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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genset starter voltage drop

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Paul;
 
The most likely issues with low voltage at the starter when a load is placed, assuming that the wiring has been sized properly are:
 
  1. A weak starter battery,
  2. A bad connection somewhere along the line from the battery to the starter.
  3. Damage/corrosion to a portion of the wiring that has led to increased resistance to a portion of the wire.
  4. Internal issues with the starter that lead to higher than required Amp draw.
I am not familiar with the white box you speak of. Our 54 being only one model younger than yours, I would assume that we must have the same but have not run into it as of yet. We are not currently on board, so I cannot help much in that regard. There may be and issue within this box. However, the fact that you have only 9 Volts under load before this white box, indicates an issue prior to this point also. I would not expect the voltage to get any lower than 10.5 Volts when the genset starter is engaged.
 
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 5:25 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genset starter voltage drop

 

Hi all,

I'm seeing  voltage drop to my Onan 11KVA genset to the point that the starter won't turn enough to start the generator. The drop seems to be mostly between the input to the white control box and its output to the starter. I have been unsuccessful in pinning it down to any particular terminal and suspect there may be a connection hidden somewhere in this white box. Under load the voltage at the input to the white box is about 9V, and at the output about 6V. I did not yet dismantle the white box because it means uncoupling the exhaust I wonder if anyone has any experience of this and would be able to provide some advice.

At the same I would just like to say that I'm very grateful for all the help I've been given by members of this forum and hope that one day I may know enough to be able to reciprocate!

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] lost my bowthruster

Porter McRoberts
 

Sad situation. Dive gear is the answer.  I’ll go over for an oring. Grill grate. Dinghy lock. Anything. Replacement effort>>>finding effort. At least for me. 
A set of teen girls hungry for cash also helps. 

Porter 
Amel 54-152
Arriving Marin, Martinique!  

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:43 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Christina Alby,


   Sorry to hear about the loss of your bow thruster.  If I understand you correctly, the thruster simply feel out due to the loss of the retaining bolts so it may be undamaged?  If so, I would be inclined to do a pretty serious search for the bow thruster. The assembly being fibreglass is quite light so might not sink far into the mud.  I would suggest hiring a diver to have a good look to see if the unit can be recovered.  If the water clarity is really poor, an underwater metal detector should pick up the metal drive shaft. 

   The shaft hole could be closed with a thick (3/4- 1”)  piece of plywood (be sure that the glue is exterior grade) inside and outside of the hole + a compressible gasket using a bolt passing through the center of the plywood to compress the gasket.  

   There is recent discussion on the BB about plugging the shaft hole and filling the exterior cutout.
 
   I really hope that you can find your old bow thruster.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:18 AM, calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


during port movement to take in diesel & cast off to Europe, I lost my bowthruster (mechanical part) due apparently to 3 screws linking tube to motor coming off (my fault leaving protection on & masking the screws & collar when moving the bowthruster asm).

went down in about 1 M of mud; definetly lost.

I am building a dummy in steel to enter the well & close the ingress of water but also to resist the water surge in well when sailing in heavy seas.

Anybody tried it before ? tips, clues on design, risks (bolt shearing, steel dummy damaging hull ...).

I shall go slow & look for the high pressure zone to avoid heavy seas but the passage from Guadeloupe to Gibraltar is minimum 21 to 26 days ... with lows hitting the north Atlantic ...

all ideas welcome, fellows.

fair winds


christian alby - Désirade VIII - maramu 116 - now in Guadeloupe, Marina Bas du Fort




Re: 'Cristec Devolteur'

alanwood123@...
 

Thanks Olivier.. 

I wondered why I couldn't find anything about it on the forums!  From what I can see, the wires seem to terminate at a junction box in front of the charger.. but can't be 100% certain.  My knowledge of DC systems is minimal so I'll heed your advice and find someone to de-commission it.  Does it need an 'Amel' familiar electrician or is it quite a straight forward for any boat electrician? 

Cheers

Woody  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genset starter voltage drop

 

Most of the time the issue is a weak starting battery. The Onan is vulnerable because the legnth of wire from the battery is twice as long as your main engine. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 07:25 sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I'm seeing  voltage drop to my Onan 11KVA genset to the point that the starter won't turn enough to start the generator. The drop seems to be mostly between the input to the white control box and its output to the starter. I have been unsuccessful in pinning it down to any particular terminal and suspect there may be a connection hidden somewhere in this white box. Under load the voltage at the input to the white box is about 9V, and at the output about 6V. I did not yet dismantle the white box because it means uncoupling the exhaust I wonder if anyone has any experience of this and would be able to provide some advice.

At the same I would just like to say that I'm very grateful for all the help I've been given by members of this forum and hope that one day I may know enough to be able to reciprocate!

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sail outhaul boom block replacement

 

I think you should find that it is a common size and most any Rigger will be able to help you with a replacement.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 07:04 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi all,

Can anyone advise on a good replacement solution for the foot block at the end of the boom for the outhaul loop? Ours is showing signs of stiffness. 

Antal no longer make the original in our dimensions (75\14), only much bigger :

I believe Amel use the same block on the 54 and, at least, the SM2k. I would advise to check yours, as it suffers silently. 

Fear winds,


Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54 #122
St Martin




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] lost my bowthruster

James Alton
 

Christina Alby,

   Sorry to hear about the loss of your bow thruster.  If I understand you correctly, the thruster simply feel out due to the loss of the retaining bolts so it may be undamaged?  If so, I would be inclined to do a pretty serious search for the bow thruster. The assembly being fibreglass is quite light so might not sink far into the mud.  I would suggest hiring a diver to have a good look to see if the unit can be recovered.  If the water clarity is really poor, an underwater metal detector should pick up the metal drive shaft. 

   The shaft hole could be closed with a thick (3/4- 1”)  piece of plywood (be sure that the glue is exterior grade) inside and outside of the hole + a compressible gasket using a bolt passing through the center of the plywood to compress the gasket.  

   There is recent discussion on the BB about plugging the shaft hole and filling the exterior cutout.
 
   I really hope that you can find your old bow thruster.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:18 AM, calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


during port movement to take in diesel & cast off to Europe, I lost my bowthruster (mechanical part) due apparently to 3 screws linking tube to motor coming off (my fault leaving protection on & masking the screws & collar when moving the bowthruster asm).

went down in about 1 M of mud; definetly lost.

I am building a dummy in steel to enter the well & close the ingress of water but also to resist the water surge in well when sailing in heavy seas.

Anybody tried it before ? tips, clues on design, risks (bolt shearing, steel dummy damaging hull ...).

I shall go slow & look for the high pressure zone to avoid heavy seas but the passage from Guadeloupe to Gibraltar is minimum 21 to 26 days ... with lows hitting the north Atlantic ...

all ideas welcome, fellows.

fair winds


christian alby - Désirade VIII - maramu 116 - now in Guadeloupe, Marina Bas du Fort




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

ya_fohi
 

Bob,

After thinking long and hard about the two different approaches (your's and Amel's), what I did was to not drop the thruster but to simply disconnect all the electrical connections and dismount the connector block from the side of the motor which gave me enough access to the difficult Allen bolt so that I could remove it with an ordinary Allen key. I was then able to lift the motor free from the thruster and remove the flexible coupling which was cracked and had two of the grub screws fallen out.

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Genset starter voltage drop

ya_fohi
 

Hi all,

I'm seeing  voltage drop to my Onan 11KVA genset to the point that the starter won't turn enough to start the generator. The drop seems to be mostly between the input to the white control box and its output to the starter. I have been unsuccessful in pinning it down to any particular terminal and suspect there may be a connection hidden somewhere in this white box. Under load the voltage at the input to the white box is about 9V, and at the output about 6V. I did not yet dismantle the white box because it means uncoupling the exhaust I wonder if anyone has any experience of this and would be able to provide some advice.

At the same I would just like to say that I'm very grateful for all the help I've been given by members of this forum and hope that one day I may know enough to be able to reciprocate!

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98



Main sail outhaul boom block replacement

Sv Garulfo
 


Hi all,

Can anyone advise on a good replacement solution for the foot block at the end of the boom for the outhaul loop? Ours is showing signs of stiffness. 

Antal no longer make the original in our dimensions (75\14), only much bigger :

I believe Amel use the same block on the 54 and, at least, the SM2k. I would advise to check yours, as it suffers silently. 

Fear winds,


Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54 #122
St Martin




lost my bowthruster

calbyy@...
 

during port movement to take in diesel & cast off to Europe, I lost my bowthruster (mechanical part) due apparently to 3 screws linking tube to motor coming off (my fault leaving protection on & masking the screws & collar when moving the bowthruster asm).

went down in about 1 M of mud; definetly lost.

I am building a dummy in steel to enter the well & close the ingress of water but also to resist the water surge in well when sailing in heavy seas.

Anybody tried it before ? tips, clues on design, risks (bolt shearing, steel dummy damaging hull ...).

I shall go slow & look for the high pressure zone to avoid heavy seas but the passage from Guadeloupe to Gibraltar is minimum 21 to 26 days ... with lows hitting the north Atlantic ...

all ideas welcome, fellows.

fair winds


christian alby - Désirade VIII - maramu 116 - now in Guadeloupe, Marina Bas du Fort


Re: Wind vane steering

Alan Leslie
 

Agree absolutely Bill.
We only hand steer in and out of marinas, o'wise its the AP ALL the time.
My previous boat was a sloop with the wheel well aft which made wind van steering easy. We had a Fleming on the stern and we sailed 000's of miles with him, with only occasional breakages, mostly due to the boat being overpowered. As you say, sail balance is VERY important with a  wind vane, and good sail balance will also minimise the power consumption of your AP.
On a centre cockpit ketch like an SM, running the lines from a windvane on the stern to the wheel becomes quite complicated. Windvanes are very susceptible to friction in the steering line route which makes it difficult to implement successfully when the wheel is so far forward, although I suppose if you were really keen you could use the emergency tiller and run the steering lines to that....but really ? why bother, when you have plenty of electrical power.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] where do you store your tools?

Alan Leslie
 

We have two tool boxes under the bottom step of the companion way. We also converted the upper two steps into small lockers, with oval openings 2/3 the way up the front. The top one has simple immediate access tools, pliers, screwdrivers + & -, pliers, knife, etc and spare winch handles, the middle one is used as a shoe locker.
Other toolboxes segregated in to adhesives / sealants, drill bits / taps and dies, electrical stuff, bolts nuts and screws are below the floor in the forward cabin and in the cupboard that accesses the chain locker.
The starboard forward under bunk is crammed with spare parts, filters etc etc.....it all works well for us.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Wind vane steering

greatketch@...
 

Miles,

I would not sail across an ocean with ONE autopilot.  Not just ONE mechanical AP, not just ONE electric AP.  I have had both fail types--in the middle of the ocean--in ways that were not repairable at sea.  Days of hand steering by a shorthanded crew is NOT my idea of fun!

On our SM we have two autopilot computers, and three drives, One chain, one installed linear drive, and one spare linear drive in a locker.  Seems like overkill, but that's the way she came to us, and we do like the redundancy.  In 20K miles we have had one linear drive failure, and it was very nice to have a working replacement that was ready to drop in in 20 minutes.  The broken one was overhauled, and is now our spare.

If I was equipping my current boat from scratch, I would likely have one electric AP system, and a Hydrovane.  The ultimate advantage of a Hydrovane is that it works, even if I get hit by lightening, my batteries are flat,  my main rudder steering system fails, or... whatever.

For people starting from scratch, a mechanical wind vane can be a challenge.  It puts a premium on sail balance, and trim that an electric AP just powers on through. It sounds like you have enough experience with windvanes to have gotten past that steep part of that  learning curve.

One the other hand...  in praise of the electric systems we have, the amount of time I hand steer is miniscule.  The AP is almost always on, and I am basically "flying by wire" all the time.  Push-button sailing at its best.  I actually hand steer in only in marinas, and for the last few minutes as we drop the anchor.  Our AP system probably has 10 or 20 times the number of hours on it as our engine does.  I suspect, if I had a Hydrovane installed, I might still be lazy enough to use the electric most of the time... but a windvane sure can be amazingly hypnotic to watch work... like magic!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Manjack Cay, Abacos, Bahamas



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM2000 salon table dimension and yanmar impeller puller tool

James Cromie
 

thank you!

On Mar 24, 2018, at 9:09 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I can answer Question #1:  33 inches x 52 inches



Re: Wind vane steering

Ian Park
 

My Santorin had a Hydrovane fitted for an ARC crossing in 2009. I have an SPX 30 driving the Raymarine 200 rotary drive. The Hydrovane is great ie quiet and no battery drain. I also carry a spare rotary drive which I got on eBay. It takes 10 minutes to exchange the drive unit! So have never contemplate any other drive unit.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96 Antigua


Re: Wind vane steering

Craig Briggs
 

Our Raymarine Type 2 Rotary lasted 40,000 miles. Last year got a new one as old one was no longer supported for repair and had started to overheat and drop out. New one seems as bulletproof as original. Originally controlled by the Autohelm 7000 that Amel installed at factory, now by new B&G stuff, but it's the Raymarine motor that does the work and is totally reliable. Wouldn't hesitate to do another trans-Atlantic with the new unit and no Hyro-Vane. No spares needed in first many years of service, IMHO. 
Fair winds, Craig Briggs, SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <smilesbernard@...> wrote :

Hi there

Before my Maramu on a small long keeler I had a Monitor wind vane /autohelm and sailed extensively with it. It was truly brilliant. One of my favourite things on the boat.

I’ve also sailed a lot on a family boat long distance with a Hydrovane. Also excellent and adds an emergency rudder to the list of positives and no control lines either 👍


So I always assumed I’d only ever sail long distance with a similar steering device.
But
My 1985 Maramu has no such purely mechanical wonders. Instead it has some complex electronics 😎 I’ve inherited with the boat

(a Raymarine spx corepack apparently. It looks ok and seems to work well. Perhaps 7 yrs a old )

I believe the bigger SMs have backup electric autopilots which sounds like a great idea but I don’t have this on my Maramu.

I’ll be sailing across the Atlantic and perhaps further with my wife and 2 young children
The thought of potential autohelm problems whilst short handed are making me consider a mechanical wind vane. The hydrovane specifically.

Having never owned an electronic autopilot before I’d value this groups experience wrt reliability and spares carried. I believe they are largely ‘sealed units’ so tend to just work. Or not!


Many thanks for any thoughts or experience offered.

Miles



Wind vane steering

smiles bernard
 

Hi there

Before my Maramu on a small long keeler I had a Monitor wind vane /autohelm and sailed extensively with it. It was truly brilliant. One of my favourite things on the boat.

I’ve also sailed a lot on a family boat long distance with a Hydrovane. Also excellent and adds an emergency rudder to the list of positives and no control lines either 👍


So I always assumed I’d only ever sail long distance with a similar steering device.
But
My 1985 Maramu has no such purely mechanical wonders. Instead it has some complex electronics 😎 I’ve inherited with the boat

(a Raymarine spx corepack apparently. It looks ok and seems to work well. Perhaps 7 yrs a old )

I believe the bigger SMs have backup electric autopilots which sounds like a great idea but I don’t have this on my Maramu.

I’ll be sailing across the Atlantic and perhaps further with my wife and 2 young children
The thought of potential autohelm problems whilst short handed are making me consider a mechanical wind vane. The hydrovane specifically.

Having never owned an electronic autopilot before I’d value this groups experience wrt reliability and spares carried. I believe they are largely ‘sealed units’ so tend to just work. Or not!


Many thanks for any thoughts or experience offered.

Miles


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] where do you store your tools?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Ryan,

Since you are in the US, you have lots of choice.
I purchase the boxed from Home Depot
http://www.nikimat.com/cockpit_locker_storage/cockpit_locker_storage_11.jpg
They are very easy to slide and above them you can put a few more things.

I also bought lots of boxes call: “really useful box” from Office Depot.
They have many sizes… the “4 Liters” are very useful, you can put 4 under the flood in front of the fridge (in the space above the water tank).
Then you can also slide 2 from the flood board to the space below the washing machine.
One day, when I have more time, I will make an illustration.

Alexandre



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On Sun, 3/25/18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] where do you store your tools?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 25, 2018, 1:38 PM


 









Thank you all for the info! 
This has given me a lot of ideas.  I think more than
anything, I need to rework my organization.  Some quality
toolboxes would go a long way.
Thanks,RyanSM 233 IterationBoston, MA,
USA


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at
7:47 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good morning Ryan,

I had 2 sets of tools (1 for inside 1 for outside).

The outside was located in the cockpit storage.

Difficult to see on the 1st picture, but was in the white
box covered by a black mat.

If you look from the left you see life jacket, then type 4
(which is on top of the scuba compressor), then come a white
box for the tools. So easy to grab especially in the engine
room.

I would first take the mat and put on the floor (ie cockpit)
then put tools I use on.

http://www.nikimat.com/
storage_compartment_clip_ organization.html

Actually here on the 9 and 10th picture you see the
tools.

http://www.nikimat.com/
cockpit_locker_storage.html

Also some more in the boxes below.

Inside set of tools were under the floor board.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sat, 3/24/18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] where do you store your
tools?

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Saturday, March 24, 2018, 3:18 PM





 



















Hi all,I'm wondering

where you store all your tools.  I feel like most of us
are

very handy, so we must have a lot of them.  I use many
of

my tools on a near-daily basis, so I like to keep them

easily accessible.  I've filled both of the drawers

beneath the starboard settee, and I still have more
tools

that need homes!  Is there some awesome storage place I

haven't thought of?  Where do you keep

yours?

Thanks,RyanSM 233 IterationBoston, MA,

USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rats!

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

Some years ago we were anchored at a Pacific Island (forget which) and we were approached by an owner from a nearby boat. He had a rat aboard his rather scruffy boat and wanted help with ideas of how to catch/remove said rat. He had tried traps and every thing else he could think of. We suggested the sticky trap popular as a household trap in the pacific and available at food stores. It is a board with adhesive on it. You place the bait in the middle. The rat walks on to it to get the bait and gets stuck. Then you pick up the board and dispose of the rat. I have seen it work in land base Bure accommodation. He had tried that. In the morning he found a sheet of paper over the adhesive and the bait gone. Now that was some rat!!

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 25 March 2018 at 13:35 "Trifin trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

This is how to catch Sammy.

 


 


X


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] where do you store your tools?

Ryan Meador
 

Thank you all for the info!  This has given me a lot of ideas.  I think more than anything, I need to rework my organization.  Some quality toolboxes would go a long way.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Ryan,
I had 2 sets of tools (1 for inside 1 for outside).
The outside was located in the cockpit storage.
Difficult to see on the 1st picture, but was in the white box covered by a black mat.
If you look from the left you see life jacket, then type 4 (which is on top of the scuba compressor), then come a white box for the tools. So easy to grab especially in the engine room.
I would first take the mat and put on the floor (ie cockpit) then put tools I use on.
http://www.nikimat.com/storage_compartment_clip_organization.html
Actually here on the 9 and 10th picture you see the tools.
http://www.nikimat.com/cockpit_locker_storage.html
Also some more in the boxes below.
Inside set of tools were under the floor board.
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sat, 3/24/18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] where do you store your tools?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 24, 2018, 3:18 PM


 









Hi all,I'm wondering
where you store all your tools.  I feel like most of us are
very handy, so we must have a lot of them.  I use many of
my tools on a near-daily basis, so I like to keep them
easily accessible.  I've filled both of the drawers
beneath the starboard settee, and I still have more tools
that need homes!  Is there some awesome storage place I
haven't thought of?  Where do you keep
yours?
Thanks,RyanSM 233 IterationBoston, MA,
USA




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