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[Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications
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kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
What model and year Amel do You have?
My Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite is deck stepped and does not require what is referred to as a Bermuda bolt. Also on the Amel Super Maramu there are numerous reasons that the boat does not qualify for ORC1. For example no trysail track and no quick way to add a storm jib. The stern rail is made of rope and not a continuous metal wire, the center post on the stern rail is not permanently fixed. including a way to rig an emergency rudder. You need lock downs for all hatches, the water tank can not be one tank. I once made a list of orc1 reasons that the boat does not qualify. I forgot most of the things that I would have to do and ignored them. I think I found over 30 scrutineering errors. However , having my last boat certified orc1, I would put the Amel against it any day. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of dshkipin Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:31 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications Has anyone entered a ISAF Category 1 race with an Amel? There are some rules to which Amel may or may not be built. For example, there is an OSR 3.12 that states "The heel of a keel stepped mast shall be securely fastened to the mast step or adjoining structure" which could mean I need a bolt through the mast base. If anyone entered Category 1 race before, quick list of things you added/modified would be priceless. "Victoria"
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Mr D
Eric, sounds like you mentioned some of the same issues I had on my Sharki as far as Category 1 requirements. I would love to hear back if you remember any other items. How do you know your boat does not require Bermuda bolt? When is it required? I solved the rest of the issues you mentioned with the following:
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1. Trisail - I got ATN gail sail that has a sleeve and can be raised over the furled genoa (easy) 2. Stern rope - changed with a wire rope kit (easy) 3. I added a Autohelm windwane that uses auxiliary rudder with a trim tab (harder) 4. I replaced all hatches with newer lockdown Vetus model instead of Goiot (hard but there is an easy way: drill a pin through Goiot that can be released from inside or outside) 5. I added laughingly small water tank in the main water tank compartment (easy as the requirement does not specify the size of tanks) Thanks for the update and if you can think of anything else, please be sure to let me know, Dmitry "Victoria"
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kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Dmitry,
Do you have a deck stepped mast on a Super Maramu? Or some other Amel with a keel stepped mast? If your boat is deck stepped then you do not need the bolt. The purpose of the bolt is to prevent the portion of the mast below decks from flying around and breaking the boat or killing someone when the boat is dismasted. I have the ATN sail on Kimberlite. When it is time to use it, it is too late. The other problem is if you use the extra spinnaker halyard to raise the ATN sail it will chafe through quickly in a storm because the halyard rubs on the Genoa. . I converted my ballooner halyard, using vectran to provide a second jib halyard. However you have to be motivated to launch the ATN sail. I also store it in the port cockpit locker as the sail lockers are dangerous in a blow. You mention the ATN as a storm trysail. It is a storm jib. You still need a storm trysail mounted on the main mast. I had a very heavy 110 working jib made for offshore. It will sail in 55-60 knots . I use it on all passages. You will not win any races with this sail in light wind. I also swear by the Jordan series drogue. I have deployed it twice. Once in a severe storm 300 miles south of Bermuda on a 37 foot boat. Last year I got caught in hurricane force winds for 39 hours (Herb the weatherman told us to prepare for survival conditions). 70-96+ knots. There were 5 boats between Bermuda and New York. 3 sank, I death, , Sir Richard Branson's 90 footer got badly damaged and we suffered no damage. Many times we were up to our armpits in seawater in the cockpit, but for your info it drains in less than 30 seconds. We also had the cockpit totally enclosed stern facing the wind and it did not blow out or tear. We had to modify the tabs holding down the "doghouse) but otherwise no problems. How did you permanently fasten the center stanchion on the stern? Where did you mount the below decks bilge pump? I am sorry but I do not understand what you did with the autohelm and an emergency ruder. What did you do with the companionway so the hatch could be opened from both sides with the hatch locked? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of dshkipin Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:46 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications Eric, sounds like you mentioned some of the same issues I had on my Sharki as far as Category 1 requirements. I would love to hear back if you remember any other items. How do you know your boat does not require Bermuda bolt? When is it required? I solved the rest of the issues you mentioned with the following: 1. Trisail - I got ATN gail sail that has a sleeve and can be raised over the furled genoa (easy) 2. Stern rope - changed with a wire rope kit (easy) 3. I added a Autohelm windwane that uses auxiliary rudder with a trim tab (harder) 4. I replaced all hatches with newer lockdown Vetus model instead of Goiot (hard but there is an easy way: drill a pin through Goiot that can be released from inside or outside) 5. I added laughingly small water tank in the main water tank compartment (easy as the requirement does not specify the size of tanks) Thanks for the update and if you can think of anything else, please be sure to let me know, Dmitry "Victoria" --- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote: does not qualify for ORC1.stern rail is made of rope and not a continuous metal wire, the center post onthe stern rail is not permanently fixed. including a way to rig an emergencyboat certified orc1, I would put the Amel against it any day.yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dshkipin Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:31 PMyahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modificationsrules to which Amel may or may not be built. For example, there is an OSR 3.12through the mast base. If anyone entered Category 1 race before, quick list of
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Mr D
Eric,
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Thanks for the reply. I totally got the idea behind the keel-stepped mast issue. My boat is deck-stepped so that makes sense now - Thank You! ATN sail is the last resort but thats about all I can do short of some serious rigging adjustments. I do see how its not perfect, though, but nothing ever is. I think my NOR race deleted trysail requirement, but I will double check. I still need to get a drogue - I need something easy to set and take back - I could not find any easy solutions yet. I took the middle stanchion off completely and rigged two wires over the entire opening with a clip at the end. The bilge pump is mounted right next to the stair and discharges into an added thruhull - it was that way when I got the boat. The autohelm is a two unit system - upper unit is a windvane and a lower unit is a rudder that attaches to stern. I got the Vetus hatches that have handles that open/close from both sides. On goits you can drill in a pin that can be pushed in from outside and pushed out from inside. Thanks again for all the help, Dmitry
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Dave_Benjamin
Eric,
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I agree with you on all points however an ATN Gale Sail will meet the ORC Cat 1 requirement for a storm. Although inadvisable a storm jib can be made with luff tape and grommets to allow for it to be lashed to the foil extrusion. However you would need to remove the genoa prior to doing all that.
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kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
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We retrieved the drogue in about 12 minutes using the main winch. Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of dshkipin Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:40 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modifications Eric, Thanks for the reply. I totally got the idea behind the keel-stepped mast issue. My boat is deck-stepped so that makes sense now - Thank You! ATN sail is the last resort but thats about all I can do short of some serious rigging adjustments. I do see how its not perfect, though, but nothing ever is. I think my NOR race deleted trysail requirement, but I will double check. I still need to get a drogue - I need something easy to set and take back - I could not find any easy solutions yet. I took the middle stanchion off completely and rigged two wires over the entire opening with a clip at the end. The bilge pump is mounted right next to the stair and discharges into an added thruhull - it was that way when I got the boat. The autohelm is a two unit system - upper unit is a windvane and a lower unit is a rudder that attaches to stern. I got the Vetus hatches that have handles that open/close from both sides. On goits you can drill in a pin that can be pushed in from outside and pushed out from inside. Thanks again for all the help, Dmitry --- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote: dismasted. the ATN sail. I also store it in the port cockpit locker as the sail lockersare dangerous in a blow.a storm trysail mounted on the main mast.55-60 knots .light wind.in a severe storm 300 miles south of Bermuda on a 37 foot boat. Last year Igot caught in hurricane force winds for 39 hours (Herb the weatherman told usto prepare for survival conditions). 70-96+ knots. There were 5 boats betweenboth sides with the hatch locked?yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dshkipin Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:46 PMyahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel] ISAF Category 1 modificationsremember any other items. How do you know your boat does not require Bermuda bolt?the following:sure to let me know,require onewhat is referred to as a Bermuda bolt.does Itank. I once made a list of orc1 reasons that the boat does not qualify. toforgot most of the things that I would have to do and ignored them.boat the mast step or adjoining structure" which could mean I need a boltthroughthe mast base. If anyone entered Category 1 race before, quick list of
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