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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

James Alton
 

Christian Alby,

   Thank you for the details of what happened to your engine, perhaps it will help me avoid the same fate with my engine in the future.  

   I hope that you can find the rest of the parts that you need to rebuild your engine.    To me the 4-154 seems to be a really good match for my Maramu in all respects.

   It might be worth considering some of the other possible sources of diesel fuel in the oil other than just the diesel lift pump.  Does your original diesel fuel lift pump have a small vent hole on the bottom?  I have replaced a number of diesel fuel lift pumps on various engines that were leaking fuel out through the aforementioned vent hole that did not seem to have a problem with diesel getting into the oil.  Other sources of diesel in the oil to consider might be dribbling injectors or a leaking shaft seal on your injection pump.  I have experienced the former problem with a rise in oil level but this was with engines that were sitting idle.  The latter problem with the injection pump shaft seal leaking seems to be a fairly common issue on Perkins based on Web searches rather than on personal experience.  Apparently the problem can arise if conditions allow the injection pump input shaft to develop corrosion in the area of the shaft seal.  My engine sat for perhaps 4 years without being run before I purchase the boat so this might be a concern for me to look into as well.

    I thank you for sharing your details since I will now know to keep a careful eye out for any indication of oil thinning or other signs of diesel in the oil.  I think that your advice to install the mechanical oil pressure gauge is a good one and I will bring the needed parts back to Sueno on the next trip.  I am also wondering about carrying a viscosity tester (perhaps a viscosity cup) to check the oil.

Best of luck and let me know how the rebuild works out for you.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

 

   

On Nov 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Good evening to you
thanks for the tip on oïl pumps; will inquire to keep my adress book updated.
I just found one pump with a Perkins dealer in France who keeps parts for engines on tractors & earth moving eqpt.

Like most failures this one forewarned well in advance but was misinterpreted for real cause.
my engine dates back to 1982; about 6500 Hrs run, with good records of maintenance unrtil 2004, then 10 years without records whilst in the mediterranean.
the engine was running perfectly when I bought the boat April 2016; oïl pressure at 3.2 bar (46 psi) cold started, & 2.5 bars (36 psi) running at 1600 rpm, down to 1.8 bar (26 psi) idling at 600 rpm.
Engine oïl (15W40) changed about 100 hrs ago. No loss neither darkening on oïl gauge. Temperature at 70°C running. No fumes on exhaust.

Trouble started late sep-2017 running down the Mediterranean, on our way to Gibraltar; one low pressure at 1.1 bar (16 psi) when idling during docking maneuvers in port. Checked oïl, added 1/2 liter to build up level; thought about faulty bearing ...
Worsened when we landed in Lanzarote, after a long spell (20 hrs) running the engine.
Until departure from Santa Cruz Tenerife, when I found an abnormal level of oïl, with light viscosity, & left on our way to Cabo Verde, just to have the engine 'self-ignited' accelerating wildly with cloud of white smoke - I had to engage clutch to stop it.
Sailed back to port & checked engine - emptied oïl from engine & pumped out 12 liters of Diesel & oïl mixture. 
Diesel had been sipping into the lube oïl, stopping lubrification of engine parts.
As we did not have a conclusive reason for teh failure took advantage of a good workshop (rectificadora) in Santa Cruz to take the engine apart & check components for damage.
found piston rings gone as a direct result of failure.
Then found damage due to poor maintenance in the past of the past of the boat with wear on camshaft & tappets, bottom of pistons scored lightly as well as liners, oïl pump scored on rotor & housing, but still no real cause for Diesel oïl to mix with lube oïl. Apart from the diaphram on the Diesel oïl lift pump being slightly (?) worn. 
Nothing conclusive yet but I will rebuild the engine with new pistons, liners, bearings & seals; Replace the oïl pump, camshaft & tappets if I find parts in better condition. 
And replace the Diesel oïl lift pump or replace diaphragm & inner parts, as this seems to be the way the DO could enter the lube oïl circuit.

Free advice : a pressure gauge in addition to the buzzer will give you clear indication of fault in progress. then check oïl for density & cleanliness & follow the fault finding clues by Perkins, they are the result of long term experience.
Our engines are Worth it as they can run as long as we feed them well.

Fair winds, clean diesel & heavy oïl

Christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Santa Cruz de Tenerife

Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80


Le ‎samedi‎ ‎4‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎19‎:‎46‎:‎14‎ ‎CET, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :


 

Christina Alby,


   Sorry to hear about the damage to your Perkins 154.  There are currently oil pumps listed on Ebay that are supposed to fit the 4-154 but they do not look like the same pump as in the manual to me.  I will attempt to post the link here:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Oil-Pump-Massey-Ferguson-41314078-135-150-154-4-154-4S-Ford-JCB-Perkins/282026238213?epid=1554830820&hash=item41aa12e105:g:AykAAOSwubRXKQfv

   May I ask you if there were any warning signs of the impending failure of your oil pump?  How many hours were on your engine when the meltdown happened?  I have the same engine in my Maramu and it now has a little over 4,100 hours.  It seems to be running perfectly, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t consume oil but I am noticing that the oil pressure warning buzzer sounds almost as soon as the engine is stopped.  I don’t know if this is normal on this engine or not.  I am planning to hook up a mechanical gauge to find out what the actual pressure is, I think that the relief valve is set at 30 psi.?  I would like to keep this engine healthy for as long as possible.  If any other Perkins 154 owners can provide any advice on what to look out for or how to care for an aging Perkins 154  it would be very much  appreciated.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy



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Am Dienstag, Oktober 31, 2017, 07:10 schrieb calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I am looking for repair parts to rebuild the Perkins 60 HP diesel engine on Désirade VIII - Maramu N° 116 built 1982.

The engine gave up on me in Tenerife, went in a cloud of smoke as DO went down & mixed with lube oïl, due to faulty oïl pump (worn out - loss of oïl pressure) . 

I sourced suppliers to rebuild cylinder head & blocks, but have difficulty finding a replacement camshaft & tappets, as well as a lube oïl pump. 

I am now looking for one old Perkins M 4.154, laid up somewhere in the world (as close as possible to Europe would be best) to purchase & use for parts, then refit as spare, as I feel more confident to rebuild & run an old engine than to go for the new generation, driven by computers, to sail in out of the main sea-routes.

Interested to hear from you all who did replace your engines.

Fair winds (as I hope to return to the same)


christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu # 116 - now in Marina Atlantico Santa Cruz de Tenerife.






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

scentstone
 

Hi Mark,

I didn't keep the accumulator of the AMFA pump, just removed the whole thing and replaced by the Whale. I didn't notice any delay in the arrival of water… 
Of course the pump feeds as well the hot water tank.
As explained above, the green light on the 24V panel helps a lot at viewing possible losses in the water circuits and avoid emptying the water tank without notice - I think it's really useful
From our experience, the power of the Whale 24V is enough for fresh and hot water, kitchen or shower use.

I'm thinking at replacing the anchor washer Amfa pump by a simple device like this one but I'm still thinking at a more powerful one because washing the chain is really pressure dependant… Did a member already experience the replacement ? and which model or pressure is convenient ?

Best
Fred. S/V ScentStone SM2K #375
Currently in Australia


B&G Masthead Unit

Duane Siegfri
 

My anemometer stopped turning and after rescuing it from the top of the mast, I decided to replace the bearings.  That didn't work out so well, because the lower housing (part no. 213-10-038 in the exploded view found in the Photos section if you search for "Masthead Unit") was frozen onto the the threads from the part above it.  I tried everything to loosen it, but in the end it twisted off the threads from the part above, so now it's not repairable. 


I'm writing only to note that there was an o-ring above part 213-10-038 to seal it to part 213-10-003 (it's not shown on the view noted above).  The o-ring was hard and stiff.  If it had been replaced at regular intervals (5 years?) it would have saved the $1,000 cost of the new one.  


If you do try to replace it, I would not torque it very much at all.  The threads coming from the part 213-10-003 are pretty delicate.  I believe it's salt crystals that caused the threads to sieze.


In contrast part 213-30-008 unscrewed easily from 213-10-003, probably because water running downward did not tend to collect there as it did in the lower part.


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

seagasm
 

My dishwasher works very well and has done so for many a year. Why, I even sleep with her.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SV #171


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Good evening to you
thanks for the tip on oïl pumps; will inquire to keep my adress book updated.
I just found one pump with a Perkins dealer in France who keeps parts for engines on tractors & earth moving eqpt.

Like most failures this one forewarned well in advance but was misinterpreted for real cause.
my engine dates back to 1982; about 6500 Hrs run, with good records of maintenance unrtil 2004, then 10 years without records whilst in the mediterranean.
the engine was running perfectly when I bought the boat April 2016; oïl pressure at 3.2 bar (46 psi) cold started, & 2.5 bars (36 psi) running at 1600 rpm, down to 1.8 bar (26 psi) idling at 600 rpm.
Engine oïl (15W40) changed about 100 hrs ago. No loss neither darkening on oïl gauge. Temperature at 70°C running. No fumes on exhaust.

Trouble started late sep-2017 running down the Mediterranean, on our way to Gibraltar; one low pressure at 1.1 bar (16 psi) when idling during docking maneuvers in port. Checked oïl, added 1/2 liter to build up level; thought about faulty bearing ...
Worsened when we landed in Lanzarote, after a long spell (20 hrs) running the engine.
Until departure from Santa Cruz Tenerife, when I found an abnormal level of oïl, with light viscosity, & left on our way to Cabo Verde, just to have the engine 'self-ignited' accelerating wildly with cloud of white smoke - I had to engage clutch to stop it.
Sailed back to port & checked engine - emptied oïl from engine & pumped out 12 liters of Diesel & oïl mixture. 
Diesel had been sipping into the lube oïl, stopping lubrification of engine parts.
As we did not have a conclusive reason for teh failure took advantage of a good workshop (rectificadora) in Santa Cruz to take the engine apart & check components for damage.
found piston rings gone as a direct result of failure.
Then found damage due to poor maintenance in the past of the past of the boat with wear on camshaft & tappets, bottom of pistons scored lightly as well as liners, oïl pump scored on rotor & housing, but still no real cause for Diesel oïl to mix with lube oïl. Apart from the diaphram on the Diesel oïl lift pump being slightly (?) worn.
Nothing conclusive yet but I will rebuild the engine with new pistons, liners, bearings & seals; Replace the oïl pump, camshaft & tappets if I find parts in better condition. 
And replace the Diesel oïl lift pump or replace diaphragm & inner parts, as this seems to be the way the DO could enter the lube oïl circuit.

Free advice : a pressure gauge in addition to the buzzer will give you clear indication of fault in progress. then check oïl for density & cleanliness & follow the fault finding clues by Perkins, they are the result of long term experience.
Our engines are Worth it as they can run as long as we feed them well.

Fair winds, clean diesel & heavy oïl

Christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Santa Cruz de Tenerife

Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80


Le ‎samedi‎ ‎4‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎19‎:‎46‎:‎14‎ ‎CET, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Christina Alby,


   Sorry to hear about the damage to your Perkins 154.  There are currently oil pumps listed on Ebay that are supposed to fit the 4-154 but they do not look like the same pump as in the manual to me.  I will attempt to post the link here:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Oil-Pump-Massey-Ferguson-41314078-135-150-154-4-154-4S-Ford-JCB-Perkins/282026238213?epid=1554830820&hash=item41aa12e105:g:AykAAOSwubRXKQfv

   May I ask you if there were any warning signs of the impending failure of your oil pump?  How many hours were on your engine when the meltdown happened?  I have the same engine in my Maramu and it now has a little over 4,100 hours.  It seems to be running perfectly, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t consume oil but I am noticing that the oil pressure warning buzzer sounds almost as soon as the engine is stopped.  I don’t know if this is normal on this engine or not.  I am planning to hook up a mechanical gauge to find out what the actual pressure is, I think that the relief valve is set at 30 psi.?  I would like to keep this engine healthy for as long as possible.  If any other Perkins 154 owners can provide any advice on what to look out for or how to care for an aging Perkins 154  it would be very much  appreciated.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy



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Am Dienstag, Oktober 31, 2017, 07:10 schrieb calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I am looking for repair parts to rebuild the Perkins 60 HP diesel engine on Désirade VIII - Maramu N° 116 built 1982.

The engine gave up on me in Tenerife, went in a cloud of smoke as DO went down & mixed with lube oïl, due to faulty oïl pump (worn out - loss of oïl pressure) . 

I sourced suppliers to rebuild cylinder head & blocks, but have difficulty finding a replacement camshaft & tappets, as well as a lube oïl pump. 

I am now looking for one old Perkins M 4.154, laid up somewhere in the world (as close as possible to Europe would be best) to purchase & use for parts, then refit as spare, as I feel more confident to rebuild & run an old engine than to go for the new generation, driven by computers, to sail in out of the main sea-routes.

Interested to hear from you all who did replace your engines.

Fair winds (as I hope to return to the same)


christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu # 116 - now in Marina Atlantico Santa Cruz de Tenerife.




Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

Duane Siegfri
 

We didn't use the dishwasher, so we removed it to free up the storage space.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

James Alton
 

Christina Alby,

   Sorry to hear about the damage to your Perkins 154.  There are currently oil pumps listed on Ebay that are supposed to fit the 4-154 but they do not look like the same pump as in the manual to me.  I will attempt to post the link here:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Oil-Pump-Massey-Ferguson-41314078-135-150-154-4-154-4S-Ford-JCB-Perkins/282026238213?epid=1554830820&hash=item41aa12e105:g:AykAAOSwubRXKQfv

   May I ask you if there were any warning signs of the impending failure of your oil pump?  How many hours were on your engine when the meltdown happened?  I have the same engine in my Maramu and it now has a little over 4,100 hours.  It seems to be running perfectly, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t consume oil but I am noticing that the oil pressure warning buzzer sounds almost as soon as the engine is stopped.  I don’t know if this is normal on this engine or not.  I am planning to hook up a mechanical gauge to find out what the actual pressure is, I think that the relief valve is set at 30 psi.?  I would like to keep this engine healthy for as long as possible.  If any other Perkins 154 owners can provide any advice on what to look out for or how to care for an aging Perkins 154  it would be very much  appreciated.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy



Gesendet von Yahoo Mail für iPad

Am Dienstag, Oktober 31, 2017, 07:10 schrieb calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I am looking for repair parts to rebuild the Perkins 60 HP diesel engine on Désirade VIII - Maramu N° 116 built 1982.

The engine gave up on me in Tenerife, went in a cloud of smoke as DO went down & mixed with lube oïl, due to faulty oïl pump (worn out - loss of oïl pressure) . 

I sourced suppliers to rebuild cylinder head & blocks, but have difficulty finding a replacement camshaft & tappets, as well as a lube oïl pump. 

I am now looking for one old Perkins M 4.154, laid up somewhere in the world (as close as possible to Europe would be best) to purchase & use for parts, then refit as spare, as I feel more confident to rebuild & run an old engine than to go for the new generation, driven by computers, to sail in out of the main sea-routes.

Interested to hear from you all who did replace your engines.

Fair winds (as I hope to return to the same)


christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu # 116 - now in Marina Atlantico Santa Cruz de Tenerife.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

Mark Erdos
 

Fred,

 

Did you keep the accumulator tank? Or, does the tank remove the need for one?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Carriacou

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 10:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

 

 

Hi,

 

I can add another piece of information to this thread.

I replaced the AMFA by a Whale pump Ref : FW1225        Whale Watermaster 3.0 GPM, 24 V d.c which was really easy to install including the connection of the wiring of the functioning green light.
It's  really smaller (save room around) cheaper (I have one in spare) and does perfectly the job of giving fresh water immediately where it's requested ;-)

Just a small work to do is to prepare the pipes connection in order to connect with the in and out part of the boat.

 

Link below :

 

All the best

Fred S/V ScentStone SM2K #375

Currently in Australia


Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

scentstone
 

Hi,

I can add another piece of information to this thread.

I replaced the AMFA by a Whale pump Ref : FW1225 Whale Watermaster 3.0 GPM, 24 V d.c which was really easy to install including the connection of the wiring of the functioning green light.
It's  really smaller (save room around) cheaper (I have one in spare) and does perfectly the job of giving fresh water immediately where it's requested ;-)

Just a small work to do is to prepare the pipes connection in order to connect with the in and out part of the boat.

Link below :

All the best
Fred S/V ScentStone SM2K #375
Currently in Australia


Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...
 

We used the dish washer not to often. It was a help when we had friends on board and a lot of dish to clean. We are always surprised how fast the dish washer cleans the dish.

The washing machine on board is perfect. It makes it so much easier. We had never problems using it. 

Oliver 
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397


Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

Paul Osterberg
 

We use the washing machine but the dishwasher is replaced by a freezer 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer

james Hosford
 

Thanks that's good info that it will do two sets of sheets!!!!


On Nov 3, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Wouldn't sail one meter without the washingmachine. It is big enough for sheets to two beds. I think it is suitable for up to 5 kg dry laundry.
Our dishwasher is a perfect place to place the wet dish, and very convinient when you have friends onboard for dinner.

/Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPad

3 nov. 2017 kl. 19:34 skrev Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

How many people use the dishwasher and clothes washer ? Or do you typically just wash by hand or go ashore for laundry?



Re: Fresh water tanks

Andy Croney
 

Hi Miles,

Just wanted to add that when we opened and cleaned our water tank , on our 1980 Maramu, we found it to be made of coated steel ..??

Just by way of information .

All the best

Andy
SV Paladin
Maramu #75


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Wouldn't sail one meter without the washingmachine. It is big enough for sheets to two beds. I think it is suitable for up to 5 kg dry laundry.
Our dishwasher is a perfect place to place the wet dish, and very convinient when you have friends onboard for dinner.

/Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPad

3 nov. 2017 kl. 19:34 skrev Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

How many people use the dishwasher and clothes washer ? Or do you typically just wash by hand or go ashore for laundry?



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Strange lofrans tigres [2 Attachments]

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Which vessel model do you have?
Look at the 2 following links, this might help you.
Lofrans Tigres Windlass Basic Maintenance
http://www.nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html

and Lofrans Tigres Windlass Overhaul
http://www.nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Fri, 11/3/17, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Strange lofrans tigres [2 Attachments]
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, November 3, 2017, 5:41 PM


 









[Attachment(s) from smiles bernard
included below]


Hi there

My lofrans tigres seems to be odd

The rope drum is mounted on the same side as the chain gypsy
- which it shouldn't be

The manual /emergency handle fitting is no where to be seen
and there are some odd packing pieces instead I presume !



Thought I'd share the anomaly and wondered if anyone had
any ideas

Order the missing parts vs start again!?


Strange lofrans tigres

smiles bernard
 

Hi there
My lofrans tigres seems to be odd
The rope drum is mounted on the same side as the chain gypsy - which it shouldn't be
The manual /emergency handle fitting is no where to be seen and there are some odd packing pieces instead I presume !

Thought I'd share the anomaly and wondered if anyone had any ideas
Order the missing parts vs start again!?






All the very best

Miles
Maramu 162


Spinnaker pole fitting maramu

smiles bernard
 

Hello
Our 'new to us' old maramu has a broken fitting that I'm unsure how to replace
It's the cast fitting that fits on the end of the short pole. I've attached a photo I hope of the one that is not broken.

It's build by Barbarossa originally

Does anyone have any ideas where I might find a replacement?

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu 162. 1985


Re: Fresh water tanks

smiles bernard
 

Hi Dennis
Yes I might do the same with the small inline tanks. The watermaker is supposed to test before it pushes out the drinking water but I'm not sure I'd trust it !!
Out of interest where did you install yours and what did you do for a saltwater throughhull? Tee off the Engine seacock?
My engine seacock already also serves the aft heads. Not sure if that was normal. Feels unlikely

All the very best and thanks again
Miles


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy type and storage

smiles bernard
 

I've been pondering this exact same question.
I'm thinking of building a nesting dink that sails rows and takes a small outboard
I have young kids so sailing dinghy is a major must have item
I was assuming I could nest it and tie does under the mizzen boom but I've not been at see yet with the boat beyond day hops and we will be crossing oceans so it'd be great to hear others thoughts on this

Fair winds
Miles
Maramu #162


Re: Fresh water tanks

smiles bernard
 

Hi Alex
Thanks for taking the time to respond
I hope we find the same clean water tanks!
It's mainly a musty taste so fingers crossed it's nothing sinister lurking requiring relining

I really like the coffee filter idea. great thinking! We have a canister at home in the domestic system. I'll look and see what's cheapest!

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu 1985