[Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications


kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

What model and year Amel do You have?

My Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite is deck stepped and does not require
what is referred to as a Bermuda bolt.

Also on the Amel Super Maramu there are numerous reasons that the boat does
not qualify for ORC1.

For example no trysail track and no quick way to add a storm jib. The stern
rail is made of rope and not a continuous metal wire, the center post on the
stern rail is not permanently fixed. including a way to rig an emergency
rudder. You need lock downs for all hatches, the water tank can not be one
tank. I once made a list of orc1 reasons that the boat does not qualify. I
forgot most of the things that I would have to do and ignored them.

I think I found over 30 scrutineering errors. However , having my last boat
certified orc1, I would put the Amel against it any day.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications





Has anyone entered a ISAF Category 1 race with an Amel? There are some rules
to which Amel may or may not be built. For example, there is an OSR 3.12
that states "The heel of a keel stepped mast shall be securely fastened to
the mast step or adjoining structure" which could mean I need a bolt through
the mast base. If anyone entered Category 1 race before, quick list of
things you added/modified would be priceless.

"Victoria"


Mr D
 

Eric, sounds like you mentioned some of the same issues I had on my Sharki as far as Category 1 requirements. I would love to hear back if you remember any other items. How do you know your boat does not require Bermuda bolt? When is it required? I solved the rest of the issues you mentioned with the following:

1. Trisail - I got ATN gail sail that has a sleeve and can be raised over the furled genoa (easy)
2. Stern rope - changed with a wire rope kit (easy)
3. I added a Autohelm windwane that uses auxiliary rudder with a trim tab (harder)
4. I replaced all hatches with newer lockdown Vetus model instead of Goiot (hard but there is an easy way: drill a pin through Goiot that can be released from inside or outside)
5. I added laughingly small water tank in the main water tank compartment (easy as the requirement does not specify the size of tanks)

Thanks for the update and if you can think of anything else, please be sure to let me know,

Dmitry

"Victoria"

--- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

What model and year Amel do You have?

My Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite is deck stepped and does not require
what is referred to as a Bermuda bolt.

Also on the Amel Super Maramu there are numerous reasons that the boat does
not qualify for ORC1.

For example no trysail track and no quick way to add a storm jib. The stern
rail is made of rope and not a continuous metal wire, the center post on the
stern rail is not permanently fixed. including a way to rig an emergency
rudder. You need lock downs for all hatches, the water tank can not be one
tank. I once made a list of orc1 reasons that the boat does not qualify. I
forgot most of the things that I would have to do and ignored them.

I think I found over 30 scrutineering errors. However , having my last boat
certified orc1, I would put the Amel against it any day.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications





Has anyone entered a ISAF Category 1 race with an Amel? There are some rules
to which Amel may or may not be built. For example, there is an OSR 3.12
that states "The heel of a keel stepped mast shall be securely fastened to
the mast step or adjoining structure" which could mean I need a bolt through
the mast base. If anyone entered Category 1 race before, quick list of
things you added/modified would be priceless.

"Victoria"





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Dmitry,

Do you have a deck stepped mast on a Super Maramu?

Or some other Amel with a keel stepped mast?

If your boat is deck stepped then you do not need the bolt. The purpose of
the bolt is to prevent the portion of the mast below decks from flying
around and breaking the boat or killing someone when the boat is dismasted.





I have the ATN sail on Kimberlite. When it is time to use it, it is too
late. The other problem is if you use the extra spinnaker halyard to raise
the ATN sail it will chafe through quickly in a storm because the halyard
rubs on the Genoa. . I converted my ballooner halyard, using vectran to
provide a second jib halyard. However you have to be motivated to launch the
ATN sail. I also store it in the port cockpit locker as the sail lockers are
dangerous in a blow.

You mention the ATN as a storm trysail. It is a storm jib. You still need a
storm trysail mounted on the main mast.



I had a very heavy 110 working jib made for offshore. It will sail in 55-60
knots .

I use it on all passages. You will not win any races with this sail in light
wind.



I also swear by the Jordan series drogue. I have deployed it twice. Once in
a severe storm 300 miles south of Bermuda on a 37 foot boat. Last year I got
caught in hurricane force winds for 39 hours (Herb the weatherman told us to
prepare for survival conditions). 70-96+ knots. There were 5 boats between
Bermuda and New York. 3 sank, I death, , Sir Richard Branson's 90 footer
got badly damaged and we suffered no damage. Many times we were up to our
armpits in seawater in the cockpit, but for your info it drains in less
than 30 seconds. We also had the cockpit totally enclosed stern facing the
wind and it did not blow out or tear.

We had to modify the tabs holding down the "doghouse) but otherwise no
problems.





How did you permanently fasten the center stanchion on the stern?



Where did you mount the below decks bilge pump?



I am sorry but I do not understand what you did with the autohelm and an
emergency ruder.



What did you do with the companionway so the hatch could be opened from both
sides with the hatch locked?





Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications





Eric, sounds like you mentioned some of the same issues I had on my Sharki
as far as Category 1 requirements. I would love to hear back if you remember
any other items. How do you know your boat does not require Bermuda bolt?
When is it required? I solved the rest of the issues you mentioned with the
following:

1. Trisail - I got ATN gail sail that has a sleeve and can be raised over
the furled genoa (easy)
2. Stern rope - changed with a wire rope kit (easy)
3. I added a Autohelm windwane that uses auxiliary rudder with a trim tab
(harder)
4. I replaced all hatches with newer lockdown Vetus model instead of Goiot
(hard but there is an easy way: drill a pin through Goiot that can be
released from inside or outside)
5. I added laughingly small water tank in the main water tank compartment
(easy as the requirement does not specify the size of tanks)

Thanks for the update and if you can think of anything else, please be sure
to let me know,

Dmitry

"Victoria"

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

What model and year Amel do You have?

My Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite is deck stepped and does not require
what is referred to as a Bermuda bolt.

Also on the Amel Super Maramu there are numerous reasons that the boat
does
not qualify for ORC1.

For example no trysail track and no quick way to add a storm jib. The
stern
rail is made of rope and not a continuous metal wire, the center post on
the
stern rail is not permanently fixed. including a way to rig an emergency
rudder. You need lock downs for all hatches, the water tank can not be one
tank. I once made a list of orc1 reasons that the boat does not qualify. I
forgot most of the things that I would have to do and ignored them.

I think I found over 30 scrutineering errors. However , having my last
boat
certified orc1, I would put the Amel against it any day.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications





Has anyone entered a ISAF Category 1 race with an Amel? There are some
rules
to which Amel may or may not be built. For example, there is an OSR 3.12
that states "The heel of a keel stepped mast shall be securely fastened to
the mast step or adjoining structure" which could mean I need a bolt
through
the mast base. If anyone entered Category 1 race before, quick list of
things you added/modified would be priceless.

"Victoria"







Mr D
 

Eric,

Thanks for the reply. I totally got the idea behind the keel-stepped mast issue. My boat is deck-stepped so that makes sense now - Thank You! ATN sail is the last resort but thats about all I can do short of some serious rigging adjustments. I do see how its not perfect, though, but nothing ever is. I think my NOR race deleted trysail requirement, but I will double check. I still need to get a drogue - I need something easy to set and take back - I could not find any easy solutions yet. I took the middle stanchion off completely and rigged two wires over the entire opening with a clip at the end. The bilge pump is mounted right next to the stair and discharges into an added thruhull - it was that way when I got the boat. The autohelm is a two unit system - upper unit is a windvane and a lower unit is a rudder that attaches to stern. I got the Vetus hatches that have handles that open/close from both sides. On goits you can drill in a pin that can be pushed in from outside and pushed out from inside. Thanks again for all the help,

Dmitry

--- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Dmitry,

Do you have a deck stepped mast on a Super Maramu?

Or some other Amel with a keel stepped mast?

If your boat is deck stepped then you do not need the bolt. The purpose of
the bolt is to prevent the portion of the mast below decks from flying
around and breaking the boat or killing someone when the boat is dismasted.





I have the ATN sail on Kimberlite. When it is time to use it, it is too
late. The other problem is if you use the extra spinnaker halyard to raise
the ATN sail it will chafe through quickly in a storm because the halyard
rubs on the Genoa. . I converted my ballooner halyard, using vectran to
provide a second jib halyard. However you have to be motivated to launch the
ATN sail. I also store it in the port cockpit locker as the sail lockers are
dangerous in a blow.

You mention the ATN as a storm trysail. It is a storm jib. You still need a
storm trysail mounted on the main mast.



I had a very heavy 110 working jib made for offshore. It will sail in 55-60
knots .

I use it on all passages. You will not win any races with this sail in light
wind.



I also swear by the Jordan series drogue. I have deployed it twice. Once in
a severe storm 300 miles south of Bermuda on a 37 foot boat. Last year I got
caught in hurricane force winds for 39 hours (Herb the weatherman told us to
prepare for survival conditions). 70-96+ knots. There were 5 boats between
Bermuda and New York. 3 sank, I death, , Sir Richard Branson's 90 footer
got badly damaged and we suffered no damage. Many times we were up to our
armpits in seawater in the cockpit, but for your info it drains in less
than 30 seconds. We also had the cockpit totally enclosed stern facing the
wind and it did not blow out or tear.

We had to modify the tabs holding down the "doghouse) but otherwise no
problems.





How did you permanently fasten the center stanchion on the stern?



Where did you mount the below decks bilge pump?



I am sorry but I do not understand what you did with the autohelm and an
emergency ruder.



What did you do with the companionway so the hatch could be opened from both
sides with the hatch locked?





Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications





Eric, sounds like you mentioned some of the same issues I had on my Sharki
as far as Category 1 requirements. I would love to hear back if you remember
any other items. How do you know your boat does not require Bermuda bolt?
When is it required? I solved the rest of the issues you mentioned with the
following:

1. Trisail - I got ATN gail sail that has a sleeve and can be raised over
the furled genoa (easy)
2. Stern rope - changed with a wire rope kit (easy)
3. I added a Autohelm windwane that uses auxiliary rudder with a trim tab
(harder)
4. I replaced all hatches with newer lockdown Vetus model instead of Goiot
(hard but there is an easy way: drill a pin through Goiot that can be
released from inside or outside)
5. I added laughingly small water tank in the main water tank compartment
(easy as the requirement does not specify the size of tanks)

Thanks for the update and if you can think of anything else, please be sure
to let me know,

Dmitry

"Victoria"

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@> wrote:

What model and year Amel do You have?

My Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite is deck stepped and does not require
what is referred to as a Bermuda bolt.

Also on the Amel Super Maramu there are numerous reasons that the boat
does
not qualify for ORC1.

For example no trysail track and no quick way to add a storm jib. The
stern
rail is made of rope and not a continuous metal wire, the center post on
the
stern rail is not permanently fixed. including a way to rig an emergency
rudder. You need lock downs for all hatches, the water tank can not be one
tank. I once made a list of orc1 reasons that the boat does not qualify. I
forgot most of the things that I would have to do and ignored them.

I think I found over 30 scrutineering errors. However , having my last
boat
certified orc1, I would put the Amel against it any day.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications





Has anyone entered a ISAF Category 1 race with an Amel? There are some
rules
to which Amel may or may not be built. For example, there is an OSR 3.12
that states "The heel of a keel stepped mast shall be securely fastened to
the mast step or adjoining structure" which could mean I need a bolt
through
the mast base. If anyone entered Category 1 race before, quick list of
things you added/modified would be priceless.

"Victoria"





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Dave_Benjamin
 

Eric,

I agree with you on all points however an ATN Gale Sail will meet the ORC Cat 1 requirement for a storm. Although inadvisable a storm jib can be made with luff tape and grommets to allow for it to be lashed to the foil extrusion. However you would need to remove the genoa prior to doing all that.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

What model and year Amel do You have?

My Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite is deck stepped and does not require
what is referred to as a Bermuda bolt.

Also on the Amel Super Maramu there are numerous reasons that the boat does
not qualify for ORC1.

For example no trysail track and no quick way to add a storm jib. The stern
rail is made of rope and not a continuous metal wire, the center post on the
stern rail is not permanently fixed. including a way to rig an emergency
rudder. You need lock downs for all hatches, the water tank can not be one
tank. I once made a list of orc1 reasons that the boat does not qualify. I
forgot most of the things that I would have to do and ignored them.

I think I found over 30 scrutineering errors. However , having my last boat
certified orc1, I would put the Amel against it any day.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications





Has anyone entered a ISAF Category 1 race with an Amel? There are some rules
to which Amel may or may not be built. For example, there is an OSR 3.12
that states "The heel of a keel stepped mast shall be securely fastened to
the mast step or adjoining structure" which could mean I need a bolt through
the mast base. If anyone entered Category 1 race before, quick list of
things you added/modified would be priceless.

"Victoria"





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Ps

We retrieved the drogue in about 12 minutes using the main winch.



Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications






Eric,

Thanks for the reply. I totally got the idea behind the keel-stepped mast
issue. My boat is deck-stepped so that makes sense now - Thank You! ATN sail
is the last resort but thats about all I can do short of some serious
rigging adjustments. I do see how its not perfect, though, but nothing ever
is. I think my NOR race deleted trysail requirement, but I will double
check. I still need to get a drogue - I need something easy to set and take
back - I could not find any easy solutions yet. I took the middle stanchion
off completely and rigged two wires over the entire opening with a clip at
the end. The bilge pump is mounted right next to the stair and discharges
into an added thruhull - it was that way when I got the boat. The autohelm
is a two unit system - upper unit is a windvane and a lower unit is a rudder
that attaches to stern. I got the Vetus hatches that have handles that
open/close from both sides. On goits you can drill in a pin that can be
pushed in from outside and pushed out from inside. Thanks again for all the
help,

Dmitry

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Dmitry,

Do you have a deck stepped mast on a Super Maramu?

Or some other Amel with a keel stepped mast?

If your boat is deck stepped then you do not need the bolt. The purpose of
the bolt is to prevent the portion of the mast below decks from flying
around and breaking the boat or killing someone when the boat is
dismasted.





I have the ATN sail on Kimberlite. When it is time to use it, it is too
late. The other problem is if you use the extra spinnaker halyard to raise
the ATN sail it will chafe through quickly in a storm because the halyard
rubs on the Genoa. . I converted my ballooner halyard, using vectran to
provide a second jib halyard. However you have to be motivated to launch
the
ATN sail. I also store it in the port cockpit locker as the sail lockers
are
dangerous in a blow.

You mention the ATN as a storm trysail. It is a storm jib. You still need
a
storm trysail mounted on the main mast.



I had a very heavy 110 working jib made for offshore. It will sail in
55-60
knots .

I use it on all passages. You will not win any races with this sail in
light
wind.



I also swear by the Jordan series drogue. I have deployed it twice. Once
in
a severe storm 300 miles south of Bermuda on a 37 foot boat. Last year I
got
caught in hurricane force winds for 39 hours (Herb the weatherman told us
to
prepare for survival conditions). 70-96+ knots. There were 5 boats between
Bermuda and New York. 3 sank, I death, , Sir Richard Branson's 90 footer
got badly damaged and we suffered no damage. Many times we were up to our
armpits in seawater in the cockpit, but for your info it drains in less
than 30 seconds. We also had the cockpit totally enclosed stern facing the
wind and it did not blow out or tear.

We had to modify the tabs holding down the "doghouse) but otherwise no
problems.





How did you permanently fasten the center stanchion on the stern?



Where did you mount the below decks bilge pump?



I am sorry but I do not understand what you did with the autohelm and an
emergency ruder.



What did you do with the companionway so the hatch could be opened from
both
sides with the hatch locked?





Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications





Eric, sounds like you mentioned some of the same issues I had on my Sharki
as far as Category 1 requirements. I would love to hear back if you
remember
any other items. How do you know your boat does not require Bermuda bolt?
When is it required? I solved the rest of the issues you mentioned with
the
following:

1. Trisail - I got ATN gail sail that has a sleeve and can be raised over
the furled genoa (easy)
2. Stern rope - changed with a wire rope kit (easy)
3. I added a Autohelm windwane that uses auxiliary rudder with a trim tab
(harder)
4. I replaced all hatches with newer lockdown Vetus model instead of Goiot
(hard but there is an easy way: drill a pin through Goiot that can be
released from inside or outside)
5. I added laughingly small water tank in the main water tank compartment
(easy as the requirement does not specify the size of tanks)

Thanks for the update and if you can think of anything else, please be
sure
to let me know,

Dmitry

"Victoria"

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@> wrote:

What model and year Amel do You have?

My Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite is deck stepped and does not
require
what is referred to as a Bermuda bolt.

Also on the Amel Super Maramu there are numerous reasons that the boat
does
not qualify for ORC1.

For example no trysail track and no quick way to add a storm jib. The
stern
rail is made of rope and not a continuous metal wire, the center post on
the
stern rail is not permanently fixed. including a way to rig an emergency
rudder. You need lock downs for all hatches, the water tank can not be
one
tank. I once made a list of orc1 reasons that the boat does not qualify.
I
forgot most of the things that I would have to do and ignored them.

I think I found over 30 scrutineering errors. However , having my last
boat
certified orc1, I would put the Amel against it any day.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dshkipin
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications





Has anyone entered a ISAF Category 1 race with an Amel? There are some
rules
to which Amel may or may not be built. For example, there is an OSR 3.12
that states "The heel of a keel stepped mast shall be securely fastened
to
the mast step or adjoining structure" which could mean I need a bolt
through
the mast base. If anyone entered Category 1 race before, quick list of
things you added/modified would be priceless.

"Victoria"