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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
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kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
Dear Stephan,
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I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome. Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail locker. It gets a little wet up there. I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa. The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled, Fair winds, Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.
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From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in heavy weather. Stephan ("Delos" SMM303) --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411web. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674∝=egroupweb&pos=HM> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
I forgot to ask-where are you located?
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Eric
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From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Dear Stephan, I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome. Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail locker. It gets a little wet up there. I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa. The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled, Fair winds, Eric SM 376 Kimberlite. -----Original Message----- From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in heavy weather. Stephan ("Delos" SMM303) --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411web. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674∝=egroupweb&pos=HM> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Stephan Regulinski
Eric,
I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269>
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Stephan Regulinski
Eric,
I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269>
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Philippe Guyot <baligand@...>
Hello Eric & Stephan,
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Very interesting discussion.Could Eric let me know what a foam luff is. I also added an UV protection to the genoa but it seems that the added weight make the luff vibrate a lot in 25 Knots + and inascapabily so when reefed. But I must admit this was already the case before only it took higher wind. No amount of fine tuning the sail has helped alleviate the problem. Have you experienced the same problem and found solutions. We are currently at Fort Lauderdale and will be headed for Central America and Panama. Philippe Guyot Baligand SM 245
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From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
Dear Philippe,
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The foam luff is simply that. The sailmaker sews foam into the luff of the sail. This allows the sail to be furled with a better shape. I had it done by Doyle Sailmakers. There is a Doyle loft in Ft. Lauderdale. Fair winds, Eric
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From: Philippe Guyot [mailto:baligand@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:56 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Hello Eric & Stephan, Very interesting discussion.Could Eric let me know what a foam luff is. I also added an UV protection to the genoa but it seems that the added weight make the luff vibrate a lot in 25 Knots + and inascapabily so when reefed. But I must admit this was already the case before only it took higher wind. No amount of fine tuning the sail has helped alleviate the problem. Have you experienced the same problem and found solutions. We are currently at Fort Lauderdale and will be headed for Central America and Panama. Philippe Guyot Baligand SM 245 ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cpv7rkk/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070614284/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=174657268> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Geoffrey Tyers <geoffrey_tyers@...>
While delivering my recently aquired Sharki from
Florida to Charleston the main sail, 50% reefed in a I35-40 kt squall was ripped and shredded. This came as a surprise as the Surveyor had prononced the sail to be in good condition. I mention this to restate the need for U.V. protection not only on the head sail but also on the leech of both the Main and Mizzen. Upon investigation it was determined that the wide throat in the mast allows the sun to weaken that part of the sail exposed and whilst the bulk of the sail is protected the leach is slowly being rotted away. In my case the leach ripped and the strong winds took over from this weakness. The bright side is I now have a wonderfull new main for less than 2 "boat units". They even installed the logo --- Philippe Guyot <baligand@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello Eric & Stephan,<http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D= egroupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674=egroupweb&pos=HM> === message truncated ===M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou
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kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
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Thanks for the note. A friend of mine on another Amel was thinking pf ordering shorter poles just to prevent them from dipping. My boat is currently in St Thomas. I have been toying with the idea of a trip around the horn, but I have to do my homework first. I found that a gennaker was very handy sail for the trade winds. The wind comes from a direction that does not lend itself to using the pole setup. We had our gennaker up for 6 or 7 days while crossing the Atlantic both day and night. We had an atn sock on it and it allowed us to douse the sail quickly if needed. We use that sail a lot. It is big enough to pull the boat without any other sails up. It is made of 1 ½-ounce material and can be flown up to 25 knots apparent. Fair winds, Eric
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From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:05 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c9fmluk/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070528680/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=605222758> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Stephan,
interesting to read that you too get wet sails when stowed up front. When I arrived in Greenland after a lively crossing from Ireland, I found several inches of water in the forward lockers. I just do not believe that those thin walled seals that crush too easily and which have folds in the corners are man enough for the job. They may keep the rain out, but when the bow buries itself into a wave, they just cannot cope. I have removed the bung in the port side locker to minimize the problem, though this will comprise flotation, though with the seals as they are, I wonder how much real buoyancy there would be if the bow was submerged? I have emailed Amel and suggested that a firmer molded seal is needed on the bow lockers, and the safety locker too, but so far, no response. If anyone has found a solution to this problem, then please let us know. Fortunately, the colours on the new ballooner and staysail do not seem to run when wet like they did with the previous boat. Putting a grate in each locker would at least keep the stowed items out of the water that sloshes about. Ian Shepherd SM 2000 # 414 "Crusader"
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Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Again,
I always keep the poles rigged when under way. You are right, they do offer a lot of security when folded. When single handed, you just cannot go overboard, and they bridge the gap between the fore guy and the dodger hand hold very well. I too had a pole fold in mid Atlantic on the previous boat. It did not damage the rub rail, but it did break the rivets. Luckily I did have spare large rivets and a gun that would form them, and I was able to make repairs very quickly. Had I not, it would have made a grim crossing. Another point to consider is the sideways load on the mast when a single pole is deployed. In can be considerable, particularly in gusts or when the pole strikes the water. It might be prudent to rig both poles to offset the sideways load for peace of mind. Unfortunately, the genoa sheets as supplied by Amel are too short to do this unless you furl the headsail a bit. I replaced my sheets with a longer set (158-160 feet long if I remember correctly. 10 ft more per side). This will enable both poles to be deployed at the same time. It also makes gybing down a zig zag course very straight forward! The idea of using the forward cleat to reduce fore guy stretch is interesting. I must try that. Thanks for the tip. Ian Shepherd "Crusader"
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kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
Dear Ian,
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How do you rig the poles when they are not deployed. what do you do besides using the hook on the end of the pole? Fair winds, Eric SM 376 kimberlite
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From: Ian Shepherd [mailto:g4ljf@compuserve.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:30 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Hi Again, I always keep the poles rigged when under way. You are right, they do offer a lot of security when folded. When single handed, you just cannot go overboard, and they bridge the gap between the fore guy and the dodger hand hold very well. I too had a pole fold in mid Atlantic on the previous boat. It did not damage the rub rail, but it did break the rivets. Luckily I did have spare large rivets and a gun that would form them, and I was able to make repairs very quickly. Had I not, it would have made a grim crossing. Another point to consider is the sideways load on the mast when a single pole is deployed. In can be considerable, particularly in gusts or when the pole strikes the water. It might be prudent to rig both poles to offset the sideways load for peace of mind. Unfortunately, the genoa sheets as supplied by Amel are too short to do this unless you furl the headsail a bit. I replaced my sheets with a longer set (158-160 feet long if I remember correctly. 10 ft more per side). This will enable both poles to be deployed at the same time. It also makes gybing down a zig zag course very straight forward! The idea of using the forward cleat to reduce fore guy stretch is interesting. I must try that. Thanks for the tip. Ian Shepherd "Crusader" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c04pie8/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070832810/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=372566928> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
Dear Ben,
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Thank you very much for the info. How was the solent stay rigged. What did you attach it to and how did you strengthen the deck and below deck fittings? Did you install running backstays? Thanks A lot. Fair winds, Eric
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From: resolute56s [mailto:bwestley@u.washington.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:16 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Hi, new to the forum... My father, brother and myself sailed our 1983 Maramu Resolute from Alaska to Cape Horn and back in 1998-2000. Our website is www.paonline.com/resolute For heavy weather we had a removable solent stay about 3 feet aft of the forestay that we flew either a 70% working jib or storm jib depending on wind strength. This jib sheets to the main genoa track, which we had added a second car to on each side. We felt an atn gale sail would be ok for the tropics but insufficient for the southern ocean, and on the passage from tahiti to chile were very glad for the hanked jibs. Our maramu did great downwind with just the working jib or storm jib in a gale. We never sailed upwind in over 35 knots of wind, but would probably go with the working jib and mizzen, then reef the mizzen, then go to storm jib and mizzen if really hard pressed. By the way, we rounded the horn on jan 4, 2000. 2 weeks later an italian sharki rounded, and about 3 weeks later a swedish super maramu rounded. At least 1 amel has been to the antarctic. Lots of amels down there!! Ben Westley PS Our boat is former excalibur, owned by roy benveniste. I know he used to frequent this site. --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cim3jao/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1071276487/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=367253665> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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