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Re: SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush***RESPONSE TO *** IMPORTAN

Craig Briggs
 

HI Miles,

Yes, of course it's (mainly) a function of motoring hours and I think Jose agrees. I've been motoring about 400 hours a year lately, but my bottom paint lasts about 3 years, so I'm keen to have a long-lived solution. 

Super that you never get water in the oil. From posts to this forum that seems to be the exception, but more power to you!. 

I do think there are other factors involved here, such as different propellers in differing states of maintenance giving differing amounts of vibration; alignment of the drive shaft, condition of engine mounts etc., all playing on vibration and the efficacy of the lip seals. The hardness of the bearing and orientation of the rotary shaft seals are certainly key factors, but if you add it all up there is likely a wide variation between all our boats.

So, in your case, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" - keep it like the Captain divined and Admiral CW Bill proselytizes! (Can't recall if that was one in and two out as you noted or two in and one out, but whatever.)

Cheers, Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <milesbid@...> wrote :

Jose, Craig,

 

I don’t understand why two years has any significance.  The original Amel instructions were to change the wearing out bearing every 650 hours.  How much the bearing wears is a function of engine hours not time.   Any valid comparison test would need to for the same number of hours at the same engine speed.

For over 5000 engine hours, I have changed the wearing out bearing using lots of silicone grease and following the Amel instructions of the first bearing facing in and the outer two bearings facing out.  I have done this (or Amel has done it) every 650 hours or so.  I have never had any problem of water in the oil or loss of oil.    I have had  my boat since it was new and I learned early on that everything that Amel does or recommends is for a reason.   

 

Regards,

 

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm 216, Le Marin Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

This is a very good discussion- three pieces in how many ways? After 2 years original Amel way I had some milk in the oil, next change done without me in Amel way -milk after 1 year. Then I did the changing by myself. Flushing with diesel und oil, changing the facing of the bearings- Better loose oil than adding water. Oil is still red after 2 years- but I think the major effect was my work and not the seals. Enough silicone grease and exact working is more worth than theoretical discussion. 
Today I do not fear a milky oil in the C Drive,this will not do any damage.  But I will always observe or do the changing by myself. 
So to make it easy stay with the Amel-way.
Safe sailing, good wind, clean oil and diesel.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fwd: Re: Volvo TMD22A specs

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pat. If Yvonne said yes I'd  e off like a shot. However practicalities intervene. Bother.

Regards

Danny


On 10 May 2018 at 23:50 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny, Pertaining to this subject, I have just received an email from Flexofold after requesting a quote on a folding prop .I had sent them all the engine and trans specs., and told them that my max rpms was 3000 and  I now have a fixed prop 21x16 LH . They proposed a 20X12 and stated that 21 "looked to big" and that would allow me to reach the full rpm potential of my engine , 4500 rpm. This ladies title is export sales manager , I almost believe she chose the prop , rather than a prop specialist . I wrote her back that reaching 4500 rpms was not , nor should not be the goal in selecting the proper prop size/pitch. Max torque is about 2500 rpm . I am not instilled with confidence , and will be looking at other props. FYI , I cannot install an Autoprop as my keel was not modified to except it ,as later models were.

If you leave now , you guys could be here for the Rendezvous , it would be great to see ya again.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amel owners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 8:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fwd: Re: Volvo TMD22A specs

 
 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...>
To: Reply to group < amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 10 May 2018 at 12:30
Subject: Re: Volvo TMD22A specs

Hi Pat.
Welcome to the confusion club. Many of us have been there and are the wiser for it. 2800 rpm is the correct under load revs for the Tmd  22.  It will cheerfully rev to over 4000 no load. However if the waste gate on the turbo is siezed the motor will over turbo and do 4000 rpm inder load. Accidently sent. Continue. Thinking hey this is great I ran it up like that and after I had destroyed the piston rings I found my error. Then I had two choices. Over haul or new motor. I got a new motor. Learn from us 2800 is it. And check the waste gate regularly.regards. Danny. Sm  299 Ocean pearl




 
 
 

 


 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I also strongly disagree with the rude and unnecessary words by Rink.




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On Thu, 5/10/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 10, 2018, 2:50 PM


 










Hi Rink, I cant agree with you on this. Nor do I
think an insulting crack at Texans is appropriate. Bill is
always consistent. Polite, firm and unwavering. It does us
no harm to have such a strong Amel advocate. Anyone who
wishes can ignore him. As well as being sound advice,
retaining the "fleet" as near to original is doing
us all a big favor as it maintains the value of our unique
vessels. Because of the work he does Bill has seen instances
of modified Amels that have turned out less than
satisfactory. I know of one new owner who has spent a small
fortune replacing failing/failed modifications to restore
the boat to Amel standard. As to the arches, personally I
think they are uglyBill, please keep up the good
workI will add two comments. Possibly  hours in
estruries or harbours like the Chesapeake and Delaware water
with suspended silt will cause more rapid wear,Secondly..oil
floats on water and I cannot see how oil could run or drip
out the bottom. My observation is that when the seals begin
to fail the oil level rises as well as becoming milky as the
volume is increased by the addition of
water.RegardsDannySM 299 Ocean
Pearl
On 11 May 2018 at 06:15 "Rink de Haan
rinkdehaan@gmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  
Dear
all. I think it is time for some action from our moderator.
The way Bill responds to a viable discussion doesn’t add
value to this forum. There us no such thing as the absolute
Amel way. Like for instance building an Emek arch on a 53.
Which for Sure is the absolute wrong Amel way. The way you
react Bill limits the interest of other Amel to interact,
which is against the purpose of this group. Texan anti
intellectual rudeness is not the standard of this
forumHope for better
timesRink de
HaanAmel 2k #330 Razors
Edge


clean the sea water intake

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Cear amelians,
what is the best tool / method to clean the WHOLE pipe that goes from the sea water filter all the way down to the sea water intake in the hull (while boat is in water)?

Thanks for your advice,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Rink,
I don't agree.
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54

On Thursday, May 10, 2018, 3:53:51 PM GMT-4, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]


 

Hi Rink, I cant agree with you on this. Nor do I think an insulting crack at Texans is appropriate. Bill is always consistent. Polite, firm and unwavering. It does us no harm to have such a strong Amel advocate. Anyone who wishes can ignore him. As well as being sound advice, retaining the "fleet" as near to original is doing us all a big favor as it maintains the value of our unique vessels. Because of the work he does Bill has seen instances of modified Amels that have turned out less than satisfactory. I know of one new owner who has spent a small fortune replacing failing/failed modifications to restore the boat to Amel standard. As to the arches, personally I think they are ugly

Bill, please keep up the good work

I will add two comments. Possibly  hours in estruries or harbours like the Chesapeake and Delaware water with suspended silt will cause more rapid wear,Secondly..oil floats on water and I cannot see how oil could run or drip out the bottom. My observation is that when the seals begin to fail the oil level rises as well as becoming milky as the volume is increased by the addition of water.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


On 11 May 2018 at 06:15 "Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

Dear all. I think it is time for some action from our moderator. The way Bill responds to a viable discussion doesn’t add value to this forum. There us no such thing as the absolute Amel way. Like for instance building an Emek arch on a 53. Which for Sure is the absolute wrong Amel way. The way you react Bill limits the interest of other Amel to interact, which is against the purpose of this group. Texan anti intellectual rudeness is not the standard of this forum
Hope for better times
Rink de Haan
Amel 2k #330 Razors Edge


 

 


 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Rink, I cant agree with you on this. Nor do I think an insulting crack at Texans is appropriate. Bill is always consistent. Polite, firm and unwavering. It does us no harm to have such a strong Amel advocate. Anyone who wishes can ignore him. As well as being sound advice, retaining the "fleet" as near to original is doing us all a big favor as it maintains the value of our unique vessels. Because of the work he does Bill has seen instances of modified Amels that have turned out less than satisfactory. I know of one new owner who has spent a small fortune replacing failing/failed modifications to restore the boat to Amel standard. As to the arches, personally I think they are ugly

Bill, please keep up the good work

I will add two comments. Possibly  hours in estruries or harbours like the Chesapeake and Delaware water with suspended silt will cause more rapid wear,Secondly..oil floats on water and I cannot see how oil could run or drip out the bottom. My observation is that when the seals begin to fail the oil level rises as well as becoming milky as the volume is increased by the addition of water.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


On 11 May 2018 at 06:15 "Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Dear all. I think it is time for some action from our moderator. The way Bill responds to a viable discussion doesn’t add value to this forum. There us no such thing as the absolute Amel way. Like for instance building an Emek arch on a 53. Which for Sure is the absolute wrong Amel way. The way you react Bill limits the interest of other Amel to interact, which is against the purpose of this group. Texan anti intellectual rudeness is not the standard of this forum
Hope for better times
Rink de Haan
Amel 2k #330 Razors Edge


 

 


 

 


Re: SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush***RESPONSE TO *** IMPORTAN

Miles
 

Jose, Craig,

 

I don’t understand why two years has any significance.  The original Amel instructions were to change the wearing out bearing every 650 hours.  How much the bearing wears is a function of engine hours not time.   Any valid comparison test would need to for the same number of hours at the same engine speed.

For over 5000 engine hours, I have changed the wearing out bearing using lots of silicone grease and following the Amel instructions of the first bearing facing in and the outer two bearings facing out.  I have done this (or Amel has done it) every 650 hours or so.  I have never had any problem of water in the oil or loss of oil.    I have had  my boat since it was new and I learned early on that everything that Amel does or recommends is for a reason.   

 

Regards,

 

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm 216, Le Marin Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter

Stephen Davis
 

Linda,

Rascal has the wedge shaped oil drain plug, so you will not need to buy one. Ask me how I know?

Steve

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 8:50 AM Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Linda,

The wedge shaped C-Drive oil drain plug is going to be an Amel part. The Spurs info you have is correct. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, May 10, 2018, 12:05 LindaGrimes1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
I am about to order a Spurs Line Cutter and I understand it is a Model B, 1 1/2 inch. I am not sure if I need to order a Wedge Holding Block as well? If I do need to order one, which one do I order? I have not seen one mentioned in previous posts.  I do see one is used in the brochure and video's from Spurs.  Thanks for your help.

Linda Grimes
SV Rascal
Shelter Bay Marina
Fort Sherman, Panama




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter

bernard lawson
 

Bill, thank you for your service. Cordially, Bernie Lawson, former blessed owner Sharki 


On Thu, May 10, 2018, 14:50 Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Linda,

The wedge shaped C-Drive oil drain plug is going to be an Amel part. The Spurs info you have is correct. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, May 10, 2018, 12:05 LindaGrimes1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
I am about to order a Spurs Line Cutter and I understand it is a Model B, 1 1/2 inch. I am not sure if I need to order a Wedge Holding Block as well? If I do need to order one, which one do I order? I have not seen one mentioned in previous posts.  I do see one is used in the brochure and video's from Spurs.  Thanks for your help.

Linda Grimes
SV Rascal
Shelter Bay Marina
Fort Sherman, Panama




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter

 

Linda,

The wedge shaped C-Drive oil drain plug is going to be an Amel part. The Spurs info you have is correct. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, May 10, 2018, 12:05 LindaGrimes1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
I am about to order a Spurs Line Cutter and I understand it is a Model B, 1 1/2 inch. I am not sure if I need to order a Wedge Holding Block as well? If I do need to order one, which one do I order? I have not seen one mentioned in previous posts.  I do see one is used in the brochure and video's from Spurs.  Thanks for your help.

Linda Grimes
SV Rascal
Shelter Bay Marina
Fort Sherman, Panama




Re: For Sale: B&G Hydra 2000, plus Instrument & Sensor suite

ya_fohi
 

David,

My B&G Sonic Speed is also not working. I was wondering what you replaced yours with?

Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***

Rink De Haan
 

Dear all. I think it is time for some action from our moderator. The way Bill responds to a viable discussion doesn’t add value to this forum. There us no such thing as the absolute Amel way. Like for instance building an Emek arch on a 53. Which for Sure is the absolute wrong Amel way. The way you react Bill limits the interest of other Amel to interact, which is against the purpose of this group. Texan anti intellectual rudeness is not the standard of this forum
Hope for better times
Rink de Haan
Amel 2k #330 Razors Edge



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

To add to Steve,

You can purchase from Amel, part 3184 (red arrow)
http://www.nikimat.com/spare_parts_c_drive.html

Therefore. if you did not had the Spur Cutter originally installed, then I would check with Olivier that you can…
I think older SM model have a differently shape keel which for example would not accept the Auto Prop H6… so may be the Spur won’t fit either.

Here are pictures of the removal of the propeller, this will show you how the Spurs cutter was removed and the new one installed, so may be you can compare with your vessel.
http://www.nikimat.com/auto_prop_h6.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 5/10/18, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 10, 2018, 12:39 PM


 









Hi Linda,

On Rascal the oil drain
plug for the Cdrive is designed to be the wedge holding
block.

Steve

On Thu, May
10, 2018 at 7:05 AM LindaGrimes1@hotmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Hi,
I am about to order a Spurs
Line Cutter and I understand it is a Model B, 1 1/2 inch. I
am not sure if I need to order a Wedge Holding Block as
well? If I do need to order one, which one do I order? I
have not seen one mentioned in previous posts.  I do see
one is used in the brochure and video's from Spurs. 
Thanks for your help.

Linda Grimes
SV Rascal
Shelter Bay Marina
Fort
Sherman, Panama


Re: Reya water pump UK dealer

ya_fohi
 

Barry,

I have the brushes, thank you very much, at least I owe you a pint!

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Linda,

On Rascal the oil drain plug for the Cdrive is designed to be the wedge holding block.

Steve

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:05 AM LindaGrimes1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
I am about to order a Spurs Line Cutter and I understand it is a Model B, 1 1/2 inch. I am not sure if I need to order a Wedge Holding Block as well? If I do need to order one, which one do I order? I have not seen one mentioned in previous posts.  I do see one is used in the brochure and video's from Spurs.  Thanks for your help.

Linda Grimes
SV Rascal
Shelter Bay Marina
Fort Sherman, Panama




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, Will do. Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, May 10, 2018 11:37 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

 

Our SM "It's Good" is sitting in the Severn River, just off of Mobjack Bay for the season, so Jennifer and I could more than likely make it as well. It would be good to meet everyone since we bought our SM just last August. Keep me posted.

Mark and Jennfer
S/V It's Good
SM #105

On May 09, 2018, at 03:43 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Pat, we want be there but remember st Michaels well. We were there in October 2009. It poured with rain for days, we froze but had multiple wifi sites which made things a bit better. Despite the rain and the cold it was beautiful.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 10 May 2018 at 04:48 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Joel I agree , rather than clog up this site , if anyone thinking they will attend would email me when they could not come, and when would be best for them ,I will see if there is a common date that seems to work ,at least for the majority. I think St Micheals is still probably the best area , its fairly central , plenty of anchorage and a beautiful village. 
Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 9:35 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

 
 
Hello Everybody. The sooner some foresighted member picks a time and place, the better equipped we will all be to arrange our calendars around the date. Last time was fun.
 
All The Best, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 7:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?
 
 
Diane and I would enjoy getting together again , the last one was fun , I think we had about seven or eight boats. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 6:58 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?
 
Hi to all,
 
Aletes is also back from Martinique, to be in the Chesapeake for the summer, Rock Hall on the Eastern Shore. We would certainly be up for a get together..
 
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM #240
 
On May 9, 2018, at 6:31 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 
We are interested in getting together this Summer.
Our boat is on a hard in Herrington Harbor now.
 
Vladimir 
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
 
On Tue, May 8, 2018, 21:28 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Sounds like a good product, Pat.
 
Let’s get together.  Anybody else on the Chesapeake (or anywhere else) want to have an Amel Rendezvous this Summer?
Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
karkauai at yahoo.com
828-234-6819
St Michaels MD

On May 8, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Kent, I have been following your exploits and Diane picked up your AIS on Marine traffic when you left the Carolina's. The ColorWheelz  still looks brand new after at least eight years ,and we never cover it , other than the bimini . I wish I had the hand rail done . It probably provides electrical protection as well as good grip and looks great. I had the center hub of the wheel done , but its made from wood and I had a friend fabricate it out of aluminum , they can't cover wood.
Welcome Back,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 12:52 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steerring Wheel Cover
 
Hi Pat,
How is your ColorWheelzs helm wheel cover holding up? Do you keep it covered when not in use?

I’m thinking I’d like to do this to my wheel and the companionway hand rail.

Thanks and Hi to Diane.

I’m back inSt M, on a mooring in LeedsCteek until I can get my new anchor/chain delivered.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 

 


Spurs Line Cutter

lindagrimes1
 

Hi,
I am about to order a Spurs Line Cutter and I understand it is a Model B, 1 1/2 inch. I am not sure if I need to order a Wedge Holding Block as well? If I do need to order one, which one do I order? I have not seen one mentioned in previous posts.  I do see one is used in the brochure and video's from Spurs.  Thanks for your help.

Linda Grimes
SV Rascal
Shelter Bay Marina
Fort Sherman, Panama




Re: SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush

Craig Briggs
 

Commendable restraint, Bill. Carry on.
Cheers, Craig

---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :
Jose,
I said I don't want to argue. I respect you and your right to your opinion.
All I intend to do is to state the other side, which is the "Amel Way."
To say anything else, would likely be a rebuttal, so this is my only reply. 
Best,
Bill Rouse


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***

 

Jose,

I said I don't want to argue. I respect you and your right to your opinion.

All I intend to do is to state the other side, which is the "Amel Way."

To say anything else, would likely be a rebuttal, so this is my only reply. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, May 10, 2018, 10:01 jvenegas@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, 

I cannot see how you can state that you are certain I installed the seals wrongly the first two times when I followed religiously the "amel way" and ended up with water in the C-Drive oil within two years of use.  

Also, I don't think that your answer to the water vs oil is so obvious:  having salt or dirty water in the transmission is not good and certainly worse than having the level of oil drop by a few mm with can be topped up.  In fact, it is recommended to check the level of transmission oil as much as the engine oil level before each engine start!.

But let me be clear: lubricated  SEALS DONT fail catastrophically and certainly not 3 at a time. 
Stating that I will only know about oil loss when the C-Drive meltdown is the same as saying that the C-Drive oil could be completely replaced with water while you are motoring along;  IT JUST DOES NOT HAPPEN. 

The most important finding of my experiment was that the loss of oil ACTUALLY stopped AFTER I added an additive to the oil that effectively made it heavier.  It was the same additive used for old engines to prolong their life before full repair.  Not only I had no oil loss during use the last month of the season, and during the 5 months winter layover, but while the boat was hauled out and  I waited for the bushing to arrive (5 days), there was not a single drop of oil out of the shaft !!  

That tells me that even though there was wear on the outer seal and bushing surface (see my pix in facebook) and that wear initially allowed some oil to escape after more than 4 years of use, when the oil was thickened, the seal began to work again and my guess is that it would have worked for a long time since it was now being lubricated in reverse due to the bushing wear. 
Also worth adding is that when I drained the oil from the C-Drive, it was as good as new.  This is to be expected since, unlike engine oil, on the C-Drive the oil is not exp osed to combustion materials and heavy temperatures and remains viable as long as no water leaks in. 

But, to avoid further discussion on the mater, let me be clear:
I AM NOT RECOMMENDING TO SERVICE THE C-DRIVE EVERY 8 YEARS.
I am just saying that "the amel way" for this particular issue can be improved and my experiment demonstrates it without any doubt.   

Personally, I will co ntinue to replace the seals and oil every two years, or when the boat is wouled out but I am pretty sure that I will be able to reuse the bushing a few times, particularly after I have it chromed and I will continue reporting my experience in this forum.

Jose

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