[Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386


sbmesasailor
 

Do you have access to a tool rental shop?  You might try to find an electric "chipper".  It's a small, hand-held hammer that accepts various bits.  Often used to remove tile from counters/floors.  I know you said you have limited access but maybe you can use it with one hand and not have to do the swinging action with a mallet. Another idea is to not use your windlass to haul the chain out but use block and tackle back to your winch.  Lifting the whole mass to the top of the chain locker and then dropping it a few times might break it up.

Dennis
sv Libertad

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:24 AM, "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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15 Messages
Digest #3386

1a
Feeling secure by gegcarter
1b
Re: Feeling secure by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
1c
Re: Feeling secure by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
2a
Prop Shaft Electrolysis by karkauai
2b
Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis by "sailormon" kimberlite1212
3a
Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by karkauai
3b
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
3c
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3d
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3e
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3f
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3g
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
3h
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3i
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Roque"
3j
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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1a
Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:
gegcarter
I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma
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1b
Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
That's a very creative way of solving that issue Keith. I'm impressed.
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM, <gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma

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1c
Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Very nice done! What a good idea!

But we can't figure out the lock solution. Can you post a better picture on that?

Regards
Annsofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232

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28 mar 2014 kl. 10:42 skrev gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk:

I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma

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2a
Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
karkauai
I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820
I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel?
I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically.
Sigh,
Kent
SM243
Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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2b
Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"sailormon" kimberlite1212
Wow !!

That looks awful.

I use a galvanic isolator on my AC circuit and also have the pedestal turned on only one day a week. So far in 3 months in the marina in the Caribbean I have used one kilowatt of electric.

There is a small zinc on the line cutter, and of course the 2 big ones on the rudder.

I am very sorry for the condition of your prop shaft. I believe there should be a drawing of your c drive in the owners manual . I believe replacing the shaft is a big project. It is also possible that a neighbor is putting AC into the water.

Did you have the marina check your AC outlet on the pedestal and the water around your boat?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of karkauai@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 3:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Electrolysis

I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820
I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel?
I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically.
Sigh,
Kent
SM243
Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL


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3a
Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
karkauai
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3b
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

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Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:

I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL

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3c
Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL
On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:

Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Kent,

What about something like Boeshield RustFree Rust and Stain Remover?
Perhaps a multiple application to a specific area will give you the break
you need to get the ball small enough.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:



Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a
littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:



I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL


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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a
mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:



Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a
littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:



I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL


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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:

Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

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28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:

Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote:

Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Roque"
Alternatives to think about:

1. Hydrochloric acid;

2. Heat gun;

3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)

Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54

Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
escreveu:



Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm
and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kanalmamman@hotmail.com');>>
wrote:



Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda
blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcerdos@gmail.com');>>
wrote:



Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a
mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
wrote:


Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch');>>
wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is
a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL

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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward?

Not sure what the heat gun would do???

I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis?

Thanks, Roque,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@gmail.com> wrote:

Alternatives to think about:


1. Hydrochloric acid;

2. Heat gun;

3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)

Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54

Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu:

Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote:


Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Thanks for your idea Dennis . I've put a lot of tension on it with an extra halyard which doesn't budge it.
Kent

On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Dennis Johns <sbmesasailor@yahoo.com> wrote:

Do you have access to a tool rental shop? You might try to find an electric "chipper". It's a small, hand-held hammer that accepts various bits. Often used to remove tile from counters/floors. I know you said you have limited access but maybe you can use it with one hand and not have to do the swinging action with a mallet. Another idea is to not use your windlass to haul the chain out but use block and tackle back to your winch. Lifting the whole mass to the top of the chain locker and then dropping it a few times might break it up.

Dennis
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On Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:24 AM, "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Amel Yacht Owners - Forum for owners of Amel sailboats Group
15 Messages Digest #3386
1a Feeling secure by gegcarter
1b Re: Feeling secure by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
1c Re: Feeling secure by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
2a Prop Shaft Electrolysis by karkauai
2b Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis by "sailormon" kimberlite1212
3a Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by karkauai
3b Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
3c Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3d Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3e Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3f Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3g Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
3h Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3i Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Roque"
3j Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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1a Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 am (PDT) . Posted by: gegcarter
I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma
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1b Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
That's a very creative way of solving that issue Keith. I'm impressed.
Kent

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On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM, <gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma

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1c Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Very nice done! What a good idea!

But we can't figure out the lock solution. Can you post a better picture on that?

Regards
Annsofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232

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28 mar 2014 kl. 10:42 skrev gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk:

I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma

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2a Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by: karkauai
I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820
I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel?
I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically.
Sigh,
Kent
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2b Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "sailormon" kimberlite1212
Wow !!

That looks awful.

I use a galvanic isolator on my AC circuit and also have the pedestal turned on only one day a week. So far in 3 months in the marina in the Caribbean I have used one kilowatt of electric.

There is a small zinc on the line cutter, and of course the 2 big ones on the rudder.

I am very sorry for the condition of your prop shaft. I believe there should be a drawing of your c drive in the owners manual . I believe replacing the shaft is a big project. It is also possible that a neighbor is putting AC into the water.

Did you have the marina check your AC outlet on the pedestal and the water around your boat?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

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To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Electrolysis

I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820
I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel?
I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically.
Sigh,
Kent
SM243
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3a Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by: karkauai
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3b Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:

I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL

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3c Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL

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On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:

Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3d Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Kent,

What about something like Boeshield RustFree Rust and Stain Remover?
Perhaps a multiple application to a specific area will give you the break
you need to get the ball small enough.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:



Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a
littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:



I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL


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3e Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a
mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:



Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a
littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:



I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL


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3f Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:

Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3g Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

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28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:

Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3h Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote:

Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3i Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Roque"
Alternatives to think about:

1. Hydrochloric acid;

2. Heat gun;

3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)

Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54

Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
escreveu:



Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm
and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kanalmamman@hotmail.com');>>
wrote:



Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda
blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcerdos@gmail.com');>>
wrote:



Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a
mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
wrote:


Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch');>>
wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is
a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL

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3j Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward?

Not sure what the heat gun would do???

I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis?

Thanks, Roque,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@gmail.com> wrote:

Alternatives to think about:


1. Hydrochloric acid;

2. Heat gun;

3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)

Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54

Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu:

Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote:


Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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I've looked at the local big box stores for a "chipper" or electric chisel, but haven't found anything. I'll look on line when I get home tomorrow.
Thanks again ,
Kent

On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Dennis Johns <sbmesasailor@yahoo.com> wrote:

Do you have access to a tool rental shop? You might try to find an electric "chipper". It's a small, hand-held hammer that accepts various bits. Often used to remove tile from counters/floors. I know you said you have limited access but maybe you can use it with one hand and not have to do the swinging action with a mallet. Another idea is to not use your windlass to haul the chain out but use block and tackle back to your winch. Lifting the whole mass to the top of the chain locker and then dropping it a few times might break it up.

Dennis
sv Libertad
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:24 AM, "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Amel Yacht Owners - Forum for owners of Amel sailboats Group
15 Messages Digest #3386
1a Feeling secure by gegcarter
1b Re: Feeling secure by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
1c Re: Feeling secure by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
2a Prop Shaft Electrolysis by karkauai
2b Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis by "sailormon" kimberlite1212
3a Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by karkauai
3b Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
3c Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3d Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3e Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3f Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3g Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
3h Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3i Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Roque"
3j Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Messages
1a Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 am (PDT) . Posted by: gegcarter
I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma
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1b Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
That's a very creative way of solving that issue Keith. I'm impressed.
Kent

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On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM, <gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma

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1c Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Very nice done! What a good idea!

But we can't figure out the lock solution. Can you post a better picture on that?

Regards
Annsofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232

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28 mar 2014 kl. 10:42 skrev gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk:

I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma

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2a Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by: karkauai
I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820
I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel?
I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically.
Sigh,
Kent
SM243
Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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2b Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "sailormon" kimberlite1212
Wow !!

That looks awful.

I use a galvanic isolator on my AC circuit and also have the pedestal turned on only one day a week. So far in 3 months in the marina in the Caribbean I have used one kilowatt of electric.

There is a small zinc on the line cutter, and of course the 2 big ones on the rudder.

I am very sorry for the condition of your prop shaft. I believe there should be a drawing of your c drive in the owners manual . I believe replacing the shaft is a big project. It is also possible that a neighbor is putting AC into the water.

Did you have the marina check your AC outlet on the pedestal and the water around your boat?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

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To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Electrolysis

I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820
I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel?
I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically.
Sigh,
Kent
SM243
Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL

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3a Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by: karkauai
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3b Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:

I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL

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3c Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL

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On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:

Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3d Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Kent,

What about something like Boeshield RustFree Rust and Stain Remover?
Perhaps a multiple application to a specific area will give you the break
you need to get the ball small enough.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:



Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a
littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:



I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL


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3e Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a
mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:



Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a
littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:



I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL


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3f Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:

Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3g Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

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28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:

Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3h Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote:

Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3i Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Roque"
Alternatives to think about:

1. Hydrochloric acid;

2. Heat gun;

3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)

Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54

Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
escreveu:



Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm
and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kanalmamman@hotmail.com');>>
wrote:



Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda
blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcerdos@gmail.com');>>
wrote:



Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a
mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
wrote:


Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch');>>
wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is
a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL

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3j Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward?

Not sure what the heat gun would do???

I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis?

Thanks, Roque,
Kent

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On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@gmail.com> wrote:

Alternatives to think about:


1. Hydrochloric acid;

2. Heat gun;

3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)

Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54

Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu:

Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote:


Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Hi Kent,
I like the idea of what I call a jack hammer, you see them on road work sites. Not one that big but they come in all sizes. the smallest are electric and then you move up to air operated. I would go for the biggest you could fit through the locker door and use with one arm.
Hope you work it out OK
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


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From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 29 March 2014 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386

 
I've looked at the local big box stores for a "chipper" or electric chisel, but haven't found anything. I'll look on line when I get home tomorrow.
Thanks again ,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Dennis Johns <sbmesasailor@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Do you have access to a tool rental shop?  You might try to find an electric "chipper".  It's a small, hand-held hammer that accepts various bits.  Often used to remove tile from counters/floors.  I know you said you have limited access but maybe you can use it with one hand and not have to do the swinging action with a mallet. Another idea is to not use your windlass to haul the chain out but use block and tackle back to your winch.  Lifting the whole mass to the top of the chain locker and then dropping it a few times might break it up.


Dennis
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On Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:24 AM, "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Digest #3386

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Feeling secure by gegcarter
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Re: Feeling secure by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Re: Feeling secure by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
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Prop Shaft Electrolysis by karkauai
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Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis by "sailormon" kimberlite1212
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Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by karkauai
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Roque"
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:
gegcarter
I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. Keith on Guma
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Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
That's a very creative way of solving that issue Keith. I'm impressed. Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM, <gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. > Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. > > Keith > on Guma > >
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Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Very nice done! What a good idea! But we can't figure out the lock solution. Can you post a better picture on that? Regards Annsofie & Jonas S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 10:42 skrev gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk: > > I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. > Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. > > Keith > on Guma > >
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Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
karkauai
I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel? I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically. Sigh, Kent SM243 Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"sailormon" kimberlite1212
Wow !! That looks awful. I use a galvanic isolator on my AC circuit and also have the pedestal turned on only one day a week. So far in 3 months in the marina in the Caribbean I have used one kilowatt of electric. There is a small zinc on the line cutter, and of course the 2 big ones on the rudder. I am very sorry for the condition of your prop shaft. I believe there should be a drawing of your c drive in the owners manual . I believe replacing the shaft is a big project. It is also possible that a neighbor is putting AC into the water. Did you have the marina check your AC outlet on the pedestal and the water around your boat? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite SM 376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of karkauai@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 3:01 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Electrolysis I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom
after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel? I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically. Sigh, Kent SM243 Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
karkauai
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. Any ideas? Thanks, Kent SM 243 Kristy Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > >
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. Need some other suggestions. Kent SM243 Kristy Tiger Point Boat Yard Fernandina Beach FL Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > >> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >> >> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted
into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> Kent >> SM 243 Kristy >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >> > >
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:18 pm (PDT) .. Posted by:
"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Kent, What about something like Boeshield RustFree Rust and Stain Remover? Perhaps a multiple application to a specific area will give you the break you need to get the ball small enough. Mark SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge > because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means > the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do > it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for > 24 hrs and no improvement. > Need some other suggestions. > Kent > SM243 Kristy > Tiger Point Boat Yard > Fernandina Beach FL > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < > hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 >
Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a > littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is > rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of > PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now > I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > > >
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. Mark SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge > because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means > the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do > it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for > 24 hrs and no improvement. > Need some other suggestions. > Kent > SM243 Kristy > Tiger Point Boat Yard > Fernandina Beach FL > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < > hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan,
Prminister of Tukey is a > littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 28.03..2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is > rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of > PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now > I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > > >
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks, Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: > > Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. > > Mark > SM2K #275 > > http://www.creampuff.us/ > > >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >> Need some other suggestions. >> Kent >> SM243 Kristy >> Tiger Point Boat Yard >> Fernandina
Beach FL >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Kent >>> buy a new one, safety first >>> best regards >>> Hanspeter >>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>> >>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>> >>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> > >>> > >>> > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> > Any ideas? >>> > Thanks, >>> > Kent >>> > SM 243 Kristy >>> > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> > >> > >
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Sledge hammer??? /Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. > Keep those ideas coming! > Thanks, > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >> >> Mark >> SM2K #275 >> >> http://www.creampuff.us/ >> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but
fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>> Need some other suggestions. >>> Kent >>> SM243 Kristy >>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>> Fernandina Beach FL >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Kent >>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>> best regards >>>> Hanspeter >>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>> >>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>> >>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo..com>: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer
without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> Kent >>> >> SM 243 Kristy >>> >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >> > >
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! Keep em coming! Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sledge hammer??? > > /Annsofie > Lady Annila SM 232 > > Skickat från min iPad > >> 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >> >> >> Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. >> Keep those ideas coming! >> Thanks, >> Kent >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >>> >>> Mark >>> SM2K #275 >>> >>> http://www.creampuff.us/ >>> >>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>>> Need some other suggestions. >>>> Kent >>>> SM243 Kristy >>>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>>> Fernandina Beach FL >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kent >>>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>>> best regards >>>>> Hanspeter >>>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few
miles away >>>>> >>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>>> >>>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kent >>> >>> SM 243 Kristy >>> >>> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >>> > >
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Roque"
Alternatives to think about: 1. Hydrochloric acid; 2. Heat gun; 3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this) Roque S/Y Atica Amel 54 Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu: > > > Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm > and ribs from squeezing in there. > I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! > Keep em coming! > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kanalmamman@hotmail.com');>> > wrote: > > > > Sledge hammer??? > > /Annsofie > Lady Annila SM 232 > > Skickat från min iPad > > 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> > >: > > > > Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda > blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a
time. > Keep those ideas coming! > Thanks, > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcerdos@gmail.com');>> > wrote: > > > > Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a > mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. > > Mark > SM2K #275 > > http://www.creampuff.us/ > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge >> because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means >> the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do >> it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for >> 24 hrs and no improvement. >> Need some other suggestions. >> Kent >> SM243 Kristy >> Tiger Point Boat Yard >> Fernandina Beach
FL >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < >> hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch');>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Kent >> buy a new one, safety first >> best regards >> Hanspeter >> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >> Krusadasi, Turkey >> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is >> a littel bit angry :-) >> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> >> >: >> >> >> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is >> rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of >> PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now >> I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> Kent >> SM 243 Kristy >> Currently Tiger
Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >> >> > >
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward? Not sure what the heat gun would do??? I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis? Thanks, Roque, Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@gmail.com> wrote: > > Alternatives to think about: > > > 1. Hydrochloric acid; > > 2. Heat gun; > > 3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this) > > Roque > S/Y Atica Amel 54 > > Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu: >> >> Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. >> I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! >> Keep em coming! >> Kent >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sledge hammer??? >>> >>> /Annsofie >>>
Lady Annila SM 232 >>> >>> Skickat från min iPad >>> >>>> 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. >>>> Keep those ideas coming! >>>> Thanks, >>>> Kent >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> SM2K #275 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.creampuff.us/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than
mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>>>>> Need some other suggestions. >>>>>> Kent >>>>>> SM243 Kristy >>>>>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>>>>> Fernandina Beach FL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Kent >>>>>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>>>>> best regards >>>>>>> Hanspeter >>>>>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>>>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>>>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>>>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted
into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >>> >> Kent >>> >>> >> SM 243 Kristy >>> >>> >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >>> >> > >
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Thanks Danny, I'm looking for something like that now. Will probably have to use acid and a jack hammer.
Kent

On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Kent,
I like the idea of what I call a jack hammer, you see them on road work sites. Not one that big but they come in all sizes. the smallest are electric and then you move up to air operated. I would go for the biggest you could fit through the locker door and use with one arm.
Hope you work it out OK
Regards
Danny
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From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 29 March 2014 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386

I've looked at the local big box stores for a "chipper" or electric chisel, but haven't found anything. I'll look on line when I get home tomorrow.
Thanks again ,
Kent
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On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Dennis Johns <sbmesasailor@yahoo.com> wrote:

Do you have access to a tool rental shop? You might try to find an electric "chipper". It's a small, hand-held hammer that accepts various bits. Often used to remove tile from counters/floors. I know you said you have limited access but maybe you can use it with one hand and not have to do the swinging action with a mallet. Another idea is to not use your windlass to haul the chain out but use block and tackle back to your winch. Lifting the whole mass to the top of the chain locker and then dropping it a few times might break it up.

Dennis
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15 Messages Digest #3386
1a Feeling secure by gegcarter
1b Re: Feeling secure by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
1c Re: Feeling secure by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
2a Prop Shaft Electrolysis by karkauai
2b Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis by "sailormon" kimberlite1212
3a Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by karkauai
3b Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
3c Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3d Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3e Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3f Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3g Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
3h Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3i Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Roque"
3j Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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1a Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 am (PDT) . Posted by: gegcarter
I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. Keith on Guma
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1b Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
That's a very creative way of solving that issue Keith. I'm impressed. Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM, <gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. > Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. > > Keith > on Guma > >
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1c Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Very nice done! What a good idea! But we can't figure out the lock solution. Can you post a better picture on that? Regards Annsofie & Jonas S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 10:42 skrev gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk: > > I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. > Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. > > Keith > on Guma > >
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2a Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by: karkauai
I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel? I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically. Sigh, Kent SM243 Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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2b Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "sailormon" kimberlite1212
Wow !! That looks awful. I use a galvanic isolator on my AC circuit and also have the pedestal turned on only one day a week. So far in 3 months in the marina in the Caribbean I have used one kilowatt of electric. There is a small zinc on the line cutter, and of course the 2 big ones on the rudder. I am very sorry for the condition of your prop shaft. I believe there should be a drawing of your c drive in the owners manual . I believe replacing the shaft is a big project. It is also possible that a neighbor is putting AC into the water. Did you have the marina check your AC outlet on the pedestal and the water around your boat? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite SM 376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of karkauai@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 3:01 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Electrolysis I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel? I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically. Sigh, Kent SM243 Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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3a Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by: karkauai
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. Any ideas? Thanks, Kent SM 243 Kristy Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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3b Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > >
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3c Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. Need some other suggestions. Kent SM243 Kristy Tiger Point Boat Yard Fernandina Beach FL Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > >> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >> >> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> Kent >> SM 243 Kristy >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >> > >
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3d Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Kent, What about something like Boeshield RustFree Rust and Stain Remover? Perhaps a multiple application to a specific area will give you the break you need to get the ball small enough. Mark SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge > because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means > the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do > it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for > 24 hrs and no improvement. > Need some other suggestions. > Kent > SM243 Kristy > Tiger Point Boat Yard > Fernandina Beach FL > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < > hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a > littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is > rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of > PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now > I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > > >
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3e Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. Mark SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge > because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means > the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do > it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for > 24 hrs and no improvement. > Need some other suggestions. > Kent > SM243 Kristy > Tiger Point Boat Yard > Fernandina Beach FL > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < > hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a > littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is > rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of > PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now > I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > > >
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3f Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks, Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: > > Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. > > Mark > SM2K #275 > > http://www.creampuff.us/ > > >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical.. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >> Need some other suggestions. >> Kent >> SM243 Kristy >> Tiger Point Boat Yard >> Fernandina Beach FL >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Kent >>> buy a new one, safety first >>> best regards >>> Hanspeter >>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>> >>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>> >>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> > >>> > >>> > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.. >>> > Any ideas? >>> > Thanks, >>> > Kent >>> > SM 243 Kristy >>> > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> > >> > >
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3g Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Sledge hammer??? /Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. > Keep those ideas coming! > Thanks, > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >> >> Mark >> SM2K #275 >> >> http://www.creampuff.us/ >> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>> Need some other suggestions. >>> Kent >>> SM243 Kristy >>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>> Fernandina Beach FL >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Kent >>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>> best regards >>>> Hanspeter >>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>> >>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>> >>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> Kent >>> >> SM 243 Kristy >>> >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >> > >
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3h Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! Keep em coming! Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sledge hammer??? > > /Annsofie > Lady Annila SM 232 > > Skickat från min iPad > >> 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >> >> >> Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it.. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. >> Keep those ideas coming! >> Thanks, >> Kent >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >>> >>> Mark >>> SM2K #275 >>> >>> http://www.creampuff.us/ >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>>> Need some other suggestions. >>>> Kent >>>> SM243 Kristy >>>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>>> Fernandina Beach FL >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter..baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kent >>>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>>> best regards >>>>> Hanspeter >>>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>>> >>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>>> >>>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kent >>> >>> SM 243 Kristy >>> >>> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >>> > >
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3i Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Roque"
Alternatives to think about: 1. Hydrochloric acid; 2. Heat gun; 3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this) Roque S/Y Atica Amel 54 Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu: > > > Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm > and ribs from squeezing in there. > I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! > Keep em coming! > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kanalmamman@hotmail.com');>> > wrote: > > > > Sledge hammer??? > > /Annsofie > Lady Annila SM 232 > > Skickat från min iPad > > 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> > >: > > > > Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda > blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. > Keep those ideas coming! > Thanks, > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcerdos@gmail.com');>> > wrote: > > > > Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a > mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. > > Mark > SM2K #275 > > http://www.creampuff.us/ > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge >> because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means >> the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do >> it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for >> 24 hrs and no improvement. >> Need some other suggestions. >> Kent >> SM243 Kristy >> Tiger Point Boat Yard >> Fernandina Beach FL >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < >> hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch');>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Kent >> buy a new one, safety first >> best regards >> Hanspeter >> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >> Krusadasi, Turkey >> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is >> a littel bit angry :-) >> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> >> >: >> >> >> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is >> rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of >> PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now >> I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> Kent >> SM 243 Kristy >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >> >> > >
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3j Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward? Not sure what the heat gun would do??? I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis? Thanks, Roque, Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@gmail.com> wrote: > > Alternatives to think about: > > > 1. Hydrochloric acid; > > 2. Heat gun; > > 3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this) > > Roque > S/Y Atica Amel 54 > > Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu: >> >> Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. >> I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! >> Keep em coming! >> Kent >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sledge hammer??? >>> >>> /Annsofie >>> Lady Annila SM 232 >>> >>> Skickat från min iPad >>> >>>> 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. >>>> Keep those ideas coming! >>>> Thanks, >>>> Kent >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> SM2K #275 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.creampuff.us/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>>>>> Need some other suggestions. >>>>>> Kent >>>>>> SM243 Kristy >>>>>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>>>>> Fernandina Beach FL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Kent >>>>>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>>>>> best regards >>>>>>> Hanspeter >>>>>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>>>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>>>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>>>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success.. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >>> >> Kent >>> >>> >> SM 243 Kristy >>> >>> >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >>> >> > >
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Hi Kent,
The bit at a time advice form someone sounds good, start at the free end and chip and pull chip and pull.

A warning about using acids in an enclosed space because of the gasses released. In our small community over some years a number of people have died entering or working in poorly ventilated hold areas on barges, and people entering to assist them have either died also or been seriously affected. I am aware of such cases world wide. Gases in confined spaces are not to be trifled with. Full hooded positive pressure respirators are needed unless the area has been very well ventilated before entry. If the physical methods don't work perhaps you should call in a pro. We Amel owners are far too busy sailing to take time out to attend your funeral.
As to prevention, when I notice my chain beginning to rust I get it re-galvanized before the rust eats it away and reduces it's strength. Just had my 100 metres (about 325ft) hot dip galvanized for NZ$400. New chain was around NZ$1200 to $1400 .
Wishing you the best of outcomes
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


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From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
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Thanks Danny, I'm looking for something like that now.  Will probably have to use acid and a jack hammer.
Kent
On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co..nz> wrote:
 
Hi Kent,
I like the idea of what I call a jack hammer, you see them on road work sites. Not one that big but they come in all sizes. the smallest are electric and then you move up to air operated. I would go for the biggest you could fit through the locker door and use with one arm.
Hope you work it out OK
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


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From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 29 March 2014 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386

 
I've looked at the local big box stores for a "chipper" or electric chisel, but haven't found anything. I'll look on line when I get home tomorrow.
Thanks again ,
Kent
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Dennis Johns <sbmesasailor@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Do you have access to a tool rental shop?  You might try to find an electric "chipper".  It's a small, hand-held hammer that accepts various bits.  Often used to remove tile from counters/floors.  I know you said you have limited access but maybe you can use it with one hand and not have to do the swinging action with a mallet. Another idea is to not use your windlass to haul the chain out but use block and tackle back to your winch.  Lifting the whole mass to the top of the chain locker and then dropping it a few times might break it up.


Dennis
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Digest #3386

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Feeling secure by gegcarter
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Re: Feeling secure by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Re: Feeling secure by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
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Prop Shaft Electrolysis by karkauai
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Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis by "sailormon" kimberlite1212
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Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by karkauai
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Roque"
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:
gegcarter
I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. Keith on Guma
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Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
That's a very creative way of solving that issue Keith. I'm impressed.
Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM, <gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage.
Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested.

Keith
on Guma

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Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Very nice done! What a good idea! But we can't figure out the lock solution. Can you post a better picture on that? Regards Annsofie & Jonas S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 10:42 skrev gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk: > > I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. > Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. > > Keith > on Guma > >
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Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
karkauai
I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel? I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically. Sigh, Kent SM243 Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"sailormon" kimberlite1212
Wow !! That looks awful. I use a galvanic isolator on my AC circuit and also have the pedestal turned on only one day a week. So far in 3 months in the marina in the Caribbean I have used one kilowatt of electric. There is a small zinc on the line cutter, and of course the 2 big ones on the rudder. I am very sorry for the condition of your prop shaft. I believe there should be a drawing of your c drive in the owners manual . I believe replacing the shaft is a big project. It is also possible that a neighbor is putting AC into the water.. Did you have the marina check your AC outlet on the pedestal and the water around your boat? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite SM 376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mailto:karkauai@yahoo..com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 3:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Electrolysis I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel?
I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically.
Sigh,
Kent
SM243
Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
karkauai
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. Any ideas? Thanks, Kent SM 243 Kristy Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:

I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL

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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:

Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Kent, What about something like Boeshield RustFree Rust and Stain Remover?
Perhaps a multiple application to a specific area will give you the break
you need to get the ball small enough. Mark
SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a
littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:



I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL


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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a
mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. Mark
SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a
littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:



I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL


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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:

Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

http://www.creampuff.us/ >

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical.. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar..
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Sledge hammer??? /Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. > Keep those ideas coming! > Thanks, > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >> >> Mark >> SM2K #275 >> >> http://www.creampuff.us/ >> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from
muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>> Need some other suggestions. >>> Kent >>> SM243 Kristy >>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>> Fernandina Beach FL >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Kent >>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>> best regards >>>> Hanspeter >>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>> >>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>> >>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right
now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> Kent >>> >> SM 243 Kristy >>> >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >> > >
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote:

Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it.. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

http://www.creampuff.us/ >>>

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Roque"
Alternatives to think about: 1. Hydrochloric acid; 2. Heat gun; 3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this) Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54 Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
escreveu: >

Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm
and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail..com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kanalmamman@hotmail.com');>>
wrote:



Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda
blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcerdos@gmail.com');>>
wrote:



Another thought.. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a
mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

http://www.creampuff.us/ >

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
wrote:


Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge
because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means
the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do
it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for
24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <
hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch');>>
wrote:



Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is
a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');>
:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is
rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of
PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now
I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL

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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kent Robertson" karkauai
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward? Not sure what the heat gun would do??? I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis? Thanks, Roque,
Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@gmail.com> wrote:

Alternatives to think about:


1. Hydrochloric acid;

2. Heat gun;

3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this)

Roque
S/Y Atica Amel 54

Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu:

Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there.
I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges!
Keep em coming!
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote:


Sledge hammer???

/Annsofie
Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it.. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time.
Keep those ideas coming!
Thanks,
Kent

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:


Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick.

Mark
SM2K #275

http://www.creampuff.us/ >>>>>

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement.
Need some other suggestions.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Tiger Point Boat Yard
Fernandina Beach FL


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote:


Hi Kent
buy a new one, safety first
best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 , SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey
(actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-)
I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>:


I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success.. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Kent, I share Danny's concerns about acidic fumes in an enclosed area, you do not want to breath that stuff. Assuming that your locker floors are not rotted out as mine were and do not need to be replaced, than one suggestion would definitely get your chain out in less than an hour start to finish. The port side locker is larger, using a sabre saw I would cut a square hole say 16 " x16' or 18"x18" , draw your lines ,drill a 1/4" hole in one of the corners for the blade and saw your hole, pull your chain out, scrub out your chain locker . Then take two pieces of 1"x4" two inches longer than the width of your hole, apply epoxy to the top of the 1x4 place on the underside of the locker on two sides leaving 1" exposed for the piece you cut out to rest upon, screw the pieces to the locker floor from above or from underneath. Once epoxy cures, place the cut out section in place and secure with a couple screws. Now you can access the chain locker in the future. I would also coat all the cut edges of the plywood with epoxy to seal them. As a contractor, I have patched many holes in floors, ceilings and walls using much the same method. This is one suggestion that will solve your problem with a minimum of time and expense. It sounds as though you have another problem that will require a little of both. I am sorry for your run of bad luck, the photo didn't look good, I have no suggestions for that one.
Good Luck,
Pat SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co.nz>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386








Hi Kent,
The bit at a time advice form someone sounds good, start at the free end and chip and pull chip and pull.


A warning about using acids in an enclosed space because of the gasses released. In our small community over some years a number of people have died entering or working in poorly ventilated hold areas on barges, and people entering to assist them have either died also or been seriously affected. I am aware of such cases world wide. Gases in confined spaces are not to be trifled with. Full hooded positive pressure respirators are needed unless the area has been very well ventilated before entry. If the physical methods don't work perhaps you should call in a pro. We Amel owners are far too busy sailing to take time out to attend your funeral.
As to prevention, when I notice my chain beginning to rust I get it re-galvanized before the rust eats it away and reduces it's strength. Just had my 100 metres (about 325ft) hot dip galvanized for NZ$400. New chain was around NZ$1200 to $1400 .
Wishing you the best of outcomes
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl





From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2014 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386







Thanks Danny, I'm looking for something like that now. Will probably have to use acid and a jack hammer.
Kent
On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co.nz> wrote:




Hi Kent,
I like the idea of what I call a jack hammer, you see them on road work sites. Not one that big but they come in all sizes. the smallest are electric and then you move up to air operated. I would go for the biggest you could fit through the locker door and use with one arm.
Hope you work it out OK
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl





From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 29 March 2014 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386







I've looked at the local big box stores for a "chipper" or electric chisel, but haven't found anything. I'll look on line when I get home tomorrow.
Thanks again ,
Kent
On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Dennis Johns <sbmesasailor@yahoo.com> wrote:



Do you have access to a tool rental shop? You might try to find an electric "chipper". It's a small, hand-held hammer that accepts various bits. Often used to remove tile from counters/floors. I know you said you have limited access but maybe you can use it with one hand and not have to do the swinging action with a mallet. Another idea is to not use your windlass to haul the chain out but use block and tackle back to your winch. Lifting the whole mass to the top of the chain locker and then dropping it a few times might break it up.


Dennis
sv Libertad



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Digest #3386









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Feeling secure by gegcarter





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Re: Feeling secure by "Kent Robertson" karkauai





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Re: Feeling secure by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila







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Prop Shaft Electrolysis by karkauai





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Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis by "sailormon" kimberlite1212







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Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by karkauai





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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig





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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai





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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head





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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head





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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai





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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila





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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai





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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Roque"





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Feeling secure





Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:

gegcarter




I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. Keith on Guma








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Re: Feeling secure





Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kent Robertson" karkauai




That's a very creative way of solving that issue Keith. I'm impressed. Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM, <gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. > Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. > > Keith > on Guma > >








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Re: Feeling secure





Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila




Very nice done! What a good idea! But we can't figure out the lock solution. Can you post a better picture on that? Regards Annsofie & Jonas S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 10:42 skrev gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk: > > I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. > Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. > > Keith > on Guma > >








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Prop Shaft Electrolysis





Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

karkauai




I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel? I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically. Sigh, Kent SM243 Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL








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Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"sailormon" kimberlite1212




Wow !! That looks awful. I use a galvanic isolator on my AC circuit and also have the pedestal turned on only one day a week. So far in 3 months in the marina in the Caribbean I have used one kilowatt of electric. There is a small zinc on the line cutter, and of course the 2 big ones on the rudder. I am very sorry for the condition of your prop shaft. I believe there should be a drawing of your c drive in the owners manual . I believe replacing the shaft is a big project. It is also possible that a neighbor is putting AC into the water. Did you have the marina check your AC outlet on the pedestal and the water around your boat? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite SM 376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mailto:karkauai@yahoo..com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 3:01 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Electrolysis I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel? I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically. Sigh, Kent SM243 Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL








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Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker





Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

karkauai




I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. Any ideas? Thanks, Kent SM 243 Kristy Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL








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Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig




Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > >








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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker





Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kent Robertson" karkauai




Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. Need some other suggestions. Kent SM243 Kristy Tiger Point Boat Yard Fernandina Beach FL Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > >> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >> >> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> Kent >> SM 243 Kristy >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >> > >








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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker





Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head




Kent, What about something like Boeshield RustFree Rust and Stain Remover? Perhaps a multiple application to a specific area will give you the break you need to get the ball small enough.. Mark SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge > because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means > the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do > it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for > 24 hrs and no improvement. > Need some other suggestions. > Kent > SM243 Kristy > Tiger Point Boat Yard > Fernandina Beach FL > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < > hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a > littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is > rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker.. I've sprayed a ton of > PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now > I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > > >








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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker





Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head




Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. Mark SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge > because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means > the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do > it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for > 24 hrs and no improvement. > Need some other suggestions. > Kent > SM243 Kristy > Tiger Point Boat Yard > Fernandina Beach FL > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < > hanspeter.baettig@bluemail..ch> wrote: > > > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a > littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is > rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of > PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now > I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > > >








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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker





Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kent Robertson" karkauai




Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks, Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: > > Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. > > Mark > SM2K #275 > > http://www.creampuff.us/ > > >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical.. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >> Need some other suggestions. >> Kent >> SM243 Kristy >> Tiger Point Boat Yard >> Fernandina Beach FL >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Kent >>> buy a new one, safety first >>> best regards >>> Hanspeter >>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>> >>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>> >>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> > >>> > >>> > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.. >>> > Any ideas? >>> > Thanks, >>> > Kent >>> > SM 243 Kristy >>> > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> > >> > >








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Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker





Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila




Sledge hammer??? /Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. > Keep those ideas coming! > Thanks, > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >> >> Mark >> SM2K #275 >> >> http://www.creampuff.us/ >> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>> Need some other suggestions. >>> Kent >>> SM243 Kristy >>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>> Fernandina Beach FL >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Kent >>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>> best regards >>>> Hanspeter >>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>> >>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>> >>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success.. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> Kent >>> >> SM 243 Kristy >>> >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >> > >








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Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kent Robertson" karkauai




Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! Keep em coming! Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sledge hammer??? > > /Annsofie > Lady Annila SM 232 > > Skickat från min iPad > >> 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >> >> >> Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it.. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. >> Keep those ideas coming! >> Thanks, >> Kent >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >>> >>> Mark >>> SM2K #275 >>> >>> http://www.creampuff.us/ >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>>> Need some other suggestions. >>>> Kent >>>> SM243 Kristy >>>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>>> Fernandina Beach FL >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kent >>>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>>> best regards >>>>> Hanspeter >>>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>>> >>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>>> >>>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kent >>> >>> SM 243 Kristy >>> >>> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >>> > >








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Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

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Alternatives to think about: 1. Hydrochloric acid; 2. Heat gun; 3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this) Roque S/Y Atica Amel 54 Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu: > > > Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm > and ribs from squeezing in there. > I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! > Keep em coming! > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kanalmamman@hotmail.com');>> > wrote: > > > > Sledge hammer??? > > /Annsofie > Lady Annila SM 232 > > Skickat från min iPad > > 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> > >: > > > > Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda > blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. > Keep those ideas coming! > Thanks, > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcerdos@gmail.com');>> > wrote: > > > > Another thought.. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a > mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. > > Mark > SM2K #275 > > http://www.creampuff.us/ > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge >> because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means >> the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do >> it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for >> 24 hrs and no improvement. >> Need some other suggestions. >> Kent >> SM243 Kristy >> Tiger Point Boat Yard >> Fernandina Beach FL >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < >> hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch');>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Kent >> buy a new one, safety first >> best regards >> Hanspeter >> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >> Krusadasi, Turkey >> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is >> a littel bit angry :-) >> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> >> >: >> >> >> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is >> rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of >> PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now >> I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> Kent >> SM 243 Kristy >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >> >> > >








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Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kent Robertson" karkauai




What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward? Not sure what the heat gun would do??? I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis? Thanks, Roque, Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@gmail.com> wrote: > > Alternatives to think about: > > > 1. Hydrochloric acid; > > 2. Heat gun; > > 3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this) > > Roque > S/Y Atica Amel 54 > > Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu: >> >> Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. >> I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! >> Keep em coming! >> Kent >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sledge hammer??? >>> >>> /Annsofie >>> Lady Annila SM 232 >>> >>> Skickat från min iPad >>> >>>> 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. >>>> Keep those ideas coming! >>>> Thanks, >>>> Kent >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail..com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> SM2K #275 >>>>> >>>>> http://www..creampuff.us/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>>>>> Need some other suggestions. >>>>>> Kent >>>>>> SM243 Kristy >>>>>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>>>>> Fernandina Beach FL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Kent >>>>>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>>>>> best regards >>>>>>> Hanspeter >>>>>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>>>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>>>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>>>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success.. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >>> >> Kent >>> >>> >> SM 243 Kristy >>> >>> >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >>> >> > >








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Thanks again Danny and Patrick. I share your concerns and won't do the acid thing without professional advice/help. The port locker access certainly sounds doable and unless I'm completely convinced about the acid I will first try the "chipper/jackhammer" idea and if that doesn't work will make a new access via the bow locker.
I have a cousin who works for the Navy at the nearby sub base who thinks he can get a pneumatic "needle gun" that they use in similar projects. I'll let you know how it goes.

I do appreciate your concerns.
Kent

On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:46 PM, Patrick Mcaneny <sailw32@aol.com> wrote:

Kent, I share Danny's concerns about acidic fumes in an enclosed area, you do not want to breath that stuff. Assuming that your locker floors are not rotted out as mine were and do not need to be replaced, than one suggestion would definitely get your chain out in less than an hour start to finish. The port side locker is larger, using a sabre saw I would cut a square hole say 16 " x16' or 18"x18" , draw your lines ,drill a 1/4" hole in one of the corners for the blade and saw your hole, pull your chain out, scrub out your chain locker . Then take two pieces of 1"x4" two inches longer than the width of your hole, apply epoxy to the top of the 1x4 place on the underside of the locker on two sides leaving 1" exposed for the piece you cut out to rest upon, screw the pieces to the locker floor from above or from underneath. Once epoxy cures, place the cut out section in place and secure with a couple screws. Now you can access the chain locker in the future. I would also coat all the cut edges of the plywood with epoxy to seal them. As a contractor, I have patched many holes in floors, ceilings and walls using much the same method. This is one suggestion that will solve your problem with a minimum of time and expense. It sounds as though you have another problem that will require a little of both. I am sorry for your run of bad luck, the photo didn't look good, I have no suggestions for that one.
Good Luck,
Pat SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co.nz>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386


Hi Kent,
The bit at a time advice form someone sounds good, start at the free end and chip and pull chip and pull.

A warning about using acids in an enclosed space because of the gasses released. In our small community over some years a number of people have died entering or working in poorly ventilated hold areas on barges, and people entering to assist them have either died also or been seriously affected. I am aware of such cases world wide. Gases in confined spaces are not to be trifled with. Full hooded positive pressure respirators are needed unless the area has been very well ventilated before entry. If the physical methods don't work perhaps you should call in a pro. We Amel owners are far too busy sailing to take time out to attend your funeral.
As to prevention, when I notice my chain beginning to rust I get it re-galvanized before the rust eats it away and reduces it's strength. Just had my 100 metres (about 325ft) hot dip galvanized for NZ$400. New chain was around NZ$1200 to $1400 .
Wishing you the best of outcomes
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2014 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386

Thanks Danny, I'm looking for something like that now. Will probably have to use acid and a jack hammer.
Kent
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Kent,
I like the idea of what I call a jack hammer, you see them on road work sites. Not one that big but they come in all sizes. the smallest are electric and then you move up to air operated. I would go for the biggest you could fit through the locker door and use with one arm.
Hope you work it out OK
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 29 March 2014 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386

I've looked at the local big box stores for a "chipper" or electric chisel, but haven't found anything. I'll look on line when I get home tomorrow.
Thanks again ,
Kent
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Dennis Johns <sbmesasailor@yahoo.com> wrote:

Do you have access to a tool rental shop? You might try to find an electric "chipper". It's a small, hand-held hammer that accepts various bits. Often used to remove tile from counters/floors. I know you said you have limited access but maybe you can use it with one hand and not have to do the swinging action with a mallet. Another idea is to not use your windlass to haul the chain out but use block and tackle back to your winch. Lifting the whole mass to the top of the chain locker and then dropping it a few times might break it up.

Dennis
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15 Messages Digest #3386
1a Feeling secure by gegcarter
1b Re: Feeling secure by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
1c Re: Feeling secure by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
2a Prop Shaft Electrolysis by karkauai
2b Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis by "sailormon" kimberlite1212
3a Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by karkauai
3b Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
3c Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3d Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3e Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
3f Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3g Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
3h Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
3i Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Roque"
3j Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker by "Kent Robertson" karkauai
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1a Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 am (PDT) . Posted by: gegcarter
I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. Keith on Guma
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1b Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
That's a very creative way of solving that issue Keith. I'm impressed. Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM, <gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. > Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. > > Keith > on Guma > >
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1c Re: Feeling secure
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Very nice done! What a good idea! But we can't figure out the lock solution. Can you post a better picture on that? Regards Annsofie & Jonas S/Y Lady Annila. SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 10:42 skrev gegcarter@yahoo.co.uk: > > I have just posted photos of our new security system for the companionway. As you can see the feature can be used both when leaving the boat as a extra strength to locking the companionway and when inside the boat if you want air and wish to leave the companionway open but feel you are staying in perhaps a potentially unsafe anchorage. > Arcglow in Almerimar (Spain) can be contacted by email, arcglow@gmail.com, if anyone is interested. > > Keith > on Guma > >
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2a Prop Shaft Electrolysis
Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by: karkauai
I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel? I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically. Sigh, Kent SM243 Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "sailormon" kimberlite1212
Wow !! That looks awful. I use a galvanic isolator on my AC circuit and also have the pedestal turned on only one day a week. So far in 3 months in the marina in the Caribbean I have used one kilowatt of electric. There is a small zinc on the line cutter, and of course the 2 big ones on the rudder. I am very sorry for the condition of your prop shaft. I believe there should be a drawing of your c drive in the owners manual . I believe replacing the shaft is a big project. It is also possible that a neighbor is putting AC into the water. Did you have the marina check your AC outlet on the pedestal and the water around your boat? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite SM 376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mailto:karkauai@yahoo..com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 3:01 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Electrolysis I have just hauled Kristy out to repaint the bottom after 2 1/2 years. She's been sitting in the water in a marina at Brunswick GA for the last 2 years where I've hired a diver to clean the bottom and replace the zincs as needed every 4-6 weeks. I was surprised to see no zinc on the prop when we hauled out, and dismayed to see severe electrolytic corrosion of the prop shaft when I started changing the seals. I posted a pic at the KristySM243 folder https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/1877878820 I need advice on what is involved in removing the prop shaft. Is it necessary to remove the bottom of the drive aft of the keel? I guess I'm going to look into isolating the boat electrically. Sigh, Kent SM243 Currently Tiger Point Marina, Fernandina Beach, FL
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by: karkauai
I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. Any ideas? Thanks, Kent SM 243 Kristy Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "haspeter.baettig" hanspeterbaettig
Hi Kent buy a new one, safety first best regards Hanspeter Tamango 2 , SM #16 Krusadasi, Turkey (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > >
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. Need some other suggestions. Kent SM243 Kristy Tiger Point Boat Yard Fernandina Beach FL Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > >> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >> >> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> Kent >> SM 243 Kristy >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >> > >
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Kent, What about something like Boeshield RustFree Rust and Stain Remover? Perhaps a multiple application to a specific area will give you the break you need to get the ball small enough.. Mark SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge > because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means > the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do > it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for > 24 hrs and no improvement. > Need some other suggestions. > Kent > SM243 Kristy > Tiger Point Boat Yard > Fernandina Beach FL > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < > hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a > littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is > rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker.. I've sprayed a ton of > PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now > I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > > >
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. Mark SM2K #275 http://www.creampuff.us/ On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge > because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means > the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do > it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for > 24 hrs and no improvement. > Need some other suggestions. > Kent > SM243 Kristy > Tiger Point Boat Yard > Fernandina Beach FL > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < > hanspeter.baettig@bluemail..ch> wrote: > > > > Hi Kent > buy a new one, safety first > best regards > Hanspeter > Tamango 2 , SM #16 > Krusadasi, Turkey > (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a > littel bit angry :-) > I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > > > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is > rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of > PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now > I'm soaking it in Vinegar. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Kent > SM 243 Kristy > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL > > >
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3f Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. Keep those ideas coming! Thanks, Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: > > Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. > > Mark > SM2K #275 > > http://www.creampuff.us/ > > >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical.. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >> Need some other suggestions. >> Kent >> SM243 Kristy >> Tiger Point Boat Yard >> Fernandina Beach FL >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Kent >>> buy a new one, safety first >>> best regards >>> Hanspeter >>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>> >>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>> >>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> > >>> > >>> > I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar.. >>> > Any ideas? >>> > Thanks, >>> > Kent >>> > SM 243 Kristy >>> > Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> > >> > >
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3g Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Ann-Sofie Svanberg" ladyannila
Sledge hammer??? /Annsofie Lady Annila SM 232 Skickat från min iPad > 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: > > Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. > Keep those ideas coming! > Thanks, > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >> >> Mark >> SM2K #275 >> >> http://www.creampuff.us/ >> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>> Need some other suggestions. >>> Kent >>> SM243 Kristy >>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>> Fernandina Beach FL >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Kent >>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>> best regards >>>> Hanspeter >>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>> >>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>> >>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success.. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> Kent >>> >> SM 243 Kristy >>> >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >> > >
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3h Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! Keep em coming! Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sledge hammer??? > > /Annsofie > Lady Annila SM 232 > > Skickat från min iPad > >> 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >> >> >> Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it.. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. >> Keep those ideas coming! >> Thanks, >> Kent >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >>> >>> Mark >>> SM2K #275 >>> >>> http://www.creampuff.us/ >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>>> Need some other suggestions. >>>> Kent >>>> SM243 Kristy >>>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>>> Fernandina Beach FL >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kent >>>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>>> best regards >>>>> Hanspeter >>>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>>> >>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>>> >>>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kent >>> >>> SM 243 Kristy >>> >>> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >>> > >
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3i Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Roque"
Alternatives to think about: 1. Hydrochloric acid; 2. Heat gun; 3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this) Roque S/Y Atica Amel 54 Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu: > > > Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm > and ribs from squeezing in there. > I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! > Keep em coming! > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kanalmamman@hotmail.com');>> > wrote: > > > > Sledge hammer??? > > /Annsofie > Lady Annila SM 232 > > Skickat från min iPad > > 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> > >: > > > > Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda > blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. > Keep those ideas coming! > Thanks, > Kent > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcerdos@gmail.com');>> > wrote: > > > > Another thought.. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a > mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. > > Mark > SM2K #275 > > http://www.creampuff.us/ > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge >> because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means >> the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do >> it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for >> 24 hrs and no improvement. >> Need some other suggestions. >> Kent >> SM243 Kristy >> Tiger Point Boat Yard >> Fernandina Beach FL >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" < >> hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch');>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Kent >> buy a new one, safety first >> best regards >> Hanspeter >> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >> Krusadasi, Turkey >> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is >> a littel bit angry :-) >> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karkauai@yahoo.com');> >> >: >> >> >> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is >> rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of >> PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success. Right now >> I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks, >> Kent >> SM 243 Kristy >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >> >> > >
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3j Re: Rusted Ball of Chain in the Chain Locker
Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Kent Robertson" karkauai
What does everyone think about Hydrochloric acid? No damage to the hull? Fumes? How to get rid of it afterward? Not sure what the heat gun would do??? I don't understand what you're talking about with electrolysis? Thanks, Roque, Kent Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Roque <ediroque@gmail.com> wrote: > > Alternatives to think about: > > > 1. Hydrochloric acid; > > 2. Heat gun; > > 3. Electrolysis (maybe you won't have enough room for this) > > Roque > S/Y Atica Amel 54 > > Em sexta-feira, 28 de março de 2014, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> escreveu: >> >> Been there and done that. Such a small access that I'm bruised on the arm and ribs from squeezing in there. >> I hit the mass with a 5 lb hammer and nothing budges! >> Keep em coming! >> Kent >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sledge hammer??? >>> >>> /Annsofie >>> Lady Annila SM 232 >>> >>> Skickat från min iPad >>> >>>> 28 mar 2014 kl. 18:50 skrev "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> Never heard of that product Mark, but I'll see if I can find it. Soda blasting would only hot the surface, but maybe could help a bit at a time. >>>> Keep those ideas coming! >>>> Thanks, >>>> Kent >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail..com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Another thought. Since you are in a yard - soda blasting? It would be a mess to clean up but it would probably do the trick. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> SM2K #275 >>>>> >>>>> http://www..creampuff.us/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Problem is getting the old one out of the chain locker. It won't budge because it's all rusted together. The limited access to the locker means the fix has to be chemical rather than mechanical. Acid would probably do it but fumes from muriatic acid would every toxic. I soaked it vinegar for 24 hrs and no improvement. >>>>>> Need some other suggestions. >>>>>> Kent >>>>>> SM243 Kristy >>>>>> Tiger Point Boat Yard >>>>>> Fernandina Beach FL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "haspeter.baettig" <hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Kent >>>>>>> buy a new one, safety first >>>>>>> best regards >>>>>>> Hanspeter >>>>>>> Tamango 2 , SM #16 >>>>>>> Krusadasi, Turkey >>>>>>> (actual with out twitter and youtube, mr erdogan, Prminister of Tukey is a littel bit angry :-) >>>>>>> I think to leave Turkey, Greek is only a few miles away >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 28.03.2014 um 20:03 schrieb <karkauai@yahoo.com>: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> I've also discovered that the last 100ft or so of my anchor chain is rusted into a huge solid mass in the chain locker. I've sprayed a ton of PB Blaster on it and beat it with a hammer without much success.. Right now I'm soaking it in Vinegar. >>> >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >>> >> Kent >>> >>> >> SM 243 Kristy >>> >>> >> Currently Tiger Point Marina Fernandina Beach, FL >>> >>> >> > >
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alainfeuillet@...
 

Hi Kent,
if the "needle gun" does not make it, in your situation I would use a small angle-grinder to cut the knots. A small one allows to use it with one hand through the port locker manhole.
Better: both in cunjunction;
Hope you will make it without too much pain.
Alain


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

Alain has the solution. A handheld grinder/cutter with a really good blade. This way you can cut it out in chunks that fit through the access panel. Find yourself a young boy, show him how to do it and sit back and let it happen.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:49 AM, <alainfeuillet@...> wrote:
 

Hi Kent,
if the "needle gun" does not make it, in your situation I would use a small angle-grinder to cut the knots. A small one allows to use it with one hand through the port locker manhole.
Better: both in cunjunction;
Hope you will make it without too much pain.
Alain



karkauai
 

Thanks Alain,
I will take both when I get started again next weekend.
Kent


On Mar 30, 2014, at 3:49 AM, <alainfeuillet@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,
if the "needle gun" does not make it, in your situation I would use a small angle-grinder to cut the knots. A small one allows to use it with one hand through the port locker manhole.
Better: both in cunjunction;
Hope you will make it without too much pain.
Alain


karkauai
 

There have to be child protection laws about that here in the US.  Maybe a small Asian would fit in there?  I'll go on Craig's List.
K


On Mar 30, 2014, at 3:53 AM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Alain has the solution. A handheld grinder/cutter with a really good blade. This way you can cut it out in chunks that fit through the access panel. Find yourself a young boy, show him how to do it and sit back and let it happen.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:49 AM, <alainfeuillet@...> wrote:
 

Hi Kent,
if the "needle gun" does not make it, in your situation I would use a small angle-grinder to cut the knots. A small one allows to use it with one hand through the port locker manhole.
Better: both in cunjunction;
Hope you will make it without too much pain.
Alain



seafeverofcuan@...
 

Hi Kent ,
            Sorry to hear you are having so much trouble, either of those problems could lie in wait for any of us.
Thinking about your back, if you can rent a small battery powered 4 inch grinder tape it to a short pole or piece of wood then it should be easier to get inside the locker.
Better to stuff any old material that will not ignite in there as well to absorb the hot pieces of metal as they will stick on to your gel coat.
Good luck.
Trevor 
Seafever
Ireland


karkauai
 

Thanks Trevor, Hadn't thought of the hot metal being a problem.  I'm looking at small grinders and "chippers" or electric or pneumatic chisels right now.  I'll let you all know what I come up with when I find something that works.
Kent



From: "seafeverofcuan@..."
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Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3386

 
Hi Kent ,
            Sorry to hear you are having so much trouble, either of those problems could lie in wait for any of us.
Thinking about your back, if you can rent a small battery powered 4 inch grinder tape it to a short pole or piece of wood then it should be easier to get inside the locker.
Better to stuff any old material that will not ignite in there as well to absorb the hot pieces of metal as they will stick on to your gel coat.
Good luck.
Trevor 
Seafever
Ireland