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Re: Battery Switches

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul on mine ,which should be the same,there is a small hole in the red handle ,I assume it was there because there was a pin holding the handle in place. Did you remove yours by just pulling it off?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2021 8:33 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Battery Switches

The handle on my switch is just to pill off just friction holding it in place.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM # 259; Las Palmas


Re: Battery Switches

Paul Osterberg
 

The handle on my switch is just to pill off just friction holding it in place.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM # 259; Las Palmas


Re: lithium battery warning

Ruslan Osmonov
 

@Michael, insurance has a different point of view on lithium 🙂 it is about stats and making money.


here is a quote from AAC website on tips about insurance. One of them about Lithium. 


https://www.morganscloud.com/2021/07/05/27-tips-to-get-insurance-for-offshore-voyaging-part-1-us-and-our-boat/

And while we are thinking about excuses underwriters can use to say no, think very carefully before adding new technology to your boat. For example, two AAC members were turned down by a major American underwriter because their boats have lithium batteries.


Re: Battery Switches

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I received a quote from Maud in April 2019 for 236.07 Euros plus tax and transport.  This was for a 54, not clear if the disconnects are interchangeable.
--
Mark & Debbie Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Maramu sail plan

Lance Leonard
 

It looks like it is set up for a hank on sail of some kind. The previous owner has made some odd choices here and there. BTW we were looking at a catamaran in Brunswick when my wife saw her first Amel, and now her we are. She walked away from the broker and wandered down the dock. I made my apologies to the broker (we weren’t buying a catamaran today) and found her talking to the owner of a SM, I think her name was Barbara.


Re: Maramu sail plan

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Staysail is (in french) "Trinquette"


On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, 04:14:45 PM AST, Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:


Randell,

The term “mizzen ballooner” is Amel’s odd and unique way of referring to what everybody else in the sailing world calls a “mizzen staysail.”  They are equivalent terms that refer to the same sail.  I believe the usual French term for a staysail would be voile d’ėtai

Bill Kinney
SM 160, Harmonie
Brunswick, GA 


Battery Switches

Patrick McAneny
 

I need to remove my battery switches ,hopefully to clean the contacts. Does anyone know the trick to removing the handles. It is hard to see into the small holes ,but I don't see a split pin to drive out. I also  don't know if it is hard to access the inside of the switch,but I know Brian on Delos cleaned his contacts ,so it is possible. Neither of my engines would start today and the only common thing to both is the switch and after turning them on and off several times ,they both turned over. Does anyone know if these switches can be purchased new.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Maramu sail plan

Bill Kinney
 

Randell,

The term “mizzen ballooner” is Amel’s odd and unique way of referring to what everybody else in the sailing world calls a “mizzen staysail.”  They are equivalent terms that refer to the same sail.  I believe the usual French term for a staysail would be voile d’ėtai

Bill Kinney
SM 160, Harmonie
Brunswick, GA 


Re: lithium battery warning

Eric Meury
 
Edited



Michael.     look i'm not trying to gossip or stur up anything..  I"m part of this group, i'm an amel owner, and i have insurance via the jackline.  You can believe what you want AND I AGREE 100% with  i'm just tellign the group what was just told me.  I didn't ask about lithium   It should be telling that this was the companies first question.  Not the age of the bolt, not the condition, not the model, not the hull material.  She didn't seem to happy about it.


Re: lithium battery warning

Mark Erdos
 

This is going to continue to grow as an issue for people with lithium battery installations (especially those who self installed). The ABYC now has TE-13 which specifies notifications (visual and/or audible) prior to BMS disconnect. Only a few high end UL listed LiFePo4 batteries have this feature.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Meury
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 5:58 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] lithium battery warning

 

take this for what it is worth.  

This may be a new reality.  but it is information you can decide what is best for you.  I posted this on the Amel FB group

LIthium battery warning!!!!

background : We are considering selling our santorin and looking at French Alum. Centerboard Sloops. In my research, i decided to call our insurance "the jackline" THE FIRST QUESTIONS SHE ASKED ME was "what type of batteries does the boat have" The very first! .... this prompted a discussion and these are what she said for the boats to be underwirtten. This is a big deal for even those Amels that have converted already. When you want to sell others may not be able to bind coverage. This changes my thoughts regarding intalling lithium in our current boat or any possible boat we purchase.

These are the rules.

lithium batteries have to bms. can't be self installed, and have to be installed by US person that has experience, and the value of the boat has to be under 150k.


Re: lithium battery warning

Michael Markstaller
 

Sorry, this is IMHO just GOSSIP for making poeple crazy/scary!
LiFeYPO4 batteries are even safer than GEL/AGM, muuch more powerful and
resistant against cycles/deep discharge.
Yes, one needs a BMS for every cell, like it (should!) be for every
other battery.

But I'm looking forward for my 800Ah @ 12V to arrive soon and install
with > 1kWp PV :-)


greets, Michael


Am 03.08.21 um 17:58 schrieb Eric Meury:

take this for what it is worth.  

This may be a new reality.  but it is information you can decide what is
best for you.  I posted this on the Amel FB group

LIthium battery warning!!!!
background : We are considering selling our santorin and looking at
French Alum. Centerboard Sloops. In my research, i decided to call our
insurance "the jackline" THE FIRST QUESTIONS SHE ASKED ME was "what type
of batteries does the boat have" The very first! .... this prompted a
discussion and these are what she said for the boats to be underwirtten.
This is a big deal for even those Amels that have converted already.
When you want to sell others may not be able to bind coverage. This
changes my thoughts regarding intalling lithium in our current boat or
any possible boat we purchase.
These are the rules.
lithium batteries have to bms. can't be self installed, and have to be
installed by US person that has experience, and the value of the boat
has to be under 150k.
--
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Mit freundlichen Grüssen

Michael Markstaller
Softwareentwicklung & IT-Dienstleistungen

Am Birkengarten 19b
82024 Taufkirchen
Tel: +49-89-21553825, Mobile: +49-179-2080789
USt-ID: DE293191950
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Daniela & Michael
Blue Horizon - EUROS #215


lithium battery warning

Eric Meury
 

take this for what it is worth.  

This may be a new reality.  but it is information you can decide what is best for you.  I posted this on the Amel FB group

LIthium battery warning!!!!
background : We are considering selling our santorin and looking at French Alum. Centerboard Sloops. In my research, i decided to call our insurance "the jackline" THE FIRST QUESTIONS SHE ASKED ME was "what type of batteries does the boat have" The very first! .... this prompted a discussion and these are what she said for the boats to be underwirtten. This is a big deal for even those Amels that have converted already. When you want to sell others may not be able to bind coverage. This changes my thoughts regarding intalling lithium in our current boat or any possible boat we purchase.
These are the rules.
lithium batteries have to bms. can't be self installed, and have to be installed by US person that has experience, and the value of the boat has to be under 150k.


Re: Seawater intake

 

Here is a snippet of a page from my Amel Book:
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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 7:03 PM Bryce Procter via groups.io <Balibryce=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I need to clean out the seawater intake on my SM2000 preferably without a bailout. Any suggestions on how to plug the inlet in the hull or what diameter the hole is. I'm assuming that with the amount of barnacles etc we get here in the tropics it's not going to be a nice smooth round surface for a wooden bung.
I have used gallons of vinegar and baking soda above the valve but the problem appears to be between the valve and the inlet.

Cheers
Bryce
SM 2000 #467
Seamaster ll


Re: Onan Generator Exhaust thru hull

Richie Whyte
 

Hi Randall,
It will take a year or so before our next haul out but I will document the job when I do it then.

Richie


Richie Whyte

Why Knot (formerly GUMA)

SM2K#261

On the hard, Kos Marina

Kos, Greece


Re: Onan Generator Exhaust thru hull

Randall Walker
 

Richie,
Take photos of your task and post them, Fur all the Amel present and future owners.

Randall
A54#56

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 04:39 Richie Whyte <richiewhyte@...> wrote:

Hi All
Monsieur Amel must have visited me in my dreams as I have decided to go the 4200 sealant route at the next hail out. Thank you all for your advice. 


Richie

Richie Whyte

Why Knot (formerly GUMA)

SM2K#261

On the hard, Kos Marina

Kos, Greece


Re: Maramu sail plan

Randall Walker
 

Could the mention of a “mizzen stay sail” simply be a odd way of referring to the Ballooner sail??

Randall
A54#56

On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 22:30 Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Lance,

I have never seen or heard of a stay from the front of a mizzen mast forward to the deck, and I have sailed ketches for decades.  It is not an Amel original setup.  As you have suggested a mizzen staysail is always flown on its own internal stay.  In the old days, this was wire, in modern sails a high tech line of spectra, kevlar, or dyneema.  Certainly when sailing downwind the mizzen mast is not in need of extra support FORWARD.  

My only guess (and it is just that) in this case is that whoever added this stay was thinking of a mizzen staysail that was a "hank-on" sail.  It would be a strange beast...

All that said, sailboat rigging is a study in infinite variations, and I have certainly not heard of them all....

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Brunswick, GA


Re: Onan Generator Exhaust thru hull

Richie Whyte
 

Hi All
Monsieur Amel must have visited me in my dreams as I have decided to go the 4200 sealant route at the next hail out. Thank you all for your advice. 


Richie

Richie Whyte

Why Knot (formerly GUMA)

SM2K#261

On the hard, Kos Marina

Kos, Greece


Re: Maramu sail plan

Bill Kinney
 

Lance,

I have never seen or heard of a stay from the front of a mizzen mast forward to the deck, and I have sailed ketches for decades.  It is not an Amel original setup.  As you have suggested a mizzen staysail is always flown on its own internal stay.  In the old days, this was wire, in modern sails a high tech line of spectra, kevlar, or dyneema.  Certainly when sailing downwind the mizzen mast is not in need of extra support FORWARD.  

My only guess (and it is just that) in this case is that whoever added this stay was thinking of a mizzen staysail that was a "hank-on" sail.  It would be a strange beast...

All that said, sailboat rigging is a study in infinite variations, and I have certainly not heard of them all....

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Brunswick, GA


Re: Holding Tank

Mark Erdos
 

As others have suggested, it is possible to use a large flat screwdriver to lift the cap a little bit. I would add that as soon as you can fit the red straw tube of some WD40 under the lip of the cap, give it a squirt all around.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eloi Bamberg
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 7:08 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Holding Tank

 

Hello,
Till now, I never had to open my black water holding tanks. Today I tried to remove the black plastic caps on deck by turning and lifting with no success. I didn't force to much to avoid braking them. What is the correct way to open them?
Eloi
SM2K RedLion


Re: Seawater intake

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hole is 1 1/4 inch.  A broom handle works but a length of 1/19 wire which is peeled back will get rid of most barnacles

Good luck.

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007, New Zealand



On 3 Aug 2021, at 12:03, Bryce Procter via groups.io <Balibryce@...> wrote:

I need to clean out the seawater intake on my SM2000 preferably without a bailout. Any suggestions on how to plug the inlet in the hull or what diameter the hole is. I'm assuming that with the amount of barnacles etc we get here in the tropics it's not going to be a nice smooth round surface for a wooden bung.
I have used gallons of vinegar and baking soda above the valve but the problem appears to be between the valve and the inlet.

Cheers
Bryce
SM 2000 #467
Seamaster ll

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