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Re: Fresh water tanks

smiles bernard
 

Hi Alex
Thanks for taking the time to respond
I hope we find the same clean water tanks!
It's mainly a musty taste so fingers crossed it's nothing sinister lurking requiring relining

I really like the coffee filter idea. great thinking! We have a canister at home in the domestic system. I'll look and see what's cheapest!

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu 1985


Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

Alan Leslie
 

We use the dishwasher as a drying rack and then once in a while actually run it to keep it clean.
We use the clothes washer all the time...ours is a Siemens and it does a better job than any marina laundry I've ever used.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

smiles bernard
 

Hi Joel
Many thanks for taking the time to respond with that great info ūüĎć. Really helpful. Thank you¬†
I'll move the table and see what I can find. 
Sounds like some folks gelcoat lining on the tanks has become damaged. Hopefully mines ok. If not I can't imaging access for repair is an easy job!
Talking of unpleasant jobs I've been wondering about tackling the bonding cable to keel bolt in the deep bilge but I can't even see the nut !

Thanks again and fair winds
Miles
Maramu #162



On 2 Nov 2017, at 12:31, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Miles. Are you aware that you can remove the large slotted screws at the base of the saloon table where it meets the  sole and then lift the table ( it is heavy ) to find the access ports into the several baffle sections of your fresh water tanks? When you clean out the organic matter I am sure you will find, DO NOT USE BLEACH. White vinegar is a good alternative  If you intend to drink the water from the tank, there are several high quality filters that get rid of most any nasty stuff that may find its way back inside such as a Seagull from www..generalecology.com. Other systems work too but I am very familiar with the Seagull as it was optional from Amel at original construction and often ordered by my customers. You should access and clean the interior of your tanks yearly.

 

James, your boat almost certainly does have an anti-osmotic epoxy/platelet barrier coating system. It is installed INSIDE the gel coat. In other words, after the gel coat is applied to the mold, the anti-osmosis system goes in after. This is a proprietary system from Amel. The logic was if installed behind the gel coat, it is less likely to be inadvertently removed by overly aggressive bottom preparation/sanding by a boatyard worker paying more attention to the pretty girl with a nice figure walking by than his power sanding technique. That is exactly how it was explained to me by Amel guys at the shipyard!! Perspective. Ah, just one more reason I love the French.

 

Maybe Olivier will let us know precisely when this osmosis treatment was implemented. I think it was late 1985 or early 1986.

 

Have fun with your Anel. Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 6:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

 

 

Miles,

 

¬† ¬†When I bought my 1987 Maramu, the water had been sitting in the tank about 1/3 full for 4 years. ¬†I did not drink it as it smelled a bit ‚Äúswampy‚ÄĚ. ¬†Upon opening the tanks, I found snails and a considerable growth of black mildew, mainly on the upper portion and undersides of the tank. ¬†After a thorough scrubbing and removal of the organics plus flushing the water tank a few times, the water no longer has any smell or taste ¬†The interior coating which appears to be gelcoat on my boat is ¬†is cracked in a few places and ¬†so the water is getting to the laminate in places. ¬†There were also a lot of gelcoat chips in the bottom of the tank which were getting into the plumbing and plugging the faucets. ¬†The interior of my tank showed no blistering at all but the exterior of the hull which has never been barrier coated also shows no blisters (and no voids when tested with Ultrasonics) ¬†so this may be a function of the resin used. ¬†When my boat is laid up, I completely drain the tank, open the very fwd and aft access port and run a fan for a couple of days to remove the rest of the moisture. ¬†(I was told by Michel Charpentier that this was the best way to leave the tank if the boat will be in storage for a while and it makes sense to me as well) This should reduce the future mildew growth. ¬† While the tank water now tastes fine, I have been using bottled water for drinking where possible for personal consumption unless I am out of the bottled water. ¬† My long term plan so currently is to recoat the interior of the tank with a safe coating and to then install a low pressure RO unit such as is used in homes (driven by the city water pressure) for the drinking water source. ¬†

 

   The 1000L water capacity is a great feature of the boat IMO.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Nov 2, 2017, at 5:50 AM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi there 

On previous boats I've had stainless water tanks 

My 1985 maramu has the tanks built into the hull. I guess all the Amels of that era did 

The water has a pretty unpleasant tang to it so I'll do some tank cleaning 

But I'm due to fit a watermaker soon and wondering if I should fit a small additional tank isolated just for drinking Something that is easy to clean etc

I wonder if the tart is due to the water tanks being integral to hull. 
I'd be interested to hear if others with a similar original setup have issues with unpleasant taste of water.

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu #162

 


Re: Fresh water tanks

Alejandro Paquin
 

Hello Miles,
Our Maramu is hull #94, built in 1981. Three years ago, we removed the center table, and decided to open all the water compartments to inspect them. To our surprise, the tanks were rather clean, since it was the first time in 30 odd years it had ever been done. I guess it is a function of the source of the water you fill the tank with. We used a hydrojet to clean the light coat of slime, and scrubbed down with brushes. 
We don¬īt have a watermaker. The previous owner would treat the tanks with a little household bleach (Clorox), 1/2 cup for the whole tank. We don¬īt do that generally.
For drinking we use a high capacity Everpure OCS2, which is a commercial coffee machine filter which does an excellent job of producing a tastefree, pure water.

Alex
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981
Hull#94


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer

Mark Erdos
 

Jay,

 

We used our dishwasher every night until the heating element shorted. I have another but haven’t had a chance to install yet. When on the hook, we charge batteries and run AC before going to bed. This is when we run the dishwasher.

 

The washing machine we use about 2 times per week. We do not use the dryer function. It takes too much electricity. We air dry the clothes. This works just as fast as the dry cycle on the washer/dryer. Give the clothes a good long spin at high rpm.

 

Laundry ashore is expensive!!!! We’ve seen washers and dryers at $5 per load.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 3:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer

 

 

How many people use the dishwasher and clothes washer ? Or do you typically just wash by hand or go ashore for laundry?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

I deleted the DW 3 years ago.  However, after trying to find a replacement for my ancient washing machine, I elected to transform the wet locker to a full size combo washer and dryer.  I. Chose a Siemens IQ 500 made for the Turkey market which incorporates a wider acceptable voltage range… funny voltage in Turkey.

GL

Jean-Pierre
Eleuthera, SM007


On 3 Nov 2017, at 15:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I did not use my dishwasher much, usually once a month when I was exercising the generator (I would exercise every thing: scuba compressor, air conditioning, 220 volt water maker, etc.)  
The washing machine I used a lot more, every week when there was no laundry facility at the marina.  

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on September 6 during Hurricane Irma at 
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

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On Fri, 11/3/17, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, November 3, 2017, 2:34 PM


 









How many people use the dishwasher and clothes
washer ? Or do you typically just wash by hand or go
ashore for laundry?










Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

We use the clothes washer but the dishwasher had gone and the space used for a top opening fridge.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl 

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 4 Nov 2017 08:34, "Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

How many people use the dishwasher and clothes washer ? Or do you typically just wash by hand or go ashore for laundry?



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer

james Hosford
 

Thank you for the response.   So they are big enough to actually do the job and be useful


On Nov 3, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I did not use my dishwasher much, usually once a month when I was exercising the generator (I would exercise every thing: scuba compressor, air conditioning, 220 volt water maker, etc.)
The washing machine I used a lot more, every week when there was no laundry facility at the marina.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on September 6 during Hurricane Irma at
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

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On Fri, 11/3/17, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, November 3, 2017, 2:34 PM


 









How many people use the dishwasher and clothes
washer ? Or do you typically just wash by hand or go
ashore for laundry?









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I did not use my dishwasher much, usually once a month when I was exercising the generator (I would exercise every thing: scuba compressor, air conditioning, 220 volt water maker, etc.)
The washing machine I used a lot more, every week when there was no laundry facility at the marina.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on September 6 during Hurricane Irma at
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA




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On Fri, 11/3/17, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dish washer/washer dryer
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, November 3, 2017, 2:34 PM


 









How many people use the dishwasher and clothes
washer ? Or do you typically just wash by hand or go
ashore for laundry?


Dish washer/washer dryer

james Hosford
 

How many people use the dishwasher and clothes washer ? Or do you typically just wash by hand or go ashore for laundry?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy type and storage

Nat Bossett
 

On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 05:51:26PM -0500, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
What's the consensus on dinghy type and storage on an amel maramu? I
see a lot other permanent rack ahead of the mast, while some with it
tied down to the rear cabin top.
A Portabote is great for fast use and it folds down to the size of a
surfboard so there are lots of options for storage.

If you were day cruising in calm waters using the aft cabin top might be
tempting because of the mizzen boom. Anecdotally, for me it's been easier
to maneuver things off and back on the boat from the after deck than
forward. She's beamy enough that hoisting a dinghy with a halyard and
pushing it out over the side from the foredeck is a bit of a hassle.

I don't really like to have inflatables inflated while underway except for
short calm hops.

-Nathan

#29


Re: Dinghy type and storage

sbmesasailor
 

I suppose a lot of it has to do with where you plan to cruise in your Maramu.  Space is a little more limited on the Maramu than on the SM and larger Amels.  We knew that we were going to cross a couple of oceans and did not want to have it on deck during those crossings (much less have something hanging from davits off the stern).  We selected a four man dinghy with an inflatable floor.  The dinghy could be deflated, folded and stowed in one of the forward bow holds.  Eventually the inflatable floor failed (holes that could not be repaired) and we had a rigid plywood floor fabricated.  It's a bitch to install, but once in it works great as the bladder to form a hull wedge still inflates.  With the 9.8 Tohatsu I can quickly get up to plane with two aboard and when we are gunkholing from anchorage to anchorage, we lift the dinghy and engine together onto the foredeck, protecting the deck from the engine lower unit with beach wheels extended.

If I wasn't going to cross oceans, I would go with one of the many hard bottom options but keep it short to fit on the foredeck or the aft deck.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121 


Re: Fresh water tanks

sbmesasailor
 

I guess we've just been lucky.  We've never cleaned our fresh water tank (if it ain't broke...?).  We shocked it with a chlorine treatment once when we first bought the boat.  But since we bought the boat, it has been in pretty constant use and the tank has been emptied and refilled with sanitized/treated water regularly.  We did install a charcoal filter under the sink and a separate spigot for drinking water and have never had any guests wrinkle their face at the taste -they usually request more because we keep a supply of water on ice in a large pump thermos.  Never had any problem with stuff from the tank clogging the system, so hope everything is fine down there.  I suppose once we get Libertad back to the states I should put that on my "To Do" list but it's been good for 16 years, so I doubt I'll get into the habit of cleaning it once a year. 

In response to the suggestion that a separate tank be used for drinking water, I had a similar concern when I installed our watermaker.  I installed a 3 gallon tank in line to the main tank.  It acts as a test tank.  Every time I fire up the watermaker, if the 3 gallon tank tests fine after several minutes of watermaking, I open up the valve to the main tank.  I could never quite get it in my mind that you can change salt water to fresh water and I constantly feared I'd contaminate our fresh water due to a malfunction with the watermaker.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
     


Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Sorry if I didn’t make it clear my pump is the 24v #4158-163-e75 which is rated @5 GPM or  18.9 LPM
This is a different spec to the one you quote, more than enough, the danger being one stays under the 
shower because it‚Äôs so so refreshing!!it really highlights how poor/moderate the existing pump was. Mind you it will ‚Äúfind‚ÄĚ any weakness in your plumbing/joints!! As I said if the galley warning lamp is important this makes a simple connection. Of course there are other pumps on the market, as they say. I have no financial interest in Shurflo!
P.S. details shown in Budget Marine catalogue page 426.
Happy plumbing.


Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

Duane Siegfri
 

Caramel,

Thanks, that helps.  Your pump shows up at 3 gpm, if that's good enough for your use and the shower, the 4 gmp March pump should be more than fine.  

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Joel and James,

I cannot be 100% sure, of course, but the I think the first Maramus, Sharkis and Mangos to have the glass scales coating after the gel-coat and before the first glass cloth, were produced in mid 1986.

Cheers.

Olivier


On Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:50 PM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Joel,

   Thanks for clarifying my statement about the barrier coating on my boat so that there is no confusion with others.  Oliver kindly responded to me on the board several months ago and told me that he was also pretty sure that my boat would have the Amel anti-osmotic barrier.  What I meant to say in my previous post was that my boat does not have any barrier coating on the hull other than what Amel put there originally.  

   Cute story about why Amel put the barrier coating inside the gel coat.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 2, 2017, at 9:31 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James, your boat almost certainly does have an anti-osmotic epoxy/platelet barrier coating system. It is installed INSIDE the gel coat. In other words, after the gel coat is applied to the mold, the anti-osmosis system goes in after. This is a proprietary system from Amel. The logic was if installed behind the gel coat, it is less likely to be inadvertently removed by overly aggressive bottom preparation/sanding by a boatyard worker paying more attention to the pretty girl with a nice figure walking by than his power sanding technique. That is exactly how it was explained to me by Amel guys at the shipyard!! Perspective. Ah, just one more reason I love the French.
 
Maybe Olivier will let us know precisely when this osmosis treatment was implemented. I think it was late 1985 or early 1986.
 
Have fun with your Anel. Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell




Re: Dinghy type and storage

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We stored our new Highfield Ultralite 290 RIB dinghy like you see on the picture. We tried different types of storage but find at the end this one a good solution. Still good sight ahead, no blocked hatches, you can use the automatic winch to haul it out of the water. 

For shorter distances we also stored the dinghy like you see but turned it. It makes it easier to store it and to haul it back in the water, because you don't have to turn it. 

We take more lines to secure it like you see on the picture.

We put old fenders or pillows on the bottom so we don't scratch the boat. 

The 2,90 m dinghy was for our family (2 adults, 2 kids) perfect. Enough space for diving equipment, shopping and two more passengers as guests.

The type/size of the dinghy depends at the end on the size of your engine and the number of passengers.

I would always recommend a aluminum hull because of the light weight, even when the dinghy is more expensive.

 
Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397


Dinghy type and storage

james Hosford
 

What's the consensus on dinghy type and storage on an amel maramu? I see a lot other permanent rack ahead of the mast, while some with it tied down to the rear cabin top.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

James Alton
 

Joel,

   Thanks for clarifying my statement about the barrier coating on my boat so that there is no confusion with others.  Oliver kindly responded to me on the board several months ago and told me that he was also pretty sure that my boat would have the Amel anti-osmotic barrier.  What I meant to say in my previous post was that my boat does not have any barrier coating on the hull other than what Amel put there originally.  

   Cute story about why Amel put the barrier coating inside the gel coat.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 2, 2017, at 9:31 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James, your boat almost certainly does have an anti-osmotic epoxy/platelet barrier coating system. It is installed INSIDE the gel coat. In other words, after the gel coat is applied to the mold, the anti-osmosis system goes in after. This is a proprietary system from Amel. The logic was if installed behind the gel coat, it is less likely to be inadvertently removed by overly aggressive bottom preparation/sanding by a boatyard worker paying more attention to the pretty girl with a nice figure walking by than his power sanding technique. That is exactly how it was explained to me by Amel guys at the shipyard!! Perspective. Ah, just one more reason I love the French.

 

Maybe Olivier will let us know precisely when this osmosis treatment was implemented. I think it was late 1985 or early 1986.

 

Have fun with your Anel. Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell



Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Just read your post re fresh water pump replacement. Following advice given some time ago on the sight I replaced my pump (fitted to 385 2003 SM) with a shurflo aqua king 2 24v. The reason being that this enabled me to wire in the warning light in the galley, I tried the Jabsco par 4 because of the internal electronics this pump will not connect to the galley light. The accumulator tank is not necessary, a personal choice.
The difference ‚Äúunder the shower‚ÄĚ is significantly better, decisions decisions.
Patrick CARAMELLE #385 Jolly Harbour w.e.f.16 November.