing should be mostly downwind. You will likely experience opposing swell from NE and SW.​


I have sailed a 55. You should have both a User's and Owner's manual. Many of your questions can be answered by reading the manual and practice. I would estimate 3-5 days of practice in setting the pole, but remember the sea conditions on your passage will be more challenging. It is possible that you will cross the Atlantic with wind between +/- 150 degrees, no main, the genoa poled out and the mizzen on a preventer
​(mizzen when wind is at 150 degrees or less), ​
which came with your 55. We crossed with an Amel 55 and finished only 1 hour behind because the 55 crew couldn't set the pole. BTW, overall, out of 30 boats, the 55 finished first, we were second, and another SM third. All the other brand boats finished later, including an Amel Maramu which stopped for a few days in Verdes. 
​The 55 would have done much better if the crew had practiced setting the pole.​

You ask about chafe on pole lines, but have you considered the halyards? I recommend dropping all sails and possibly cutting about a foot from the top end of the halyard. The very top of that 
​halyard gets chafe from the sheaves and UV damage from the sun...don't cross an ocean without inspection.​

My advice to you is not to cross with the ARC, rather cross with the founder of the ARC, Jimmy Cornell, in his Atlantic Odyssey. The ARC will have 275 boats while Jimmy has a maximum of
​about ​
50 boats
​ because he wants to limit the size​
.
​The reputation of the ARC was established by Jimmy Cornell, the founder of the ARC and Atlantic Odyssey. ​
The
​ Atlantic Odyssey has many
 other advantages including less than half the cost. Let me know if you want more information on the Atlantic Odyssey. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Aug 22, 2017 4:49 AM, "Gavin Shaw gavingilmorelodge@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

We hope to cross this year with the ARC on an Amel 55 from 2012.

 

We are completely new to the boat and have not sailed an Amel before. We would therefore really appreciate advice from Amel 55 owners with ocean experience, particularly on these topics.

1.       The ideal trade wind rig with the apparent wind below 15 knots and the best reduced sail plan with a stronger wind. In addition to the standard cutter rig we have a cruising chute and a Code 0 on board.

2.       Any tips on setting up the pole for long term running to minimise chafe and wear on the pole and fittings?

3.       How best to rig a preventer on the mizzen boom when running?

4.       Should we consider a mizzen staysail, if so how best to rig it on the 55 which doesn’t seem to be set up for one?

5.       When should we use the forward staysail and whether it is safe to rig the running backstays with a tackle and integral jamming cleat like a sailing dinghy mainsheet? (To avoid blocking the secondary winch on the windward side)

6.       I don’t think we have a storm jib or trysail but imagine we should use the forward staysail and deeply reefed main in heavy weather. Do we need additional heavy weather sails?

7.       Our fridge and freezer are not working properly. The freezer struggles to reach -5C and the fridge achieves no cooling at all.They are Frigoboat units with keel coolers, made by Veco. The boat is currently in Golfe Juan where the local service company seem unable to fix them. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks for experienced input on any of these topics.

Gavin



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

John Clark
 

Hi Gavin,
    Congratulations on the purchase. I spent almost a year looking at Amels and traveling near and far to visit.   At one point I had planned on buying a Super Maramu in Europe which was in sail off condition.  I actually had lined up crew for a transatlantic but the deal fell through.   I finally purchased a Super Maramu in Martinique, and I am now glad I purchased her close to an Amel service center(Le Marin) and also closer to my home in the US.

I have sailed her about 2700 nm so far and feel like I am still learning her sail plan characteristics.   I look back now and am grateful that I did not purchase a boat in Europe and then almost immediately embark on a crossing.   Playing around the islands and walking the boat (and crew) up to longer passages was definitely the way to go.  I would be cautious about doing a crossing straight off after purchase.  Maybe some other 55 owners would be able to help you with the crossing?

There is an Amel service center in Hyeres, about 100 or so nm from where you are now.  I would suggest contacting them and sailing to Hyeres to allow them to take a look at the boat. Their technicians may have better insight into the refrigeration issues.   I had the Amel technicians in Le Marin walk through my boat and inspect my spare parts and pretty much gave me a "free survey."  They recommended several items be serviced and provided me with a list of common wearable parts I should keep in inventory.  Another reason for you to meet them is that they should be able to provide you with an Amel recommended/intended sail plan for the 55.  The SM has a detailed guide for how to and when to run with the different sails and configurations, I am sure there exists a similar guide for the 55.

On refrigeration, I have not yet met a refrigeration/air conditioning technician that is worth a darn.  At purchase time all the AC units on my SM were non-functioning.  The previous owner had gotten repair quotes from several shops in Martinique, all of which recommended complete replacement of all units at a cost of over 12,000 eur.  I spent a bit of time on the Amel Forum  and tinkering with the units and found  a bad capacitor (big surprise), sea water supply run in parallel rather than series(sw flow was unregulated between the units causing unpredictable behavior), a clogged sea water hose(caused one unit to trip on high pressure after 10 seconds, which was confusing since we had water flowing out the thru-hull...now explained by the parallel sw routing which masked the no flow situation), and finally a broken refrigerant line(vibration fatigue failure.)  I replaced the capacitors, sea water hoses and one complete unit with a new self contained model.  Less than $1500 USD, and now I type this email in a 68F (20C) salon while it is 92F(33C) outside.  Refrigeration technicians in my experience tend to very quickly throw their hands up and report the whole unit need to be replaced if they cannot find an obvious fault.  If you don't have the inclination to tinker, then try the Amel service center, at least there, there will be technicians with some experience on your system to help.

                                Regards,   John


John Clark
SV Annie  SM 37
cruising Pamlico Sound
  

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Gavin Shaw gavingilmorelodge@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We hope to cross this year with the ARC on an Amel 55 from 2012.

 

We are completely new to the boat and have not sailed an Amel before. We would therefore really appreciate advice from Amel 55 owners with ocean experience, particularly on these topics.

1.       The ideal trade wind rig with the apparent wind below 15 knots and the best reduced sail plan with a stronger wind. In addition to the standard cutter rig we have a cruising chute and a Code 0 on board.

2.       Any tips on setting up the pole for long term running to minimise chafe and wear on the pole and fittings?

3.       How best to rig a preventer on the mizzen boom when running?

4.       Should we consider a mizzen staysail, if so how best to rig it on the 55 which doesn’t seem to be set up for one?

5.       When should we use the forward staysail and whether it is safe to rig the running backstays with a tackle and integral jamming cleat like a sailing dinghy mainsheet? (To avoid blocking the secondary winch on the windward side)

6.       I don’t think we have a storm jib or trysail but imagine we should use the forward staysail and deeply reefed main in heavy weather. Do we need additional heavy weather sails?

7.       Our fridge and freezer are not working properly. The freezer struggles to reach -5C and the fridge achieves no cooling at all.They are Frigoboat units with keel coolers, made by Veco. The boat is currently in Golfe Juan where the local service company seem unable to fix them. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks for experienced input on any of these topics.

Gavin



Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

Gavin Shaw <gavingilmorelodge@...>
 

We hope to cross this year with the ARC on an Amel 55 from 2012.

 

We are completely new to the boat and have not sailed an Amel before. We would therefore really appreciate advice from Amel 55 owners with ocean experience, particularly on these topics.

1.       The ideal trade wind rig with the apparent wind below 15 knots and the best reduced sail plan with a stronger wind. In addition to the standard cutter rig we have a cruising chute and a Code 0 on board.

2.       Any tips on setting up the pole for long term running to minimise chafe and wear on the pole and fittings?

3.       How best to rig a preventer on the mizzen boom when running?

4.       Should we consider a mizzen staysail, if so how best to rig it on the 55 which doesn’t seem to be set up for one?

5.       When should we use the forward staysail and whether it is safe to rig the running backstays with a tackle and integral jamming cleat like a sailing dinghy mainsheet? (To avoid blocking the secondary winch on the windward side)

6.       I don’t think we have a storm jib or trysail but imagine we should use the forward staysail and deeply reefed main in heavy weather. Do we need additional heavy weather sails?

7.       Our fridge and freezer are not working properly. The freezer struggles to reach -5C and the fridge achieves no cooling at all.They are Frigoboat units with keel coolers, made by Veco. The boat is currently in Golfe Juan where the local service company seem unable to fix them. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks for experienced input on any of these topics.

Gavin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Ian Park
 

Ken,
EchoTec water makers are based in Chagueramas. They have a website and respond quickly to emails. You could check hoses and prices with them for a comparison. Don't know about comparability...
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN 96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

karkauai
 

The ones I got in Charleston were food grade, stainless wrapped, and only $35 each 8 years ago.
Kent

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ken,

It depends on which water maker and where the membranes were mounted at the time installed. It also depends on if the previous owner relocated anything. 

Every Dessalator water maker I have seen has 3/8 inch JIC fittings. 

Trinidad was four times the price that I found in Houston when I had 2 new hoses made for a 160 liter Dessalator water maker for SM#387. The company in Houston used hydraulic high pressure 1/2" hose with stainless steel crimped-on 3/8" JIC fittings. The original was 3/8" hose.  I bought 2 stainless steel 3/8" JIC elbows to make a neater install. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Aug 21, 2017 4:07 PM, "Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello All,

I was hoping that someone could tell me the length of the two high pressure hoses.  I have a SM2K built in 1999 and have the standard Dessalator water maker.   

Do they all have the 3/8 inch JIC fittings?  

I had my water maker serviced in St. Thomas (not happy with the service) and saw that the fittings were pitted.  The person doing the install just torqued it down until the leak stopped.  From the sounds the earlier post stating the correct torque of 17 to 19 pounds,  I should probably be looking to replace the high pressure hoses also.  

Is Trinidad a good place to get the hoses, or should I get them made in the US before returning to the boat in Trinidad?

Thanks,

Ken Powers
SM2K #262


On Monday, August 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Pat,

That is what they were on 387 when new. 

Best

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


   

On Aug 20, 2017 08:08, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

Hello All,

I was hoping that someone could tell me the length of the two high pressure hoses.  I have a SM2K built in 1999 and have the standard Dessalator water maker.   

Do they all have the 3/8 inch JIC fittings?  

I had my water maker serviced in St. Thomas (not happy with the service) and saw that the fittings were pitted.  The person doing the install just torqued it down until the leak stopped.  From the sounds the earlier post stating the correct torque of 17 to 19 pounds,  I should probably be looking to replace the high pressure hoses also.  

Is Trinidad a good place to get the hoses, or should I get them made in the US before returning to the boat in Trinidad?

Thanks,

Ken Powers
SM2K #262
sailingaquarius.com


On Monday, August 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Pat,

That is what they were on 387 when new. 

Best

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


   

On Aug 20, 2017 08:08, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

That is what they were on 387 when new. 

Best

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


   

On Aug 20, 2017 08:08, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I am surprised the fittings aren't metric. I don't know why I thought it had to be food grade hose, it will be easy to find normal hydraulic hose locally. 
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Aug 21, 2017 9:42 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

 
Pat, 

The original hose from Dessalator was normal hydraulic hose. I think that you are fine with it. 

I used hydraulic hose with machine-crimped stainless steel fittings. Mine had 3/8" JIC Stainless Fittings with, I believe 3/8" high pressure hose. You can use easier-to-find larger hose with your 3/8" fittings. Think about buying some stainless steel JIC "elbow" fittings to make the install neater.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970









On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:43 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I went to a hydraulic shop and had them make me the hoses with  swage fitted SS Aeroquip fittings.
They had food grade hose in stock. Impossible to leak.
Fair Winds\
Eric
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses
 
 
I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat, 

The original hose from Dessalator was normal hydraulic hose. I think that you are fine with it. 

I used hydraulic hose with machine-crimped stainless steel fittings. Mine had 3/8" JIC Stainless Fittings with, I believe 3/8" high pressure hose. You can use easier-to-find larger hose with your 3/8" fittings. Think about buying some stainless steel JIC "elbow" fittings to make the install neater.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970









On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:43 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I went to a hydraulic shop and had them make me the hoses with  swage fitted SS Aeroquip fittings.

They had food grade hose in stock. Impossible to leak.

Fair Winds\

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

 

 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

eric freedman
 

I went to a hydraulic shop and had them make me the hoses with  swage fitted SS Aeroquip fittings.

They had food grade hose in stock. Impossible to leak.

Fair Winds\

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

 

 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker hoses

karkauai
 

I got mine from a place in Charleston, SC. Look back at my posts and the info should be there.  If not call me and I'll see if I can find it on the boat.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:08 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123

Re: Watermaker hoses

greatketch@...
 

I have had to replace both high pressure hoses on my watermaker, and I used standard hydraulic hose.  I am pretty sure that between the RO membranes, and the carbon filters I use on the freshwater supply something else will kill me first...  Pretty sure.

There is also high pressure rated hose that is all plastic, no braided SS cover.  Works fine, just be really careful to protect it from chafe anywhere it touches anything.

For anyone who doesn't know:

According to every hydraulic guy I ever talked to, other than age, and stress cracking of the stainless fittings from salt, the biggest cause of failure of these fitting is over-tightening.  For many of these fittings the actual torque spec range is quite narrow. For 3/8" hose it is 17ft-lb min, 19 ft-lbs max.  That's a very tough spec range to meet by feel!

If you have a torque wrench that will fit, use it.  If not, do what I did, and practice with the torque wrench on a bolt several times until you know what the spec torque feels like before you crank these down with your standard wrenches.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass

Watermaker hoses

Patrick McAneny
 

I have tried to find a source locally for food grade hose clad in the stainless steel cover , but have not been able to find it. Is there someplace I could order/purchase this hose ? The fitting has a bad leak .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermaker Warning

John Clark
 

Thanks Eric,  I will be reassembling mine in a few months.  Definitely something to look at.
       Thx John
John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Cruising Pamlico Sound

On Aug 19, 2017 7:32 PM, "kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I was working on the watermaker and removed a few hoses. The
hose barbs snapped off on 2 connections. For some reason Amel used brass hose barbs instead of bronze ones. I inspected the others and they are all paper thin. Being that much of the watermaker is connected directly to the salt water manifold I could have had a flood on board if the barb just wore through. I have replaced them all with bronze.
 
Fair winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DC Grounding fault

Alan Leslie
 

Yes Eric, that's correct...that's what I am saying....and the connection is through my AIS Serial-USB converter and the laptop charger. Now I have installed a separate p0wer supply for the laptop, the problem has gone away.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Watermaker Warning

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DC Grounding fault

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DC Grounding fault

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Mark,

Similar to my situation, which is now resolved with a groundless DC supply for the laptop.
I think this issue would not occur if the AC and DC grounds were not connected at the Capleda AC pump.
In other words installing a March pump (no ground) in place of the Calpeda may solve the problem.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Down wind sail configuration

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Miles,

Sorry to log in on this topic so late but since most of the responses you received were from Supers and your Maramu has been re-rigged so as to not be easily adapted to the Amel downwind layout, I thought perhaps I could offer an alternative.

As brilliant at the double headsail setup on the SM is, it may not be the best approach.  There have been studies to indicate that having two headsails meet at the forestay with no gap is not optimal.  Having a gap between two headsails provides an escape for the build up of pressure which is advantageous for gusting conditions and provides some relief for the standing rigging without significant loss of drive.

On Libertad, we have a second headsail with an integral stay that is raised on one of our spinnaker halyards and poled out opposite to the poled out genoa.  The sail is cut so it doesn't need to be furled and the integral stay is relatively light ss wire because we don't fly it in any wind greater than 15 kts apparent.  This configuration closely mirrors the SM rig and provides a gap between the two headsails.  I suggest you don't overhaul your forestay/furling system when the same/similar result can be achieved with a custom headsail.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Ensenada, MX