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[Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
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Richard Piller
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On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...>
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
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Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Hi been on this site a long time and do not recall having to replace the foil. Why not wash it out with pressurized water. Then run the a rage up and down to clean it. If indeed it is scored get a dremel tool and polish it out.
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
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On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:57, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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amelliahona <no_reply@...>
I think a call/email to Amel would be a wise move. Prior to major disassembly I would want to assure myself that there isn't an Amel design feature that is preventing the swivel from going all the way up the foil. Perhaps there is a set screw or bolt in the foil to recent it from going too high. Skype Amel or Joel and ask about any design issues.
There is non-SM Amel, I think a Kirk, in Jolly Harbor that has had the swivel seize on the main mast foil. I was talking with the technician who was seeing to the repairs, and on that model at least, they were planning on un-stepping the mast to get the foil out and render the appropriate repairs.
Just my thoughts,
Sincerely,
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
SM 2000 Hull # 335
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There is non-SM Amel, I think a Kirk, in Jolly Harbor that has had the swivel seize on the main mast foil. I was talking with the technician who was seeing to the repairs, and on that model at least, they were planning on un-stepping the mast to get the foil out and render the appropriate repairs.
Just my thoughts,
Sincerely,
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
SM 2000 Hull # 335
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:
Hi been on this site a long time and do not recall having to replace the foil. Why not wash it out with pressurized water. Then run the a rage up and down to clean it. If indeed it is scored get a dremel tool and polish it out.
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:57, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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Deb Winther <wintherdeb@...>
It looks like a previous owner had the bolt screwed in too tight and it had been scarring the foil over the years. Also the new mast will have to be cut a bit at the head as the sailmaker used an IPJ measurement rather than matching it to our old Amel sail (hopefully this can be done) so it seems the swivel is not meant to go to the top of the mast. Joel was very helpful over the phone and confirmed our thoughts. Thank you.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
Hull 102
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From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
I think a call/email to Amel would be a wise move. Prior to major disassembly I would want to assure myself that there isn't an Amel design feature that is preventing the swivel from going all the way up the foil. Perhaps there is a set screw or bolt in the foil to recent it from going too high. Skype Amel or Joel and ask about any design issues.
There is non-SM Amel, I think a Kirk, in Jolly Harbor that has had the swivel seize on the main mast foil. I was talking with the technician who was seeing to the repairs, and on that model at least, they were planning on un-stepping the mast to get the foil out and render the appropriate repairs.
Just my thoughts,
Sincerely,
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
SM 2000 Hull # 335
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:
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Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
Hull 102
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From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
I think a call/email to Amel would be a wise move. Prior to major disassembly I would want to assure myself that there isn't an Amel design feature that is preventing the swivel from going all the way up the foil. Perhaps there is a set screw or bolt in the foil to recent it from going too high. Skype Amel or Joel and ask about any design issues.
There is non-SM Amel, I think a Kirk, in Jolly Harbor that has had the swivel seize on the main mast foil. I was talking with the technician who was seeing to the repairs, and on that model at least, they were planning on un-stepping the mast to get the foil out and render the appropriate repairs.
Just my thoughts,
Sincerely,
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
SM 2000 Hull # 335
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:
whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
Hi been on this site a long time and do not recall having to replace the foil. Why not wash it out with pressurized water. Then run the a rage up and down to clean it. If indeed it is scored get a dremel tool and polish it out.
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:57, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
Mike,
I would clean the foil with a small very stiff brush, possibly stainless and
soap and water to remove salt and the WD40. I believe you should be using a
dry silicone spray like sailcote and not an oily substance like WD40 as dirt
will stick to the WD40.
Fair Winds
Eric
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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of wintherdeb
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the
technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but
will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a
similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what
we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in
Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
wrote:
mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and
wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the
swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber
hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a
crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way
(via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear
- it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and
sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the
process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on
(up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened)
to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is
whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if
there is a simpler way?
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I would clean the foil with a small very stiff brush, possibly stainless and
soap and water to remove salt and the WD40. I believe you should be using a
dry silicone spray like sailcote and not an oily substance like WD40 as dirt
will stick to the WD40.
Fair Winds
Eric
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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of wintherdeb
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the
technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but
will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a
similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what
we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in
Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
wrote:
hose and wash it out?
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a
replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to
mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and
wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the
swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber
hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a
crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way
(via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear
- it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and
sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the
process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on
(up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened)
to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is
whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if
there is a simpler way?
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Dear members: I believe that 90% of maintenance and preventative maintenance is :doing the dishes". In other words, keeping things clean and lubricated. I concur that cleaning the foil is important. BUT... As an opposing opinion regarding the following statement: "I would clean the foil with a small very stiff brush, possibly stainless "
I would STRONGLY advise against using any kind of metal brush on any anodized aluminum object (i.e. the foil). This ill scratch the thin, but hard, anodized surface treatment and will lead to corrosion of the aluminum structure.
If you need to clean the foil, use soap and hot water and a bristle brush made of nylon or other synthetic bristles. If you can clean it up using a good rag, soap and water without resorting to any kind of brush it would be best. If accretions of material warrant stronger methods consider something like acetone to remove layers of oil, grease, or wax.
Just my experience with anodized aircraft structures.
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
I would STRONGLY advise against using any kind of metal brush on any anodized aluminum object (i.e. the foil). This ill scratch the thin, but hard, anodized surface treatment and will lead to corrosion of the aluminum structure.
If you need to clean the foil, use soap and hot water and a bristle brush made of nylon or other synthetic bristles. If you can clean it up using a good rag, soap and water without resorting to any kind of brush it would be best. If accretions of material warrant stronger methods consider something like acetone to remove layers of oil, grease, or wax.
Just my experience with anodized aircraft structures.
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
I never use WD40 for anything on the boat.
WD40 is hydrophilic, means it attracts water. If you clean a piece of steel with a wire brush and then spray it with WD40, in 3 months it will be rusty.
Other products, like INOX (lanolin based), are hydrophobic and repel water. I have steel tools that I cleaned with a wire brush and then soaked in INOX years ago, that are still perfect.
INOX is an Australian product, don't know if it's available elsewhere.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
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WD40 is hydrophilic, means it attracts water. If you clean a piece of steel with a wire brush and then spray it with WD40, in 3 months it will be rusty.
Other products, like INOX (lanolin based), are hydrophobic and repel water. I have steel tools that I cleaned with a wire brush and then soaked in INOX years ago, that are still perfect.
INOX is an Australian product, don't know if it's available elsewhere.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
Mike,
I would clean the foil with a small very stiff brush, possibly stainless and
soap and water to remove salt and the WD40. I believe you should be using a
dry silicone spray like sailcote and not an oily substance like WD40 as dirt
will stick to the WD40.
Fair Winds
Eric
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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of wintherdeb
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the
technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but
will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a
similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what
we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in
Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@>
wrote:hose and wash it out?
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with areplace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to
mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and
wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the
swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber
hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a
crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way
(via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear
- it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and
sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the
process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on
(up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened)
to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is
whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if
there is a simpler way?Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Gary,
I think you are right about the brush. I had not thought about the
annodizing. However if there are severe areas of corrosion , I really do not
know what I would do if I had that problem.
I guess it is time to lower the sails and seriously clean all the foils.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Super Maramu #376
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From: amelyachtowners@...
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Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
Dear members: I believe that 90% of maintenance and preventative maintenance
is :doing the dishes". In other words, keeping things clean and lubricated.
I concur that cleaning the foil is important. BUT... As an opposing opinion
regarding the following statement: "I would clean the foil with a small very
stiff brush, possibly stainless "
I would STRONGLY advise against using any kind of metal brush on any
anodized aluminum object (i.e. the foil). This ill scratch the thin, but
hard, anodized surface treatment and will lead to corrosion of the aluminum
structure.
If you need to clean the foil, use soap and hot water and a bristle brush
made of nylon or other synthetic bristles. If you can clean it up using a
good rag, soap and water without resorting to any kind of brush it would be
best. If accretions of material warrant stronger methods consider something
like acetone to remove layers of oil, grease, or wax.
Just my experience with anodized aircraft structures.
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
I think you are right about the brush. I had not thought about the
annodizing. However if there are severe areas of corrosion , I really do not
know what I would do if I had that problem.
I guess it is time to lower the sails and seriously clean all the foils.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Super Maramu #376
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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
Dear members: I believe that 90% of maintenance and preventative maintenance
is :doing the dishes". In other words, keeping things clean and lubricated.
I concur that cleaning the foil is important. BUT... As an opposing opinion
regarding the following statement: "I would clean the foil with a small very
stiff brush, possibly stainless "
I would STRONGLY advise against using any kind of metal brush on any
anodized aluminum object (i.e. the foil). This ill scratch the thin, but
hard, anodized surface treatment and will lead to corrosion of the aluminum
structure.
If you need to clean the foil, use soap and hot water and a bristle brush
made of nylon or other synthetic bristles. If you can clean it up using a
good rag, soap and water without resorting to any kind of brush it would be
best. If accretions of material warrant stronger methods consider something
like acetone to remove layers of oil, grease, or wax.
Just my experience with anodized aircraft structures.
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Inox looks like good stuff. I will check it out with a Usa distributor,
Fair Winds
Eric
sm
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Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
I never use WD40 for anything on the boat.
WD40 is hydrophilic, means it attracts water. If you clean a piece of steel
with a wire brush and then spray it with WD40, in 3 months it will be rusty.
Other products, like INOX (lanolin based), are hydrophobic and repel water.
I have steel tools that I cleaned with a wire brush and then soaked in INOX
years ago, that are still perfect.
INOX is an Australian product, don't know if it's available elsewhere.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
wrote:
Fair Winds
Eric
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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
I never use WD40 for anything on the boat.
WD40 is hydrophilic, means it attracts water. If you clean a piece of steel
with a wire brush and then spray it with WD40, in 3 months it will be rusty.
Other products, like INOX (lanolin based), are hydrophobic and repel water.
I have steel tools that I cleaned with a wire brush and then soaked in INOX
years ago, that are still perfect.
INOX is an Australian product, don't know if it's available elsewhere.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
wrote:
and
Mike,
I would clean the foil with a small very stiff brush, possibly stainless
soap and water to remove salt and the WD40. I believe you should be usinga
dry silicone spray like sailcote and not an oily substance like WD40 asdirt
will stick to the WD40.<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Fair Winds
Eric
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[mailto:amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of wintherdeb
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:58 AM<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foila
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the
technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but
will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had
similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for whatin
we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel
Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@>a
wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with
hose and wash it out?andreplace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to
mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top
wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up theway
swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber
hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a
crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other
(via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear andtear
- it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps saltand
sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through theon
process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back
(up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sailshortened)
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whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if
there is a simpler way?Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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I recently pulled my Nirvana mast to check for damage after losing the head stay mid Atlantic. I can confirm that the only way to remove the furling tube is to pull the mast, it slides out of the bottom. its an expensive operation. I suggest following any/all the advice in this thread to resolve your problem.
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
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Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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Lost your headstay!!??? Whoa, that's something I'd like to hear more about. Which stay, conditions, how old was the rig, what do you think caused the failure, what did you do to repair at sea, anything else you think is pertinent. I've not heard of anyone else on this forum who's had a failure of standing rigging. I had considered carrying some spares, either cables or hi-tech line that could be fit to the need depending on which stay failed. I had the standing rigging replaced a few years ago and put the spares idea on the back burner.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Brunswick, GA, USA
________________________________
From: minaxi53 <bob@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
I recently pulled my Nirvana mast to check for damage after losing the head stay mid Atlantic. I can confirm that the only way to remove the furling tube is to pull the mast, it slides out of the bottom. its an expensive operation. I suggest following any/all the advice in this thread to resolve your problem.
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Brunswick, GA, USA
________________________________
From: minaxi53 <bob@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
I recently pulled my Nirvana mast to check for damage after losing the head stay mid Atlantic. I can confirm that the only way to remove the furling tube is to pull the mast, it slides out of the bottom. its an expensive operation. I suggest following any/all the advice in this thread to resolve your problem.
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question is
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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minaxi53
Kent
The disturbing thing about this is the whole rigging had been replaced only one year before and by a major US rigger. It was the swage fitting at the top of the mast that failed. Lesson learned, stainless steel is not what it used to be, I think the original Amel rigging would have lasted another 20 years. I just followed traditional thinking that the rig should be changed every 15 years. I now carry a bunch of old cable, turnbuckles, shackles and bulldog clips just in case!
The event happened Novemeber 2011 returning from Europe to the Caribbean. About 600 miles out from the Canaries. We rigged 3 halyards to the front of the boat and turned south to Cape Verdes to make repairs. Scary, but all worked out well.
Back in New York now and planning to head south for the winter.
Regards
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
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The disturbing thing about this is the whole rigging had been replaced only one year before and by a major US rigger. It was the swage fitting at the top of the mast that failed. Lesson learned, stainless steel is not what it used to be, I think the original Amel rigging would have lasted another 20 years. I just followed traditional thinking that the rig should be changed every 15 years. I now carry a bunch of old cable, turnbuckles, shackles and bulldog clips just in case!
The event happened Novemeber 2011 returning from Europe to the Caribbean. About 600 miles out from the Canaries. We rigged 3 halyards to the front of the boat and turned south to Cape Verdes to make repairs. Scary, but all worked out well.
Back in New York now and planning to head south for the winter.
Regards
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
Lost your headstay!!??? Whoa, that's something I'd like to hear more about. Which stay, conditions, how old was the rig, what do you think caused the failure, what did you do to repair at sea, anything else you think is pertinent. I've not heard of anyone else on this forum who's had a failure of standing rigging. I had considered carrying some spares, either cables or hi-tech line that could be fit to the need depending on which stay failed. I had the standing rigging replaced a few years ago and put the spares idea on the back burner.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Brunswick, GA, USA
________________________________
From: minaxi53 <bob@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
Â
I recently pulled my Nirvana mast to check for damage after losing the head stay mid Atlantic. I can confirm that the only way to remove the furling tube is to pull the mast, it slides out of the bottom. its an expensive operation. I suggest following any/all the advice in this thread to resolve your problem.
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question isDeb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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Dave_Benjamin
Bob,
I have no idea who the rigger was, but I am not surprised. There are an abundance of people in the US masquerading as riggers. Many are dangerously incompetent. There is no certification or oversight. Many talk a good game but have never had a bit of proper training.
I'd be curious to know who did the work if you want to send a private email.
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I have no idea who the rigger was, but I am not surprised. There are an abundance of people in the US masquerading as riggers. Many are dangerously incompetent. There is no certification or oversight. Many talk a good game but have never had a bit of proper training.
I'd be curious to know who did the work if you want to send a private email.
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "minaxi53" <bob@...> wrote:
Kent
The disturbing thing about this is the whole rigging had been replaced only one year before and by a major US rigger. It was the swage fitting at the top of the mast that failed. Lesson learned, stainless steel is not what it used to be, I think the original Amel rigging would have lasted another 20 years. I just followed traditional thinking that the rig should be changed every 15 years. I now carry a bunch of old cable, turnbuckles, shackles and bulldog clips just in case!
The event happened Novemeber 2011 returning from Europe to the Caribbean. About 600 miles out from the Canaries. We rigged 3 halyards to the front of the boat and turned south to Cape Verdes to make repairs. Scary, but all worked out well.
Back in New York now and planning to head south for the winter.
Regards
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:
Lost your headstay!!??? Whoa, that's something I'd like to hear more about. Which stay, conditions, how old was the rig, what do you think caused the failure, what did you do to repair at sea, anything else you think is pertinent. I've not heard of anyone else on this forum who's had a failure of standing rigging. I had considered carrying some spares, either cables or hi-tech line that could be fit to the need depending on which stay failed. I had the standing rigging replaced a few years ago and put the spares idea on the back burner.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Brunswick, GA, USA
________________________________
From: minaxi53 <bob@>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
Â
I recently pulled my Nirvana mast to check for damage after losing the head stay mid Atlantic. I can confirm that the only way to remove the furling tube is to pull the mast, it slides out of the bottom. its an expensive operation. I suggest following any/all the advice in this thread to resolve your problem.
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question isDeb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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So it was the forestay? Did the jib halyard keep it in place? We're you able to furl or douse the jib? We're you in heavy weather when it failed?
I'm imagining the lower swage failing and having the furler flailing around or the whole rig crashing down! Im guessing it took at least a few seconds to figure out what happened...Did you immediately turn downwind? That's the stuff of nightmares.
Kent
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I'm imagining the lower swage failing and having the furler flailing around or the whole rig crashing down! Im guessing it took at least a few seconds to figure out what happened...Did you immediately turn downwind? That's the stuff of nightmares.
Kent
On Jun 12, 2013, at 5:27 PM, "minaxi53" <bob@...> wrote:
Kent
The disturbing thing about this is the whole rigging had been replaced only one year before and by a major US rigger. It was the swage fitting at the top of the mast that failed. Lesson learned, stainless steel is not what it used to be, I think the original Amel rigging would have lasted another 20 years. I just followed traditional thinking that the rig should be changed every 15 years. I now carry a bunch of old cable, turnbuckles, shackles and bulldog clips just in case!
The event happened Novemeber 2011 returning from Europe to the Caribbean. About 600 miles out from the Canaries. We rigged 3 halyards to the front of the boat and turned south to Cape Verdes to make repairs. Scary, but all worked out well.
Back in New York now and planning to head south for the winter.
Regards
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
Lost your headstay!!??? Whoa, that's something I'd like to hear more about. Which stay, conditions, how old was the rig, what do you think caused the failure, what did you do to repair at sea, anything else you think is pertinent. I've not heard of anyone else on this forum who's had a failure of standing rigging. I had considered carrying some spares, either cables or hi-tech line that could be fit to the need depending on which stay failed. I had the standing rigging replaced a few years ago and put the spares idea on the back burner.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Brunswick, GA, USA
________________________________
From: minaxi53 <bob@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] mast mainsail furler foil
I recently pulled my Nirvana mast to check for damage after losing the head stay mid Atlantic. I can confirm that the only way to remove the furling tube is to pull the mast, it slides out of the bottom. its an expensive operation. I suggest following any/all the advice in this thread to resolve your problem.
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:whether the mast has to be dismantled in order to fix the problem or if there is a simpler way?
We flushed it with WD40 and released the swivel so it comes down but the technicians think the foil is scarred. It looks like the swivel is ok but will give it a good flush and cleaning. We are wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Does anyone know of a replacement foil available for what we believe to be a Nirvana foil? Will have the technician check with Amel in Hyeres but appreciate any suggestions.
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM '93
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:
Hi what is blocking the track. If it is dirt and salt why not go up with a hose and wash it out?
Regards
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:26, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:
Does anyone know if the mast needs to be dismantled in order to replace/repair the foil on the mainsail furler? We tried to hoist a new mainsail on our SM '93 and the swivel got stuck about 20cm from the top and wouldn't budge. Some guys went up to have a check and after freeing up the swivel (24hrs after spraying with WD40 and a bit of pounding with a rubber hammer did the trick)they think it is the foil. We probably need to have a crane take off the mast in order to get it repaired. Is there any other way (via the top?) this can be done? We are guessing the cause is wear and tear - it is the first time the mainsail has been changed, also perhaps salt and sand getting into the mast? We are debating whether to go through the process of a dismantle depending on time factor or putting old sail back on (up to point swivel got stuck - will have to get some of old sail shortened) to get through season and then have done next winter. Our main question isDeb & Mike
s/v Coriandre '93 SM
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