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Re: Swivel or Shackle

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Pat,

Mantus swivel uses two stainless seizing wires in opposite directions which increases safety of one seizing failure.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Northern Cyprus.


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On Thursday, July 1, 2021, 11:54 pm, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:

I wanted to change out my chain end for end and while trying to remove my swivel, I stripped the female hex head bolt that secures the pin. I assumed I would buy another swivel until I read in Practical Sailor magazine about the many failures from side loading,etc.,that there has been with swivels. They see no advantage over a simple shackle or two. So I was wondering if other owners just kept it simple and went with a shackle . I was thinking about going with the Mantus ,but I am concerned that if that single seizing wire should chafe ,the bolt could back out.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Swivel or Shackle

Ian Park
 

If you use a swivel do not attach it directly to the anchor. Attach a few links of chain, then the swivel and finally the main chain. This means that the swivel always pulls in a straight line.
I have abandoned using a swivel. When removing mine to turn the chain, the hex bolt that holds it together had suffered serious metal deterioration and disintegrated. None of this was visible, and I was lucky not to have lost the anchor. I have not had any serious chain twisting issues even in strong tidal streams.
It was a Kong Swivel which I refastened every time I turned the chain end to end ( at least biannually).

Ian ‘Ocean Hobo’
Isles of Scilly


Re: Swivel or Shackle

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Pat , 

For what it’s worth , we have never used an anchor swivel but have two shackles in tandem between our 33kg Spade and the chain . In 21 years the anchor has always come home without a problem

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 Kilada , Greece ( sea temp 29c with weather warnings about the land temp. Not yet like NW. USA but getting there !) 


On 2 Jul 2021, at 00:51, Michael Winand <mickwinand@...> wrote:


We have a sarca exel no7 straight shackle to the chain,  only had twisted chain once, when anchored in a tidal river.  Fixed it on a deep anchored place 18meters.
Double the seized wire, easy to verify it is not damaged. 
Michael Nebo sm251 

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021, 6:54 am Patrick McAneny via groups.io, <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I wanted to change out my chain end for end and while trying to remove my swivel, I stripped the female hex head bolt that secures the pin. I assumed I would buy another swivel until I read in Practical Sailor magazine about the many failures from side loading,etc.,that there has been with swivels. They see no advantage over a simple shackle or two. So I was wondering if other owners just kept it simple and went with a shackle . I was thinking about going with the Mantus ,but I am concerned that if that single seizing wire should chafe ,the bolt could back out.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Change seacock on a sharki

Johannes Schmidt
 

Dieter,

we used a chisel and a sharp screwdriver to remove the fibreglass.

Good luck and be patient on this - removing the shelf covers definitely helped.

Kind regards,

Johannes


Re: Hello Maramu Owners and Genoa Swivel

 

yes, the swivel
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 3:55 PM Antonio Alati via groups.io <a.alati=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:


Il giorno 1 lug 2021, alle ore 21:10, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:

Maramu #202 has a Genoa Swivel that needs replacing. It has a 52mm foil. Amel has a SM swivel that they say is for a 52mm foil.

Has anyone installed a SM Genoa Swivel on a Maramu?

Bill


Re: Swivel or Shackle

Michael Winand
 

We have a sarca exel no7 straight shackle to the chain,  only had twisted chain once, when anchored in a tidal river.  Fixed it on a deep anchored place 18meters.
Double the seized wire, easy to verify it is not damaged. 
Michael Nebo sm251 

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021, 6:54 am Patrick McAneny via groups.io, <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I wanted to change out my chain end for end and while trying to remove my swivel, I stripped the female hex head bolt that secures the pin. I assumed I would buy another swivel until I read in Practical Sailor magazine about the many failures from side loading,etc.,that there has been with swivels. They see no advantage over a simple shackle or two. So I was wondering if other owners just kept it simple and went with a shackle . I was thinking about going with the Mantus ,but I am concerned that if that single seizing wire should chafe ,the bolt could back out.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Hello Maramu Owners and Genoa Swivel

Antonio Alati
 



Il giorno 1 lug 2021, alle ore 21:10, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:

Maramu #202 has a Genoa Swivel that needs replacing. It has a 52mm foil. Amel has a SM swivel that they say is for a 52mm foil.

Has anyone installed a SM Genoa Swivel on a Maramu?

Bill


Swivel or Shackle

Patrick McAneny
 

I wanted to change out my chain end for end and while trying to remove my swivel, I stripped the female hex head bolt that secures the pin. I assumed I would buy another swivel until I read in Practical Sailor magazine about the many failures from side loading,etc.,that there has been with swivels. They see no advantage over a simple shackle or two. So I was wondering if other owners just kept it simple and went with a shackle . I was thinking about going with the Mantus ,but I am concerned that if that single seizing wire should chafe ,the bolt could back out.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Hello Maramu Owners and Genoa Swivel

Antonio Alati
 


Hi Bill you mean this ? Maramu n. 211 



Il giorno 1 lug 2021, alle ore 21:10, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:


Maramu #202 has a Genoa Swivel that needs replacing. It has a 52mm foil. Amel has a SM swivel that they say is for a 52mm foil.

Has anyone installed a SM Genoa Swivel on a Maramu?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Hello Maramu Owners and Genoa Swivel

 

Maramu #202 has a Genoa Swivel that needs replacing. It has a 52mm foil. Amel has a SM swivel that they say is for a 52mm foil.

Has anyone installed a SM Genoa Swivel on a Maramu?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: Again a question about yacht insurance

Drew Gaffney
 

We just renewed with Topsail for our 2nd year after Pantaenius left the market and Markel/IMIS wouldn't take us back because of "pandemic in Italy" despite our never having a claim, including the previous 7 years them.
With global warming's bigger, earlier, and more frequent storms, this is only going to worsen...
Good luck!
Drew Gaffney 
Revelation SM390
Carloforte, Sardinia

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 19:38 Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Dear Forum,

Is anyone aware of a insurance company that offers yacht insurance for a reasonable premium that includes named windstorm coverage outside the hurricane area (Curacao)?

Our current broker (Used to be Y-yacht but taken over by Topsail) seems to unable to meet this request.

Thanks in advance,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Forestay replacement Maramu

Alex BAIZEAU
 

Hello,

We recently purchased a Maramu with a Nirvana Genoa furler, we are currently replacing the forestay because it cannot be inspected.

We just pulled the old one out and it seems like Somme rubber like bushings/protective sleeve were installed for around 2 meters. 


It looks like they were put together before the end fitting were installed as it doesn’t look like they can be removed.

We reinserted the forestay that Acmo built for us ( without sleeves)

Before putting everything back together we’d like to know if we should source some of those sleeves.

Thanks

Alex

Maramu #207 


Re: Change seacock on a sharki

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Dieter,

I confirm the seacock is installed the same way on a Sharki and on an SM, as Mark describes.
If the seacock does not come off easily (it may be the original one!!!), you may help releasing it by warming up with an electric blowing heat gun.
The through-hull fitiing is a piece of threaded brass tube, glassed to the hull with GRP.

Good luck with this work.

Olivier.

On Thursday, July 1, 2021, 01:07:59 PM GMT+2, INUS - BUSCH <mail@...> wrote:


Mark,
don't know if the seacock lamination is the same on sharki, but I also assume yes. Will try as you described, I think it will come off without removing GRP. Attached is the foto. Thanks for your quick answer.
All the best
Dieter
SV Fal-lera Sharki #135


Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> hat am 01.07.2021 12:15 geschrieben:


There isn't a photo attached to your message but I have recently changed this seacock on a Super Maramu. I am assuming that they are similar.

The actual through hull is was glassed into the hull. The seacock was then attached to the through hull and then a layer of fibre glass is wrapped around the point where the through hull and seacock meet.

In order to remove the seacock you first need to remove the fibre glass that was put on after the seacock was fitted. I carefully used a multi tool and a mini grinder. A you remove the glass you will see the part of the seacock where a wrench can be fitted. I cleared that area and then a few mm underneath that so that the seacock can be turned. I didn't have to remove all of the glass. Just enough to free the seacock. Then you just need to unscrew the seacock. Ours wasn't cemented in at all and came free quite easily.

I had wanted to replace the whole thing with a composite seacock and through hull.  The through hull however was in good condition and I felt that if I just replaced the seacock with a composite one I would not have been able to get the grounding wire satisfactorily attached to the through hull. As a result I went with another metal seacock and attached the grounding wire to that. I used thread cement so I didn't feel the need to re-glass the seacock and through hull together again.

I hope that helps.
Mark  
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Question for 50 & 55 owners about the bow thruster

Theo s/v Paloma
 

Another bow thruster picture at factory:


Re: Question for 50 & 55 owners about the bow thruster

Theo s/v Paloma
 

Bill,

I am not at the boat to check the fuse. The provided user manual is not specific to my boat. I visited the Amel factory several times, and I took the following picture of the bow thruster when it was prepped to be installed on my boat.

Theo
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18


Re: Amel 55 Standing Rigging replacement #replacement

 

Paul,

The last that I knew you were in the south of France, with plans to go to Sicily.

I recommend that you contact the original manufacturer of the standing rigging and the standing rigging supplier to Amel, ACMO. Contact Laetitia Boudon <Laetitia@...>. Be sure to tell her I gave you the contact information. In March 2020 ACMO's price for the 55 kit was about 13k euro plus VAT and Freight. The kit comes with all wire and all other pieces made to exact Amel specifications. This leaves little room for any rigger to make a mistake. I recommend that you ask for the optional stainless steel turnbuckles with bronze inserts rather than the chrome-plated bronze. 

I believe one of the best riggers in Europe is in Malta: Nicky Sammut <nickysail@...>. Be sure to tell Nicky that I gave you his contact information. Nicky can do this job at the Manoel Island Yacht Yard, or he will travel to your location to install the rigging and it is best if you assist him as the person on the deck while he is in the rigging.

I hope this helps you. Please contact me anytime for more information.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 6:57 PM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hello, my name is Paul and I own an Amel 55 #17 (Fortuna II) Commissioned in February 2013.

According to Pantaenius Insurance the standing rigging will require replacement for insurance purposes by February 2023.

I am kindley seeking advise and guidance for how to replace the standing rigging, what products and manufacturer are most recommended and where I can arrange purchase of the required materials and items?

I have been a professional power line construction rigger for 40 years and a yacht owner and cruising sailor for 20 years. Although I have never replaced a standing rig on a yacht my self, I would like to attend to most of the require works under the assistance and guidance of a suitable and qualified yacht rigger local in Australia when the time arrives.

Thank you in advance for your kind assistance and input.

Regards, Paul - Fortuna II - Amel 55 #17


Re: Change seacock on a sharki

INUS - BUSCH
 

Mark,
don't know if the seacock lamination is the same on sharki, but I also assume yes. Will try as you described, I think it will come off without removing GRP. Attached is the foto. Thanks for your quick answer.
All the best
Dieter
SV Fal-lera Sharki #135


Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> hat am 01.07.2021 12:15 geschrieben:


There isn't a photo attached to your message but I have recently changed this seacock on a Super Maramu. I am assuming that they are similar.

The actual through hull is was glassed into the hull. The seacock was then attached to the through hull and then a layer of fibre glass is wrapped around the point where the through hull and seacock meet.

In order to remove the seacock you first need to remove the fibre glass that was put on after the seacock was fitted. I carefully used a multi tool and a mini grinder. A you remove the glass you will see the part of the seacock where a wrench can be fitted. I cleared that area and then a few mm underneath that so that the seacock can be turned. I didn't have to remove all of the glass. Just enough to free the seacock. Then you just need to unscrew the seacock. Ours wasn't cemented in at all and came free quite easily.

I had wanted to replace the whole thing with a composite seacock and through hull.  The through hull however was in good condition and I felt that if I just replaced the seacock with a composite one I would not have been able to get the grounding wire satisfactorily attached to the through hull. As a result I went with another metal seacock and attached the grounding wire to that. I used thread cement so I didn't feel the need to re-glass the seacock and through hull together again.

I hope that helps.
Mark  
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Change seacock on a sharki

Mark Barter
 

There isn't a photo attached to your message but I have recently changed this seacock on a Super Maramu. I am assuming that they are similar.

The actual through hull is was glassed into the hull. The seacock was then attached to the through hull and then a layer of fibre glass is wrapped around the point where the through hull and seacock meet.

In order to remove the seacock you first need to remove the fibre glass that was put on after the seacock was fitted. I carefully used a multi tool and a mini grinder. A you remove the glass you will see the part of the seacock where a wrench can be fitted. I cleared that area and then a few mm underneath that so that the seacock can be turned. I didn't have to remove all of the glass. Just enough to free the seacock. Then you just need to unscrew the seacock. Ours wasn't cemented in at all and came free quite easily.

I had wanted to replace the whole thing with a composite seacock and through hull.  The through hull however was in good condition and I felt that if I just replaced the seacock with a composite one I would not have been able to get the grounding wire satisfactorily attached to the through hull. As a result I went with another metal seacock and attached the grounding wire to that. I used thread cement so I didn't feel the need to re-glass the seacock and through hull together again.

I hope that helps.
Mark  
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Change seacock on a sharki

INUS - BUSCH
 

Dear forum,

on my Sharki the seacock of the toilet-out by the time has become harder and harder to open, now it is stuck in the closed position.
From the foto it seems possible to remove the whole valve by unscrewing it from the GRP reinforced shaft. Is this the right way? And is it possible without destroying the shaft? It would be great if somebody who has undertaken this job can give me an advice how to change this seacock.

All the best
Dieter
SV Fal-lera, Sharki #135


Re: Amel 55 Standing Rigging replacement #replacement

Alain Durante
 

Bonjour Paul,

 

If you are based in south of France, I will recommend a company called Russo Yachting in La Seyne sur Mer, I just replaced the rigging, electric furlers and also new paint on the mast and they did a very nice and professional job.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

 

Amel 54 – 21 / Meige

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Paul Brown via groups.io
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Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 55 Standing Rigging replacement #replacement

 

Hello, my name is Paul and I own an Amel 55 #17 (Fortuna II) Commissioned in February 2013.

According to Pantaenius Insurance the standing rigging will require replacement for insurance purposes by February 2023.

I am kindley seeking advise and guidance for how to replace the standing rigging, what products and manufacturer are most recommended and where I can arrange purchase of the required materials and items?

I have been a professional power line construction rigger for 40 years and a yacht owner and cruising sailor for 20 years. Although I have never replaced a standing rig on a yacht my self, I would like to attend to most of the require works under the assistance and guidance of a suitable and qualified yacht rigger local in Australia when the time arrives.

Thank you in advance for your kind assistance and input.

Regards, Paul - Fortuna II - Amel 55 #17

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