Euros mainsheet track


ullaroo
 

Hello everybody,
My wife Ellen and I are fresh owners of an old Amel. We bought our Euros 41 no 250 last summer and sailed it for a couple of months on Baltic before wintering it on shore in Estonia. PO has kept the boat in good condition so we didn't have no problems what so ever with it during our time on water. However, being keen sailors and having plans to go further away we see some room for improvements. Even on such an old boat many things are relatively easy to modernise, specially with help of the knowledge gathered on inernet forums like this one. Then again, answers for some questions are more difficult to come by. And here it comes why I decided to trouble you with my request for information. After hauling mainsheet car from side to side by hand for a month it was clear to me that I have to do something to arrange that business in more agreeable way. So, what are my options? Should I get rid of all of it and replace with a new sytem with towed car? Or is there a possibility to keep the track and use new towable car and other hardware with it? What have others done?
Regards,
Ullar


Dave_Benjamin
 

Ullar,

We have an older Amel also, a 1979 Maramu. We fitted a Harken Big Boat track to our boat. The original Goiot track was substantial enough that we could drill and tap mounting holes for the Harken track.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ullaroo" wrote:

Hello everybody,
My wife Ellen and I are fresh owners of an old Amel. We bought our Euros 41 no 250 last summer and sailed it for a couple of months on Baltic before wintering it on shore in Estonia. PO has kept the boat in good condition so we didn't have no problems what so ever with it during our time on water. However, being keen sailors and having plans to go further away we see some room for improvements. Even on such an old boat many things are relatively easy to modernise, specially with help of the knowledge gathered on inernet forums like this one. Then again, answers for some questions are more difficult to come by. And here it comes why I decided to trouble you with my request for information. After hauling mainsheet car from side to side by hand for a month it was clear to me that I have to do something to arrange that business in more agreeable way. So, what are my options? Should I get rid of all of it and replace with a new sytem with towed car? Or is there a possibility to keep the track and use new towable car and other hardware with it? What have others done?
Regards,
Ullar


Jose_Luis <lji0041@...>
 

Hi Ullar,

I have an Amel 41 at the Spanish Mediterranean coast.

I have not been able to find traveler or stoppers that match the track T profile (as it is not exactly a T). So I keep them dearly. That means that you would need to replace the track as well, unless you can get the traveler and stoppers specially made. The curve shape is not helping either.

In fact, If I would spend money on it. I would prefer to setup another track in front of the windscreens (afront), on top of the main cabin. This would also clear the cockpit and will allow you to put canvas for summer sailing.

But I have not made calculations as if the boom (or the cabin top) would stand the stress of this new position.
There is also the compromise of the opening windscreen windows, that will require also some solution.

Regards
JL

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ullaroo" wrote:

Hello everybody,
My wife Ellen and I are fresh owners of an old Amel. We bought our Euros 41 no 250 last summer and sailed it for a couple of months on Baltic before wintering it on shore in Estonia. PO has kept the boat in good condition so we didn't have no problems what so ever with it during our time on water. However, being keen sailors and having plans to go further away we see some room for improvements. Even on such an old boat many things are relatively easy to modernise, specially with help of the knowledge gathered on inernet forums like this one. Then again, answers for some questions are more difficult to come by. And here it comes why I decided to trouble you with my request for information. After hauling mainsheet car from side to side by hand for a month it was clear to me that I have to do something to arrange that business in more agreeable way. So, what are my options? Should I get rid of all of it and replace with a new sytem with towed car? Or is there a possibility to keep the track and use new towable car and other hardware with it? What have others done?
Regards,
Ullar


ullaroo
 

Hi Dave,

That sounds interesting. Why did you keep the original track below the new one? Was Goiot track difficult to remove or was it something else that brought you to that solution?

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

We have an older Amel also, a 1979 Maramu. We fitted a Harken Big Boat track to our boat. The original Goiot track was substantial enough that we could drill and tap mounting holes for the Harken track.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ullaroo" wrote:

Hello everybody,
My wife Ellen and I are fresh owners of an old Amel. We bought our Euros 41 no 250 last summer and sailed it for a couple of months on Baltic before wintering it on shore in Estonia. PO has kept the boat in good condition so we didn't have no problems what so ever with it during our time on water. However, being keen sailors and having plans to go further away we see some room for improvements. Even on such an old boat many things are relatively easy to modernise, specially with help of the knowledge gathered on inernet forums like this one. Then again, answers for some questions are more difficult to come by. And here it comes why I decided to trouble you with my request for information. After hauling mainsheet car from side to side by hand for a month it was clear to me that I have to do something to arrange that business in more agreeable way. So, what are my options? Should I get rid of all of it and replace with a new sytem with towed car? Or is there a possibility to keep the track and use new towable car and other hardware with it? What have others done?
Regards,
Ullar


ullaroo
 

Hi Jose,

Nice to talk to fellow Euros owner. I guess there is no easy solution then. It would have been nice just to replace few parts and have it working. Still, a bit afraid of moving track to cabin top though. It wasn't designed with that in mind perhaps. I'll wait for snow to melt away and start to take some measurements then.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Jose_Luis" wrote:

Hi Ullar,

I have an Amel 41 at the Spanish Mediterranean coast.

I have not been able to find traveler or stoppers that match the track T profile (as it is not exactly a T). So I keep them dearly. That means that you would need to replace the track as well, unless you can get the traveler and stoppers specially made. The curve shape is not helping either.

In fact, If I would spend money on it. I would prefer to setup another track in front of the windscreens (afront), on top of the main cabin. This would also clear the cockpit and will allow you to put canvas for summer sailing.

But I have not made calculations as if the boom (or the cabin top) would stand the stress of this new position.
There is also the compromise of the opening windscreen windows, that will require also some solution.

Regards
JL

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ullaroo" wrote:

Hello everybody,
My wife Ellen and I are fresh owners of an old Amel. We bought our Euros 41 no 250 last summer and sailed it for a couple of months on Baltic before wintering it on shore in Estonia. PO has kept the boat in good condition so we didn't have no problems what so ever with it during our time on water. However, being keen sailors and having plans to go further away we see some room for improvements. Even on such an old boat many things are relatively easy to modernise, specially with help of the knowledge gathered on inernet forums like this one. Then again, answers for some questions are more difficult to come by. And here it comes why I decided to trouble you with my request for information. After hauling mainsheet car from side to side by hand for a month it was clear to me that I have to do something to arrange that business in more agreeable way. So, what are my options? Should I get rid of all of it and replace with a new sytem with towed car? Or is there a possibility to keep the track and use new towable car and other hardware with it? What have others done?
Regards,
Ullar


Dave_Benjamin
 

Ullar,

It was a combination of factors. The original track did not appear to be through bolted. I suspect there is a strip of steel that was basically embedded, and then holes drilled and tapped to accept the screws for the original Goiot track. There was no sign of any problem with the track. After consulting with a few riggers who had seen similar installations, we decided to mount the new track on top of the existing.

Here is a link to a photo of the track right after it was installed. We used Lanocote on the machine screws to prevent dissimilar metal corrosion. That's the orange colored goop you see in the photo around the screws.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/105731786/amel_track.JPG

The beauty of this approach is we were able to use off the shelf Harken hardware that is both robust and readily available.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ullaroo" wrote:

Hi Dave,

That sounds interesting. Why did you keep the original track below the new one? Was Goiot track difficult to remove or was it something else that brought you to that solution?

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

We have an older Amel also, a 1979 Maramu. We fitted a Harken Big Boat track to our boat. The original Goiot track was substantial enough that we could drill and tap mounting holes for the Harken track.


ullaroo
 

Hi Dave,

Thanks for information. The track on Euros is situated in aft end of the
cockpit and is tilted slightly forward. If we can fix the new track on
the old one the tilt will be automatically right. That is a bonus.
However, the track is also curved. Can I buy a straight track and bend
it myself?

Here is the picture of my mainsheet track.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/909546897/pi\;
c/1817213682/view>

I really missed the convenience of towed mainsheet car last summer. It
wasn't for constant tweaking like on sports boat but just to get main
right easily.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

It was a combination of factors. The original track did not appear to
be through bolted. I suspect there is a strip of steel that was
basically embedded, and then holes drilled and tapped to accept the
screws for the original Goiot track. There was no sign of any problem
with the track. After consulting with a few riggers who had seen similar
installations, we decided to mount the new track on top of the existing.

Here is a link to a photo of the track right after it was installed.
We used Lanocote on the machine screws to prevent dissimilar metal
corrosion. That's the orange colored goop you see in the photo around
the screws.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/105731786/amel_track.JPG

The beauty of this approach is we were able to use off the shelf
Harken hardware that is both robust and readily available.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ullaroo" wrote:

Hi Dave,

That sounds interesting. Why did you keep the original track below
the new one? Was Goiot track difficult to remove or was it something
else that brought you to that solution?

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

We have an older Amel also, a 1979 Maramu. We fitted a Harken Big
Boat track to our boat. The original Goiot track was substantial enough
that we could drill and tap mounting holes for the Harken track.


Dave_Benjamin
 

Ullar,

The Harken low beam track should work as it has some flexibility. I would check the Harken documentation available on their website and review the installation instructions.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ullaroo" wrote:

Hi Dave,

Thanks for information. The track on Euros is situated in aft end of the
cockpit and is tilted slightly forward. If we can fix the new track on
the old one the tilt will be automatically right. That is a bonus.
However, the track is also curved. Can I buy a straight track and bend
it myself?

Here is the picture of my mainsheet track.
c/1817213682/view>

I really missed the convenience of towed mainsheet car last summer. It
wasn't for constant tweaking like on sports boat but just to get main
right easily.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

It was a combination of factors. The original track did not appear to
be through bolted. I suspect there is a strip of steel that was
basically embedded, and then holes drilled and tapped to accept the
screws for the original Goiot track. There was no sign of any problem
with the track. After consulting with a few riggers who had seen similar
installations, we decided to mount the new track on top of the existing.

Here is a link to a photo of the track right after it was installed.
We used Lanocote on the machine screws to prevent dissimilar metal
corrosion. That's the orange colored goop you see in the photo around
the screws.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/105731786/amel_track.JPG

The beauty of this approach is we were able to use off the shelf
Harken hardware that is both robust and readily available.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ullaroo" wrote:

Hi Dave,

That sounds interesting. Why did you keep the original track below
the new one? Was Goiot track difficult to remove or was it something
else that brought you to that solution?

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

We have an older Amel also, a 1979 Maramu. We fitted a Harken Big
Boat track to our boat. The original Goiot track was substantial enough
that we could drill and tap mounting holes for the Harken track.


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