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Onan air bleed screw

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

I noticed a small diesel leak at the air bleed screw on the generator injector pump and proceeded to tighten it.  I tightened it slowly but nevertheless still over tightened it and stripped the female part of the thread in the injector pump housing.  The housing seems to be made of aluminium.  I've taken the bleed screw out and it doesn't appear to be original.  Instead of being drilled out it has about 1mm diameter of the bolt shaven off for the fuel passage.  Has anybody experienced this?  Any recommendations on how to repair this?  I'm also worried about the small pieces of shaved off aluminium thread that would have fallen into the injector pump.  Any help and advice would be appreciated.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SY Pepino 381

Porto Heli, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

Alan Leslie
 

Sorry Stephen
Yes the rear cover. It's the only removable cover on the Tigres. It won't come off as the diameter of the 1500W motor is such that the cover hits the cabin top when you try to slide it back.
I know this because we replaced our motor last year and had to lift up the winch to get the rear cover on.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Hi Alan,

I am not sure what situations you mean. By "cover" are you referring to the rear housing? Can you be more specific?

Thanks,
Stephen
S/V Sequel SM349

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

greatketch@...
 



I do not have the "three roller" bow.  Just two rollers on my boat.  The main roller holds the Rocna, and we have nothing on the roller on the port side.


---In amelyachtowners@..., <stephen_lees@...> wrote :

Bill,

Do you have the three roller solution on the bow? If so, do you have the Rockna in the starboard roller aligned with the windlass gypsy?

Stephen
SV Sequel, SM349

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

Alan Leslie
 

1200 vs 1500W motors
The 1500 motor is slightly bigger in diameter than the 1200 which means you can't get the cover off with the Windlass in situations
Just FYI
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

eric freedman
 

Hi Stephen,

I keep Kimberlite in the Caribbean in the winter and Huntington in the Summer at the HYC.

I have been to oyster bay to attend CCA Gam , however I was only there for a day or two.

 

If you come over to Huntington , give me a shout we can get together for a drink.

I know Frank . He has his boat up for sale. I first met him in either 98 or 99 in Bermuda when I had my tartan.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

 

 

Eric,

Yes, we live in the city but keep Sequel in Oyster Bay. Did you keep Kimberlite in Oyster Bay one summer a few years ago? I recall seeing one there.

We are out to the West Marine in Huntington occasionally and for other reasons.

We know Frank McCarroll who we understand has an SM53 in Huntington as well. We hired him to help us take Sequel to Fort Lauderdale the first winter we had her. We haven't touched base with him since. He was in the middle of restoring his boat after lightning caused extensive damage. Do you know him?

Best,
Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel SM349

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Eric,

Yes, we live in the city but keep Sequel in Oyster Bay. Did you keep Kimberlite in Oyster Bay one summer a few years ago? I recall seeing one there.

We are out to the West Marine in Huntington occasionally and for other reasons.

We know Frank McCarroll who we understand has an SM53 in Huntington as well. We hired him to help us take Sequel to Fort Lauderdale the first winter we had her. We haven't touched base with him since. He was in the middle of restoring his boat after lightning caused extensive damage. Do you know him?

Best,
Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel SM349

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Stephen,

I don't know if you are asking me or Bill Kinney. BeBe #387 has a 30kg Wasi Bugel on the Stbd roller.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Bill,

Do you have the three roller solution on the bow? If so, do you have the Rockna in the starboard roller aligned with the windlass gypsy?

Stephen
SV Sequel, SM349

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

eric freedman
 

Hi Stephen,

Defender marine sells Lofrans.

 

I see you are in NY. I live in Huntington and have Kimberlite there.

If you are ever out this way please stop by.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 11:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

 

 

Thank you all for your responses. My wife an I have owned our SM for 4 years now an do truly understand Henri Amel's passion and precision that went into all his boat, but the Auper Maramu especially. We fully respect the design and are committed to maintaining its integrity.

The current problems with our windlass re the result of poor or no maintainace by previous owners (and the current ones), coming up to speed too slowly on the appropriate use of a windlass (first boat with an electric one) and recent change to a 49 kg Vulcan anchor which does not sit well on the bow and is difficult to not tension the chain on the windlass when it comes aboard. So user neglect, user misuse and the learning curve with the new anchor have brought me to the current place.

So you learn from you errors and when I get to that place I spend a lot of time educating myself. That is what lead me to the Lofrans windlass selection chart. I was curious about what this group had to say and appreciate it.

So I have priced the repair parts which come to about USD 2,000 and a new 1,500 watt Tigres is about USD 2,800 (all from P2marine.com). So monetarily itt makes sense to go with a new one even though I would do the rebuild (and part of me would enjoy rebuilding it), but they come with a foot switch and not the customized electric buttons on the rear housing. I would guess I could use the old rear housing on the new body and put in new switches. Or drill out the new rear housing for the switches.

It is possible to get replacement 1,200 watt motors so I might be able to get one configured that way, though I believe the 100 watt breaker already servicing the windlass and foc furler motor would be sufficient for th 1,500 watt version.

Can anyone comment on the foot switch versus button solutions or should I just respect the Amel solution? Besides, the idea of drilling another hole in the foredeck doesn't sound appealing to me.

Finally, can anyone comment on sources in the US besides P2marine.com and Lofrans dealers. Or does Amel sell the original setup and should be considered?

Best,
Stephen Lees
New York, NY
SV Sequel
SM#349

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

greatketch@...
 

If you are having trouble with an anchor sitting tightly on the bow roller, you might want to check out this product from Mantus Anchors: https://www.mantusmarine.com/mantus-anchor-mate/

I have the 40kg Rocna on Harmonie, and it sits just fine on our roller, but I had trouble on my old boat with a Mantus anchor not snugging down tightly.  The "Anchor Mate" fixed it very nicely.    Not sure how, or even if, it would attach to the Amel bow, but it worked great on the last boat.

Bill Kinney
SM@#160, Harmonie
Beverly, Mass


---In amelyachtowners@..., <stephen_lees@...> wrote :

Bill,

Did I write 49 kg? It was a typo. I have a 40 kg Vulcan. Rockna recommends a 33 kg and I debated a long time before deciding on the 40. This is the updated Rockna without the hoop on it. I thought it would fit better on the roller but it swings back and forth too much do my taste. But it holds very nicely. I have been using a piece of spectra tied to the anchor and cleated on the main cleat. No strectch and great abrasion resistance.

Anyhow, thanks for your input to this discussion. I agree on using the center roller on the 3 roller configuration.

Best,
Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

greatketch@...
 


The remote is great.  No holes in the deck. No exposed switches to maintain. Ours came from Quick, the Italian windlass manufacturer.  http://www.quickusastore.com/hand-held-remote-control.html I am sure others would work.  When you get right down to it, all it is is a pair of momentary switches in a pretty box.

I have no chain stopper, and I do not put a full load on the windlass.  The snubber is usually attached before the boat comes down hard on the chain. If it is really windy and the boat drifts back quickly, the load can come on the chain before the snubber is ready, but it hasn't been a problem. If it was so windy that I was worried about the clutch slipping before I was ready, I'd throw a loop of chain around the windlass cleat to hold things while I got the snubber ready.  We do not back down on the chain without the snubber attached.

As has already been mentioned, if your windlass is properly maintained, with a well greased clutch, it will slip before damaging itself.  It seems counter intuitive to grease this part, but if you do not and the clutch locks together serious damage can be done to the woodruff key and shaft.

The only time we use that cam lock on the gypsy is when we are sailing.  The anchor is tied up, the motor is turned off with a breaker, and the clutch slacked. The lock is there as a belt with the suspenders.

We actually don't "keep" Harmonie anywhere.  She is our only home, and we do not have a home port. We are just sea gypsies. We stopped here because we need a quick haul out to install a new depth transducer, then we'll be headed further north for the summer.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Beverly, Mass

---In amelyachtowners@..., <stephen_lees@...> wrote :

Bill,

Thanks for your thoughts. I like the idea of the remote on a long cord. I suppose there are several remotes just for this purpose available with a little digging.

Your anchoring procedures are pretty consistent with mine, but it is true that I have only been using about 12'. I will try the longer and am a fan of the three strand for that purpose.

I only have one question though. As the boat is drifting back and as you are putting tension on the anchor while in reverse, is th stress being taken directly by the windlass. Do you engage the little rotating lock that hooks into the slots in gipsy? Or do you have a chain stopper engaged?

One last note. That is that this is a small world. My teenage years were spent growing up in Marblehead and Hamilton so I know Beverly well, though it isn't the same now as it was back then. I obviously caught the sailing bug while living in Marblehead and no one has found a cure . . . Thankfully. Where do you keep Harmonie?

Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY

Re: Lofrans Tigres and snubbers

stephen_lees@...
 

Miles,

It was a pleasure meeting you in Newport, if only for a moment as you boarded Lady Bug. As it turns out we have a few friends in common. I have known, been friends with and have done too many offshore races over many years with Gary Forster and Juan Corradi. We arranged a rendezvous in Thimbles Islands this past weekend with them.

I am sure a complete rebuild is necessary. The bolts holding the motor to the mounting plate are sheared. The external dog clutch parts were fused into one mass of electrolysis which took me two hours of picking at with a stainless steel X-acto knife to free. The gipsy cones and the sprockets have seen much better days. I sense that the internal dog clutch needs replaced as well as the spring. And of course there is no point it doing this without the complete Lofrans maintenance kits that includes all seals, keys, etc.

We will certainly work with you to coordinate getting together eithe rin Newport or if you find your way to New York City we can meet here.

Best,
Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Stephen,

Anchoring:
  1. I like to lay the chain out without clumps as I am moving in reverse. 
  2. I also like to stop paying out chain 2 times and let the chain jerk against the windlass. This helps set the anchor. It will do no damage if you have properly greased the clutch cone and have not overtightened the 3-prong clutch release-lock...the clutch cone will simply slip a little. 
  3. Then when I am in position, with the motor in idle reverse, I will attach the snubber, paying out the chain until I have a nice lazy loop of chain...
  4. At this point, I will have the helm rev 2200 in reverse to check the set of the anchor...that load will be on the main cleat and snubber.
The 2 times mentioned above also helps in higher winds when the bow catches the wind and begins to turn. The jerking straightens you out again.

I hope this helps...there are hundreds of ways to set an anchor...this is the one that I use.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:47 PM, stephen_lees@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

Thanks for your thoughts. I like the idea of the remote on a long cord. I suppose there are several remotes just for this purpose available with a little digging.

Your anchoring procedures are pretty consistent with mine, but it is true that I have only been using about 12'. I will try the longer and am a fan of the three strand for that purpose.

I only have one question though. As the boat is drifting back and as you are putting tension on the anchor while in reverse, is th stress being taken directly by the windlass. Do you engage the little rotating lock that hooks into the slots in gipsy? Or do you have a chain stopper engaged?

One last note. That is that this is a small world. My teenage years were spent growing up in Marblehead and Hamilton so I know Beverly well, though it isn't the same now as it was back then. I obviously caught the sailing bug while living in Marblehead and no one has found a cure . . . Thankfully. Where do you keep Harmonie?

Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

John Clark
 

I too have, courtesy of the previous owners, a remote control on a coiled cord.  It resides in the V-berth.  The new windlass (Lofgren 1200 watt) does not have the buttons.

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC

On Jul 17, 2017 5:47 PM, "stephen_lees@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

Thanks for your thoughts. I like the idea of the remote on a long cord. I suppose there are several remotes just for this purpose available with a little digging.

Your anchoring procedures are pretty consistent with mine, but it is true that I have only been using about 12'. I will try the longer and am a fan of the three strand for that purpose.

I only have one question though. As the boat is drifting back and as you are putting tension on the anchor while in reverse, is th stress being taken directly by the windlass. Do you engage the little rotating lock that hooks into the slots in gipsy? Or do you have a chain stopper engaged?

One last note. That is that this is a small world. My teenage years were spent growing up in Marblehead and Hamilton so I know Beverly well, though it isn't the same now as it was back then. I obviously caught the sailing bug while living in Marblehead and no one has found a cure . . . Thankfully. Where do you keep Harmonie?

Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Bill,

Did I write 49 kg? It was a typo. I have a 40 kg Vulcan. Rockna recommends a 33 kg and I debated a long time before deciding on the 40. This is the updated Rockna without the hoop on it. I thought it would fit better on the roller but it swings back and forth too much do my taste. But it holds very nicely. I have been using a piece of spectra tied to the anchor and cleated on the main cleat. No strectch and great abrasion resistance.

Anyhow, thanks for your input to this discussion. I agree on using the center roller on the 3 roller configuration.

Best,
Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Eric,
I live in Boston, and I'd be moving the boat if/when the sale completes.  We did the survey last week, but I don't yet have the full report.  There were no major surprises.  I'm just trying to get any and all info I can before I make the leap.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:54 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ryan,
I know the boat . It is across the harbor from me. Do you live near Long Island.?
Has the boat been surveyed?
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, July 17, 2017 4:27 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Hi all,
> I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.
> Do any of
> you have any insider info on this boat?
>
> Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department? I tried
> emailingthrough the generic contact form on their website and
> didn't get a
> response, I haven't tried calling yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Bill,

Thanks for your thoughts. I like the idea of the remote on a long cord. I suppose there are several remotes just for this purpose available with a little digging.

Your anchoring procedures are pretty consistent with mine, but it is true that I have only been using about 12'. I will try the longer and am a fan of the three strand for that purpose.

I only have one question though. As the boat is drifting back and as you are putting tension on the anchor while in reverse, is th stress being taken directly by the windlass. Do you engage the little rotating lock that hooks into the slots in gipsy? Or do you have a chain stopper engaged?

One last note. That is that this is a small world. My teenage years were spent growing up in Marblehead and Hamilton so I know Beverly well, though it isn't the same now as it was back then. I obviously caught the sailing bug while living in Marblehead and no one has found a cure . . . Thankfully. Where do you keep Harmonie?

Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hello Oliver
Thanks a lot, this is great and useful information.
Best rgds.
Ruedi

Von: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Antworten an: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 21:26
An: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>, Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Hello Rüdi,

there has been indeed 165 AMEL 54 made from 2005 to 2011.
Most of them are equipped with FURUNO pilots with hydaulic drives. However, there has been around 40 AMEL 54 originally equipped with Raymarine pilots and electric drives. No B&G pilots but B&G sailing computers (HYDRA 3000).
Of course, as on many AMEL models, there has been some changes with time in the equipment of the AMEL 54, mainly:
-two types of engines: VOLVO D3-110 and VOLKSWAGEN TDI 140-5 (both 5 cylinders with low rpm max torque) All have AUTOPROP props
-two types of bow-thrusters, both with a SLEIPNER SIDE-POWER base but with 4 blades props and maintenance or 5 blades-maintenance free
-two DOLPHIN or MASTERVOLT battery chargers
-one or two windlass (capstan type) 
-two types of gangway (electric or hydraulic)
-genoa furler upgrades (3)
-mainsail in-mast furler (2)
-two kinds of generators ONAN 9.5 or 11kW
-three kinds of watermakers, all from DESSALATOR
-some have two freezers (instead of one)
and some more including several kinds of electronics that I cannot detail quickly here.
Diesel fuel heaters were only installed upon client's wish (not standard).
AMEL never installed stern arches, but some AMEL 54 are equipped with nicely done aluminum stern arches for dinghy and solar panels/wind generators
AMEL installed S/S Simpson electric davits upon client's wish. 

There has been two major recalls from AMEL: main mast reinforcement and Harken deck switches (instead of LEWMAR).

If you have already visited an AMEL 54, you may ask me more questions on this forum or on my gmail address:
olivierbeaute at gmail dot com.

Olivier BEAUTE.




On Monday, July 17, 2017 4:14 PM, "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Ruedi,

The best guy for all this is Joel Potter on this web site; he knows everything - I can copy you the User Manual and the Owner manual - I thought that was what you were after.

I think  about 175 Amel 54’s were built.

My autopilot is Electric Raymarine and I post installed a hydraulic back up as a modification. I have just completed circumnavigation and never had an autopilot problem although it must have been working 90% of sailing and motoring time.

original equipment B & G Instruments, Furuno radar/chart plotter, Raymarine VHF, HF SSB was an option I do not know what Amel installed originally - I did a retrofit with an Icom 801/2. My 54 has Volvo 110 D3 and Kubota, driving Cummings generator 11KVA - Climma Aircon. There is no heater but an Eberspatcher option is available.

I hope this helps but Joel is the best at this.

Peter 
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:59, Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Peter

Thanks, english is not a problem. 

Mainly I tried to find out how many Amel 54 was build and which hull number on which years. 
But also what kind of original manufacturer equipment they used as standard in those years. 

E.g. I have seen P&G and Raymarine as autopilot equipment. One question was; does AMEL used on the AMEL 54 electrical autopilot or hydraulic ones? 

Thanks for investigation and best regards
Ruedi
Currently "boatless" ;)

Von: "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 15:20
An: "Barry Connor connor_barry@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: <uster@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Ruedi,

I have masses of data on the 54 - what are you looking for.

mine is all in English however.

best wishes
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:18, Rudolf Waldispuehl Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Good afternoon Alexandre and AMEL folks 

I'm also very new with this group and I have tried out and explored "www.sailboatdata.com" by curiosity because I'm searching data for AMEL 54. 
I was surprised that there is no data about the AMEL 54. There are literally all AMEL-Models on the list even the new AMEL 55 but not the AMEL 54 build from 2005 until 2012? Is there a reason for it?

Is there a certain number of AMEL 54 users/community on this amelowners@yahoogroup who may be surprised/curious about this fact as well?

Thanks
Ruedi
Von: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 13:23
An: <amelyachtowners@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

 
Good morning Thomas, 
Pretty cool!  
Congratulations and welcome to the group!  
Here are some link (mostly in French) on the Amel Copain:  
http://flot18.free.fr/Copain.html
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=8667
http://www.minicroiseur.fr/de-4.83-a-6m/114/copain.htm

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI

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On Mon, 7/17/17, Tom thom_sg@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, July 17, 2017, 4:40 AM

Hello,
my
name is Thomas and I am new in this group.
Last
month I bought an old "Le Copain" here in
Germany.
I
like this small boat but also need additional
informations
like constructional drawings
and / or brochures and handouts.
I
know that this boat was build in the 1960s, but I hope
someone
here in the group has informations
for me.
ThanksThomas






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

eric freedman