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dear group, we am looking for a balooner for our 1995 Santorin, should be like the original that can be used in the “amel twin sail configuration”. We purchased KALI MERA without the balooner and want to equip it now. Are there any recommendations where to buy a new (or used?) one and what budget is needed for that? KALI MERA is currently in Turkey, is there any information about sailmakers in turkey that can produce this sail? Any hints are more than welcome Thanks, herbert Tadeja and Herbert KALI MERA, SN120, Kusadasi
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Hi Herbert Just a thought, You could take down the Genoa measure it as the Balloner is supposed to be a mirror of it. Then send of the measurements to some of the Far Eastern Sail Makers such as Rolly Tasker, Hong Kong Sail Makers, or Lee Sails and ask for a quote. The only question thaIt I would have is the sail cloth weight. But give the various sailmakers the wind strength you expect to use the sail in and they will probably give a recommendation as to the cloth weight. As a downwind sail plan, its hard to beat the combination of Genoa and Balloner. Regards Joe
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Herbert, I think what Joe said will work and you have a sailmaker in Turkey with similar pricing to Rolly Tasker and in my experience, much better quality: qsail"at"gsails.com. QSails in Izmir owned by Tashin OGE.
Or, contact sailmaker and Amel owner, Dave Benjamin. He is a member of this Group. I am sure that he can make exactly what you need and ship it to Turkey.
You will need the plastic hook for the top of the sail and the mouse de-hooker to lower the sail. I assume both of these are available from Amel. The Ballooner is light weight Dacron similar to material used on a spinnaker.
Bill
BeBe 387
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Craig Briggs
Hi Herb, Good suggestion from Joe to use the genoa as a template. I used UK Sails in Turkey - best quality and super price (1135 euro for a new main sail) and they will come out to measure. I believe the originals from Gatef were 3/4 oz spinnaker cloth. UK guy is Hulki Oruz. Tel 0252 382 6865 email: hulki@... Tell him I sent you and he'll charge you full price :-) I recommend him heartily. Cheers, Craig Briggs SN #68 "Sangaris", in Santa Margherita, IT -
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Craig Briggs
The email address seems to have been concatenated by Yahoo - it is hulki at oruz dot org. or write to uksailmakers dot com dot tr. ---In amely -achtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote : Hi Herb, Good suggestion from Joe to use the genoa as a template. I used UK Sails in Turkey - best quality and super price (1135 euro for a new main sail) and they will come out to measure. I believe the originals from Gatef were 3/4 oz spinnaker cloth. UK guy is Hulki Oruz. Tel 0252 382 6865 email: hulki@... Tell him I sent you and he'll charge you full price :-) I recommend him heartily. Cheers, Craig Briggs SN #68 "Sangaris", in Santa Margherita, IT -
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Herbert, I'm a sailmaker who up until recently owned a Maramu and has experience with the original balooners. Some of the furlers like the one on the Super Maramu allow you to fly the balooner from the second groove and furl the sails together. However if you don't have that style furler, then it's not as practical since you will have lower the sail and stow it. Given available hardware and technology, I would be much more inclined to build a set of balooners with a common luff and fly them from a foil-less furler with the genoa rolled up. Or build a single sail that can be flown in conjunction with the genoa, but on a foil-less furler. Some people call the foil-less furlers "code zero furlers". I do not recommend following the well intentioned advice of those suggesting to just measure the genoa. The boat is old enough that the genoa is probably not original. Many sailmakers don't understand Amel and the genoas they build simply aren't right for the boat. Which ever sailmaker you choose to work with should be someone familiar with Amel.
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The Santorin as far as I'm aware was not fitted with the the super maramu top furler fittings, as standard, but with a second tie of point, above the second foil groove. I've flown the Balloner on the Santorin using two different methods. The first for long down wind passages, is to bring down the genoa and tie of the Balloner to the top furler fitting and host the two sails together, in this way both sails can be furled in together. On short runs, the balloner can be hoisted seperately, once the genoa is fully out. Both systems require practice, but with the second method I would not recommend it for a crew of two. I have to say that its a fantastic addition to the sail kit of an Amel. Regards Joe
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Aras Grinius <n33077@...>
AS I recall reading, there is a "mouse" attachment that should be when flying a ballooner. The way I understand it is that the mouse releases the halyard when you need to furl the sail. Never havin seen one, much less flown one, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the concept.
On my Sharki, I finally got the outrigger poles lines squared away (or nearly so), got a new jib made; now I'm turning my attention to a ballooner. I think I have one, but haven't pulled it out yet as I didn't have enough stuff to fly it. From reading all the blogs the mouse
seems quite important.
So a couple of things would be nice:
1) a photo of the mouse contraption 2) details on hoe to rig it and use a ballooner.
I downloaded a SM manual for reference, but do not recall seeing the sail setup.
Thanks
Aras S/V FIASCO 19888
Sharki
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Craig Briggs
Joe, My Santorin, #68 from 1992, does indeed have the same upper swivel as the SM, with 3 slots in the furling extrusion; one for the genoa, one for the ballooner and one for the "mouse" to unlatch the ballooner. Of many Santorin's we've sailed with over the years, all had this arrangement. What hull number did you have that did not have this system? Sounds really oddball to try to raise two head sails at the same time. Cheers, Craig, SN#68 Sangaris, Genoa, Italy. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <joemac4sail@...> wrote : The Santorin as far as I'm aware was not fitted with the the super maramu top furler fittings, as standard, but with a second tie of point, above the second foil groove. I've flown the Balloner on the Santorin using two different methods. The first for long down wind passages, is to bring down the genoa and tie of the Balloner to the top furler fitting and host the two sails together, in this way both sails can be furled in together. On short runs, the balloner can be hoisted seperately, once the genoa is fully out. Both systems require practice, but with the second method I would not recommend it for a crew of two. I have to say that its a fantastic addition to the sail kit of an Amel. Regards Joe
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