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Re: Jib Halyard Sheave

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Mark & Bill R and all,


Thanks for the photos Mark, I've forwarded one on to Maud and she's checking now to see if she can find them.  I have the same set up with two sheaves.  The third sheave I was talking about is for the halyard for the mainsail.  Has anybody ever changed the sheave for the mainsail halyard?  I believe there might be two - one over the furler foil to accept the halyard on the way up and another one in the middle of the mast to guide the halyard down.  Has anybody any information on this?


Thanks.


Gerhard

SY Pepino SM381

Greece



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

Pat,

The one I have, I have had a long time and before cruising. 
OR
There may be better ones out there.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 09:21 Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, I do not have a dedicated breaker, otherwise the power source would be obvious and easy to check . I will have to sort this out myself , and put this thread to bed. Just one last question , can you recommend a wire tracer or tracker , knowing you I am sure you have one.

Thanks,Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2018 8:32 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 
Pat, I am fairly certain that your boat originally came with a manual valve, only...and that the solenoid on your boat was added later by someone. I recall another SM close to your hull number that had no solenoid, only the manual valve. Although I am not 100% sure that boat was unchanged, I believe it was original. In any case, Eric's SM is definitely different from yours. Eric's SM and those later had a dedicated breaker on the 24V panel which had a red light next to it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Eric, My problem is that I don't know what breaker feeds the switch , as I said I cannot trace the wires back , and yes ," No" meant the light does not come on. I think I will purchase a wire tracker and sort it out . Bill , I have a brown manual switch labeled Gaz for butane and a white switch with a red light recessed in the bulkhead. The backside of the switch in the lazzerette has a plastic cover over it. I have no way of knowing if it is Amel installed or not. It always worked , until it didn't.
Thanks ,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2018 1:44 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 
Hi Pat,
I assume, no, means that the red light does not go on.
Is the circuit breaker a single pole or double pole? 2 or 4 wires.
If it is a single pole you need to measure from the hot side of the breaker to the ground bus.
If it is a double pole you measure across the hot side of the breaker. I would be surprised if there is no DC going to the breaker.
Please let me know what you find.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
Eric , I don't have a dedicated breaker for it , nor would expect to with its low amperage. Do you know what breaker it is connected to , I can not trace it as it is in a bundle of probably 40 wires. I would like to find the source to check the connection.
Thanks Again,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 2:27 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
I forgot to say that if the red light does not go on . I would put a jumper across the circuit breaker and see if the red light goes on. If it does , then it is the circuit breaker
If the red light goes does go on without jumping the breaker, have someone go to the g as locker and have them put their hand on the solenoid. If they do not feel the solenoid actuate. It is the solenoid.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
< span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> 
Hi Pat,
Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Se nt: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

greatketch@...
 

Pat,

I can not add anything to the discussion on the details of the switch, since my boat has been retrofitted there, but I I had a list of "tools for a boat, and included the wire tracer I have used to good effect.


Bill Kinney
Benett Harbor, Cat Island, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I do not have a dedicated breaker, otherwise the power source would be obvious and easy to check . I will have to sort this out myself , and put this thread to bed. Just one last question , can you recommend a wire tracer or tracker , knowing you I am sure you have one.
Thanks,Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2018 8:32 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 
Pat, I am fairly certain that your boat originally came with a manual valve, only...and that the solenoid on your boat was added later by someone. I recall another SM close to your hull number that had no solenoid, only the manual valve. Although I am not 100% sure that boat was unchanged, I believe it was original. In any case, Eric's SM is definitely different from yours. Eric's SM and those later had a dedicated breaker on the 24V panel which had a red light next to it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Eric, My problem is that I don't know what breaker feeds the switch , as I said I cannot trace the wires back , and yes ," No" meant the light does not come on. I think I will purchase a wire tracker and sort it out . Bill , I have a brown manual switch labeled Gaz for butane and a white switch with a red light recessed in the bulkhead. The backside of the switch in the lazzerette has a plastic cover over it. I have no way of knowing if it is Amel installed or not. It always worked , until it didn't.
Thanks ,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2018 1:44 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 
Hi Pat,
I assume, no, means that the red light does not go on.
Is the circuit breaker a single pole or double pole? 2 or 4 wires.
If it is a single pole you need to measure from the hot side of the breaker to the ground bus.
If it is a double pole you measure across the hot side of the breaker. I would be surprised if there is no DC going to the breaker.
Please let me know what you find.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
Eric , I don't have a dedicated breaker for it , nor would expect to with its low amperage. Do you know what breaker it is connected to , I can not trace it as it is in a bundle of probably 40 wires. I would like to find the source to check the connection.
Thanks Again,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 2:27 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
I forgot to say that if the red light does not go on . I would put a jumper across the circuit breaker and see if the red light goes on. If it does , then it is the circuit breaker
If the red light goes does go on without jumping the breaker, have someone go to the g as locker and have them put their hand on the solenoid. If they do not feel the solenoid actuate. It is the solenoid.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
< span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> 
Hi Pat,
Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Se nt: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

Pat, I am fairly certain that your boat originally came with a manual valve, only...and that the solenoid on your boat was added later by someone. I recall another SM close to your hull number that had no solenoid, only the manual valve. Although I am not 100% sure that boat was unchanged, I believe it was original. In any case, Eric's SM is definitely different from yours. Eric's SM and those later had a dedicated breaker on the 24V panel which had a red light next to it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Eric, My problem is that I don't know what breaker feeds the switch , as I said I cannot trace the wires back , and yes ," No" meant the light does not come on. I think I will purchase a wire tracker and sort it out . Bill , I have a brown manual switch labeled Gaz for butane and a white switch with a red light recessed in the bulkhead. The backside of the switch in the lazzerette has a plastic cover over it. I have no way of knowing if it is Amel installed or not. It always worked , until it didn't.

Thanks ,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2018 1:44 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 
Hi Pat,
I assume, no, means that the red light does not go on.
Is the circuit breaker a single pole or double pole? 2 or 4 wires.
If it is a single pole you need to measure from the hot side of the breaker to the ground bus.
If it is a double pole you measure across the hot side of the breaker. I would be surprised if there is no DC going to the breaker.
Please let me know what you find.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
Eric , I don't have a dedicated breaker for it , nor would expect to with its low amperage. Do you know what breaker it is connected to , I can not trace it as it is in a bundle of probably 40 wires. I would like to find the source to check the connection.
Thanks Again,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 2:27 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
I forgot to say that if the red light does not go on . I would put a jumper across the circuit breaker and see if the red light goes on. If it does , then it is the circuit breaker
If the red light goes does go on without jumping the breaker, have someone go to the g as locker and have them put their hand on the solenoid. If they do not feel the solenoid actuate. It is the solenoid.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
< span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> 
Hi Pat,
Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Se nt: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, My problem is that I don't know what breaker feeds the switch , as I said I cannot trace the wires back , and yes ," No" meant the light does not come on. I think I will purchase a wire tracker and sort it out . Bill , I have a brown manual switch labeled Gaz for butane and a white switch with a red light recessed in the bulkhead. The backside of the switch in the lazzerette has a plastic cover over it. I have no way of knowing if it is Amel installed or not. It always worked , until it didn't.
Thanks ,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2018 1:44 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 
Hi Pat,
I assume, no, means that the red light does not go on.
Is the circuit breaker a single pole or double pole? 2 or 4 wires.
If it is a single pole you need to measure from the hot side of the breaker to the ground bus.
If it is a double pole you measure across the hot side of the breaker. I would be surprised if there is no DC going to the breaker.
Please let me know what you find.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
Eric , I don't have a dedicated breaker for it , nor would expect to with its low amperage. Do you know what breaker it is connected to , I can not trace it as it is in a bundle of probably 40 wires. I would like to find the source to check the connection.
Thanks Again,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 2:27 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
I forgot to say that if the red light does not go on . I would put a jumper across the circuit breaker and see if the red light goes on. If it does , then it is the circuit breaker
If the red light goes does go on without jumping the breaker, have someone go to the g as locker and have them put their hand on the solenoid. If they do not feel the solenoid actuate. It is the solenoid.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
< span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> 
Hi Pat,
Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Se nt: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

eric freedman
 

Hi Pat,

I assume, no, means that the red light does not go on.

Is the circuit breaker a single pole or double pole? 2 or 4 wires.

If it is a single pole you need to measure from the hot side of the breaker to the ground bus.

If it is a double pole you measure across the hot side of the breaker. I would be surprised if there is no DC going to the breaker.

Please let me know what you find.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

 

Eric , I don't have a dedicated breaker for it , nor would expect to with its low amperage. Do you know what breaker it is connected to , I can not trace it as it is in a bundle of probably 40 wires. I would like to find the source to check the connection.

Thanks Again,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 2:27 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

I forgot to say that if the red light does not go on . I would put a jumper across the circuit breaker and see if the red light goes on. If it does , then it is the circuit breaker

If the red light goes does go on without jumping the breaker, have someone go to the gas locker and have them put their hand on the solenoid. If they do not feel the solenoid actuate. It is the solenoid.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

 

Hi Pat,

Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

 

I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jib Halyard Sheave [2 Attachments]

 

The "third" halyard for a SM will not be on a sheeve integrated into the mast. There will be an external block for the "third" halysrd, and in many cases, if not all, the external block was installed after purchase.

I suspect the reason you were asked for photos is that you asked for 3 mainmast sheeves.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 16:05 mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Gerhard,


Unfortunately, I could not find my old main mast sheaves to take measurements.  I either threw them out or they got misplaced in the frenzy to prepare the boat for the long passage from Martinique to our home port in Deale, MD USA.  I got my replacement sheaves through Amel Caraibes in Martinique.  I was told that they had to order them from Amel HG in La Rochelle.  I was not in the country at the time and I was not directly involved in the purchase, so I really do not know how they were procured.  However, I do know I was charged 29.10 Euros for each sheave. 

My SM Cara only has two (2) sheaves on the Main Mast as Cara does not have a spare halyard rigged. These two sheaves for the Main and the Jib appear to have the same Outside Diameter.  I would guess that they have the same Inside Diameter because they are installed on the same shaft.  However, the Main Halyard is 10mm OD a nd the Jib Halyard is 12mm OD.  I am not familiar with the Mizzen Mast sheaves. 

I have attached two different pictures of the sheaves installed at the top of the Main Mast.  One is the new sheaves after installation and the other one is the old sheaves taken during the survey.

I hope this helps and hopefully the next person that gets replacement sheave or removes their old ones will post pics and measurements for the rest of us!

Mark

---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

Hi Mark,


I'm just having correspondence with Maud in La Rochelle regarding the masthead sheaves.  I'd like to order replacements for all the sheaves and Maud is asking for photos which I don't have.  I'd like to avoid going up the mast just for this.  Have you been able to locate your old ones and if so, could you post a picture with dimensions if possible.  I believe there are 3 sheaves on the main mast, 1 for the mainsail, 1 for the jib and 1 for the spare halyard.  The mizzen probably only has 1 for the mainsail.  Do you know if they're all the same dimensions?


Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SY Pepino SM381

Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

Eric and Pat,

Amel made different versions of the solenoid gas  control over years. They also made a manual gas valve in early SMs. 

I know y'all are comparing apples to oranges.

Hopefully Pat can get some input from a SM owner near his hull number. I am 99% sure that Pat will be told his SM came with a manual gas valve in the galley on the bulkhead wall separating the engine room. 

Pat, I think you are trouble shooting a previous owner modification, and if so, good luck.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 14:43 Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Eric , I don't have a dedicated breaker for it , nor would expect to with its low amperage. Do you know what breaker it is connected to , I can not trace it as it is in a bundle of probably 40 wires. I would like to find the source to check the connection.

Thanks Again,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 2:27 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 
I forgot to say that if the red light does not go on . I would put a jumper across the circuit breaker and see if the red light goes on. If it does , then it is the circuit breaker
If the red light goes does go on without jumping the breaker, have someone go to the gas locker and have them put their hand on the solenoid. If they do not feel the solenoid actuate. It is the solenoid.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
Hi Pat,
Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: Jib Halyard Sheave

mfmcgovern@...
 

Gerhard,

Unfortunately, I could not find my old main mast sheaves to take measurements.  I either threw them out or they got misplaced in the frenzy to prepare the boat for the long passage from Martinique to our home port in Deale, MD USA.  I got my replacement sheaves through Amel Caraibes in Martinique.  I was told that they had to order them from Amel HG in La Rochelle.  I was not in the country at the time and I was not directly involved in the purchase, so I really do not know how they were procured.  However, I do know I was charged 29.10 Euros for each sheave. 

My SM Cara only has two (2) sheaves on the Main Mast as Cara does not have a spare halyard rigged. These two sheaves for the Main and the Jib appear to have the same Outside Diameter.  I would guess that they have the same Inside Diameter because they are installed on the same shaft.  However, the Main Halyard is 10mm OD and the Jib Halyard is 12mm OD.  I am not familiar with the Mizzen Mast sheaves. 

I have attached two different pictures of the sheaves installed at the top of the Main Mast.  One is the new sheaves after installation and the other one is the old sheaves taken during the survey.

I hope this helps and hopefully the next person that gets replacement sheave or removes their old ones will post pics and measurements for the rest of us!

Mark

---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

Hi Mark,


I'm just having correspondence with Maud in La Rochelle regarding the masthead sheaves.  I'd like to order replacements for all the sheaves and Maud is asking for photos which I don't have.  I'd like to avoid going up the mast just for this.  Have you been able to locate your old ones and if so, could you post a picture with dimensions if possible.  I believe there are 3 sheaves on the main mast, 1 for the mainsail, 1 for the jib and 1 for the spare halyard.  The mizzen probably only has 1 for the mainsail.  Do you know if they're all the same dimensions?


Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SY Pepino SM381

Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric , I don't have a dedicated breaker for it , nor would expect to with its low amperage. Do you know what breaker it is connected to , I can not trace it as it is in a bundle of probably 40 wires. I would like to find the source to check the connection.
Thanks Again,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 2:27 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 
I forgot to say that if the red light does not go on . I would put a jumper across the circuit breaker and see if the red light goes on. If it does , then it is the circuit breaker
If the red light goes does go on without jumping the breaker, have someone go to the gas locker and have them put their hand on the solenoid. If they do not feel the solenoid actuate. It is the solenoid.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
Hi Pat,
Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, No , and the meter shows no power at the back of the switch, thus my search for the power source to the switch. Didn't you have a wire tracer that you recommended a while back ?
Thanks,
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 2:15 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 
Hi Pat,
Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch
 
 
I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

eric freedman
 

I forgot to say that if the red light does not go on . I would put a jumper across the circuit breaker and see if the red light goes on. If it does , then it is the circuit breaker

If the red light goes does go on without jumping the breaker, have someone go to the gas locker and have them put their hand on the solenoid. If they do not feel the solenoid actuate. It is the solenoid.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

 

Hi Pat,

Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

 

I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

eric freedman
 

Hi Pat,

Does the red light go on when you turn on the switch?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane switch

 

 

I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: Transport of SM from Australia to Suez/Turkey

mfmcgovern@...
 

I second SevenStar.  I have not used their services but I did get a quote from them last year for moving a SM from Europe to the USA.  It was competitive with some of the other quotes I got but they were by far the most helpful and responsive.  I was given their name from Bill Rouse from BeBe.  He used them back in 2011 and was very pleased with them.  You can read his blog post about it here:  http://svbebe.blogspot.com/search?q=sevenstar

As a bonus, they are familiar with Amels and are willing and able to use the deck level lifting eyes on the SM which will make the process much simpler to prepare the boat for transport.  My contact was Jan Maarten: jmb at sevenstar-yacht-transport.com

Mark
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
 


Propane switch

Patrick McAneny
 

I am trying to troubleshoot a problem . My propane switch failed to deliver propane , I assumed it was the solenoid , but I don't detect electric to the back of the switch. Above the galley there is what looks like a heat sink with GAS written next to it . Is this the source of electric to the switch? There is 24v in and out. Can someone tell me the power source, its hard to trace the wires , actually impossible, I  wish they were labeled.I think I need to buy a wire tracer , is there one recommended .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Balooner usage advice

James Alton
 

Miles,

   I have used the Ballooner on Sueño a few times now.  My boat also just has two grooves so once I hoist the ballooner up the second groove using my spare halyard, I am unable to furl either the ballooner or the genoa until the ballooner has been lowered. Perhaps this limitation is what Eric is referring to in his post.  Because of this limitation,  I have so far always taken the ballooner down before dark and only used it during stable conditions.  

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Apr 18, 2018, at 11:40 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Miles,

Without the triple groove plus thes pecial gadget at the top of the headstay you can’t use the ballooner.

 

I find  it much easier to fly a 1400-1500 sq foot gennaker in a sock, works like a charm’

Fair Winds

 

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 4:13 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Balooner usage advice

 

  

Hello there

I’m new to the Amel way and have been learning lots from this fabulous forum as I get to know my older 1985 Maramu 

I’m still unsure of a the best approach to my downwind rig and would benefit hugely from this groups thoughts and experience of getting the best from the balooner sail. 

Thus far I have been moving toward the option of adding a 2nd removable forestay on my older Maramu. Positioned as close to the furling Genoa as possible and as high up the mast as possible to avoid running back stays. 

I’d use his mainly for a twin headsail downwind set up with independence between the furler and a smaller 80-90% jib poled to windward. 

I’ve used this setup before and like it lots I chose it over the option of hoisting two sails up the furler luff groove and loved its simplicity, independence of sails, provision of a spare forestay, ability to set a storm sail etc etc

But on the group lots of people advice is to not change anything on these well though out and well tested boats and I presume my old Maramu has sailed the World already without these changes 😊

So ..... considering other options ....apparently the large spinnaker looking sail lurking in my locker is a balooner. 

How do people use these?

Just in combination with the Genoa as a double headsail rig or also on its own downwind wind (perhaps with the mizzen goose winged) ?

It’s worth pointing out that unfortunately I do not have the Amel furler but a profurl electric number with only 2 luff grooves. So I don’t have the wonderful 3 luff groove independent sail hoisting and lowering option available to most of you lucky chaps! 

My concern with the balooner plus Genoa is that I will be short handed with kids aboard and given my profurl furler would have to hoist and lower the balooner and Genoa on the same halyard Ie unfurl a massive total sail area if I had problems and needed to get sails down. 

Thoughts and hard won experience very much appreciated

Fair winds 

Miles 
Maramu #162




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Balooner usage advice

eric freedman
 

Miles,

Without the triple groove plus thes pecial gadget at the top of the headstay you can’t use the ballooner.

 

I find  it much easier to fly a 1400-1500 sq foot gennaker in a sock, works like a charm’

Fair Winds

 

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 4:13 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Balooner usage advice

 

 

Hello there

I’m new to the Amel way and have been learning lots from this fabulous forum as I get to know my older 1985 Maramu

I’m still unsure of a the best approach to my downwind rig and would benefit hugely from this groups thoughts and experience of getting the best from the balooner sail.

Thus far I have been moving toward the option of adding a 2nd removable forestay on my older Maramu. Positioned as close to the furling Genoa as possible and as high up the mast as possible to avoid running back stays.

I’d use his mainly for a twin headsail downwind set up with independence between the furler and a smaller 80-90% jib poled to windward.

I’ve used this setup before and like it lots I chose it over the option of hoisting two sails up the furler luff groove and loved its simplicity, independence of sails, provision of a spare forestay, ability to set a storm sail etc etc

But on the group lots of people advice is to not change anything on these well though out and well tested boats and I presume my old Maramu has sailed the World already without these changes 😊

So ..... considering other options ....apparently the large spinnaker looking sail lurking in my locker is a balooner.

How do people use these?

Just in combination with the Genoa as a double headsail rig or also on its own downwind wind (perhaps with the mizzen goose winged) ?

It’s worth pointing out that unfortunately I do not have the Amel furler but a profurl electric number with only 2 luff grooves. So I don’t have the wonderful 3 luff groove independent sail hoisting and lowering option available to most of you lucky chaps!

My concern with the balooner plus Genoa is that I will be short handed with kids aboard and given my profurl furler would have to hoist and lower the balooner and Genoa on the same halyard Ie unfurl a massive total sail area if I had problems and needed to get sails down.

Thoughts and hard won experience very much appreciated

Fair winds

Miles
Maramu #162


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Balooner usage advice

greatketch@...
 

Miles,

I do love the double headsail rig for a lot of reasons.  

From a safety standpoint, there are no booms to worry about accidentally gybing. The number of boats that I have seen with serious rig damage after a flying gybe is sobering.

With the Amel set up of continuous reefing of both sails, I can dial down the sail area as the wind picks up. And I can do this without needing to come up into the wind as I would need to to furl a boomed sail.

The biggest improvement over wing 'n wind sailing for me is the great reduction in the boat's tendency to roll while sailing downwind. The key is to not trim the sails in as much as you think you should.  If the top 20% or so of the sail is loose enough to twist forward, the boat's roll is greatly dampened.  I think the damping effect is improved in the Amel setup because both sails are the same size.  

We do sometimes do wing 'n wing sailing, but I don't like the roll, and I find that my VMG downwind is faster if I point up a bit (about 150º to the true wind) and reach off. This is faster than the twin headsails in winds of less than 8 knots or so.  By the time the wind is up to 10 knots, the twin sails outrun the reach.

Without the triple foil and latching mechanism, you do lack some of the flexibility, but twin headsails on twin headstays is an old, tried and true cruising rig.  

I am not sure how you can use the ballooner without the triple slot foil.  You have expressed concern about flying it without an easy reefing mechanism, and I agree!  The ballooner is not made to fly on its own luff, it needs to be in a foil.  Maybe your friendly neighborhood sailmaker could have some ideas... hanks?  or a flexible foil?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Cat Island, Bahamas

---In amelyachtowners@..., <smilesbernard@...> wrote :

Thanks Danny and Craig

Craig it is indeed a balooner. It’s labeled and has a luff tape so I suspect it’s a legacy thing as the profurl is only about 6 yrs old 

Danny that sounds worth a try! The thing I love about the twin headsail rig when I’ve used it before is that reefing is so easy. 
On my old boat the hanked on 80% sail was poled to windward and just stayed up all the time and the furling Genoa was like the accelerator. Squally? Reed the genny. Light winds? Let it all hang out. 

Really good to hear other options for though android for though so thanks again

All the best
Miles 


On 18 April 2018 at 20:12 "smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello there

I’m new to the Amel way and have been learning lots from this fabulous forum as I get to know my older 1985 Maramu

I’m still unsure of a the best approach to my downwind rig and would benefit hugely from this groups thoughts and experience of getting the best from the balooner sail.

Thus far I have been moving toward the option of adding a 2nd removable forestay on my older Maramu. Positioned as close to the furling Genoa as possible and as high up the mast as possible to avoid running back stays.

I’d use his mainly for a twin headsail downwind set up with independence between the furler and a smaller 80-90% jib poled to windward.

I’ve used this setup before and like it lots I chose it over the option of hoisting two sails up the furler luff groove and loved its simplicity, independence of sails, provision of a spare forestay, ability to set a storm sail etc etc

But on the group lots of people advice is to not change anything on these well though out and well tested boats and I presume my old Maramu has sailed the World already without these changes 😊

So ..... considering other options ....apparently the large spinnaker looking sail lurking in my locker is a balooner.

How do people use these?

Just in combination with the Genoa as a double headsail rig or also on its own downwind wind (perhaps with the mizzen goose winged) ?

It’s worth pointing out that unfortunately I do not have the Amel furler but a profurl electric number with only 2 luff grooves. So I don’t have the wonderful 3 luff groove independent sail hoisting and lowering option available to most of you lucky chaps!

My concern with the balooner plus Genoa is that I will be short handed with kids aboard and given my profurl furler would have to hoist and lower the balooner and Genoa on the same halyard Ie unfurl a massive total sail area if I had problems and needed to get sails down.

Thoughts and hard won experience very much appreciated

Fair winds

Miles
Maramu #162


 


Re: 2nd Forestay on Super Maramu

greatketch@...
 

Danny,

The only place I have a minor issue with your comments is your total opposition to the rope luff.  

PROPERLY MADE, with multiple pieces of rope, of properly selected lengths and diameters, SEWN in place in a well made pocket, in my experience it can do just as good a job at bulking up the middle of the sail as a foam luff. (Note, there are a LOT of caveats on that...)

Improperly made and shaped neither a rope NOR a foam luff will do a good job.  I have seen foam luffs that were not properly tapered, and resulted in terrible sail shapes when furled.

On my SM I have a foam luff, on my old boat I had sails with both foam and rope luffs, and would be very hard pressed to say there was a dramatic difference between them in furled sail shape.

I suspect, but can not prove, that a foam luff will be longer lasting just because it should result in a smoother roll.  I have never had a rope luff chafe through... but I can imagine it happening.

We always have to make compromises when we ask one sail to do multiple jobs.  They are never going to be perfect...  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Cat Island, Bahamas

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