|
Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
|
|
|
karkauai
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. Need some other suggestions. Kent SM243 Kristy Tiger Point Boat Yard Fernandina Beach FL
On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:
Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
|
|
|
Mark Erdos
Kent,
What about something like Boeshield RustFree Rust and Stain Remover? Perhaps a multiple application to a specific area will give you the break you need to get the ball small enough.
Mark SM2K #275
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions. Kent SM243 Kristy Tiger Point Boat Yard Fernandina Beach FL
Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
|
|
|
Mark Erdos
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions. Kent SM243 Kristy Tiger Point Boat Yard Fernandina Beach FL
Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
|
|
|
karkauai
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks, Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
Sledge hammer???
/Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232
Skickat från min iPad 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" < karkauai@...>:
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks, Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
karkauai
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! Keep em coming! Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg < kanalmamman@...> wrote:
Sledge hammer???
/Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232
Skickat från min iPad 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" < karkauai@...>:
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks, Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
Alternatives to think about:
1. Hydrochloric acid;
2. Heat gun;
3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)
Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54 Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson < karkauai@...> escreveu:
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! Keep em coming!
Kent
Sledge hammer???
/Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232
Skickat från min iPad 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" < karkauai@...>:
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
karkauai
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward?
Not sure what the heat gun would do???
I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis?
Thanks, Roque, Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque < ediroque@...> wrote:
Alternatives to think about:
1. Hydrochloric acid;
2. Heat gun;
3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)
Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54 Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson < karkauai@...> escreveu:
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! Keep em coming!
Kent
Sledge hammer???
/Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232
Skickat från min iPad 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" < karkauai@...>:
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
Since you are very experienced, I take it you have already tryed the obvious solutions with no sucess. So I took a chance with less usual methods. Gear gun: not sure if it will work in your particular case, but I could once separate a few parts "glued" due to rust. Concentrade heat will dilate the pieces and eventuallly break a few links loose.
Electrolysis: it envolves putting the rust part into a Electrolyte solution, using a plastic container. You will need a sacrifice metal and a battery.
If you think you have enough room for this, and if everything else fails, let me know and I will try to guide you. (I will have to find a way to do this in English!)
Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson < karkauai@...> escreveu:
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward?
Not sure what the heat gun would do???
I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis?
Thanks, Roque, Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:
Alternatives to think about:
1. Hydrochloric acid;
2. Heat gun;
3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)
Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54 Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> escreveu:
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! Keep em coming!
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...> wrote:
Sledge hammer???
/Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232
Skickat från min iPad
28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...>:
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions. Kent SM243 Kristy Tiger Point Boat Yard Fernandina Beach FL
On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:
Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@...>:
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
<
|
|
|
karkauai
Thank you Roque, I will try the heat gun when I get back next week. Electrolysis sounds interesting, but still don't quite understand it. Thanks again, Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 9:43 PM, Roque < ediroque@...> wrote:
Since you are very experienced, I take it you have already tryed the obvious solutions with no sucess. So I took a chance with less usual methods. Gear gun: not sure if it will work in your particular case, but I could once separate a few parts "glued" due to rust. Concentrade heat will dilate the pieces and eventuallly break a few links loose.
Electrolysis: it envolves putting the rust part into a Electrolyte solution, using a plastic container. You will need a sacrifice metal and a battery.
If you think you have enough room for this, and if everything else fails, let me know and I will try to guide you. (I will have to find a way to do this in English!)
Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson < karkauai@...> escreveu:
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward?
Not sure what the heat gun would do???
I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis?
Thanks, Roque, Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:
Alternatives to think about:
1. Hydrochloric acid;
2. Heat gun;
3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)
Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54 Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> escreveu:
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! Keep em coming!
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...> wrote:
Sledge hammer???
/Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232
Skickat från min iPad
28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@...>:
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions. Kent SM243 Kristy Tiger Point Boat Yard Fernandina Beach FL
On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:
Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@...>:
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
<
|
|
|
Kent , How about a long chisel and a 3lb. sledge hammer a have at it. Pat
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
HI Kent,
Sorry to read of all your problems, not least the bad back, it
seems to me that you should not be banging around in the chain locker and you
should get someone else to do the dirty work. I am astonished that the chain has
apparently fused itself together and have to wonder whether it is electrolysis
affected. What I would do is to Google phosphoric acid to see what the
breathing hazards are. There are some clues under the headings CDC.NIOSH-hazards
and under nj,gov/health as well as many others. I have recently been using
a “strong rust remover to unfreeze a ball race. It was only less than 12% and
really not what you need as it was very expensive per fluid oz.The adverts on
Google offered five litre cans of concentrate for £25. It should be much
more effective than Hydrochloric acid and hopefully not so hugely dangerous.A
plumber died after using strong HCL to clear the lime scale deposits in the
pipes in the mens urinal in my office years ago. I would hope to get
professional advice on the best percentage of phosphoric to use.
I would start on the problem by getting a length of steel rod
of the right diameter that when the end had been reduced in diameter so that it
would just fit through a link and long enough that the other end can be easily
hammered in the cabin. I would then winch the chain by hand so that it is taut
in the locker and then I would see whether the links can be separated one by
one. If not I would apply phosphoric to the relevant links, wait a while and
then start banging again.
Good luck, you need some after these problems, John Bali
Hai, Sm319 in Malta
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain
Locker
Kent , How about a long chisel and a 3lb.
sledge hammer a have at it. Pat
-----Original
Message----- From: Kent Robertson To:
amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Mar 28,
2014 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rusted Ball of Chain in the
Chain Locker
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda
blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It
would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
karkauai
Hi Pat, I can't get both arms into the locker thru that small access port. Can't hold the chisel and hammer with one hand. If I had a long enough chisel I could work on the starbord side but not the port side with the center divider in the way. K
On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Patrick Mcaneny < sailw32@...> wrote:
Kent , How about a long chisel and a 3lb. sledge hammer a have at it. Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson < karkauai@...>
To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
karkauai
Another great suggestion, John. I'll definitely check out the phosphoric acid. Don't want to be another dead plumber.
It hadn't occurred to me that electrolysis could have played a role in this as well. Interesting thought. I'll definitely get the electrical system checked out.
Take care, Kent
On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "Anne and John Hollamby " < annejohnholl@...> wrote:
HI Kent,
Sorry to read of all your problems, not least the bad back, it
seems to me that you should not be banging around in the chain locker and you
should get someone else to do the dirty work. I am astonished that the chain has
apparently fused itself together and have to wonder whether it is electrolysis
affected. What I would do is to Google phosphoric acid to see what the
breathing hazards are. There are some clues under the headings CDC.NIOSH-hazards
and under nj,gov/health as well as many others. I have recently been using
a “strong rust remover to unfreeze a ball race. It was only less than 12% and
really not what you need as it was very expensive per fluid oz.The adverts on
Google offered five litre cans of concentrate for £25. It should be much
more effective than Hydrochloric acid and hopefully not so hugely dangerous.A
plumber died after using strong HCL to clear the lime scale deposits in the
pipes in the mens urinal in my office years ago. I would hope to get
professional advice on the best percentage of phosphoric to use.
I would start on the problem by getting a length of steel rod
of the right diameter that when the end had been reduced in diameter so that it
would just fit through a link and long enough that the other end can be easily
hammered in the cabin. I would then winch the chain by hand so that it is taut
in the locker and then I would see whether the links can be separated one by
one. If not I would apply phosphoric to the relevant links, wait a while and
then start banging again.
Good luck, you need some after these problems, John Bali
Hai, Sm319 in Malta
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain
Locker
Kent , How about a long chisel and a 3lb.
sledge hammer a have at it. Pat
-----Original
Message----- From: Kent Robertson < karkauai@...> To:
amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Fri, Mar 28,
2014 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rusted Ball of Chain in the
Chain Locker
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda
blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It
would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Kent keep putting an oil base anti rust solution on the chain. Give it time to work. By the sound of your other issue you got time. Think about putting a zinc on your anchor and dropping right there and let the weight work for you. The rust will yield soon. Best of luck. Regards Richard Piller Listing, Servicing and Selling Fine Yachts in Newport.
On Mar 29, 2014, at 12:12, Kent Robertson < karkauai@...> wrote:
Hi Pat, I can't get both arms into the locker thru that small access port. Can't hold the chisel and hammer with one hand. If I had a long enough chisel I could work on the starbord side but not the port side with the center divider in the way. K
On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Patrick Mcaneny < sailw32@...> wrote:
Kent , How about a long chisel and a 3lb. sledge hammer a have at it. Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson < karkauai@...>
To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.
|
|
|
