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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Side Windows loose screws

James Alton
 

Hello,

   Can anyone tell me if the cabin sides on the latter  (my hull # is 220) Maramus are balsa cored in the area of the windows?

Thanks,

James 

SV Sueño

Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Italy

On Jan 8, 2018, at 7:26 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

JPG,


   You mentioned removing the balsa.  So the cabin sides of the SM are cored with balsa as opposed to being just one solid laminate?  It would be nice to know the construction since window replacement is on my short list as well. Actually if there is core in there I am going to move it to the top of the list!   I used to use cut down  allen wrenches shaped and sharpened to form cutting edges (in place of the bent nail) to cut out a core but found a better solution.  You can get small saw blades for your dremel and these make core removal fast and you can also use the blades to abrade the inside edges of the glass to give your epoxy a good bond.  It’s a bit of a pain but you can extract essentially all of the water that entered the holes by using vacuum. You can use the same basic supplies and set up that is normally used for vacuum bagging,  just add a good water separator to protect your pump.  It is always better to get the water out before sealing things up if at all possible.  Kept completely dry, balsa lasts pretty much forever, good stuff.

   I hope that you are having a great time in the Bahamas!

Best,

James

SV Sueño,  Maramu #220

On Jan 8, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Herbert,


I encountered the same problem on my SM when I recaulked the side windows.  

First option: The screws are not long enough to traverse into the wood trim on the inside of the cabin.  Procure various length M6 screws and drill through to the inside.  Pack with lots of Sikaflex and finish the work with a nice looking ball nut on the wood trim.  

Other option: this is what I did.  Make the hole bigger, but no larger in diameter than the width of the SS strip (about 14 MM if memory serves me right), clean out the wet balsa with a nail bent to 90 degrees on the end of your drill, fill with epoxy then drill a pilot hole where needed and reuse the original hardware.

Good luck,



Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007
Shelter Bay Marina


On 8 Jan 2018, at 16:03, herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Many of the screws that hold the stainless frame of the side windows are loose on our Santorin and some are not holding good enough to allow tightening. It looks as they ar e just screwed through to wooden panel that is used as a packing plate at the inside. Did anyone replace these screws already? What is the best solution to fix that? 


thx, Herbert

SN120 KALI MERA, Shelter Bay, Panama








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello and welcome to the group;
 
Sorry to not address you by your name but I did not see your name in the e-mail.
 
I cannot comment on the source of your particular issue. However if you are connected to shore power in a marina or harbor without a galvanic isolator, you are exposing the boat to a high risk of electrolysis depending on your particular location, wiring and boats surrounding you.
 
I would highly recommend the installation of a galvanic isolator to prevent creating an unintended electrical circuit. Olivier recommended the install on our 54 during the survey. The installation is fairly straight forward and it took us a couple of hours to get done.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 8:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]

 

Greetings and Happy New Year,

I’m new to the group having purchased “Liebling” SM hull #207 In June 2017.  Now she is “La Querida” berthed in Moss Landing, California.

Over the last several months I noticed something like grease dripping out from the jib furling gearbox and finally dismantled it last weekend.  In general it was in reasonable shape for a 20 year old gearbox.  However the aluminum  disc on the out put shaft showed considerable pitting which I interpret as electrolysis.  On my particular box, the aluminum is in contact with a bronze or brass bushing.  I did some reading on line and was quite alarmed to learn that neighboring boats and poor grounding of the marina shore power apparently can accelerate electrolysis on a well designed and maintained boat such as our Amels.  So two questions:

  1. Has anyone else experienced this electrolysis on the aluminum disc on top of the gearbox?  (or is mine indicative of a bigger problem)
  2. I briefly investigated galvanic isolators as protection for poorly grounded shore power.  Is this worthwhile?

Thanks in advance.

BTW our plans are to cruise to Mexicos west coast after retirement in about 3 years.  Saludos a todas!


Re: Generator charging question

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Our solar chargers by Genasun are not properly adjustable to the voltages required by Trojan for our AGM batteries.  So we disconnect solar when on shorepower to prevent over-voltage charging of full batteries.

We routinely turn on both battery chargers as follows:

(1) When charging from the generator.
(2) When we will have shore power for only one day or two.

Evidently after one hour or less the batteries charge at less than 100 A, and at this point it makes no difference whether you have one or both chargers on.  So we routinely turn one off.

Cheers,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)
Herzliya


electrolysis on jib furling gearbox?

Peter de Groot
 

Greetings and Happy New Year,

I’m new to the group having purchased “Liebling” SM hull #207 In June 2017.  Now she is “La Querida” berthed in Moss Landing, California.

Over the last several months I noticed something like grease dripping out from the jib furling gearbox and finally dismantled it last weekend.  In general it was in reasonable shape for a 20 year old gearbox.  However the aluminum  disc on the out put shaft showed considerable pitting which I interpret as electrolysis.  On my particular box, the aluminum is in contact with a bronze or brass bushing.  I did some reading on line and was quite alarmed to learn that neighboring boats and poor grounding of the marina shore power apparently can accelerate electrolysis on a well designed and maintained boat such as our Amels.  So two questions:

  1. Has anyone else experienced this electrolysis on the aluminum disc on top of the gearbox?  (or is mine indicative of a bigger problem)
  2. I briefly investigated galvanic isolators as protection for poorly grounded shore power.  Is this worthwhile?

Thanks in advance.

BTW our plans are to cruise to Mexicos west coast after retirement in about 3 years.  Saludos a todas!


Re: Generator charging question

Alan Leslie
 

All our chargers, including solar, are set for the same absorption and float voltages...I think you might be asking for trouble of you have them set differently...especially if you are running more than one at a time.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Inverter/Charger wiring advise

John Clark
 

and now Bill K some more inverter/charger talk:

I opened up the genset control head and traced the out the wiring.  There is an earth/bond connection but is is between the two field coils.  This means that the green/yellow wires are always 115v different than the hot(brown) or neutral(blue).  

The genset has been this way since installation many years ago, so it is apparently doing no harm.  Since as you pointed out the genset is connected to the bonding system, I will leave the AC safety jumper in place and see how it looks when I fire her up.  

The inverter will have two connections to the bonding system, one is "pass through" from the AC power  supplied by the generator or shore power.  The second is the chassis ground that the unit will connect to the AC output only when the inverter is supplying power.


John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
St. Augustine.






Re: Inverter/Charger wiring advise

John Clark
 

Thanks Bill and Mark for the excellent advice.  We checked out Browns over pizza this evening and it looks good.  I will give them a call in the next day or two. .


Re: Amel decals replacement

John Clark
 

Stephanie, you can add me to the list of interested parties.

John Clark
SV Annie  SM 37
St. Augustine.


Re: Bonding wire question

John Clark
 

That is a good question, and not easy to answer.  I will take a look and see if I can run each to ground....that's a pun by the way.  

I will be spending some quality time in the ER installing the new inverter/charger this week after the rain passes so I will likely be opening up several of the wire runs to add the new cable. It will be a good opportunity to trace the wires.


                                    John 


Re: Generator charging question

John Clark
 

I too was instructed to run both chargers from the generator, also  start the 40A then after a minute start the 30A,  and when on SP use the 30A alone.  

  I noticed that my 40A is set for a higher float voltage, just a tad under 28v, while the 30A floats at 26.7v.  I have AGMs and the 26.7 sounds more in line with a long term float.

John Clark
SV Annie  SM 37
St. Augustine


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] who does ONAN PCB board repairs?

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Eric,
I'm currently in Martinique, but will be in Colombia later this year. So if you want to provide the adress of your friend in Bogota, I might send it or visit him with my board while travelling the country..
Thanks for your help,
Alex
NO STRESS, AMEL54#15



On Tuesday, January 2, 2018, 11:12:44 PM GMT-4, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Alex,

Did you look at the ground connection on the old board. On mine it was very slightly tarnished. I cleaned it up an

I was back in action.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Where are you located?

A friend of mine repairs circuit boards regardless where they  came from.

He just fixed the circuit board on my high tech exercise bike that the factory said could not be repaired and no spares were available.

Unfortunately he is in Bogota.

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 1:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] who does ONAN PCB board repairs?

 

 

Dear Amelians,

I had to buy a new PCB board for my ONAN generator which finally seems to work fine for more than just a couple days...

I kept my old board, hoping to find someone who knows how to analyze faults and eventually repair this rather expensive part and then keep it as a spare.

So does anyone of you know somebody who could do this work?

Best regards,

Alex, SY NO STRESS

AMEL54 #15


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator watermaker diaphragm accumulator

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Thomas,

The best guy to talk to is Martijn De Jong; he designed the Duo 100.

+34 637 890 333

He’s in Spain or spain@...

Kind regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Panama

On 9 Jan 2018, at 14:41, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Amelians,

The high pressure diaphragm accumulator on our dessalator duo 100 failed due to rust. Amazing for a supposedly stainless steel device 5mm thick. 

Did anybody else experience that issue?

I'm struggling to find an exact replacement from Hydac, their current catalog does not feature the same attachments ends. 
( ref is SB0210 - 0,16 E2/302 U - 210HK030)
Does anybody have a suitable alternative?


Fair winds and fresh water to all!

Thomas
GARULFO 
Amel 54#122
Barbados



Bonding wire question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I haven't asked a question is a long time...so here goes.

This question is about the large soldered bundle of bonding wires located above the gray water sump.

Has anyone counted and traced these wires...and can tell me:
  1. How many wires are joined at this bundle on their boat? This will vary based on production year, options, and possibly owner-modifications.
  2. What each wire protects and where it terminates?
​I believe it will help everyone to have this information.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator watermaker diaphragm accumulator

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Thomas

Any brand of the same or greater volume and pressure can do this job. Check with Parker  Haniffin. Thay have good accumulators.

Vladimir 
SM 345 "Life is Good"


On Jan 9, 2018 15:41, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Amelians,

The high pressure diaphragm accumulator on our dessalator duo 100 failed due to rust. Amazing for a supposedly stainless steel device 5mm thick. 

Did anybody else experience that issue?

I'm struggling to find an exact replacement from Hydac, their current catalog does not feature the same attachments ends. 
( ref is SB0210 - 0,16 E2/302 U - 210HK030)
Does anybody have a suitable alternative?


Fair winds and fresh water to all!

Thomas
GARULFO 
Amel 54#122
Barbados



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Coppercoat?

Mark Erdos
 

Part of the argument for Copper Coat is their claim you save money not having to haul the boat as often. However, you will still need to haul an Amel to do drive maintenance. Therefore, not much of a savings when you think about it.

 

Also, the procedure to apply Copper Coat is not something an everyday boat yard does often or knows how to do. It is not as easy to apply as paint.

 

My 2 cents

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 11:11 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Coppercoat?

 

 

Hello there
I’d be interested if n group members thoughts and ideas experience with coppercoat
Assuming the hull is dry and well prepared etc
All the best for the new year
Miles
Maramu


Re: Coppercoat?

greatketch@...
 

Miles,

Coppercoat seems to be one of those things that sailors love to argue over--almost as much as which anchor is best. Some people think it is great stuff, others are very disappointed.  Some differences in opinion seem to be varying expectations, and others seem to come from using it in different environments. 

I have one piece of data, for your "what it is worth" pile...  The previous owners of Harmonie put on Coppercoat. Within a year they had it stripped off and went back to a conventional ablative paint.  I do not have any other information about the whys or wherefores on the changes, so it's not really a lot of help...

I have never been able to assemble data that convinced me one way or the other. It clearly works for some people, and not for others. I am sure that SOME of the failure stories are due to bad application, but I am also sure that not ALL of them are.    

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <smilesbernard@...> wrote :

Hello there
I’d be interested if n group members thoughts and ideas experience with coppercoat
Assuming the hull is dry and well prepared etc
All the best for the new year
Miles
Maramu


Dessalator watermaker diaphragm accumulator

Sv Garulfo
 


Hi Amelians,

The high pressure diaphragm accumulator on our dessalator duo 100 failed due to rust. Amazing for a supposedly stainless steel device 5mm thick. 

Did anybody else experience that issue?

I'm struggling to find an exact replacement from Hydac, their current catalog does not feature the same attachments ends. 
( ref is SB0210 - 0,16 E2/302 U - 210HK030)
Does anybody have a suitable alternative?


Fair winds and fresh water to all!

Thomas
GARULFO 
Amel 54#122
Barbados


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster shaft removal tool

greatketch@...
 

James,

There are three seals involved:

-The "outer" seals which do the primary sealing when the thruster is lifted underway, 
-The "inner" seal which seals when the thruster is lowered, and 
-The lip seal which keeps water out while moving in between "up" and "down".

The "inner seal" (the one you can see inside the cabin), is not really doing any meaningful sealing while the thruster is in the raised position, only when it is down for operation.

If your seals are relatively new and are leaking a bit while underway, you can probably fix it by raising the thurster's pinned position a few millimeters and compressing the seals more. You might want to try this before you replace the seals.  The foam gaskets that make the lower seal take a bit of a "set" when they are first compressed, so need a bit more compression to stay sealed for the long term.

Once you drop the thruster lower unit and lift it up on deck, it is a simple matter to replace the "lower" seals, as well as the others.

A general comment from the last service I did on our thruster:

The shaft tube was "furry" with glass fibers.  They would have torn up the lip seal in very short order, so I ran 800 grit sand paper over the shaft to be sure it was smooth, and then liberally greased it with waterproof silicon grease. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamescromie@...> wrote :

Thanks for the replies regarding the bow thruster. It was service only a year Ago and had new seals installed, though I noted some water seepage around the inside donut while under sail.  It would be nice to change just the inner seals, but I’m concerned that the compression fit of the outer seals may be part of the problem. 

As far as changing the name, I haven’t gone through the ritual of changing the nam yet ... so everything is still “la Bella Vita “ until that time... 
James


On Jan 9, 2018, at 6:25 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning James,

I saved mine (and it is for sale).
I might be (50% chance) in Martinique on the 15 and can bring it if you want to borrow (or buy) it. But having so many Amel there I am sure you can borrow one much sooner.

How come La Bella Vita will become Soteria? Selling your? Or haven’t you changed the name since you purchase her?

Alexandre

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On Mon, 1/8/18, jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster shaft removal tool
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, January 8, 2018, 7:47 PM


 






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Marinas

greatketch@...
 


Brown's shore power is the last piece of the hurricane damage to be repaired.  The new power pylons are all in place, and they are wiring them up.  Should be back shortly...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas





---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

What happened to the shore power at Brown’s? They had power when we were there a couple of years back.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 8:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Inverter/Charger wiring advise

 

 

John,

 

We'll second the vote for Browns. The only downside is that right now they don't have shore power on the docks, so if that is important to you, Bimini Big Game might be the better choice.  They are working on it...on island time. Everything else is in very good shape. Bimini Big Game looks nice on a walk through, although this time of year (between fishing seasons) everything here is really quiet. Right now there are three boats in Brown's, maybe a half dozen in Bimini Big Game.  Might change for the weekend, there is a big wahoo fishing tournament.

 

If you do come to Brown's and you want the restaurants and bars at Bimini Big Game, they are just a short walk away.

 

We're pulling out of Brown's tomorrow, and anchoring in Nixons Harbor for a day or two, then heading up to Freeport, then to the Berry Islands... then south... Watch for us on AIS!

 

All the marinas here have a very strong tidal current that runs through more or less parallel to the slips, so be ready for it.  The entrance channel has plenty of water, and the buoys are in place and correctly mark the channel, although they don't match the chart exactly. Trust the buoys more than the chart. Except...there was one errant red nun that was sitting right on top of the sand bar that wasn't on the chart at all, and looked to have drifted in from somewhere else.

 

Enjoy!

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

North Bimini, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Coppercoat?

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

I’ve got copper coat on Eleuthera.  Works good against Barnacles… bit less efficient against the green stuff.

Jean-Pierre
SY Eleuthera, SM 007
Panama

On 9 Jan 2018, at 10:11, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello there
I’d be interested if n group members thoughts and ideas experience with coppercoat
Assuming the hull is dry and well prepared etc
All the best for the new year
Miles
Maramu 



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