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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sea water pump

Peter Forbes
 

Brilliant - thank you

Peter
Carango


On 17 May 2018, at 21:22, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Ahhh, trying to catch me in a mistake? I do make them, but not this time!

The Amel 54 has a distribution relay/power converter (Frigoboat E51385) that allows the connection of either 12VDC or 24VDC pumps.The issue is that this relay is connected to 12VDC output terminals on the Danfoss compressor controller. Output Terminals on The Danfoss are marked “+” and “F.” These terminals will will always be 12VDC, even if power supplied to compressors is 24V. Frigoboat states that either a 12VDC or 24VDC pump can be used. 



BTW, E51385 has been replaced by a simple relay(s). See following:




Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, you are talking about 12v pumps for refrigerator cooling systems.  Kristy has air-cooled compressors, all are 24v.  Are the 54s outfitted with 12v refrigerators?  If so, how are they powered?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On May 17, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I believe the complete number for Mark & Debbie Mueller "Brass Ring" posting is Flojet Flojet 4105-512. This is 12VDC with 3/4" close to 20mm hose barb fittings. Of course, on a 54, you can wire either a 12VDC, or a 24VDC pump to the pump controller. 


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:11 AM, brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

When we purchased our Amel it had two different Flojet pumps for the refrigeration system installed in the engine space.  I talked with Coastal Climate Control, they confirm the correct pump for the three Frigoboat systems delivered 1.5 GPM & and they recommended Flojet.  I purchased a Flojet model # 04105512A.  This pump is rated At 1.6 GPM and 1.2 A.  This is a series 4105 pump, I believe the suffix designates the fitting type shipped with the pump.  Mine were ¾” hose barb.  Hopefully, the data sheet is attached.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68  Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marine Insurance

Peter Forbes
 

We use Admiral in UK - CEO is Robert Holbrook.

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel 54#035
Azores


On 17 May 2018, at 23:52, Peter Bernhard peterbernhard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

September Song lives in the BVI. Anyone dealing with a reputable marine insurance company? If so, I’d love to get a name. Thanks.  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sea water pump

Peter Forbes
 

Dennis,

Thank you.

Peter 


On 17 May 2018, at 16:23, Denis Elborn delborn@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Peter,


As I said previously Penguin refrigeration in the UK sell them.

Denis
Aventura
54-113



On 17 May 2018, at 9:19 am, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


I feel such a fool! It must be the sun that has got to me - I asked about water pumps and mistakenly in my post asked about fresh water pumps - many people including Bill replied very kindly -

What I meant was the sea water pump for the fridges which seems to draw only 1 amp the only replacements I can find draw about 3-5 amps - I have asked Maud at Amel and she has none. Any ideas the pump is 12v draws 1 amp amp pumps 6 litres of salt water per minute. Does anyone know if the associated circuitry including the frigoboat distribution box can take 3 amps - I guess not as got has a 2 amp fuse?

Peter

Peter Forbes
Amel 54#035 Carango
Azores en route to La Rochelle
00447836 209730


Re: Genoa Track screws or bolts

Gary Wells
 

I'm gonna stick this out there .. when we were in Martinique we had a nice discussion with our neighbor boat and also with the tech (Jean?) at Amel about this track/car issue. I looked at a boat that had indeed augered off the forward end of the retaining rails and it worked for him. The Amel guy said it was possible to loosen the stanchion at the forward end of the track and bend it out of the way without any undue stress on the lifeline railing.
I did not try this, and don't know if it's viable (I managed a solution in situation). but it seemed to make sense to me.

from Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio
Mykonos.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Ruedi,

 

Below in blue

 

Best Regards Teun

May 18, 2018   17:30:20

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 4:03 PM
To: Teun BAAS teun@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

 

 

Hi Teun

I'm writhing OFF THE GROUP.[Teun BAAS]  Sure – no problem.

 

What happens with your D3-110?[Teun BAAS]  When I came on board the next day when trying to start I had an electrical fire; most likely, according to 2 VOLVO mechanics, a wire chafed against the engine somewhere causing it to short.   It was not an old Engine; I guess 2009.[Teun BAAS]  Correct – only 3200 hrs. Problem is that VOLVO doesn’t have good diagnostic tools for the early generations D3 110. This means they follow the “next step” approach. Check this – if it doesn’t work then replace this/these part(s), still not working then replace the next part(s) in the chain and so on. So we spent close to USD15K on parts and labor and still it was NOT running and we had to order about USD13K on injectors, sensors etc. etc. plus labor and then still no assurance it would run. Next step thereafter would have been the 2 VOLVO computers.  So I decided to replace the engine.

Are you installing a brand new Volvo? [Teun BAAS]  Yes Same model?[Teun BAAS]  D3 110 H ; I had the D3 110 C  But that means it is NOW all electronic controls so we have to convert the ZF gear box so I used this window to have the gear box overhauled. Also the new engine was stock in SYDNEY but didn’t have the bracket for the 2nd alternator (24V) so that had to be ordered in BELGIUM and pully etc. from SWEDEN. This new version is laid out differently so we had to grind down 2 section of the AMEL engine mounting bracket in the engine room; apparently the new engine has a completely different fuel system resulting in more quiet running. More fuel efficient. I had the choice between 150HP or 110HP; I decided to stay with the 110HP.  All these engines, although they say VOLVO are basically AUDI/VW engines converted by VOLVO.

Excuse if I'm too curious.[Teun BAAS]  No problem – ask what you want to know.

Best regards 

Ruedi
Von meinem iPad gesendet


Am 18.05.2018 um 00:59 schrieb Teun BAAS teun@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Ruedi,

 

Just had this week a Sydney VOLVO mechanic on board to install the new engine.

 

I also had 1 “2 micron” filter on board while all the others were 10 micron;  he used that “2 micron” filter and told me that since my diesel was very clean it was no problem and I might as well use that filter now.

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT 54  #128

NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA

May 18, 2018   08:56:41

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 6:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

 

 

Hi all

 

I recently changes Racor fuel filter, which usually are 10-micron. Amel does recommend for the Racor Filter to use 10-micron as well.

I found spare parts from former owner; - same but 2-micron filters for Racor. 

Question: 

Does anyone ever used 2-micron (or  5-micron) instead of the 10-micron?

If yes, how it worked?

I can imagine that the 2-micron filters are too narrow and fuel flow will be affected. 

 

Best regards

Ruedi 

 

Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl

"SY WASABI"

Amel 54. #55

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Teun
I'm writhing OFF THE GROUP.

What happens with your D3-110? It was not an old Engine; I guess 2009.
Are you installing a brand new Volvo? Same model?
Excuse if I'm too curious.

Best regards 
Ruedi
Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 18.05.2018 um 00:59 schrieb Teun BAAS teun@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Ruedi,

 

Just had this week a Sydney VOLVO mechanic on board to install the new engine.

 

I also had 1 “2 micron” filter on board while all the others were 10 micron;  he used that “2 micron” filter and told me that since my diesel was very clean it was no problem and I might as well use that filter now.

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT 54  #128

NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA

May 18, 2018   08:56:41

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 6:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

 

 

Hi all

 

I recently changes Racor fuel filter, which usually are 10-micron. Amel does recommend for the Racor Filter to use 10-micron as well.

I found spare parts from former owner; - same but 2-micron filters for Racor. 

Question: 

Does anyone ever used 2-micron (or  5-micron) instead of the 10-micron?

If yes, how it worked?

I can imagine that the 2-micron filters are too narrow and fuel flow will be affected. 

 

Best regards

Ruedi 

 

Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl

"SY WASABI"

Amel 54. #55

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Thank you Eric and Teun, - so it works with clean and/or pre-filtered Diesel.
Ruedi

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 18.05.2018 um 03:41 schrieb eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I have been using a 2 micron filter since Kimberlite was made. We now have 5000+ hours on the engine.
I do use a fuel pre filter before the fuel goes into the tank.
Fair Winds,
Eric 
Kimberlite SM 376



On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 05:59 PM, Teun BAAS teun@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Ruedi,

 

Just had this week a Sydney VOLVO mechanic on board to install the new engine.

 

I also had 1 “2 micron” filter on board while all the others were 10 micron;  he used that “2 micron” filter and told me that since my diesel was very clean it was no problem and I might as well use that filter now.

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT 54  #128

NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA

May 18, 2018   08:56:41

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 6:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

 

 

Hi all

 

I recently changes Racor fuel filter, which usually are 10-micron. Amel does recommend for the Racor Filter to use 10-micron as well.

I found spare parts from former owner; - same but 2-micron filters for Racor. 

Question: 

Does anyone ever used 2-micron (or  5-micron) instead of the 10-micron?

If yes, how it worked?

I can imagine that the 2-micron filters are too narrow and fuel flow will be affected. 

 

Best regards

Ruedi 

 

Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl

"SY WASABI"

Amel 54. #55

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

eric freedman
 


Marine Insurance

Peter Bernhard <peterbernhard@...>
 

September Song lives in the BVI. Anyone dealing with a reputable marine insurance company? If so, I’d love to get a name. Thanks.  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Ruedi,

 

Just had this week a Sydney VOLVO mechanic on board to install the new engine.

 

I also had 1 “2 micron” filter on board while all the others were 10 micron;  he used that “2 micron” filter and told me that since my diesel was very clean it was no problem and I might as well use that filter now.

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT 54  #128

NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA

May 18, 2018   08:56:41

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 6:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

 

 

Hi all

 

I recently changes Racor fuel filter, which usually are 10-micron. Amel does recommend for the Racor Filter to use 10-micron as well.

I found spare parts from former owner; - same but 2-micron filters for Racor. 

Question: 

Does anyone ever used 2-micron (or  5-micron) instead of the 10-micron?

If yes, how it worked?

I can imagine that the 2-micron filters are too narrow and fuel flow will be affected. 

 

Best regards

Ruedi 

 

Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl

"SY WASABI"

Amel 54. #55

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sea water pump

 

Kent,

Ahhh, trying to catch me in a mistake? I do make them, but not this time!

The Amel 54 has a distribution relay/power converter (Frigoboat E51385) that allows the connection of either 12VDC or 24VDC pumps.The issue is that this relay is connected to 12VDC output terminals on the Danfoss compressor controller. Output Terminals on The Danfoss are marked “+” and “F.” These terminals will will always be 12VDC, even if power supplied to compressors is 24V. Frigoboat states that either a 12VDC or 24VDC pump can be used. 



BTW, E51385 has been replaced by a simple relay(s). See following:




Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, you are talking about 12v pumps for refrigerator cooling systems.  Kristy has air-cooled compressors, all are 24v.  Are the 54s outfitted with 12v refrigerators?  If so, how are they powered?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On May 17, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I believe the complete number for Mark & Debbie Mueller "Brass Ring" posting is Flojet Flojet 4105-512. This is 12VDC with 3/4" close to 20mm hose barb fittings. Of course, on a 54, you can wire either a 12VDC, or a 24VDC pump to the pump controller. 


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:11 AM, brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

When we purchased our Amel it had two different Flojet pumps for the refrigeration system installed in the engine space.  I talked with Coastal Climate Control, they confirm the correct pump for the three Frigoboat systems delivered 1.5 GPM & and they recommended Flojet.  I purchased a Flojet model # 04105512A.  This pump is rated At 1.6 GPM and 1.2 A.  This is a series 4105 pump, I believe the suffix designates the fitting type shipped with the pump.  Mine were ¾” hose barb.  Hopefully, the data sheet is attached.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68  Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa Track screws or bolts

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I will have a go at that , looking for an option to grinding away the track.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa Track screws or bolts

 
Hi Pat. When I did mine I took the screws out of the Stancheon base and it easily pushed sideways enough to get the slide off.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean pearl

On 18 May 2018 at 05:49 "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
 
I have my new bearings and need to remove the car from the track. Is the track bolted or screwed down.I tried to back out a screw and it did not budge and started to strip. I was thinking I could cut vertically a section out and then screw it back down , leaving only two narrow cuts. I could also just make one cut say 6 inches from the end and take out the last fasteners. It would have been nice if Amel had made the track a few inches shorter with a stop on the end.
Than ks,
Pat
SM#123
 

 

 


? 2-micron Racor fuel filters?

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi all

 

I recently changes Racor fuel filter, which usually are 10-micron. Amel does recommend for the Racor Filter to use 10-micron as well.

I found spare parts from former owner; - same but 2-micron filters for Racor. 

Question: 

Does anyone ever used 2-micron (or  5-micron) instead of the 10-micron?

If yes, how it worked?

I can imagine that the 2-micron filters are too narrow and fuel flow will be affected. 

 

Best regards

Ruedi 

 

Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl

"SY WASABI"

Amel 54. #55



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa Track screws or bolts

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pat. When I did mine I took the screws out of the Stancheon base and it easily pushed sideways enough to get the slide off.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl


On 18 May 2018 at 05:49 "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I have my new bearings and need to remove the car from the track. Is the track bolted or screwed down.I tried to back out a screw and it did not budge and started to strip. I was thinking I could cut vertically a section out and then screw it back down , leaving only two narrow cuts. I could also just make one cut say 6 inches from the end and take out the last fasteners. It would have been nice if Amel had made the track a few inches shorter with a stop on the end.

Thanks,

Pat

SM#123

 


 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Propshaft WOB & Speedi-Sleeves

karkauai
 

Thanks again Craig, much easier than I envisioned.  To quote my hero and an Amel owner and engineer “Easy Peasy”. Looking forward to seeing you this fall.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On May 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent - Leave the flange on the first sleeve and install it. Now clip the flange of the second sleeve down to the break-off groove that's machined into each sleeve. Your basic diagonal cutting pliers work nicely.  Now install the second sleeve, pushing it up close to the first one. Finally, just use a needle-nose pliers to peel off the flange. The SKF directions and web-site cover all. No grinding or cutting needed, although I suppose you could smooth the flange edge a bit with a Dremel if it's rough, but it probably won't hurt anything.


On my last haul out a month ago I used a new WOB I had from Amel and did it the "Amel way" with first two seals facing in and third seal facing water. Will check in with Jose in two or three years and see how his experiment works with first two out and last one in. Then may get a 17-4 stainless WOB made, or Amel may get around to supplying the "experimental" model as standard or Jose's way may carry the day!

Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris, Ft Pierce, FL




---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Thank you, Craig.  Are you still using SpeediSleeves?
How did you remove the lip/flange?  I’m envisioning either grinding it off or cutting it off with a Dremel tool. 

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On May 16, 2018, at 9:12 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Yep, as I said in my post I did try the Speedi Sleeves. Wasn't happy that you have to use two to get the width you need, so you're left with bit of a burr when you remove the lip of the 2nd sleeve that seemed it could snag the lip seals as you slide them in. They did not wear out, though, like the WOB, just faint surface lines that passed the "fingernail test".
No problem with the 17-4 recommended by the SKF engineer. It's corrosion resistant and can he hardened up to Rc 40. 316 is only about 20 Rc.
Craig



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

The Speedi-Sleeves, Craig.
I also wonder if the 17-4 SS would corrode over a 2-3 year time period.  

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

Tried which, Kent? The SpeediSleeves or the 17-4 stainless WOB?
Craig


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sea water pump

karkauai
 

Bill, you are talking about 12v pumps for refrigerator cooling systems.  Kristy has air-cooled compressors, all are 24v.  Are the 54s outfitted with 12v refrigerators?  If so, how are they powered?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On May 17, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I believe the complete number for Mark & Debbie Mueller "Brass Ring" posting is Flojet Flojet 4105-512. This is 12VDC with 3/4" close to 20mm hose barb fittings. Of course, on a 54, you can wire either a 12VDC, or a 24VDC pump to the pump controller. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:11 AM, brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

When we purchased our Amel it had two different Flojet pumps for the refrigeration system installed in the engine space.  I talked with Coastal Climate Control, they confirm the correct pump for the three Frigoboat systems delivered 1.5 GPM & and they recommended Flojet.  I purchased a Flojet model # 04105512A.  This pump is rated At 1.6 GPM and 1.2 A.  This is a series 4105 pump, I believe the suffix designates the fitting type shipped with the pump.  Mine were ¾” hose barb.  Hopefully, the data sheet is attached.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68  Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Travel on the US East Coast

karkauai
 

Hope you make it up to St Michaels, Bill.  Would love to put a face on that name.  Maybe at the Rendezvous?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa Track screws or bolts

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Pat,

May be the 2 following illustration will help you.
http://www.nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
and
http://www.nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

I say “may be” because I recently went on an earlier SM and it did not seem having the necessary space to add the track (which is what you mention on your post).

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 5/17/18, sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa Track screws or bolts
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2018, 12:49 PM


 









I have my new bearings and need to
remove the car from the track. Is the track bolted or
screwed down.I tried to back out a screw and it did not
budge and started to strip. I was thinking I could cut
vertically a section out and then screw it back down ,
leaving only two narrow cuts. I could also just make one cut
say 6 inches from the end and take out the last fasteners.
It would have been nice if Amel had made the track a few
inches shorter with a stop on the
end.Thanks,PatSM#123


Genoa Track screws or bolts

Patrick McAneny
 

I have my new bearings and need to remove the car from the track. Is the track bolted or screwed down.I tried to back out a screw and it did not budge and started to strip. I was thinking I could cut vertically a section out and then screw it back down , leaving only two narrow cuts. I could also just make one cut say 6 inches from the end and take out the last fasteners. It would have been nice if Amel had made the track a few inches shorter with a stop on the end.

Thanks,

Pat

SM#123


Re: Travel on the US East Coast

Paul Osterberg
 

Mark and Debbie
Hello, we cruised US East coast from Norfolk to Nantucket last year. It was a very nice trip. On our blogg sykerpa.com you can see where we were and our impression 
This year we aim to cruise from The Chesapeake Bay up to Maine and if weather and time allows we will also go to Nova Scotia 
Paul on Kerpa SM 259

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