[Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Staysail


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Eric,

You will find some pictures of the Stay Sail installed by the previous (previous) owner on: http://nikimat.com/staysail.html
If I remember correctly he installed it in 2010.

He own SM2K #289 for 12 year, then there was a brief owner for 6 months, then myself since 2012.
In my opinion he is a very knowledgeable sailor, own several Amel (Mango, Santorin, SM2K and currently a 54).
He crossed numerous time the Atlantic with #289, etc.

Personally, I think he did a clever job with the way he attached it through the deck (with minor support there) and to the hull, as this will avoir any pull of the deck.
Of course you have running backstay.

The only mistake I saw is the design of the "sail" as it requires the sheet to be pointed down, which require to add track on the deck.
I think the sail should have been design with a point of leech toward the winches.
Since (in my opinion) anything different than original equipment or design decreases the value of a vessel, I haven't commited yet to add track.

If there was no staysail, I am not sure I would add one.
But after 10 years of owner the vessel, he clearly felt the need for it, and the 54 and 55 have one as well.

Sure it will allow to use a smaller sail in stronger wind, but in the only 4 years I only have been 1.5 days in 37 knots of wind and 2 reef on the genoa was sufficient.
I am not sure (even if properly rigged) if the staysail would allow to sail much closer to the wind. A few times, I sail with the sheet "inside" the shroud, and genoa unfurl to the mast and obtained better results than with the staysail.

The main disadvantage is to tack.
It is NOT possible to have the genoa going through the small space in between the staysail and genoa.
So single handed like myself: I have to got close to the wind, furl in the genoa, then go off the wind, regain some speed, then tack, then unfurl.
If you have 2 crew with you, then you can do it with coordination.
Jibbing is possible, but I still furl it partially (again being single handed and not needing problem).

I don't know how the design on the 54 and 55 is and if they have the same issue to tack.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, New Providence, Nassau, The Bahamas.



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On Thu, 8/28/14, eric kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Staysail
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2014, 10:51 PM


 









Alexandre,I was looking at your website
and noticed that Nikimat is cutter rigged.Could
you please send me as many photos of the staysail setup. the
under deck reinforcements and how the stay is connected to
the mast. also the cars and how the halyard is rigged. do
you have running backstays.Thank you
!!Fair winds,Ericsm 376
Kimnberlite   On
Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 03:21 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]
wrote:  
 









Just took some pictures of the Espar.



Hope this helps:

http://nikimat.com/espar_d5lc.html



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Bay Street Marina, Nassau, The Bahamas



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On Thu, 8/28/14, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@telemed.co.uk
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Thursday, August 28, 2014, 3:29 AM





 



























I would be

interested in this also – Andrew



 





From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]





Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:02 AM



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar

Heater





 

 









Yeah, I am not on board for

another week but can send you a photo. It provides the

shortest route to the Espar and is sealed off by a close

fitting grp lid . Ian









To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:12:24 -0400



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater















Hi Ian and

Judy,

Thanks for the info. I

noticed from the photos that I took when I was on
Penazen

that your heater seems to take the air from the side of
the

cockpit seat . Is that correct?

Fair

Winds

Eric

 

 

 





From:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]





Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:41 AM



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar

Heater





 

 









Hi Eric,  we have the

D5LC 24volt. It's 14 years old and Espar may  now
have

a different one. Wonderful bit of kit. We ran it every
day

in Chile and still use it in the Med.





We also used two domestic fan heaters, 220v , 2kw each.
Run

both those and the Espar and your boat will be dry and
warm

in an instant.



Oh, and don't forget the aircon heaters, though they

aren't hugely effective when it's really cold ,
but

good for ventilating the boat.



Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu







To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:52:06 -0400



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater













I would like to know

what model number of an  espar heater that has been

 factory installed by Amel on super maramus. I already
have

the fresh air system with ductwork installed. I just
wonder

what model some of you have on your Super

Maramu and is it sufficient to heat the boat in very
cold

climates?





Fair winds,





Eric





Sm 376 Kimberlite





 







 









































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Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Alexandre,

 

Brava also has a staysail, installed by the previous owner.  Like yours, the deck fitting is reinforced below decks and attached to a turnbuckle that is anchored to the floor of the portside sail locker. In order to do this, a waterproof hatch was installed in the base of the portside sail locker, giving access to the chain locker to attach the reinforcement from below.  However, in the case of Brava the reinforcement does not extend the next level into the keel of the bow, so there is no through-hull fitting.  Prior to purchase, I had a certified surveyor examine this set-up for strength and fitness of purpose, and he gave it the OK.

 

My previous owner originally installed a manual roller reefing system for the staysail, but a year or so later converted to an electrical furling system that has the control on the same cockpit panel as the other roller reefing controls - much less work and fewer lines running aft!

 

Like NIKIMAT, Brava has the recommended running backstays, the windward of which I employ every time the staysail is in use.

 

What may be interesting for you to consider is that Brava's previous owner did not install any track on the foredeck for the staysail leads, but instead used a barber-hauler setup (rings that create an adjustable point for the staysail sheet to run through).  The barber hauler rings, one on each side, are attached to a line that runs through a block at the base of the mast and thence aft back to the starboard deck cleat. This allows "inside the shrouds" sheets for the staysail without making any permanent changes to the foredeck.

 

I agree with your tacking strategy when you have a staysail shroud in the way of the genoa.  I too partially furl the genoa prior to tacking, and unfurl again after the boat goes through the eye of the wind. 

 

Derick

 

SM2K #400 "Brava"


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Derick,

Thank you so much for your message!
I didn't know of the barber-hauler.
But I came up with a similar system (I just added 2 pictures at the bottom): http://nikimat.com/staysail.html

You can see where the sheet should be pointing.
Personally I am not too crazy of my system.
Not sure this is also good for the cleats and the line (my old outhaul line on 1 side) stretch so the block goes up.

When you get the chance, could you please take pictures of your set-up?
Especially the block at the base of the mast.

Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, Nassau, Bahamas


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On Thu, 9/4/14, derickgates@comcast.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Staysail
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014, 1:10 PM


 









Alexandre, Brava also has a
staysail, installed by the previous owner.  Like yours, the
deck fitting is reinforced below decks and attached to a
turnbuckle that is anchored to the floor of the portside
sail locker. In order to do this, a waterproof hatch was
installed in the base of the portside sail locker, giving
access to the chain locker to attach the reinforcement from
below.  However, in the case of Brava the reinforcement
does not extend the next level into the keel of the bow, so
there is no through-hull fitting.  Prior to purchase, I had
a certified surveyor examine this set-up for strength and
fitness of purpose, and he gave it the OK. My
previous owner originally installed a manual roller reefing
system for the staysail, but a year or so later converted
to an electrical furling system that has the control on the
same cockpit panel as the other roller reefing controls -
much less work and fewer lines running
aft! Like NIKIMAT, Brava has the recommended
running backstays, the windward of which I employ every
time the staysail is in use. What may be
interesting for you to consider is that Brava's previous
owner did not install any track on the foredeck for the
staysail leads, but instead used a barber-hauler setup
(rings that create an adjustable point for the staysail
sheet to run through).  The barber hauler rings, one on
each side, are attached to a line that runs through a block
at the base of the mast and thence aft back to the starboard
deck cleat. This allows "inside the shrouds"
sheets for the staysail without making any permanent changes
to the foredeck. I agree with your tacking
strategy when you have a staysail shroud in the way of the
genoa.  I too partially furl the genoa prior to tacking,
and unfurl again after the boat goes through the eye of
the wind.  Derick SM2K #400
"Brava"


Alan Leslie
 

I saw 2 Super Maramus in Vuda Pt with staysails.

RevedeLune IV has two short tracks on the deck very close to the cabin top
Pacific Cool has two short tracks on the cabin top.

We have a staysail also and I have mounted snatchblocks on shackles at the main chain plates.
The sheets are outside the forward shroud and inside the main shroud.
The sail can't sheet inside the fwd shroud unless it is furled.
We only use the staysail in tough weather and in those conditions sailing very close hauled is not my preference but by moving the sheets inside the fwd shroud and only 2/3 of the staysail out we can if needed sail close hauled.

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437
Robinson Crusoe Island, Viti Levu, Fiji 


Eric Freedman
 

Alexandre,

Thank you for taking the time to take all the photos.

They are wonderful.

Thank you again

Eric

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 7:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Staysail

 

 

Good afternoon Eric,

You will find some pictures of the Stay Sail installed by the previous (previous) owner on: http://nikimat.com/staysail.html
If I remember correctly he installed it in 2010.

He own SM2K #289 for 12 year, then there was a brief owner for 6 months, then myself since 2012.
In my opinion he is a very knowledgeable sailor, own several Amel (Mango, Santorin, SM2K and currently a 54).
He crossed numerous time the Atlantic with #289, etc.

Personally, I think he did a clever job with the way he attached it through the deck (with minor support there) and to the hull, as this will avoir any pull of the deck.
Of course you have running backstay.

The only mistake I saw is the design of the "sail" as it requires the sheet to be pointed down, which require to add track on the deck.
I think the sail should have been design with a point of leech toward the winches.
Since (in my opinion) anything different than original equipment or design decreases the value of a vessel, I haven't commited yet to add track.

If there was no staysail, I am not sure I would add one.
But after 10 years of owner the vessel, he clearly felt the need for it, and the 54 and 55 have one as well.

Sure it will allow to use a smaller sail in stronger wind, but in the only 4 years I only have been 1.5 days in 37 knots of wind and 2 reef on the genoa was sufficient.
I am not sure (even if properly rigged) if the staysail would allow to sail much closer to the wind. A few times, I sail with the sheet "inside" the shroud, and genoa unfurl to the mast and obtained better results than with the staysail.

The main disadvantage is to tack.
It is NOT possible to have the genoa going through the small space in between the staysail and genoa.
So single handed like myself: I have to got close to the wind, furl in the genoa, then go off the wind, regain some speed, then tack, then unfurl.
If you have 2 crew with you, then you can do it with coordination.
Jibbing is possible, but I still furl it partially (again being single handed and not needing problem).

I don't know how the design on the 54 and 55 is and if they have the same issue to tack.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, New Providence, Nassau, The Bahamas.

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On Thu, 8/28/14, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Staysail
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2014, 10:51 PM


 









Alexandre,I was looking at your website
and noticed that Nikimat is cutter rigged.Could
you please send me as many photos of the staysail setup. the
under deck reinforcements and how the stay is connected to
the mast. also the cars and how the halyard is rigged. do
you have running backstays.Thank you
!!Fair winds,Ericsm 376
Kimnberlite   On
Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 03:21 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:  
 









Just took some pictures of the Espar.



Hope this helps:

http://nikimat.com/espar_d5lc.html



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Bay Street Marina, Nassau, The Bahamas



--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 8/28/14, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Date: Thursday, August 28, 2014, 3:29 AM





 



























I would be

interested in this also – Andrew



 





From: amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]





Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:02 AM



To: amelyachtowners@...



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar

Heater





 

 









Yeah, I am not on board for

another week but can send you a photo. It provides the

shortest route to the Espar and is sealed off by a close

fitting grp lid . Ian









To:

amelyachtowners@...



From: amelyachtowners@...



Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:12:24 -0400



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater















Hi Ian and

Judy,

Thanks for the info. I

noticed from the photos that I took when I was on
Penazen

that your heater seems to take the air from the side of
the

cockpit seat . Is that correct?

Fair

Winds

Eric

 

 

 





From:

amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]





Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:41 AM



To: amelyachtowners@...



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar

Heater





 

 









Hi Eric,  we have the

D5LC 24volt. It's 14 years old and Espar may  now
have

a different one. Wonderful bit of kit. We ran it every
day

in Chile and still use it in the Med.





We also used two domestic fan heaters, 220v , 2kw each.
Run

both those and the Espar and your boat will be dry and
warm

in an instant.



Oh, and don't forget the aircon heaters, though they

aren't hugely effective when it's really cold ,
but

good for ventilating the boat.



Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu







To:

amelyachtowners@...



From: amelyachtowners@...



Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:52:06 -0400



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar Heater













I would like to know

what model number of an  espar heater that has been

 factory installed by Amel on super maramus. I already
have

the fresh air system with ductwork installed. I just
wonder

what model some of you have on your Super

Maramu and is it sufficient to heat the boat in very
cold

climates?





Fair winds,





Eric





Sm 376 Kimberlite





 







 









































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Eric Freedman
 

Hi Alan

Could you send me photos of your setup?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 2:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Staysail

 

 

I saw 2 Super Maramus in Vuda Pt with staysails.

 

RevedeLune IV has two short tracks on the deck very close to the cabin top

Pacific Cool has two short tracks on the cabin top.

 

We have a staysail also and I have mounted snatchblocks on shackles at the main chain plates.

The sheets are outside the forward shroud and inside the main shroud.

The sail can't sheet inside the fwd shroud unless it is furled.

We only use the staysail in tough weather and in those conditions sailing very close hauled is not my preference but by moving the sheets inside the fwd shroud and only 2/3 of the staysail out we can if needed sail close hauled.

 

Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437

Robinson Crusoe Island, Viti Levu, Fiji 

 


Alan Leslie
 

H Eric,

I've sent a pile of pics and miscellaneous ramblings to you directly by email - if there's any way I can help further, just email me...

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437
Fiji


Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Alan
I would be most interested to look at your pictures and notes too. Please could you forward that email with pics too on to me as well at  colin.cruisingpoint@...
Much appreciated
Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II # SM #332


On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:27 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

H Eric,


I've sent a pile of pics and miscellaneous ramblings to you directly by email - if there's any way I can help further, just email me...

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437
Fiji




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Hi all,

I have just posted a few pictures of the staysail attachment points and under deck reinforcements used for the ProFurl electric staysail furler on Brava.  I need to further post how the barber hauler works in running the staysail sheets aft, but I do not yet have pictures of that setup.  I will try to post the barber hauler pictures soon after I return to the boat in January, 2015.

Although installed by the previous owner, I have used the staysail a few times in heavy weather (greater than 25 knots).  I have not yet made a study of the benefits in going to windward, but there does seem to be some advantage in ability to sail closer to the wind, compared with using the genoa.

Hope these photos are useful.

Derick
SM2K #400. Brava


Alan Leslie
 

Hi Colin,

Sure I can do that if you can give me your email address...
colin.cruisingpoint@... doesn't work

Cheeers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437
Fiji


Alan Leslie
 

But you'll have to be quick...we clear out for Noumea tomorrow morning !

Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437
Fiji


Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Alan
Please send to colin.d.streeter@... instead then. No urgency if I have missed you.
Wishing you great sailing conditions
Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, SM#332
Mackay, Australia

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:55 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

But you'll have to be quick...we clear out for Noumea tomorrow morning !


Cheers
Alan
SV Elyse SM437
Fiji




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


bent_jyllinge
 

What about backstays? I would expect that this was required, at least in heavy weather?


Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Colin, I think Alan was telling you that Yahoo truncates email addresses from your email and he does not know what comes after the @ symbol.  You will have to spell it out for him using  "at" instead of "@".

 

Derick


Jose_Luis Isasi
 


Same issue with any address.

You need to spell it in a way is does not look like an email address. I guess Derick advice is ok.

Group Moderator


Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Bent, My post of 29/09/14 gives an answer as follows:-
,
In case it helps, on my previous boat, an Oyster 435 I had an inner forestay fitted but it was fixed less than three feet from the top of the mast to avoid the need for running backstays. This was on the advice of Oyster and they called a slutter rig. I too would be interested to see how and where to fit the track  on the deck of an SM2K. The only problem with it was that the new fixings for the inner forestay or sheave box projected into the mast and chafed through a headstay halyard. However the rigger returned and fixed that problem. The purchaser of that boat sailed around the world on it without problems with it.
 
                    Regards,  Anne and John,  Bali Hai,  SM 319,  For sale in Malta
 

Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Staysail
 
 

What about backstays? I would expect that this was required, at least in heavy weather?


alainfeuillet@...
 

Hello all,
last winter in Marmaris, we equipped Pilgrim with an inner forestay, furler and staysail (27 sqm). I created a folder with pictures taken during initial tests at sea.

SM2K Pilgrim's inner staysail https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948654765

 


You can notice that the upper fitting is installed 50cm below mast head, avoiding running backstays. This design has been validated by Amel. As alreaday mentionned we have to furl the genoa during the tack changes... that's a compromise but not an issue because we have time and do not make regatta. If we need to change sevral time of tack in a narrow space with windy conditions, we use the staysail noth the genoa.
The lower fitting is in the same area as Brava but we a simplified below deck reinforcement. We will be back to Pilgrim end of this month and then able to provide additional pictures if some of us are interested.
The sheet relay pulley bracket is attached on the side of the roof, close to the main bulkhead in a very stiff area. Inside the boat, one bracket is in the electrical small upper locker in the toilet on one side  on the otherand the wardrobe No need for roller track or complicated:expensive stuff.
You can see on the pictures that we get an angle very closed to the wind. Sometimes I use the counter sheet to close the angle even more.
Results: I succeeded to furl the genoa and open the staysail in less than 1 mn allowing good comparison; true wind around 20 knots, swell below 1m.
  • Speed: same with genoa and staysail, slightly better with staysail
  • Heel average: genoa 20°, staysail 10°
  • TWA: genoa 50°, staysail 42°

We get more comfort and above all our next genoa will be much less sollicitated.

All this was done with a very good cooperation spirit with local UK Sails team that I warmly recommmend.

Hope it helps

Alain

PILGRIM SM2K #26


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Alain,

That is pretty nice you don't need any running backstay!
I noted you mentioned heel average 20° with the genoa, unless I am mistaking I believe the longer waterline is at 15°, so personally I try to heel at 15° as much as I can.
8° gained from true wind is pretty good!!!

On the last picture, what is the blue ? near the mizzen mast? Almost looks like a furled sail?

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Nassau, Bahamas


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On Fri, 9/12/14, alainfeuillet@laposte.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Staysail
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 12, 2014, 8:45 AM


 









Hello all,
last winter in Marmaris,
we equipped Pilgrim with an inner forestay, furler and
staysail (27 sqm). I created a folder with pictures taken
during initial tests at sea.

SM2K Pilgrim's inner staysail https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948654765 


You can notice that
the upper fitting is installed 50cm below mast head,
avoiding running backstays. This design has been validated
by Amel. As alreaday mentionned we have to furl the genoa
during the tack changes... that's a compromise but not
an issue because we have time and do not make regatta. If we
need to change sevral time of tack in a narrow space with
windy conditions, we use the staysail noth the genoa.
The lower fitting is in the same area as Brava
but we a simplified below deck reinforcement. We will be
back to Pilgrim end of this month and then able to provide
additional pictures if some of us are interested.
The sheet relay pulley bracket is attached on
the side of the roof, close to the main bulkhead in a very
stiff area. Inside the boat, one bracket is in the
electrical small upper locker in the toilet on one side  on
the otherand the wardrobe No need for roller track or
complicated:expensive stuff.
You can see on
the pictures that we get an angle very closed to the wind.
Sometimes I use the counter sheet to close the angle even
more.
Results: I succeeded to furl the genoa
and open the staysail in less than 1 mn allowing good
comparison; true wind around 20 knots, swell below 1m.
Speed: same with genoa and
staysail, slightly better with staysail
Heel average: genoa 20°, staysail
10°TWA: genoa 50°, staysail 42°We
get more comfort and above all our next genoa will be much
less sollicitated.All this was done with a very good
cooperation spirit with local UK Sails team that I warmly
recommmend.Hope it helpsAlainPILGRIM
SM2K #26










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alainfeuillet@...
 

Hi Alexander,
you are right: above 15° heel, our SM just moves more water but does not progress faster, without speaking of comfort.
The blue furled sail belongs to another boat moored on the other side of the poontoon, stern to...
fair winds
Alain