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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

James Alton
 

Miles,

   When I bought my 1987 Maramu, the water had been sitting in the tank about 1/3 full for 4 years.  I did not drink it as it smelled a bit “swampy”.  Upon opening the tanks, I found snails and a considerable growth of black mildew, mainly on the upper portion and undersides of the tank.  After a thorough scrubbing and removal of the organics plus flushing the water tank a few times, the water no longer has any smell or taste.  The interior coating which appears to be gelcoat on my boat is  is cracked in a few places and  so the water is getting to the laminate in places.  There were also a lot of gelcoat chips in the bottom of the tank which were getting into the plumbing and plugging the faucets.  The interior of my tank showed no blistering at all but the exterior of the hull which has never been barrier coated also shows no blisters (and no voids when tested with Ultrasonics)  so this may be a function of the resin used.  When my boat is laid up, I completely drain the tank, open the very fwd and aft access port and run a fan for a couple of days to remove the rest of the moisture.  (I was told by Michel Charpentier that this was the best way to leave the tank if the boat will be in storage for a while and it makes sense to me as well) This should reduce the future mildew growth.   While the tank water now tastes fine, I have been using bottled water for drinking where possible for personal consumption unless I am out of the bottled water.   My long term plan so currently is to recoat the interior of the tank with a safe coating and to then install a low pressure RO unit such as is used in homes (driven by the city water pressure) for the drinking water source.  

   The 1000L water capacity is a great feature of the boat IMO.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

On Nov 2, 2017, at 5:50 AM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi there 

On previous boats I've had stainless water tanks 

My 1985 maramu has the tanks built into the hull. I guess all the Amels of that era did 

The water has a pretty unpleasant tang to it so I'll do some tank cleaning 

But I'm due to fit a watermaker soon and wondering if I should fit a small additional tank isolated just for drinking. Something that is easy to clean etc

I wonder if the tart is due to the water tanks being integral to hull. 
I'd be interested to hear if others with a similar original setup have issues with unpleasant taste of water.

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu #162




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

I am the owner of the Maramu n° 116 (1982) & did some extensive refit on a boat which had suffered poor maintenance during teh last 10 years.

When reinforcing the bottom with époxy we found osmosis on the link between the GRP  & the keel ; we opened up all teh tanks & found that the gel coat lining the Inside of teh tanks had cracked & broken  letting fresh water seep through to create internal osmosis .

Cleaned, sanded & applied 3 layers of gelcoat resin suitable for drinking water on the two tanks aft for fresh water refill (cap. about 700 liters)

Isolated the 3 forward tanks . Forward as spare dry storage & two center ones as drinking water fed directly fro separate hose leading to tap Under the sinks.

Our desalinator is a Raiman – independent unit running on gas engine – giving 60 L/hr (easy to store in cockpit hatch).

Guess bad taste might come from gelcoat deterioration & slight osmosis (vinegar flavour ?).

Fair winds

Christian alby – Desirade VIII – Maramu 116 – Santa Cruz de Tenerife

 

Provenance : Courrier pour Windows 10

 

De : smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]
Envoyé le :jeudi 2 novembre 2017 09:50
À : amelyachtowners@...
Objet :[Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

 

 

Hi there

On previous boats I've had stainless water tanks

My 1985 maramu has the tanks built into the hull. I guess all the Amels of that era did

The water has a pretty unpleasant tang to it so I'll do some tank cleaning

But I'm due to fit a watermaker soon and wondering if I should fit a small additional tank isolated just for drinking. Something that is easy to clean etc

I wonder if the tart is due to the water tanks being integral to hull.
I'd be interested to hear if others with a similar original setup have issues with unpleasant taste of water.

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu #162

 


Fresh water tanks

smiles bernard
 

Hi there

On previous boats I've had stainless water tanks

My 1985 maramu has the tanks built into the hull. I guess all the Amels of that era did

The water has a pretty unpleasant tang to it so I'll do some tank cleaning

But I'm due to fit a watermaker soon and wondering if I should fit a small additional tank isolated just for drinking. Something that is easy to clean etc

I wonder if the tart is due to the water tanks being integral to hull.
I'd be interested to hear if others with a similar original setup have issues with unpleasant taste of water.

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu #162


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

The model 4.154 is obsolete now for  Secodi: they got rid of all parts they had & gave up on supply.
even though I will try them as they may have a clue on where to source parts next t the Amel shipyard.
rgds


Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80


Le ‎mercredi‎ ‎1‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎19‎:‎11‎:‎02‎ ‎CET, Peter Jaeger mallamok@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Hi Christian

I would contact Secodi in La Rochelle, they did an excelent job on my 1989 Perkins M80T. I don't know if the spare part situation is more easy with this engine, may be they can help you.
Best
Peter
SY Wilson / SM003 / La Rochelle


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Am Dienstag, Oktober 31, 2017, 07:10 schrieb calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

I am looking for repair parts to rebuild the Perkins 60 HP diesel engine on Désirade VIII - Maramu N° 116 built 1982.

The engine gave up on me in Tenerife, went in a cloud of smoke as DO went down & mixed with lube oïl, due to faulty oïl pump (worn out - loss of oïl pressure) . 

I sourced suppliers to rebuild cylinder head & blocks, but have difficulty finding a replacement camshaft & tappets, as well as a lube oïl pump. 

I am now looking for one old Perkins M 4.154, laid up somewhere in the world (as close as possible to Europe would be best) to purchase & use for parts, then refit as spare, as I feel more confident to rebuild & run an old engine than to go for the new generation, driven by computers, to sail in out of the main sea-routes.

Interested to hear from you all who did replace your engines.

Fair winds (as I hope to return to the same)


christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu # 116 - now in Marina Atlantico Santa Cruz de Tenerife.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

thanks for tip
will get in touch
rgds

Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80


Le ‎jeudi‎ ‎2‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎12‎:‎22‎ ‎CET, Andy Croney allezaubon@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Hi Christian,

We found “Sheri Moon of Trans Atlantic Diesels “ very helpful with our rebuild a few years ago.

tadinc@...

All the best

Andy
SV Paladin
Maramu #75



Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

Andy Croney
 

Hi Christian,

We found “Sheri Moon of Trans Atlantic Diesels “ very helpful with our rebuild a few years ago.

tadinc@...

All the best

Andy
SV Paladin
Maramu #75


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

Peter Jaeger
 

Hi Christian
I would contact Secodi in La Rochelle, they did an excelent job on my 1989 Perkins M80T. I don't know if the spare part situation is more easy with this engine, may be they can help you.
Best
Peter
SY Wilson / SM003 / La Rochelle


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Am Dienstag, Oktober 31, 2017, 07:10 schrieb calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

I am looking for repair parts to rebuild the Perkins 60 HP diesel engine on Désirade VIII - Maramu N° 116 built 1982.

The engine gave up on me in Tenerife, went in a cloud of smoke as DO went down & mixed with lube oïl, due to faulty oïl pump (worn out - loss of oïl pressure) . 

I sourced suppliers to rebuild cylinder head & blocks, but have difficulty finding a replacement camshaft & tappets, as well as a lube oïl pump. 

I am now looking for one old Perkins M 4.154, laid up somewhere in the world (as close as possible to Europe would be best) to purchase & use for parts, then refit as spare, as I feel more confident to rebuild & run an old engine than to go for the new generation, driven by computers, to sail in out of the main sea-routes.

Interested to hear from you all who did replace your engines.

Fair winds (as I hope to return to the same)


christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu # 116 - now in Marina Atlantico Santa Cruz de Tenerife.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

amel46met
 

Hi group
My name is Tom S/Y Aphrodite 1983 Hull #125. My Perkins 4-154 was rebuilt 17 years ago and now has 5000 hours. I'm in Greece going west about, three more years till home in California. The Perkins seems to be still running strong. Maybe a rebuild when I get home. 


On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:24 AM, 'Warren Traill' trailz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi All. Or engine is the original 1980 Perkins 4.108. It was rebuilt around 1000 hours ago. It is still working very reliably [touch wood], just leaks small amounts of oil through the sump seal.

Regards,

Warren and Zetta,

Manon2

Sharki #15

Krabi.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 9:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

 

 

Hello,

 

I'm sorry your Perkins has given up the ghost.  My 4-154 has 10,800 hours and I have been contemplating a rebuild or re-powering for several years.  I've been following threads of those who have had their engine rebuilt.  Unfortunately most stories do not end happily -most rebuilds fail in a year or less.  Consider the fact that your engine is 35 years old.  Most of the technicians who could have properly rebuilt your engine are retired.  In my opinion, anyone willing to rebuild it has grown up in a different culture that does not demand the type of attention to detail that a diesel rebuild requires.  You may indeed find someone w ho can do a good job but from what I've learned, your chances are slim.  Get names and contacts of former clients of your technician.

 

Sorry to be a Debby Downer.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu 121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

Warren Traill
 

Hi All. Or engine is the original 1980 Perkins 4.108. It was rebuilt around 1000 hours ago. It is still working very reliably [touch wood], just leaks small amounts of oil through the sump seal.

Regards,

Warren and Zetta,

Manon2

Sharki #15

Krabi.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 9:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

 

 

Hello,

 

I'm sorry your Perkins has given up the ghost.  My 4-154 has 10,800 hours and I have been contemplating a rebuild or re-powering for several years.  I've been following threads of those who have had their engine rebuilt.  Unfortunately most stories do not end happily -most rebuilds fail in a year or less.  Consider the fact that your engine is 35 years old.  Most of the technicians who could have properly rebuilt your engine are retired.  In my opinion, anyone willing to rebuild it has grown up in a different culture that does not demand the type of attention to detail that a diesel rebuild requires.  You may indeed find someone w ho can do a good job but from what I've learned, your chances are slim.  Get names and contacts of former clients of your technician.

 

Sorry to be a Debby Downer.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu 121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santa Marta

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Eric,

We are leaving Santa Marta on Thursday after a very pleasant 6 week stay. We have had almost no issues with the soot. Most of our stay has been light winds, and rarely from the direction of the port. With that said, everyone says the wind will be strong from the ENE starting in December, and I suspect the problem may be worse then. We have really enjoyed the stop here, and will miss the place. 

Regards,

Steve and Liz
Aloha SM 72

On Oct 31, 2017, at 20:08, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Hi,
What is the soot situation like in the marina?
Fair winds,
Eric
SM 376 KImberlite

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 07:28 AM, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santa Marta

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santa Marta

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Bit of a red herring if you ask me… no wind = no soot.

:-)

JPG 
Eleuthera, SM 007, Santa Marta, Columbia… with a gaggle of other Amel.

On 31 Oct 2017, at 20:08, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Hi,
What is the soot situation like in the marina?
Fair winds,
Eric
SM 376 KImberlite

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 07:28 AM, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 





Santa Marta

eric freedman
 


Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

sbmesasailor
 

Hello,

I'm sorry your Perkins has given up the ghost.  My 4-154 has 10,800 hours and I have been contemplating a rebuild or re-powering for several years.  I've been following threads of those who have had their engine rebuilt.  Unfortunately most stories do not end happily -most rebuilds fail in a year or less.  Consider the fact that your engine is 35 years old.  Most of the technicians who could have properly rebuilt your engine are retired.  In my opinion, anyone willing to rebuild it has grown up in a different culture that does not demand the type of attention to detail that a diesel rebuild requires.  You may indeed find someone who can do a good job but from what I've learned, your chances are slim.  Get names and contacts of former clients of your technician.

Sorry to be a Debby Downer.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu 121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: water collecting below companionway door

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

RULE: No holes and/or no drain = Amel watertight bulkhead.

Water at this place is almost always leaking in through a bad gasket at the base of the door and because of no adequate bimini cover in place. Rain hits the door and runs down the door to inside the boat. I always believed if rain was hitting the door, I was doing something wrong.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

smiles bernard
 

Hi Christian 
Have you tried rollopower?
I've not used the yet but will be for some spares for my Perkins M65
I spoke to Martin 
MBone@...
Who was really helpful
All the best
Miles

On 31 Oct 2017, at 08:53, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi there Jean Pierre
I am already in contact with them; quick response, they are already checking availability.
They have all to rebuild cylinders, only the camshaft & oïl pump which seem to be hard to find.
thanks for tip
 
Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80



De : "Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com>
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Mardi 31 octobre 2017 9h46
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

 
Hi Christian,

I have had very good service from parts4engines.com in the UK.  

I visited their warehouse and they have an extensive supply of components for Perkins and Volvos.

Good luck.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 31 Oct 2017, at 01:10, calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I am looking for repair parts to rebuild the Perkins 60 HP diesel engine on Désirade VIII - Maramu N° 116 built 1982.
The engine gave up on me in Tenerife, went in a cloud of smoke as DO went down & mixed with lube oïl, due to faulty oïl pump (worn out - loss of oïl pressure) . 
I sourced suppliers to rebuild cylinder head & blocks, but have difficulty finding a replacement camshaft & tappets, as well as a lube oïl pump. 
I am now looking for one old Perkins M 4.154, laid up somewhere in the world (as close as possible to Europe would be best) to purchase & use for parts, then refit as spare, as I feel more confident to rebuild & run an old engine than to go for the new generation, driven by computers, to sail in out of the main sea-routes.
Interested to hear from you all who did replace your engines.
Fair winds (as I hope to return to the same)

christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu # 116 - now in Marina Atlantico Santa Cruz de Tenerife.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin

james Hosford
 

Wow!   Great page thank you!


On Oct 31, 2017, at 3:44 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My pleasure.
Yes everything was so well design.
I loved the engine access from the cockpit, many time, motoring or sailing I went to check things, very easy (compare to crawl under a companionway).

With time I will try to put more pictures together to help potential buyer “discover” the Super Maramu.

You can see a few illustration on www.nikimat.com

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Tue, 10/31/17, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 3:37 PM


 









Thank you so much!   Definitely making
the whole layout more clear to me.   Really like everything
abt these boats.   Doesn't seem to compromise on much.
  Really like the engine access!


On Oct 31,
2017, at 3:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon Jay,



I always kept the forward bed together to make a double (so
that I could use the space under to store).



I just put some pictures together for you.

Have a look at: http://nikimat.com/cabin_forward.html

I also had made a nice mattress to cover the full width of
the (forward and aft) beds.

Much more confortable.



Welcome to the group.

I hope you get a Super Maramu. Wonderful vessel.



Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 10/31/17, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 2:33 PM





 



















Does anyone have a picture of the forward cabin

berths pushed together to make a double? I've found
a

couple of postings that say it's possible but none
that

show the cabin in that configuration.







A late thank you for letting me joint the group. I have
a

three year plan for retirement and am very interested in
the

53. I tried a cat(leopard 46) last year and while they
are

comfortable at anchor it slapped and pounded pretty badly
in

12 knots of wind. My girlfriend really liked all the
room,

but as I told her imagine that ride for a few days,
there

wouldn't be much rest.











Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

My pleasure.
Yes everything was so well design.
I loved the engine access from the cockpit, many time, motoring or sailing I went to check things, very easy (compare to crawl under a companionway).

With time I will try to put more pictures together to help potential buyer “discover” the Super Maramu.

You can see a few illustration on www.nikimat.com

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 10/31/17, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 3:37 PM


 









Thank you so much!   Definitely making
the whole layout more clear to me.   Really like everything
abt these boats.   Doesn't seem to compromise on much.
  Really like the engine access!
On Oct 31,
2017, at 3:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon Jay,



I always kept the forward bed together to make a double (so
that I could use the space under to store).



I just put some pictures together for you.

Have a look at: http://nikimat.com/cabin_forward.html

I also had made a nice mattress to cover the full width of
the (forward and aft) beds.

Much more confortable.



Welcome to the group.

I hope you get a Super Maramu. Wonderful vessel.



Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 10/31/17, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 2:33 PM





 



















Does anyone have a picture of the forward cabin

berths pushed together to make a double? I've found
a

couple of postings that say it's possible but none
that

show the cabin in that configuration.







A late thank you for letting me joint the group. I have
a

three year plan for retirement and am very interested in
the

53. I tried a cat(leopard 46) last year and while they
are

comfortable at anchor it slapped and pounded pretty badly
in

12 knots of wind. My girlfriend really liked all the
room,

but as I told her imagine that ride for a few days,
there

wouldn't be much rest.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin

james Hosford
 

Thank you so much!   Definitely making the whole layout more clear to me.   Really like everything abt these boats.   Doesn't seem to compromise on much.   Really like the engine access!


On Oct 31, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon Jay,

I always kept the forward bed together to make a double (so that I could use the space under to store).

I just put some pictures together for you.
Have a look at: http://nikimat.com/cabin_forward.html
I also had made a nice mattress to cover the full width of the (forward and aft) beds.
Much more confortable.

Welcome to the group.
I hope you get a Super Maramu. Wonderful vessel.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 10/31/17, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 2:33 PM


 









Does anyone have a picture of the forward cabin
berths pushed together to make a double? I've found a
couple of postings that say it's possible but none that
show the cabin in that configuration.



A late thank you for letting me joint the group. I have a
three year plan for retirement and am very interested in the
53. I tried a cat(leopard 46) last year and while they are
comfortable at anchor it slapped and pounded pretty badly in
12 knots of wind. My girlfriend really liked all the room,
but as I told her imagine that ride for a few days, there
wouldn't be much rest.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Jay,

I always kept the forward bed together to make a double (so that I could use the space under to store).

I just put some pictures together for you.
Have a look at: http://nikimat.com/cabin_forward.html
I also had made a nice mattress to cover the full width of the (forward and aft) beds.
Much more confortable.

Welcome to the group.
I hope you get a Super Maramu. Wonderful vessel.

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 10/31/17, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward cabin
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 2:33 PM


 









Does anyone have a picture of the forward cabin
berths pushed together to make a double? I've found a
couple of postings that say it's possible but none that
show the cabin in that configuration.



A late thank you for letting me joint the group. I have a
three year plan for retirement and am very interested in the
53. I tried a cat(leopard 46) last year and while they are
comfortable at anchor it slapped and pounded pretty badly in
12 knots of wind. My girlfriend really liked all the room,
but as I told her imagine that ride for a few days, there
wouldn't be much rest.