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Jochen Hofmann <jochen@...>
Hi fellow Amel sailors.
Is there really no one among us all who has a suggestion how to solve my problem (posted a question re subject about a week ago) ? Fair winds, Jochen
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Jose_Luis Isasi <jose.luis.isasi@...>
Hi Johen,
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Hereby I paste an answer from one of our mates to my questions. I cannot offer my experience because I still have not applied this knowledge. Regards Jose_Luis I include my conversation with Joachim for the benefit of all. Hello Jose_Luis, regarding the deck there are different ideas to consider. My final decision was: I am going to put the anti-slip material treadmaster (http://www.tiflex.co.uk/marine/marine.html) on the side walks but not on the cabin roofs. This was mainly due to optical reasons. The website has also a spanish version. The pictures are taken from KIRK # 233 which is owned by my best friend. He put the treadmaster on in 1989. Pictures where taken this year. I did grind the original anti slip approximately 2/3 down. These areas will be painted and an anti slip additive ( sand ! ) will be added to the first layer of 2 component paint. The 2nd layer of paint will partly cover the sand, that takes out the "bite of the sand" when you sit on it.. On www.yachtpaint.com you will find a lot of information probably also in Spanish. VC 17 is a antifouling paint which creates a very thin layer of paint and dries in a very short time. I completed the first sanding with 60 grid last wekend and will do a final sanding with 180 grid to all the original anti slip areas. The other areas wil get a final sanding with 320 grid. Right now the temperatures are on their way down in northern Germany so it will take probably another 4 weeks before we get proper outside conditions. In case you have any question please let me - or the forum- know. I own own my KIRK now for 2 years but my best friend owns # 233 now for 18 years so we have a pretty good knowledge about the older AMEL boats. Next whe will have to replace the old wall coverings hanging down from the roof also a favorite AMEL item for a replacement. Enjoy your new boat, the boats might not be good looking but usability is very high. Best regards from Hamburg Joachim
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From: Isasi Jose Luis-LJI004 To: "Hans-Joachim Schröder" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: hull sanding Hello Joachim, Thank you for your prompt answer, I was afraid you were not using anymore this email address. I am glad you are starting with the deck, because I will have to do it as well sooner or later. I was wondering how to paint the deck without killing the antislip. Could you elaborate on how are you going to do it? I am not familiar with terms like treadmaster and 2k paint, or VC 17 products. I will check the web link you mention. This my first owned boat and I think I have a lot to learn. Vielen Dank Jose_Luis -----Original Message----- From: "Hans-Joachim Schröder" [mailto:achimschro@web.de] Sent: sábado, 02 de abril de 2005 10:48 To: Isasi Jose Luis-LJI004 Subject: FW: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: hull sanding "Hans-Joachim Schröder" <achimschro@web.de> schrieb am 02.04.05 10:43:43: Hello Jose_Luis, congratulations to the new Amel boat. I hope you will enjoy it as much we do enjoy the smaller version KIRK # 81 built in 1972. Welcome to the forum for amel owners. Sorry for writing in German. . Because I thought this message was for a german owner I referred to German products. Those are available in Spain check www.festool.es. I did a complete renovation of a boat which had osmosis . For sanding down the hull I used a FESTO ROTEX sander which a very professional tool and fortunately comparatively heavy. In the last I had to sand down the underwater area of my Kirk I used 40 grid sandpaper and the rotating mode of the machine. I removed the complete gelcoat and checked the laminate. I should be almost free of "White Llines" this is where the old polyester doesn't stick to the glass mat and is therefore o good start for osmosis in the future. I my posting i stated that for sanding the bottom you might need good sanding paper with 120, 180 and 240 for the finish. We have a very smooth bottom area where we use VC 17 products. This is because we do some club racing and are succesfull with this "old ship". For the deck area you can start with 120 grid and then 240 and 320. Please keep in mind that preparation incl. sanding, fairing and stripping off the equipment will take almost 90 % of the total time. But after that you should be save for another 15 years. This year I am renovating the deck area. Because this is the first time after 33 years. This needs a lot of sanding of the antislip deck areas. I am planning to cover the walking areas with treadmaster and paint the upper deck areas with 2k paint. But this willtake another month because I live in northern Germany where the current outside temparature is now at 6 degrees with a chance of frost overnight. If you need any further information please do not hesitate to contact me. Your German is by far better than my non-exisiting spanish. Good luck and fair winds Joachim --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jose_Luis Isasi" <jose.luis.isasi@m...> wrote: raten. oberhalbUnterwasserschiff dernachWasserlinie jeweils 15 Scheiben ausreichen müßten. Für den Qualitätsvorstellung. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~- -> Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks & Giving.' http://us.click.yahoo.com/6iY7fA/5WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/A1TolB/TM -------------------------------------------------------------------- ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links
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minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
Regarding the 'Treadmaster' product. If this is laid down with an
adhesive, how well does this work on the faux teak decks of SM's that have the dark lines slightly below the 'Teak'? Will this lead to bad adhesion or wavy surface? I am not considering this yet but maybe in the future. Bob -- - In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jose_Luis Isasi" <jose.luis.isasi@m...> wrote: Hi Johen,final decision was:The website has also a spanish version.this year.lot of information probably also in Spanish. VC 17 is a antifoulinga final sanding with 180 grid to all the original anti slip areas.The other areas wil get a final sanding with 320 grid. Right now theI own own my KIRK now for 2 years but my best friend owns # 233 nowAMEL boats.do it as well sooner or later.17 products. I will check the web link you mention.I had to sand down the underwater area of my Kirk I used 40 gridbecause we do some club racing and are succesfull with this "old ship".For the deck area you can start with 120 grid and then 240 and 320.time. But after that you should be save for another 15 years.the current outside temparature is now at 6 degrees with a chance ofso geschliffen.gut.raten. nehmen. derZumabschleifen etwa 120 er für den Zwischenschliff 180er und zumFinish240er. Die Vorbereitungen für die Lackierung werden rd. 80% ~-oberhalbGesamtzeit betragen. Ich würde meinen, das für den RumpfdernachWasserlinie jeweils 15 Scheiben ausreichen müßten. Für den -> Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's- ~->
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rbenven44 <no_reply@...>
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jochen Hofmann"
<jochen@j...> wrote: Hi fellow Amel sailors.solve my problem (posted a question re subject about a week ago) ?Hi Jochen, There have been a couple of postings in the past on re-painting the brown stripes on Amel decks. The process would also apply to the white stripes that were used on a few boats in the '80s. Look up a posting by Harmonie, they did a beautiful job. I'm going to try that approach next fall. I have the "Striper" tool and the paint, all I need is time (about 9 - 10 days, 4 hours a day, I'm told), in a nice quiet anchorage or cheap marina. Hope you find the posting (I remember it was about 2 years ago...) Regards, Roy
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