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Raw water - seastrainer alarm

webercardio@...
 

Hello to the group,

This time by testing the sea-strainer alarm ( shortly closed the valve for the inlet)  I heard no Alarm.

Can I clean the switch or do I have to replace it ?.Flush the tube ?

Thank you very much 

Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 on the way to Lipari/Sicily


A wind sensor option...

greatketch@...
 

This just came across my desk. I don't know anything about it other than what the promotional materials say, although a little digging shows they have been around for a while.  For those Amel sailors who want to keep their B&G Hydra instrument systems, this might give a viable option for a masthead wind sensor which at about 600-700 Euros is a significant savings compared to a replacement B&G MHU213.  


I have used another brand of ultrasonic wind sensor in the past and was very happy with it.  (No bearings to wear out and replace, for example!)

Again, no personal experience, so this is not a recommendation, just pointing out an option that has plug-and-play Hydra compatibility.  It was new to me, and likely to others too.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: tap valve cartridges for Maramu 46 galley taps

calbyy@...
 

hello
replaced all 3 in Canet at 'Plomberie du Littoral (small retailer)
brought part & checked in Template they use for identification of threads
part called 'tête universelle de robinet 18;150'
unit price 4.64 euros (total 3 pces 16.70 including VAT)
 
try Amazone for supply
otherwise a quick trip to France or french islands in Caribeans; go to to small retailers for plumbers & bring one sample Cartridge with you to check & confirm threads with replacement.

would gladly buy & send to you but check cost of freight by UPS or equivalent before ...

good Hunting

christian alby - Désirade VIII Maramu 116 - now in Canet en Roussillon 




Re: tap valve cartridges for Maramu 46 galley taps

smiles bernard
 

also looking for these as mine are leaking a little so any help much appreciated
All the best
Miles
Vintage Maramu 162


tap valve cartridges for Maramu 46 galley taps

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Has anyone been able to find replacement tap valve cartridges for the
galley taps?  I'm pretty certain they are a metric size (I think the
thread is M18 fine) and everything in UK is BSP standard.  I tried Maud
but she has no record of the manufacturer or the specification. 

Any steer would be appreciated. 

Graham Cresswell
"Jamesby"
Maramu 46 #240 (1988)


Re: Curaçao Customs

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Mark,

Make sure you also have the document that shows the boat is in the "Entrepot" (what you call bond, I think). They may want to see that as well if you tell them the stuff is repair parts for the boat.

Cheers,

Arno


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How to flush Volvo D3-110i-C

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

I do not think flushing the system as is or letting BB sit in the system is going to be adequate to clean the inside of the heat exchanger. If this is partially clogged it will need to be removed and visually inspected.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 10:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How to flush Volvo D3-110i-C

 

 

Many thanks to all who replied for all your good avdvice. So on balance it looks like I need to circulate barnacle buster and/or saltaway through the the system from the raw water intake to the exhause elbow. So now the question is, do I do this by running the engine and therefore letting the impellor do the work, or do I use, say, a bulge pump sitting in a big bucket? If the latter then presumably I would need to first remove the impellor to allow the water through?

 

Cheers,

Paul

Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Curaçao Customs

Mark Erdos
 

Arno,

 

Thanks! We have our boat docs, customs clearance, and receipts showing purchases for Cream Puff. Hopefully this will be enough to satisfy the agent.

 

We are bringing in a variety of spare parts, a new battery charger, a few tools and new watermaker membranes etc.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Curaçao Customs

 

 

Hi Mark,

We live on Curacao.
Potentially you will have some problems here. This Island is not known for it's flawless organization. Although you are able to get your parts "tax-free" on your boat the route you've chosen is, depending on the parts you carry, not great. The way this normally works is that you get the parts via one of the boat-shops on the Island. They know how to process this.
When you land on Curacao you may get inspected and charged with import duty and sales tax. It depends on the parts and, in honesty, the mood of the guys at the customs-line. Sometimes they are not even there. But most of the times you will be required to put your bags through an X-ray machine. They are specifically interested in electronics as most people that come in from the US are buying all kinds of that stuff abroad.
I guess you can get the money back afterwards if they do charge you but I'm pretty sure that the road for this will be (very) long.
So it does depend on the parts you are bringing.
Let me know if you need more info.

Kind regards,

Arno Luijten


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: IMPORTANT - Dessalator JIC Flare fittings on High Pressure Hoses + More

Craig Briggs
 

Relax, Bill!  Of course there's more you can do than just taking the mechanics word for it, and very simply, too. As the saying goes, "when in doubt, read the directions."
Cheers, Craig

---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :

Craig,

I cannot guarantee that anyone, anywhere is correct, rather all I can do is ask the questions of Dessalator, the OEM watermaker supplier to Amel, verify what Dessalator said, and verify what Dessalator meant...........................

Best,
Bill Rouse


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How to flush Volvo D3-110i-C

karkauai
 

I have just run the engine long enough to run BB through the raw water side, then shut down the engine and let it sit overnight.  Then run the engine with raw water to flush the B.B. out of the engine.  I haven’t done the circulation.  If I thought it still needed more treatment, I would treat again, or do the circulation treatment.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How to flush Volvo D3-110i-C

ya_fohi
 

Many thanks to all who replied for all your good avdvice. So on balance it looks like I need to circulate barnacle buster and/or saltaway through the the system from the raw water intake to the exhause elbow. So now the question is, do I do this by running the engine and therefore letting the impellor do the work, or do I use, say, a bulge pump sitting in a big bucket? If the latter then presumably I would need to first remove the impellor to allow the water through?

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternator and Masse leak detector

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Alan,

Thanks for your input on this. I have just had a long conversation with the Leece-Neville distributor here in the UK. 

I described all the symptoms you know about, and that I have raised over the last six months on this forum. He said that, he has seen this before on Leece-Nevilles and in his opinion there would probably be one diode not working properly and at low rpm the Alt would not work as it was kind of missing a beat but as the rpm increases the alternator gets over the missed beat and starts to charge but probably only at 50% of its potential output running on the remaining diodes.

 As for the leak, he agrees with your opinion that it would not be from a faulty diode and that most likely one of the insulating washers had perished or a build up of some debris was bridging from the negative side to the frame. He advised me to consider a brand new alternator that he had in stock that is exactly the same as the old and would throw in the smart regulator set for AGM's and wire it up for me prior to shipping for free.. The double pulley is the same, I only must check the rotation for the fan as it is clockwise as you look at it from the pulley end. If necessary I can take the fan from the old one, but I think they are exactly the same.

So this is what I will do, after all the old one is 12 years old, and then get the old one checked and serviced and keep for spare.  He completely agreed that the bridging to the frame would not stop it working and that also a defective diode would not stop the alternator from working all be it at higher rpm and at a lower output but the bridging could cause  galvanic corrosion problems.

So in conclusion to other Amel owners if your 24v alternator only works at higher rpm you should check that it can put out it’s full rated output. If not have it serviced you may have a dodgy diode, and frankly if there is a bad diode it is likely there may be other damage too as with mine.



Nick




On 20 Jun 2018, at 08:31, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] ahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi  Nick,


Agree you found the "fault". 
It is the alternator.
BUT I very much doubt that it is a diode "leaking" to the frame.
It's more likely to be a breakdown in the insulation somewhere...it could even be something as simple as salt crystals around the negative terminal providing a circuit from  -ve to the alternator case.

Good luck
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boots for spreaders

 

James,

Exactly. I didn't want to be the one to say it. I have a friend that goes through sails in 5 years, but puts almost zero hours on his engine.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 19:44 James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I think that most of the wear on a Genoa from the spreader tips occurs when the winds are light and there is a beam sea running making the boat roll.  Under those conditions the Genoa can rub the spreader tip even with the sheet well eased.  Patches on the Genoa certainly help but a well rounded roller on the spreader tip I think helps even more.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 19, 2018 5:34 PM, "arthur saftlas art@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

A properly trimmed genoa should not touch a spreader.


"The cure for anything is salt water; sweat, tears, or the sea." - Karen Blixen





Re: Boots for spreaders

Miles
 

Hello Karen,

What Amel do you own?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boots for spreaders

Patrick McAneny
 

James, I have the roller and still have chafe, There is a multitude of reasons why the sail may contact the spreader and I think chafe gear is a good idea. I only asked for suggestions as I could only find the typical rubber boots , but they are not designed to fit an Amel. I have now found leather ones that install easily that will provide very good protection , so we can close this post.
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boots for spreaders

 
I think that most of the wear on a Genoa from the spreader tips occurs when the winds are light and there is a beam sea running making the boat roll.  Under those conditions the Genoa can rub the spreader tip even with the sheet well eased.  Patches on the Genoa certainly help but a well rounded roller on the spreader tip I think helps even more.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 19, 2018 5:34 PM, "arthur saftlas art@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
A properly trimmed genoa should not touch a spreader.

"The cure for anything is salt water; sweat, tears, or the sea." - Karen Blixen





Re: Curaçao Customs

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Mark,

We live on Curacao.
Potentially you will have some problems here. This Island is not known for it's flawless organization. Although you are able to get your parts "tax-free" on your boat the route you've chosen is, depending on the parts you carry, not great. The way this normally works is that you get the parts via one of the boat-shops on the Island. They know how to process this.
When you land on Curacao you may get inspected and charged with import duty and sales tax. It depends on the parts and, in honesty, the mood of the guys at the customs-line. Sometimes they are not even there. But most of the times you will be required to put your bags through an X-ray machine. They are specifically interested in electronics as most people that come in from the US are buying all kinds of that stuff abroad.
I guess you can get the money back afterwards if they do charge you but I'm pretty sure that the road for this will be (very) long.
So it does depend on the parts you are bringing.
Let me know if you need more info.

Kind regards,

Arno Luijten


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Curaçao Customs

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mark,
Have you look at noon site:
http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Curacao?rc=Formalities#Clearance

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 6/19/18, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Curaçao Customs
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 19, 2018, 9:16 PM


 

















We are flying into
Curaçao with a few parts for the boat.
The boat is already there (placed in bond) as we left it on
the hard for our
trip. Does anyone know the formalities for customs as we are
considered a
vessel in transit? We will be leaving Curaçao within a few
days once the boat
is launched. I can’t seem to find any info through regular
channels. Has
anyone anything to offer?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream
Puff - SM2K - #275

www.creampuff.us


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternator and Masse leak detector

Alan Leslie
 

Hi  Nick,

Agree you found the "fault". 
It is the alternator.
BUT I very much doubt that it is a diode "leaking" to the frame.
It's more likely to be a breakdown in the insulation somewhere...it could even be something as simple as salt crystals around the negative terminal providing a circuit from  -ve to the alternator case.

Good luck
Alan
Elyse SM437


Curaçao Customs

Mark Erdos
 

We are flying into Curaçao with a few parts for the boat. The boat is already there (placed in bond) as we left it on the hard for our trip. Does anyone know the formalities for customs as we are considered a vessel in transit? We will be leaving Curaçao within a few days once the boat is launched. I can’t seem to find any info through regular channels. Has anyone anything to offer?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternator and Masse leak detector

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Bill,

As I understand it, the Isolated ground system on an Amel is no different to other yachts with Isolated ground systems, and is quite simple namely that the negative of the DC system (and indeed the AC system) is not connected to the rest of the equipment in the boat. So every piece of 24v equipment is connected to the battery bank with a +ve and negative wire via the switch panel and or busbars or indeed directly to the batteries. The battery bank negative is not connected to the engine block or anodes. Then all the equipment and metal on the boat is linked together and earthed to the sea independent of the battery bank.

With this system the alternator for example has to be an isolated ground alternator. That is the -ve terminal is not electrically connected to the alternator frame as on some alternators. So there are two terminals on the back of the alternator, one +ve and one -ve and there is no electrical contact between them and the alternator frame.

If the +ve or the -ve on the battery system is connected to the ground system a fault light appears on the “Masse” detector.

If any sensor or piece of equipment on the engine is not isolated ground rated then its -ve will make an electrical contact with the bonding system.

It is, to my eye, likely that the 24v charging alternator has a fault such that the negative terminal is leaking to the frame of the alternator and thus to the engine itself which is connected to the bonded system and to the sea. By disconnecting the 24v negative cable from the faulty alternator there is no longer a contact between negative 24v and the bonding system, which is why the fault light goes off then.  Thus we have found the fault.

Furthermore I suspect that within the faulty 24v alternator we will discover that it is one of the diodes within the rectifier that is leaking to the frame, but that remains to be seen.

Kind regards

Nick

On 19 Jun 2018, at 19:20, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Nick,

I am sending you an Off-Group, direct email.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970






On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 1:00 PM Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,


I am the second owner.

The engine is original. I purchased the boat in June 2017,  it had been ashore in Grenada for three years as the then owner was very ill and unable to use the boat.

The only thing that was changed on the engine in my ownership has been the turbo boost pressure sensor. This was a five minute job to remove the old sensor and replace with new sensor. Done by Volvo agent in Martinique.

In the year I have owned the boat I have had no zinc sacrifice beyond normal, there was until recently no fault on the indicator including just after the turbo boost  sensor was replaced. So this fault is new.

I already have a propeller zinc.

Is there a way in which I can test if the Isolated ground has been defeated?

Nick
On 19 Jun 2018, at 16:07, Bill Rouse brouse@...[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Nick,

Your problem may be an indication of something much more serious.

How long have you owned this Amel 54? Has there been an engine change, or any sensors changed?

When Amel installed the Volvo D3-110, it had been modified to be Isolated Ground by Volvo France. If you ask any Volvo dealer to check the serial number for such a modification, it will not show up on Volvos database. In fact, it is difficult to find any Volvo record of this modification which occurred with 100% of all D3s installed when the 54 was built by Amel. 

I believe that your Isolated Ground has been defeated because of either:
  1. Engine change
  2. Non-Isolated Ground sensors or switches installed replacing original ones
  3. Some other modification made by some "expert" which has defeated the Non-Isolated Ground
Yes, if any of the above are true, when you disconnect the 24VDC Negative from the 24VDC Alternator, you will remove the fault indicated on the Bonding test circuit..

I consider this issue serious and you should seek expert help.. A defeated Isolated Ground has been the cause of ruined C-Drives and other serious issues. Until you have this resolved, you should add a propeller zinc, although that will not completely protect things.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970






On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:23 AM Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Alan,


I have had an electrician check the boat for me and I asked him to look into the -ve leak and to then try some diagnosis..

This is his reply  "I checked the leak controller, it shows a leak in negativ. I tried several things like bilge pump but nothing changed. When I dismantled the negativ from the 24 V alternator, the leak light went off. So, the problem might be the alternator or somewhere at the engine.”

So I reckon that this would suggest a fault on the 24v alternator or some kind of leak to the bonding system from the engine.

Nick


On 19 Jun 2018, at 02:18, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,


We have a NEXT STEP-2 reg ...there is a file in the Files section showing how I did it

The reg in the Leece  Neville alt is not designed to charge deep cycle batteries.
Keeping the voltage always at 28.8V will eventually kill your AGM batteries. They need a bulk, absorption, float regimen if they are to be cared for properly.

We have 
600W solar panels and  a Victron MPPT controller
Leece Neville 175A engine alt with Next Step-2 reg
Victron Skyalla 100A charger
Promariner 30A charger

and they are all set to the same absorption and float voltages.


Diodes fail open, I don't think that can be the cause of your problem.

Somewhere on some device that has both 24VDC feed AND a connection to the bonding system, there is a connection between -ve and the bonding connection...and it may not be a metal to metal contact , frequently it is through the sea water. 

Good Luck
Alan
Elyse SM437  Yasawa-i-rara









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