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Switches in the walk-through on a Maramu

Jacob Champness
 

Hi all.


We're making slow but steady progress toward launching Lark at the end storm season.  Would anyone be able to shed some light on the function of these switches in the walk-through on this old girl? 


I think the top red one might be for the bow thruster?  The strange thing is that the back side of it has not just 1 red and black wire coming out of it, but 2 each.  Not sure what that's about.


I guess the ROLL-FOC must be the jib furler, and the RADIO must be the old SSB radio-telephone.


What is function of the large switch in the middle (labeled NORMAL, CHARGE, SECOURS)? Does it switch between the house and starter banks?  As in CHARGE would be the starter bank, NORMAL would be the house bank, and SECOURS would be both?  


What about the big black handle?  I have no idea what that's for.


Apologies for the n00b questions, and thanks for any input!


Jacob Champness

Lark, Maramu #202

St Martin



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

Since you are leaving in a little bit, making it short:
Here is what I did:

I completely removed the unit (I will make an illustration later on of the removal process).

I connected the air conditioning unit in the cockpit to a shore power (this way it won’t trip my boat all the time).
Here is what I find out:

When I connect the harness going to the compressor, the power trips right away.
So I disconnected the harness going to the compressor and it did not trip.
In one of your email, you mention if there is a short in the compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other test to do?

Also, I did another test (not connecting the compressor harness) but connecting the harness to the fan (and control), the power did not trip, but the fan was not turning (even thought I was measuring electricity at the fan plug).
So looks to me the fan is also dead…

Some pictures of the above tests:
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06 AM


 









Hi Alexandre,
I will be at sea either this afternoon or
tomorrow..
Please reply to WB2cwd@....
Fair winds,
Eric


----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good morning Bill &
Eric,
> Thanks for your continuous
support.
> I will keep you posted of
what I find.
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill,
> Cant Hurt.
> Eric
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"'Bill &
> Judy
Rouse'
>
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
"amelyachtowners@..."
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > I would like to test
> those capacitors...I think that they might

> > charge when
>
> power
> goes to the control unit. Of
course his problem could be
> >
anything,but I had his exact problem and
> changing out the
>
> Compressor RUN
> Capacitor
> > (40uf) solved the issue.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue,
Jun 27,
> 2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@...
> >
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > > Bill,
> > > when the thermostat is in the
neutral
> position there is no AC
> > going to
> the
> > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
> would not make any difference.
> > >
> Fair
Winds,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
-----
> Original Message -----
> > > From:
>
"'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
Date:
> Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> > >
> Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
>
> > Tripping 220
> > >
> Volt Panel
Fuse & marina
> > > To:
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > >
> > >
> I
> think Eric is right and I think
that the first thing I
> would
> > > > do is
>
> > > replace the two capacitors I
> mentioned earlier.
>
> > >
> > > > Best,
> > >
> >
> > > > Bill Rouse
> > > >
> >
> >
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30
AM,
> kimberlite@...
> > > >
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > with the switch In
neutral
> position the AC unit is off.
I
> > >
> >
would suspect a
> > > > >
> short in the wiring somewhere. it could be
anywhere.
> > > > > Good
luck,
> > > > > Eric
> >
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original
Message
> -----
> >
> > > From:
> "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@...
>
> > > [amelyachtowners]">
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
> > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> Air Conditioning
> >
> > Tripping
> 220
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> & marina
> >
> > > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
forward air conditioning without problem.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
> Conditioning with the
>
> > > >
> > switch in
neutral position (neither cold not hot) and
>
> > right away
> > >
> > >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
> (as well
> > as
the
> >
> > >
> > marina).
> > > >
> > > What does that tell you?
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > On Tue,
6/27/17,
> kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > >
>
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
there is a switch and
> thermostat by
each AC unit. when
> > >
> > > > the switch is in neutral
position does the
> breaker still
> > > > > > trip?
> if not does it trip when the switch is in
the heat
> > > > > >
position?
> > > > > > To
discharge the
> capacitor take a wire
with insulated
> >
> > > > > alligator clips put
one clip on the body
> of the pump or
case
> > > > > >
> and the other clip to a lug of the
capacitor.
> > > > > >
Fair winds,
> > > > > >
Eric
> > > > > > -----
Original Message
> -----
> > > > > > From:
> "Alexandre Uster von
> > > >
> >
> Baar uster@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
7:55 am
> > > > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> > > >
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> Good morning John, Mark,
> > > > >
>
> Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > your replies,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on what
you
> wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead
> >
> >
> > > > compressor…
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > > “discharge
them”
> prior
> >
> > > > > to
> testing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric, I
did
> not
> > >
> > > really
> understand the:
“if the AC switch is off
> > >
> > > > at the thermostat
>
does it still trip the
> > > >
>
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Thanks in advance,
> sincerely,
Alexandre
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Mon,
6/26/17,
> kimberlite@...
> > > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
> Re:
> > > > > > [Amel Yacht
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > >
> > >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> > > > > > marina
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> > Date:
> > > >
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre.
> > > > > >
> if the AC switch
> is off at the
thermostat
> > > > >
> > does it still
>
> > > > >
> > trip the
breaker?
> > > > >
> > > The breaker on the AC panel side
is a
> > > > > > quick
blow
> > > > > > >
circuit breaker,
> If there is
> > > > > > a short
> it will
> > >
> > > > trip
> before the
> > > > > >
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> thermostat and the circuit still trips the
breaker,
> > > > > > >
Check the
> continuity of the compressor
to
> > >
> >
> > ground. If
> > > >
> > > > there is a short to
ground
> > > > > > the
compressor is
> dead.
> > > > > > > Fair
> Winds,
> > > >
> > > Eric
> > > > >
> > sm 376
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
----- Original
> > > > > >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> > From:
> > > > >
> "Alexandre
> > > >
> > > Uster von
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Baar
> uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
> > > Date: Monday,
> June 26,
2017 5:19 pm
> > > > >
> > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
> > > > > > Air
> > > > > > >
Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > >
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > >
>
> > To:
> > > > >
>
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> Today, I hear
the
> > > > > >
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping
(the
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > behind
the
> panel).
> >
> > > > > >
> I
> > > > > > > found out
> the
> > > >
> > fuse of the
> marina also
trip.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> After running
tests,
> > > > >
> > > the cause is the Aft Cabin
Air
> > > > > >
Conditioning
> > > > > >
> > (which I
> have been
> > > > > > using non
> stop for 9
> > >
> > > >
> days).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
Running
> > > > > > >
the salon does
> not trip anything.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> What could
> > > > > > be the
> cause?
> > > >
> > > >
> How to
diagnostic
> > > > > >
> and solve the issue?
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > Did I use too much
> > > > >
>
> > the air conditioning?
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > How come the
>
> > > > >
> > Diruptor
did not
> > > > >
> > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina
fuse?
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> Sincerely,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > SM2K
#289
> NIKIMAT
> >
> > > > > >
> Port de
Gustavia, Saint
> > > > >
> > Barthélémy,
>
> > > > >
> > FWI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Eric,

My email is: uster@...

going to write something in a few minutes

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:11 AM


 









Hi Alexandre,
Please send your email address to Kimberlite@....
I need to send you an email to you before the system
will allow you to send me emails to me.
I do not have your address on this computer.
Fair Winds,
eric

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good morning Bill &
Eric,
> Thanks for your continuous
support.
> I will keep you posted of
what I find.
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill,
> Cant Hurt.
> Eric
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"'Bill &
> Judy
Rouse'
>
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
"amelyachtowners@..."
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > I would like to test
> those capacitors...I think that they might

> > charge when
>
> power
> goes to the control unit. Of
course his problem could be
> >
anything,but I had his exact problem and
> changing out the
>
> Compressor RUN
> Capacitor
> > (40uf) solved the issue.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue,
Jun 27,
> 2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@...
> >
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > > Bill,
> > > when the thermostat is in the
neutral
> position there is no AC
> > going to
> the
> > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
> would not make any difference.
> > >
> Fair
Winds,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
-----
> Original Message -----
> > > From:
>
"'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
Date:
> Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> > >
> Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
>
> > Tripping 220
> > >
> Volt Panel
Fuse & marina
> > > To:
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > >
> > >
> I
> think Eric is right and I think
that the first thing I
> would
> > > > do is
>
> > > replace the two capacitors I
> mentioned earlier.
>
> > >
> > > > Best,
> > >
> >
> > > > Bill Rouse
> > > >
> >
> >
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30
AM,
> kimberlite@...
> > > >
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > with the switch In
neutral
> position the AC unit is off.
I
> > >
> >
would suspect a
> > > > >
> short in the wiring somewhere. it could be
anywhere.
> > > > > Good
luck,
> > > > > Eric
> >
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original
Message
> -----
> >
> > > From:
> "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@...
>
> > > [amelyachtowners]">
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
> > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> Air Conditioning
> >
> > Tripping
> 220
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> & marina
> >
> > > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
forward air conditioning without problem.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
> Conditioning with the
>
> > > >
> > switch in
neutral position (neither cold not hot) and
>
> > right away
> > >
> > >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
> (as well
> > as
the
> >
> > >
> > marina).
> > > >
> > > What does that tell you?
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > On Tue,
6/27/17,
> kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > >
>
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
there is a switch and
> thermostat by
each AC unit. when
> > >
> > > > the switch is in neutral
position does the
> breaker still
> > > > > > trip?
> if not does it trip when the switch is in
the heat
> > > > > >
position?
> > > > > > To
discharge the
> capacitor take a wire
with insulated
> >
> > > > > alligator clips put
one clip on the body
> of the pump or
case
> > > > > >
> and the other clip to a lug of the
capacitor.
> > > > > >
Fair winds,
> > > > > >
Eric
> > > > > > -----
Original Message
> -----
> > > > > > From:
> "Alexandre Uster von
> > > >
> >
> Baar uster@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
7:55 am
> > > > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> > > >
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> Good morning John, Mark,
> > > > >
>
> Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > your replies,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on what
you
> wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead
> >
> >
> > > > compressor…
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > > “discharge
them”
> prior
> >
> > > > > to
> testing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric, I
did
> not
> > >
> > > really
> understand the:
“if the AC switch is off
> > >
> > > > at the thermostat
>
does it still trip the
> > > >
>
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Thanks in advance,
> sincerely,
Alexandre
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Mon,
6/26/17,
> kimberlite@...
> > > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
> Re:
> > > > > > [Amel Yacht
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > >
> > >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> > > > > > marina
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> > Date:
> > > >
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre.
> > > > > >
> if the AC switch
> is off at the
thermostat
> > > > >
> > does it still
>
> > > > >
> > trip the
breaker?
> > > > >
> > > The breaker on the AC panel side
is a
> > > > > > quick
blow
> > > > > > >
circuit breaker,
> If there is
> > > > > > a short
> it will
> > >
> > > > trip
> before the
> > > > > >
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> thermostat and the circuit still trips the
breaker,
> > > > > > >
Check the
> continuity of the compressor
to
> > >
> >
> > ground. If
> > > >
> > > > there is a short to
ground
> > > > > > the
compressor is
> dead.
> > > > > > > Fair
> Winds,
> > > >
> > > Eric
> > > > >
> > sm 376
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
----- Original
> > > > > >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> > From:
> > > > >
> "Alexandre
> > > >
> > > Uster von
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Baar
> uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
> > > Date: Monday,
> June 26,
2017 5:19 pm
> > > > >
> > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
> > > > > > Air
> > > > > > >
Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > >
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > >
>
> > To:
> > > > >
>
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> Today, I hear
the
> > > > > >
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping
(the
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > behind
the
> panel).
> >
> > > > > >
> I
> > > > > > > found out
> the
> > > >
> > fuse of the
> marina also
trip.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> After running
tests,
> > > > >
> > > the cause is the Aft Cabin
Air
> > > > > >
Conditioning
> > > > > >
> > (which I
> have been
> > > > > > using non
> stop for 9
> > >
> > > >
> days).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
Running
> > > > > > >
the salon does
> not trip anything.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> What could
> > > > > > be the
> cause?
> > > >
> > > >
> How to
diagnostic
> > > > > >
> and solve the issue?
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > Did I use too much
> > > > >
>
> > the air conditioning?
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > How come the
>
> > > > >
> > Diruptor
did not
> > > > >
> > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina
fuse?
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> Sincerely,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > SM2K
#289
> NIKIMAT
> >
> > > > > >
> Port de
Gustavia, Saint
> > > > >
> > Barthélémy,
>
> > > > >
> > FWI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill & Eric,
Thanks for your continuous support.
I will keep you posted of what I find.
Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21 PM


 









Bill,
Cant Hurt.
Eric

----- Original
Message -----
From: "'Bill &
Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@..."


> Eric,
>
> I would like to test
those capacitors...I think that they might
> charge when
> power
goes to the control unit. Of course his problem could be
> anything,but I had his exact problem and
changing out the
> Compressor RUN
Capacitor
> (40uf) solved the issue.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 27,
2017 at 3:30 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> > when the thermostat is in the neutral
position there is no AC
> going to
the
> > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
would not make any difference.
> >
Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> >
> > -----
Original Message -----
> > From:
"'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners]"
> > Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning

> Tripping 220
> >
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
"amelyachtowners@..."
> >
> > > I
think Eric is right and I think that the first thing I
would
> > > do is
> > > replace the two capacitors I
mentioned earlier.
> > >
> > > Best,
> >
>
> > > Bill Rouse
> > >
> > >
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM,
kimberlite@...
> > >
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > Alexandre,
> > > > with the switch In neutral
position the AC unit is off. I
> >
> would suspect a
> > > >
short in the wiring somewhere. it could be anywhere.
> > > > Good luck,
> > > > Eric
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message
-----
> > > > From:
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
> > > [amelyachtowners]">
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
>
> > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
Air Conditioning
> > > Tripping
220
> > > > Volt Panel Fuse
& marina
> > > > To:
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> >
> > > > > I run the
forward air conditioning without problem.
> > > > >
>
> > > > As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
Conditioning with the
> > > >
> switch in neutral position (neither cold not hot) and

> right away
> >
> > > the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
(as well
> as the
>
> > > > marina).
> > >
> > What does that tell you?
> >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > On Tue, 6/27/17,
kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > >
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > To:
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > there is a switch and
thermostat by each AC unit. when
> >
> > > the switch is in neutral position does the
breaker still
> > > > > trip?
if not does it trip when the switch is in the heat
> > > > > position?
> > > > > To discharge the
capacitor take a wire with insulated
>
> > > > alligator clips put one clip on the body
of the pump or case
> > > > >
and the other clip to a lug of the capacitor.
> > > > > Fair winds,
> > > > > Eric
> > > > > ----- Original Message
-----
> > > > > From:
"Alexandre Uster von
> > >
> > Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:55 am
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > >
> > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> > > > > To:
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> > >
> > > > > >
Good morning John, Mark,
> > > >
> Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > > > >
> > > > > your replies,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Based on what you
wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
>
> > > > > compressor…
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > “discharge them”
prior
> > > > > > to
testing?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eric, I did
not
> > > > > really
understand the: “if the AC switch is off
> > > > > > at the thermostat
does it still trip the
> > > >
> breaker?”
> > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance,
sincerely, Alexandre
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > On Mon, 6/26/17,
kimberlite@...
> > > >
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
> > wrote:
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > Subject:
Re:
> > > > > [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> >
> > > > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> > > > > marina
> > > > > > To:
> > > > >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> > > > Date:
> > >
> > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandre.
> > > > > > if the AC switch
is off at the thermostat
> > > >
> does it still
> > > > >
> trip the breaker?
> > > >
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is a
> > > > > quick blow
> > > > > > circuit breaker,
If there is
> > > > > a short
it will
> > > > > > trip
before the
> > > > >
diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> > > > > > Check the
continuity of the compressor to
> >
> > > ground. If
> > >
> > > there is a short to ground
> > > > > the compressor is
dead.
> > > > > > Fair
Winds,
> > > > > > Eric
> > > > > > sm 376
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original
> > > > > > Message -----
> > > > > > From:
> > > > > "Alexandre
> > > > > > Uster von
> > > > > >
> > > > > Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > > > Date: Monday,
June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> > > >
> > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> > > > > Air
> > > > > > Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > >
Panel Fuse & marina
> > > >
> > To:
> > > > >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > Good afternoon,
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
Today, I hear the
> > > > >
> fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > behind the
panel).
> > > > > > >
I
> > > > > > found out
the
> > > > > fuse of the
marina also trip.
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
After running tests,
> > > >
> > the cause is the Aft Cabin Air
> > > > > Conditioning
> > > > > > > (which I
have been
> > > > > using non
stop for 9
> > > > > >
days).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Running
> > > > > > the salon does
not trip anything.
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
What could
> > > > > be the
cause?
> > > > > > >
How to diagnostic
> > > > >
and solve the issue?
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> Did I use too much
> > > >
> > the air conditioning?
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> How come the
> > > > >
> Diruptor did not
> > > >
> trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
>
> > > > > >
> > >
> > How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
> > > > > > >
Port de Gustavia, Saint
> > > >
> Barthélémy,
> > > > >
> FWI
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Fan for Cabin - Opinions?

James Alton
 

Duane,

   I have often used a box fan dockside for moving a lot of air through a boat.  I normally set the fan at one end of the boat  in the exhaust mode and then open a hatch for inlet air wherever the people are in the boat to bring the coolest air in.  This technique works especially well in the evenings to cool a boat that has been sitting in the sun all day and can make the difference between being miserable all night or having a good nights sleep.  The constant white noise of the fan I find makes sleeping easier with traffic up and down the docks etc.  Also, if you use screens to filter the inlet air, this arrangement seems to help remove the mosquitos or other biting bugs from the boat.  Like yourself, I would like to find a DC version of a box fan so hopefully there will be some additional suggestions.

Best,

James
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:03 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Alexandre, 


I looked up a 127mm computer fan (a big one???) and it was only 141 cfm, not big enough to make the difference I'm looking for, even in groups of four.  On the plus side, it is very low on amperage draw and quiet.  It would be fine for ventilating your boat to keep some small air movement going.

I'm looking for an alternative to air conditioning, and that would require mass air movement.  There is often a 10 or 15 degree differential between inside the boat and outside the boat in the hot season early in the evening when we turn in.  Bringing the cooler outside air inside in mass quantities is the answer.

Duane


Re: Frigoboat Keel Cooler

greatketch@...
 

Terry,

We conducted one of many Terry and Deena Memorial Boat Tours just the other day with someone thinking of buying an Amel.  Without your hospitality in Honolulu--right after a long crossing--we might not have ended up with one of these amazing boats! Karen has become a true Super Maramu evangelist.

The isolated ground system that Amel uses is unusual on a fiberglass boats, but is very common, even necessary, on Aluminum boats. Given that aluminum boats are a lot more common in Europe, I'll bet the Fidgeoboat factory in Italy has a good answer.

Since I didn't install our keel cooler (the previous owner did) I cannot say if there was something special about the installation I can't see.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ



Re: Frigoboat Keel Cooler

Terence Singh
 

Hey Bill, good to catch up after Hawaii! I read your blog when ever you post...keep it coming!

Appreciate you sharing.

What confuses me is the language on the "Yellow Sticker" It stated that connecting the Keel Cooler prevents it from becoming positive. I believe this might be a poor translation (or bad interpretation on my part) for "prevents corrosion"

Terry Singh
SV Libby #196
Maple Bay, BC

Re: Frigoboat Keel Cooler

greatketch@...
 

Terry,

A data point for you:

On our boat the Frigoboat keelcoolers are connected to the grounding system and not the battery negative. They work fine and show no signs of corrosion 10 years after installation.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

Frigoboat Keel Cooler

Terence Singh
 

Just sent this to Coastal Climate Control, whom I purchased my Frigoboat Keel Cooler.


Is there any advise as to where to connect the Keel Cooler grounding tab to?


Hello Maureen, I finally got around to installing my Keel cooler…the boat is hauled out as we speak!

The Yellow sticker in the packaging states that the keel cooler should ALWAYS be connected to the negative battery.
I need to question this with you on an Amel Super Maramu. 

The bonding system is completely isolated from the negative DC side of the entire ship. Everything I have ever read states that the bonding system should not be attached to the negative battery circuit.

Can you tell me if it is ok to to connect the Keel cooler to the ships bonding system and not the battery negative?

Thanks in advance,

Terry
720-471-0887


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

I would like to test those capacitors...I think that they might charge when power goes to the control unit. Of course his problem could be anything, but I had his exact problem and changing out the Compressor RUN Capacitor (40uf) solved the issue.

Bill



On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:30 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,
when the thermostat is in the neutral position there is no AC going to the unit. Thus a bad capacitor would not make any difference.
Fair Winds,
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"

> I think Eric is right and I think that the first thing I would
> do is
> replace the two capacitors I mentioned earlier.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill Rouse
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Alexandre,
> > with the switch In neutral position the AC unit is off. I
> would suspect a
> > short in the wiring somewhere. it could be anywhere.
> > Good luck,
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... 
> [amelyachtowners]"> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220
> > Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > I run the forward air conditioning without problem.
> > >
> > > As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air Conditioning with the
> > > switch in neutral position (neither cold not hot) and right away
> > > the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip (as well as the
> > > marina).
> > > What does that tell you?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alexandre,
> > > there is a switch and thermostat by each AC unit. when
> > > the switch is in neutral position does the breaker still
> > > trip? if not does it trip when the switch is in the heat
> > > position?
> > > To discharge the capacitor take a wire with insulated
> > > alligator clips put one clip on the body of the pump or case
> > > and the other clip to a lug of the capacitor.
> > > Fair winds,
> > > Eric
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alexandre Uster von
> > > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:55 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Good morning John, Mark,
> > > Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > >
> > > your replies,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
> > > > compressor…
> > > >
> > > > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > “discharge them” prior
> > > > to testing?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric, I did not
> > > really understand the: “if the AC switch is off
> > > > at the thermostat does it still trip the
> > > breaker?”
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
> > > [amelyachtowners]
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Re:
> > > [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> > > marina
> > > > To:
> > > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date:
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Alexandre.
> > > > if the AC switch is off at the thermostat
> > > does it still
> > > > trip the breaker?
> > > > The breaker on the AC panel side is a
> > > quick blow
> > > > circuit breaker, If there is
> > > a short it will
> > > > trip before the
> > > diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > > >
> > > thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> > > > Check the continuity of the compressor to
> > > ground. If
> > > > there is a short to ground
> > > the compressor is dead.
> > > > Fair Winds,
> > > > Eric
> > > > sm 376
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original
> > > > Message -----
> > > > From:
> > > "Alexandre
> > > > Uster von
> > > >
> > > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> > > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> > > Air
> > > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> > > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > To:
> > > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Today, I hear the
> > > > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the
> > > one
> > > > > behind the panel).
> > > > > I
> > > > found out the
> > > fuse of the marina also trip.
> > > > >
> > > > > After running tests,
> > > > the cause is the Aft Cabin Air
> > > Conditioning
> > > > > (which I have been
> > > using non stop for 9
> > > > days).
> > > > >
> > > > > Running
> > > > the salon does not trip anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > What could
> > > be the cause?
> > > > > How to diagnostic
> > > and solve the issue?
> > > > >
> > > > > Did I use too much
> > > > the air conditioning?
> > > >
> > > > How come the
> > > > Diruptor did not
> > > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> > > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > Alexandre
> > > > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > > > > Port de Gustavia, Saint
> > > Barthélémy,
> > > > FWI
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Water pump for Climma A/C

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

This will help you get your capacitor...for the exact match, order it from Coastal Climate Control coastalclimatecontrol.com>. Tell them that the pump is a Calpeda BCM20E


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Here goes, I will attempt to explain, but frankly Eric is much better at this because he is an electrical engineer. My explanation assumes you are connected to EU type shore power...If not, 1.) let me know and 2.) try running the AC with your generator and let me know the outcome.

A GFI Circuit will OPEN when there is an imbalance between the HOT wire (Brown) and the RETURN (Blue) within a particular circuit. Most GFI's are set to OPEN when current difference between HOT and RETURN exceeds 5mA, but I have seen some marinas set it at 1mA.

For practical purposes and on your Amel, this normally will happen when the RETURN (Blue) comes in contact with EARTH, reducing the current on the RETURN side and causing an imbalance between the HOT and the RETURN. Of course it can happen with the HOT, as well.

On a boat, the normal conductive material between NEUTRAL and EARTH is water. With the Water Heater, it is the heating element cracking with age that allows some HOT current to escape to EARTH. This causes an imbalance and OPENS the GFI.

If a capacitor  is getting hot, that heat is a sign of used current and enough used current by a capacitor will certainly cause an imbalance which will OPEN a GFI.

So, what would I do under the circumstances you describe:
  1. I would eliminate the pump as a suspect because the other ACs work fine - done
  2. I would inspect the faulty AC for any water leaks and full condensation pan - done
  3. I would test and/or replace the two compressor control capacitors...1 each: 40 microFarads 420 volts to 470 volts (Biggest physical size) and 1 each: 10 microFarads 420 volts to 470 volts (Medium size)
  4. If I still had not solved the issue, I would try changing the setting on the timer. 
  5. If that doesn't work swap the timer with a working unit. The timer is about 13-15mm square and about 40mm long. It has two wires and is adjusted with a flat blade screwdriver.
  6. If none of the above works, I would get a recommendation for a Climma Qualified Tech.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



Re: Water pump for Climma A/C

steve_morrison@...
 

Thank you Gary.  The smoke was indeed coming from the top of the motor around the capacitor cover.  I ordered the new March Pump that Mark linked to on Ebay to arrive Friday, but will also trace down a new capacitor and see if I can't get the original pump functioning properly before I replace it and put it aside as a back up.  

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Brunswick, GA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

karkauai
 

Hi Steve, thanks, but no link attached?
Send to my email below, thanks.

Kent
S/V Kristy SM 243
karkauai at yahoo dot com

On Jun 26, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hey Kent,

Try the link below to find a SSB tech in your area. It looks like at least 4 folks you could call. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Aruba

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Forgot to reply he 2nd question.
I tested the Capacitors they are:
9.2 instead of 10 and 38.1 instead of 40
Is that enough to cause a problem?
Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 12:54 PM


 









I think Eric is right and I
think that the first thing I would do is replace the two
capacitors I mentioned earlier.
Best,
Bill Rouse
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30 AM, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Alexandre,
with the switch In neutral position the AC unit is off.
I would suspect a short in the wiring somewhere. it could be
anywhere.
Good luck,
Eric


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
11:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse
& marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

> I run the forward air
conditioning without problem.
>
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
Conditioning with the
> switch in
neutral position (neither cold not hot) and right away
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker
trip (as well as the
> marina).
> What does that tell you?
>
>
>
>
------------------------------ --------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017,
9:10 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre,
> there is a
switch and thermostat by each AC unit. when
> the switch is in neutral position does the
breaker still
> trip? if not does it trip
when the switch is in the heat
>
position?
> To discharge the capacitor
take a wire with insulated
> alligator
clips put one clip on the body of the pump or case
> and the other clip to a lug of the
capacitor.
> Fair winds,
> Eric
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Alexandre
Uster von
> Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday,
June 27, 2017 7:55 am
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
>
> > Good
morning John, Mark,
> Eric and Francisco
and thank you for
> >
> your replies,
> >

> >
> Based on
what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead
> > compressor…
>
>
> > Going to test the
Capacitors, but how to
> “discharge
them” prior
> > to testing?
>
> >
> > Eric, I did not
>
really understand the: “if the AC switch is off
> > at the thermostat does it still trip
the
> breaker?”
>
>
> >
> Thanks
in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------
--------------
> > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners]
>
> wrote:
> >
>
> Subject: Re:
> [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> >
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
>
marina
> > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > Date:
>
Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Alexandre.
> > if the AC switch is off
at the thermostat
> does it still
> > trip the breaker?
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is
a
> quick blow
> >
circuit breaker, If there is
> a short it
will
> > trip before the
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> >
> thermostat and
the circuit still trips the breaker,
>
> Check the continuity of the compressor to
> ground. If
> > there
is a short to ground
> the compressor is
dead.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> >
sm 376
> >
> >
----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From:
>
"Alexandre
> > Uster von
> >
> Baar uster@... [
amelyachtowners]"
> > Date:
Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> >
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
>
Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> >
> >
> Good afternoon,
> >
> >
> > >
Today, I hear the
> > fuse of the 220
Volt Panel tripping (the
> one
> > > behind the panel).
> > > I
> >
found out the
> fuse of the marina also
trip.
> > >
>
> > After running tests,
> > the
cause is the Aft Cabin Air
> Conditioning

> > > (which I have been
> using non stop for 9
>
> days).
> > >
> > > Running
>
> the salon does not trip anything.
>
> >
> > > What could
> be the cause?
> >
> How to diagnostic
> and solve the
issue?
> > >
>
> > Did I use too much
> > the
air conditioning?
> >
> > How come the
>
> Diruptor did not
> trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?
> > >
> How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > >
>
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
>
>
> Alexandre
>
> > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > >
Port de Gustavia, Saint
>
Barthélémy,
> > FWI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
































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