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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engines not starting

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, No , but I switched out the battery and used one of my 12v house batteries that are kept fully charged . However I guess it could be possible to have two bad batteries. Is it possible for a battery to show 12.6v and still have a bad cell ?


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:12 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engines not starting

 
Have you load tested the starter battery?

Steve
Aloha SM72

On Jul 25, 2017, at 09:03, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the engine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. Below is what I determined last night ;
Neither engine will start.
Battery shows 12.6 V
Have 12.6 V at both solenoids   
Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches
When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.
After that V oltage only measures 11. 8
After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly
Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen
Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.
The glow plug lite does not even come on.
fuse is good on back side of Gen.
Solenoids don't click
Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines 
My understanding is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?
Both engines would not share this switch , would they.
Do both engines share t he same ground?
To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids 

Any thoughts on what to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

SM Survey

volkmann@...
 

Hi, are there any good suryeyors gor Amel SM in northern Europe? What is the difference of the Red Line models? Thank you in advance 


Uwe

Amel Maramu

SY Kerbian

Re: Engines not starting

John Clark
 

Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.
  Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:

1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making good contact.  I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm.    A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load,  but when you try to start there  is not enough current to do anything.  

2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines.  When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8,  was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?   

 If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the battery.  That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery.  But you already tried a different battery.  Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?  

I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my starting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.

  Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston SC


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the engine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. Below is what I determined last night ;
Neither engine will start.
Battery shows 12.6 V
Have 12.6 V at both solenoids   
Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches
When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.
After that Voltage only measures 11. 8
After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly
Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen
Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.
The glow plug lite does not even come on.
fuse is good on back side of Gen.
Solenoids don't click
Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines 
My understanding is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?
Both engines would not share this switch , would they.
Do both engines share the same ground?
To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids 

Any thoughts on what to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engines not starting

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

Check the following in order of probability:
  1. Load-test starting battery, or use the digital tester
  2. Check the connections on the starting battery...coat with corrosionX
  3. Coat all of the contacts on the two main battery switches
  4. Check all battery to engine connections
  5. Check starter and starter solenoid.
  6. Check the key switch (probably not this)
I am betting it is one of the first 3.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engines not starting

Stephen Davis
 

Have you load tested the starter battery?

Steve
Aloha SM72

On Jul 25, 2017, at 09:03, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the engine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. Below is what I determined last night ;

Neither engine will start.
Battery shows 12.6 V
Have 12.6 V at both solenoids   
Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches
When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.
After that Voltage only measures 11. 8
After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly
Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen
Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.
The glow plug lite does not even come on.
fuse is good on back side of Gen.
Solenoids don't click
Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines 
My understanding is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?
Both engines would not share this switch , would they.
Do both engines share the same ground?
To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids 

Any thoughts on what to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

Engines not starting

Patrick McAneny
 

For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the engine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. Below is what I determined last night ;
Neither engine will start.
Battery shows 12.6 V
Have 12.6 V at both solenoids   
Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches
When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.
After that Voltage only measures 11. 8
After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly
Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen
Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.
The glow plug lite does not even come on.
fuse is good on back side of Gen.
Solenoids don't click
Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines 
My understanding is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?
Both engines would not share this switch , would they.
Do both engines share the same ground?
To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids 

Any thoughts on what to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

leaking 3 way valve in desalator prefilter

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all

we are re commissioning the Desalator Duo D100 watermaker and we found that the 3-way valve upstream from the pre-filter is leaking. With less puzzling and worrying consequences than in Duane's case back in April (fresh water in generator), but still. In the raw water position, the valve leaks fresh water into the raw water system to the tune of 1 freshwater pump cycle every 10 secs or so, so very significant. In the shut position, it still seems to show a small leak, one cycle every few hours maybe. I can prevent the raw water pump from doing those unwanted cycle by closing the freshwater 2-way valve just upstream of the 3-way valve.

Now, I believe all was fine with the 3-way valve until I operated it and changed the pre-filter cartridge. Before that, it was in the raw water position (the now very leaky position). I didn't notice the leak until after I replaced the filter, but it could have developed solely due to me operating it. I replaced the filter leaving as much water in the container as possible to minimise air bubbles in the circuit and also flushed the system with fresh water.

Where it may be of interest to the group: I read people were surprised with those valves failing that way, and that there may be conditions of pressure differentials in the outlets that may cause the ball to un-sit and allow flows to mix. 

Any advice about the situation? Do people believe the valve has just gone bad all of a sudden, or is there something I can do besides changing it?

Fair winds and fresh water to all,

Thomas

--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
At anchor near Hyeres, France

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Want Amel 46

sebastien aubouin
 

I think there is a 46 in Deal MD for sale. Check Yacht World.

Sebastien

On Jul 24, 2017 1:52 PM, "Awilson275 awilson275@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

My name is Andy Wilson.  I live in Annapolis Md. USA.  I want to buy an Amel 46.  I have been looking and have found two boats.  Both are in the Caribbean.  One is in Martinique named Rascasse II and the other is in St. Martin named Shortlist.  Shortlist needs much work (maybe too much for the price) and I don't know yet about the other one.  Both are German Flag.  Does anyone know either of these boats ?  Does anyone know of other Amel 46's available that are not actively advertised.  I don't mind boat repair/rejuvenation  but the price should accurately represent the vessel.  Thanks Andy 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing nav center stool

John Clark
 

Hi All,
   Yes got under the floor and it appears to be a fiberglass tube glassed into the hull.  From the appearance I think it is the  original install.   No fasteners that I could find.

On Jul 24, 2017 4:20 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,

Did you try to reach it from underneath through the floor storage locker?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing nav center stool

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

John,

Did you try to reach it from underneath through the floor storage locker?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing nav center stool

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

On the Maramu, I believe the seat is removable so that it can be placed in the aft cabin.
I looked several time at mine and I don't think it is removable.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



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On Mon, 7/24/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing nav center stool
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, July 24, 2017, 2:50 PM


 









John,
Have you removed
the seat? I am not sure, but, I seem remember
a nut on a piece of threaded stainless steel...maybe that
was another boat.
Best,
CW Bill
RouseAdmiral, Texas
NavyCommander
EmeritusAmel
School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie
StGalveston
Island, TX 77550+1(832)
380-4970


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at
1:57 PM, greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









John,
I
am pretty sure that post is glassed in.  It certainly does
not lift out, and I have not seen any other mode of
attachment.  That makes it really, really secure--and very
difficult to remove.
Why
do you want to remove it?
Bill
KinneySM160,
HarmonieGloucester,
Mass

---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com, <john.biohead@...> wrote :

Hi
All,  Can anyone enlighten me on how to
lift the metal out of the floor that holds the stool at the
navigation center?  It is mounted in a tube
fiberglassed to the hull under the floor, and won't turn
or budge when
lifted.  I cannot find
any set screws or other locking device.
Regards,  
John
John ClarkSV Annie SM
37Charleston,
SC

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing nav center stool

John Clark
 

Hi Bill,
   Sure did.  I removed the seat hoping there might be a bolt at the top but no luck.  
I'm going to keep mulling over it before I get a bigger hammer.  

On Jul 24, 2017 2:29 PM, "john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,

  Can anyone enlighten me on how to lift the metal out of the floor that holds the stool at the navigation center?

  It is mounted in a tube fiberglassed to the hull under the floor, and won't turn or budge when lifted.  I cannot find any set screws or other locking device.


Regards,   John


John Clark

SV Annie SM 37

Charleston, SC

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Removing nav center stool

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

John,

Have you removed the seat? I am not sure, but, I seem remember a nut on a piece of threaded stainless steel...maybe that was another boat.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:57 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,

I am pretty sure that post is glassed in.  It certainly does not lift out, and I have not seen any other mode of attachment.  That makes it really, really secure--and very difficult to remove.

Why do you want to remove it?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Gloucester, Mass

---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi All,

  Can anyone enlighten me on how to lift the metal out of the floor that holds the stool at the navigation center?

  It is mounted in a tube fiberglassed to the hull under the floor, and won't turn or budge when lifted.  I cannot find any set screws or other locking device.


Regards,   John


John Clark

SV Annie SM 37

Charleston, SC

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Want Amel 46

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Andy,

Without a doubt and without any hesitation, you should call Ric Gottschalk. He owns Bali Hai SN 24. The boat is in the Chesapeake. Ric is at 410-923-5800.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Want Amel 46

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Andy,

Call me. I have an Amel 1990 Santorin 46. I live in the Annapolis area. It is the most complete, updated, cleanest boat you will likely ever  find.  Let’s talk.

Ric Gottschalk

Bali Hai SN 24

Annapolis

Office 410-923-5800

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Want Amel 46

 

 

My name is Andy Wilson.  I live in Annapolis Md. USA.  I want to buy an Amel 46.  I have been looking and have found two boats.  Both are in the Caribbean.  One is in Martinique named Rascasse II and the other is in St. Martin named Shortlist.  Shortlist needs much work (maybe too much for the price) and I don't know yet about the other one.  Both are German Flag.  Does anyone know either of these boats ?  Does anyone know of other Amel 46's available that are not actively advertised.  I don't mind boat repair/rejuvenation  but the price should accurately represent the vessel.  Thanks Andy 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Want Amel 46

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Andy,

Welcome.  Below is a list of Amel 46’s Maramus in YW.  Not everything that glitters is gold… however, in EU, Michel Charpentier is top notch.  Check the listing as there should be 1 or more listed with him… he will not list bad boats.

Good luck!

On 24 Jul 2017, at 18:52, Awilson275 awilson275@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My name is Andy Wilson.  I live in Annapolis Md. USA.  I want to buy an Amel 46.  I have been looking and have found two boats.  Both are in the Caribbean.  One is in Martinique named Rascasse II and the other is in St. Martin named Shortlist.  Shortlist needs much work (maybe too much for the price) and I don't know yet about the other one.  Both are German Flag.  Does anyone know either of these boats ?  Does anyone know of other Amel 46's available that are not actively advertised.  I don't mind boat repair/rejuvenation  but the price should accurately represent the vessel.  Thanks Andy 



Re: Removing nav center stool

greatketch@...
 

John,

I am pretty sure that post is glassed in.  It certainly does not lift out, and I have not seen any other mode of attachment.  That makes it really, really secure--and very difficult to remove.

Why do you want to remove it?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Gloucester, Mass

---In amelyachtowners@..., <john.biohead@...> wrote :

Hi All,

  Can anyone enlighten me on how to lift the metal out of the floor that holds the stool at the navigation center?

  It is mounted in a tube fiberglassed to the hull under the floor, and won't turn or budge when lifted.  I cannot find any set screws or other locking device.


Regards,   John


John Clark

SV Annie SM 37

Charleston, SC

 

Removing nav center stool

John Clark
 

Hi All,

  Can anyone enlighten me on how to lift the metal out of the floor that holds the stool at the navigation center?

  It is mounted in a tube fiberglassed to the hull under the floor, and won't turn or budge when lifted.  I cannot find any set screws or other locking device.


Regards,   John


John Clark

SV Annie SM 37

Charleston, SC

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] No battery charge from 24 V alternater

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Bill,

Thanks a lot for your reply.
I fixed it. It was field wire broken.  I misconnected it at first.

Vladimir Sonsev
Tel/Text: 202 258 1916


On Jul 24, 2017 9:32 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Vladimir,

  1. I am sure that you realize that you are probably measuring battery bank voltage at the alternator. 
  2. I​
    f you have the OEM Leece-Neville alternator, the
    ​ regulator is built into the alternator.
  3. Also there is an external relay on the excite wire that is also connected to the alternator alarm.
Maybe this information will help you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Vladimir,
Are you measuring voltage at engine idle?  I found my alternator did not charge unless rpm was at about 1500 or more.  At that point it puts out 27 volts.   
Ben

Ben and Gayle 
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Ban,

You are correct. My problem started with broken field wire. I reconnected the wire. Perhaps loose wire made a short on the alternator body.
Alternator is not charging, but I measure 25v on alternator black and red wires.

SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
Vladimir Sonsev
Tel/Text: 202 258 1916


On Jul 23, 2017 8:25 PM, "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Vladimir
I had similar situation.  Look closely at small field wires on alternator.  You may find loose or corroded connections.  I think this is very common with older boats.  My bad connection was barely visible.  On my hands and knees looking under alternator I discovered corroded  connection . 
Ben

Ben and Gayle 
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347 

On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:15 PM, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

My alternator stopped charging the battery. It looks like alternator is OK. I measured voltage on black and red wires comming from the alternator at 25v at 750 engine RPM. At low RPM the alternator red light is no longer on. Is there a schematics or wiring diagram for 24 v alternator, and regulator?
Please advise troubleshooting steps.

Vladimir
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


Want Amel 46

Awilson275 <awilson275@...>
 

My name is Andy Wilson.  I live in Annapolis Md. USA.  I want to buy an Amel 46.  I have been looking and have found two boats.  Both are in the Caribbean.  One is in Martinique named Rascasse II and the other is in St. Martin named Shortlist.  Shortlist needs much work (maybe too much for the price) and I don't know yet about the other one.  Both are German Flag.  Does anyone know either of these boats ?  Does anyone know of other Amel 46's available that are not actively advertised.  I don't mind boat repair/rejuvenation  but the price should accurately represent the vessel.  Thanks Andy