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[Amel] Re: Amel Super Maramu sail dimensions / Standing rigging
Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
I replaced my sails about eighteen months ago with dacron ones via a Maltese sailmaker who had them made in Hong Kong and they are fine. The cost was half the price quoted by Gateff and included rapid manufacture,shipping and fitting by the local agent. I think Doyle sails are made in China but Gateff still seemed to be unaffected by this factor.toggle quoted message Show quoted text
Regards, Anne and John, SM319
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From: Miles Bidwell
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel Super Maramu sail dimensions / Standing rigging
Four years ago I bought a set of sail from Gateff Sails in Toulon, France
(Sails Gateff is now part of Doyle Sails). Gateff makes the sails as large
as is physically possible-significantly larger than the factory
specifications. He used Hydra Net material. After a transatlantic and
more, the sails look like new and the light air performance of the boat is
much improved and it tacks through a smaller angle. If anyone is
interested, when Doyle bought Sails Gateff, Doyle acquired the computer
programs that run the sail cutting machine so they should be able to
duplicate the size and shape of these sails.
Miles (sm216 Ladybug)
Country of manufacturing is not critical. It's the combination of design, materials, and manufacturing specifications that matter. As a sailmaker, I use the best Dacron available for offshore sails, which many in the industry would agree is something like Marblehead from Challenge. Depending on weight, it's usually somewhere in the $16-19 per yard price range. I could buy a lesser Dacron like the high modulus for $10 or $12 per yard. I could buy seconds or other factory reject cloth for as little as 20-30% of regular price. It's well known that some lofts will use seconds to achieve a low price.toggle quoted message Show quoted text
Manufacturing specifications vary. The size and design of patches is important. The basic broadseaming of course matters as well. Is the stitching zig-zag, or the much stronger triple step? What about the thread itself? Did you know some of the better sails are now using Tenara thread reduce or eliminate the threads degrading from UV exposure?
In-mast furling sails pose challenges as we have to engineer a lot of strength into the sail without making it bulky. Radial patches are a must. Webbing straps on in-mast furling sails must be well done. I prefer to use Spectra webbing knowing that if a webbing strap fails at the head of a sail at an inopportune moment, the only recourse is to lower the sail and repair it. Spectra is stronger and lasts longer. Yes it costs a few dollars extra.
I think many sailors assume all sails are more or less equal. That is generally not the case. It's a competitive industry and we don't see substantial differences in pricing for comparably manufactured sails. The margins simply aren't there. There are usually some major differences when there's a large disparity in price.
My advice is to ask a lot of questions about material and construction.
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