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Re: Wind generators

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Danny,

Agree 100%. I wish I had researched the WG market better before buying and installing in 2017.  My last boat had a Rutland but a smaller model. Trouble free for ten years and no noise. The output was low though.

I may well install a Superwind, as the mounting arrangement I already have only needs some minor adapting. Still mulling it over. The top of the mizzen is a great place for one but it is a long way up there if one has to lash the blades….


Recently I enjoyed some pretty strong winds, with gusts well into sixty knot range, and sustained winds of 40 knots. These conditions burned out the Rutlands as the stop mechanism could not hold them. No way anyone was getting close to the WG to turn it. Too dangerous for sure.

The idea that one can keep piling on extra solar panels at low cost for amps produced can only go so far. My set up was fine but the stern solar arch/dinghy davits is extremely robust and the solar panels well mounted with eight fixing points bolted to lugs.I would not have been happy with significantly more solar area in such conditions.  As for rail mounted panels, that would have been a horror show. I think one really needs to plan on occasional storms or other forms of severe weather. Solar panels can be pretty streamline but if the wind was to somehow get underneath one, a dangerous situation could develop quite quickly. I am thinking West Indian style corrugated roof sheets flying around in a hurricane. 

Regards

Nick (back in the UK)

S/Y Amelia 
AML 54-019 
Leros









On 30 Aug 2021, at 07:32, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Nick. Your comment  that had you bought a super wind first is the telling one. The expense and failure associated with the model you bought is critical in how you see  wind. Consider how you might feel if you had had a super wind trouble free on top of your mizzen for 10 years. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2021 at 17:48 "ngtnewington Newington via groups.io" <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Surely it depends on where you cruise and the time of year.
To give an extreme example; in the north of the U.K. during winter there is precious little sun, about 6 hours of daylight and 18 of darkness. Solar will not produce much, whilst wind will perform as it blows like hell.
I am not planning on a winter cruise of the Hebrides!

Another example is Lanzarote in the Canary Islands. It blows the whole time and is sunny too. Both will perform.

I have a pair of Rutland 1200’s and they had a remote monitor with accumulative amps generated. 
Each Rutland came with a controller that could also do solar.
So I had a port controller of the Rutland with one 265a solar panel.
And a starboard controller doing the starboard WG and Starboard solar panel.
They both had counters on the remotes.
Solar out performed wind most of the time. However whilst sailing in strong winds even downwind the WG ‘s we’re useful, especially the windward WG. I found that at night running everything with the autopilot working hard I had full batteries.
Unfortunately I did not record the figures of cumulative amps generated.
So the set up was great in principle….but 

the controllers got hot and seamed to be a bit primitive.
So I changed to a single Blue Sky Solar controller for both panels,
And continued with the WG controllers for them.

The WG’s were silent re the blades but created a harmonic hum that came down the frame into the aft cabin.

The WG’s failed and went back for repair (free)

Now they failed again and burned out. Rutland have said they will repair them for free.

So now I have lugged the whole lot back to the U.K. for repair but I have had it with the brand. The company has been good but frankly they are just not reliable enough for Amelia.
So I will try and eBay them after service.

On a cost benefit basis, including the hassle and irritation I am afraid that solar has been an outright winner and wind a painful expensive hassle.

In conclusion for my cruising plans that may include some summer higher latitude forays solar will be the backbone of renewable power. I may add a Superwind 350, we shall see.

Had I bought Superwind 350 from the beginning I may have had a great set up. The trouble is that they are damn expensive compared to solar!

Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019 back stored ashore in Leros as I am 83 days out of 90 in Schengen.


 

On 30 Aug 2021, at 04:54, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

all good

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 13:01 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

I was pulling your leg… :-)


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 30 Aug 2021, at 13:00, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Well JP that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2021 at 11:46 Germain Jean-Pierre < jp.germain45@...> wrote:

I know the answer…. PEANUTS!!  :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera SM007 Opua


 

On 30 Aug 2021, at 10:28, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan, no I cant, I don't have that capability. My system has an ammeter that shows amps net of input and out put.

Regards

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 09:50 Alan Leslie < s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

So can you tell us how many actual amps you see  at those different wind speeds?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


 


 



 


 


 


 



Re: Wind generators

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Nick. Your comment  that had you bought a super wind first is the telling one. The expense and failure associated with the model you bought is critical in how you see  wind. Consider how you might feel if you had had a super wind trouble free on top of your mizzen for 10 years. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2021 at 17:48 "ngtnewington Newington via groups.io" <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Surely it depends on where you cruise and the time of year.
To give an extreme example; in the north of the U.K. during winter there is precious little sun, about 6 hours of daylight and 18 of darkness. Solar will not produce much, whilst wind will perform as it blows like hell.
I am not planning on a winter cruise of the Hebrides!

Another example is Lanzarote in the Canary Islands. It blows the whole time and is sunny too. Both will perform.

I have a pair of Rutland 1200’s and they had a remote monitor with accumulative amps generated. 
Each Rutland came with a controller that could also do solar.
So I had a port controller of the Rutland with one 265a solar panel.
And a starboard controller doing the starboard WG and Starboard solar panel.
They both had counters on the remotes.
Solar out performed wind most of the time. However whilst sailing in strong winds even downwind the WG ‘s we’re useful, especially the windward WG. I found that at night running everything with the autopilot working hard I had full batteries.
Unfortunately I did not record the figures of cumulative amps generated.
So the set up was great in principle….but 

the controllers got hot and seamed to be a bit primitive.
So I changed to a single Blue Sky Solar controller for both panels,
And continued with the WG controllers for them.

The WG’s were silent re the blades but created a harmonic hum that came down the frame into the aft cabin.

The WG’s failed and went back for repair (free)

Now they failed again and burned out. Rutland have said they will repair them for free.

So now I have lugged the whole lot back to the U.K. for repair but I have had it with the brand. The company has been good but frankly they are just not reliable enough for Amelia.
So I will try and eBay them after service.

On a cost benefit basis, including the hassle and irritation I am afraid that solar has been an outright winner and wind a painful expensive hassle.

In conclusion for my cruising plans that may include some summer higher latitude forays solar will be the backbone of renewable power. I may add a Superwind 350, we shall see.

Had I bought Superwind 350 from the beginning I may have had a great set up. The trouble is that they are damn expensive compared to solar!

Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019 back stored ashore in Leros as I am 83 days out of 90 in Schengen.


 

On 30 Aug 2021, at 04:54, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

all good

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 13:01 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

I was pulling your leg… :-)


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 30 Aug 2021, at 13:00, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Well JP that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2021 at 11:46 Germain Jean-Pierre < jp.germain45@...> wrote:

I know the answer…. PEANUTS!!  :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera SM007 Opua


 

On 30 Aug 2021, at 10:28, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan, no I cant, I don't have that capability. My system has an ammeter that shows amps net of input and out put.

Regards

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 09:50 Alan Leslie < s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

So can you tell us how many actual amps you see  at those different wind speeds?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


 


 



 


 


 


 


Re: Wind generators

ngtnewington Newington
 

Surely it depends on where you cruise and the time of year.
To give an extreme example; in the north of the U.K. during winter there is precious little sun, about 6 hours of daylight and 18 of darkness. Solar will not produce much, whilst wind will perform as it blows like hell.
I am not planning on a winter cruise of the Hebrides!

Another example is Lanzarote in the Canary Islands. It blows the whole time and is sunny too. Both will perform.

I have a pair of Rutland 1200’s and they had a remote monitor with accumulative amps generated. 
Each Rutland came with a controller that could also do solar.
So I had a port controller of the Rutland with one 265a solar panel.
And a starboard controller doing the starboard WG and Starboard solar panel.
They both had counters on the remotes.
Solar out performed wind most of the time. However whilst sailing in strong winds even downwind the WG ‘s we’re useful, especially the windward WG. I found that at night running everything with the autopilot working hard I had full batteries.
Unfortunately I did not record the figures of cumulative amps generated.
So the set up was great in principle….but 

the controllers got hot and seamed to be a bit primitive.
So I changed to a single Blue Sky Solar controller for both panels,
And continued with the WG controllers for them.

The WG’s were silent re the blades but created a harmonic hum that came down the frame into the aft cabin.

The WG’s failed and went back for repair (free)

Now they failed again and burned out. Rutland have said they will repair them for free.

So now I have lugged the whole lot back to the U.K. for repair but I have had it with the brand. The company has been good but frankly they are just not reliable enough for Amelia.
So I will try and eBay them after service.

On a cost benefit basis, including the hassle and irritation I am afraid that solar has been an outright winner and wind a painful expensive hassle.

In conclusion for my cruising plans that may include some summer higher latitude forays solar will be the backbone of renewable power. I may add a Superwind 350, we shall see.

Had I bought Superwind 350 from the beginning I may have had a great set up. The trouble is that they are damn expensive compared to solar!

Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019 back stored ashore in Leros as I am 83 days out of 90 in Schengen.



On 30 Aug 2021, at 04:54, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



all good

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 13:01 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

I was pulling your leg… :-)


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 30 Aug 2021, at 13:00, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Well JP that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2021 at 11:46 Germain Jean-Pierre < jp.germain45@...> wrote:

I know the answer…. PEANUTS!!  :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera SM007 Opua


 

On 30 Aug 2021, at 10:28, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan, no I cant, I don't have that capability. My system has an ammeter that shows amps net of input and out put.

Regards

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 09:50 Alan Leslie < s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

So can you tell us how many actual amps you see  at those different wind speeds?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


 


 



 


 


Re: Wind generators

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alan,

simple fellow that I am, I see valuable input from my super wind 350. Anything over 15knots apparent my super wind keeps my autohelm, radar, chart plotter and instruments functioning. Don't want any more than that. I have yet to hear a super wind owner slag them off.

Installation and positioning are critical. Mine is on top of the mizzen, couldn't be better. No noise, no vibration.

After 10 years the bearings wore out. Fist time up the mast to service it. Do me.

I know how much I would miss it on ocean passages because once I had a bad connection, couldn't understand why my batteries were not keeping up. Once I fixed that connection the difference was dramatic. 

I am not trying to power a floating marina condo with untold land type appliances.

What I want on an ocean passage is power to run my auto helm radios radar and instruments reliably, and to do that I need redundancy. Wind, solar and diesel. 

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2021 at 14:01 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

I think that most wind generator enthusiasts are enthused without much information on how they perform in the real world. 
The curves of the Superwind 350 and the D400 show pretty much the same output vs windspeed up to 25knots.
They are similar in design - both 3-phase axial generators.
At 15 knots they both say they produce about 3A at 15 knots and about 7.5A at 20 knots  - 24V - see attached.
The Superwind levels off at 25 knots / 14.5A output due to its auto feathering system. The D400 keeps going at higher wind speeds 20A @ 30 knots, 27A @35 knots.
Of course, all these numbers are assuming a constant wind speed from a constant direction..... a luxury ideal that we rarely see.
And that confirms my previous comment, the only time I ever saw useful output from our D400 was heading up wind in  35+ knots, but I wouldn't pay wind generator money just to have that experience!
In general terms, under most conditions, it seems they don't put out much at all and the kW/$ equation just doesn't add up to me.
Still each to his own. Belief seems to be as important as evidence these days in some quarters.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Wind generators

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

all good

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 13:01 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

I was pulling your leg… :-)


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 30 Aug 2021, at 13:00, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Well JP that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2021 at 11:46 Germain Jean-Pierre < jp.germain45@...> wrote:

I know the answer…. PEANUTS!!  :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera SM007 Opua


 

On 30 Aug 2021, at 10:28, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan, no I cant, I don't have that capability. My system has an ammeter that shows amps net of input and out put.

Regards

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 09:50 Alan Leslie < s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

So can you tell us how many actual amps you see  at those different wind speeds?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


 


 



 


 


Re: Wind generators

Alan Leslie
 

I think that most wind generator enthusiasts are enthused without much information on how they perform in the real world. 
The curves of the Superwind 350 and the D400 show pretty much the same output vs windspeed up to 25knots.
They are similar in design - both 3-phase axial generators.
At 15 knots they both say they produce about 3A at 15 knots and about 7.5A at 20 knots  - 24V - see attached.
The Superwind levels off at 25 knots / 14.5A output due to its auto feathering system. The D400 keeps going at higher wind speeds 20A @ 30 knots, 27A @35 knots.
Of course, all these numbers are assuming a constant wind speed from a constant direction..... a luxury ideal that we rarely see.
And that confirms my previous comment, the only time I ever saw useful output from our D400 was heading up wind in  35+ knots, but I wouldn't pay wind generator money just to have that experience!
In general terms, under most conditions, it seems they don't put out much at all and the kW/$ equation just doesn't add up to me.
Still each to his own. Belief seems to be as important as evidence these days in some quarters.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Wind generators

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Danny,

I was pulling your leg… :-)


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 30 Aug 2021, at 13:00, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Well JP that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2021 at 11:46 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

I know the answer…. PEANUTS!!  :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera SM007 Opua


 

On 30 Aug 2021, at 10:28, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan, no I cant, I don't have that capability. My system has an ammeter that shows amps net of input and out put.

Regards

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 09:50 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

So can you tell us how many actual amps you see  at those different wind speeds?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


 


 



Re: Wind generators

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Well JP that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2021 at 11:46 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

I know the answer…. PEANUTS!!  :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera SM007 Opua


 

On 30 Aug 2021, at 10:28, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan, no I cant, I don't have that capability. My system has an ammeter that shows amps net of input and out put.

Regards

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 09:50 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

So can you tell us how many actual amps you see  at those different wind speeds?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


 


 


Re: Wind generators

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

I know the answer…. PEANUTS!!  :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera SM007 Opua



On 30 Aug 2021, at 10:28, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi Alan, no I cant, I don't have that capability. My system has an ammeter that shows amps net of input and out put.

Regards

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 09:50 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

So can you tell us how many actual amps you see  at those different wind speeds?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Wind generators

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alan, no I cant, I don't have that capability. My system has an ammeter that shows amps net of input and out put.

Regards

Danny

On 30 August 2021 at 09:50 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

So can you tell us how many actual amps you see  at those different wind speeds?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Wind generators

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Danny,

So can you tell us how many actual amps you see  at those different wind speeds?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Black box

 

Pat,

Check & Check!


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 3:27 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, You will understand my concern about isolation after my alternator fiasco .New one installed ,no neg. leak,check one off the long list.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2021 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Black box

Pat,

does the box need to be electrically isolated from the engine?

No, it does not.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:45 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Kent , They don't state if the bolts go all the way thru , my concern is or my question is , does the box need to be electrically isolated from the engine? It has been very hot and humid for weeks ,but starting today the temps are going down,next weekend I saw the high only being 68.,so it may be safe to return. Stop and drop a hook on your return ,we would love to have you and Iris up to the house for drinks & dinner.
Thanks,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Black box

Hi Pat.  You can get any style you want at McMaster-Carr. If the bolt goes all the way through the rubber bushing, it wouldn't offer much vibration dampening.
Hi to Diane
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Still in Maine, starting our hop South.

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Black box

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, You will understand my concern about isolation after my alternator fiasco .New one installed ,no neg. leak,check one off the long list.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2021 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Black box

Pat,

does the box need to be electrically isolated from the engine?

No, it does not.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:45 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Kent , They don't state if the bolts go all the way thru , my concern is or my question is , does the box need to be electrically isolated from the engine? It has been very hot and humid for weeks ,but starting today the temps are going down,next weekend I saw the high only being 68.,so it may be safe to return. Stop and drop a hook on your return ,we would love to have you and Iris up to the house for drinks & dinner.
Thanks,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Black box

Hi Pat.  You can get any style you want at McMaster-Carr. If the bolt goes all the way through the rubber bushing, it wouldn't offer much vibration dampening.
Hi to Diane
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Still in Maine, starting our hop South.

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: main outhaul

 

Eloi, 

This was made originally by Alban LEROY with Amel in Martinique. It has been made by more than one of my clients using a local machine shop.

If you noticed this card in the file I previously attached, Scotty Robinson<wescon13@...> made several sets of these and I believe have them in stock.
image.png


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 9:34 AM Eloi Bamberg <eloi.bamberg@...> wrote:
Hello Bill,
As You know, I own your great book. At the moment I only have a jaw puller. Where can I buy one of those axel pullers, I didn`t find anything similar.

regards,
Eloi


Re: Black box

 

Pat,

does the box need to be electrically isolated from the engine?

No, it does not.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:45 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Kent , They don't state if the bolts go all the way thru , my concern is or my question is , does the box need to be electrically isolated from the engine? It has been very hot and humid for weeks ,but starting today the temps are going down,next weekend I saw the high only being 68.,so it may be safe to return. Stop and drop a hook on your return ,we would love to have you and Iris up to the house for drinks & dinner.
Thanks,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Black box

Hi Pat.  You can get any style you want at McMaster-Carr. If the bolt goes all the way through the rubber bushing, it wouldn't offer much vibration dampening.
Hi to Diane
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Still in Maine, starting our hop South.

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: main outhaul

Eloi Bamberg
 

Hello Bill,
As You know, I own your great book. At the moment I only have a jaw puller. Where can I buy one of those axel pullers, I didn`t find anything similar.

regards,
Eloi


Re: Black box

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, So the box does not need to be isolated ,good to know. I will then order the bushings. 
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 11:41 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Black box

Pat,

Those studs are for vibration isolation. They do isolate electrically, but that is incidental. Like you we replaced ours when the old ones gave up.  The studs do not connect through.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD


Re: Black box

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent , They don't state if the bolts go all the way thru , my concern is or my question is , does the box need to be electrically isolated from the engine? It has been very hot and humid for weeks ,but starting today the temps are going down,next weekend I saw the high only being 68.,so it may be safe to return. Stop and drop a hook on your return ,we would love to have you and Iris up to the house for drinks & dinner.
Thanks,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Black box

Hi Pat.  You can get any style you want at McMaster-Carr. If the bolt goes all the way through the rubber bushing, it wouldn't offer much vibration dampening.
Hi to Diane
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Still in Maine, starting our hop South.

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: main outhaul

 

Yes.

The following file is from my Amel Book Supplemental Files, and is what will make that job simple:


This is another puller that will also work. The below image is a snippet of one-half of a page from my Amel Book.

image.png


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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 5:17 AM Eloi Bamberg <eloi.bamberg@...> wrote:
Hello,
My main outhaul gearbox looks rather "used". I tried to remove the shaft to replace it. But it seems impossible with my straight jaw puller. I put on the max force I can but it doesn't move. Any idea/hint what to do to loosen it up?

Eloi,
SM2K 426 RedLion 


main outhaul

Eloi Bamberg
 

Hello,
My main outhaul gearbox looks rather "used". I tried to remove the shaft to replace it. But it seems impossible with my straight jaw puller. I put on the max force I can but it doesn't move. Any idea/hint what to do to loosen it up?

Eloi,
SM2K 426 RedLion 

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