[Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Barb,

The bow thruster is made by Amel. Since the people that you already spoke with did not know that, they are the wrong people to use.

There are a few Aussies and Kiwis that own Amels and may be able to give you some directions. Maybe they will chime in on this post.

I can and will talk you through some troubleshooting via phone. Check timezones I am in Italy. Call the number below, or write me at bill"at"svbebe.com

In the mean time, go to the Files and Photos section of the Yahoo Group for Amel Yacht Owners and download bow thruster information. You can find it in Photos by searching in Photos for the word: thruster. Do the same thing in the Files section.

If you have problems finding things, call me.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Apr 27, 2015 4:41 AM, "surfskis2002@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

Does anyone know the make of Bowthruster in my Amel.

It is totally dead - I need replacement motor and retraction arm.

I have taken it to 3 places in Surfers (Qld) Australia and everyone says if I knew the make they may be able to assist.


Thanks in advance if anyone knows.


Barb Nairne

Sueno Azul

Hull No 39

Super Maramu


Barbara Nairne
 

Hi Bill,Thank you for your reply.I have checked the photos and info from the Amel group and the thruster on the older Amel is a little different.I attach a photo.The motor is very rusted and I am having an electrician check it out tomorrow.The retraction part the so called experts say does need to be rebuilt.I have emailed Amel to see if they can supply a new one.This may be the best solution

On Monday, 27 April 2015, 15:48, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


  Barb, The bow thruster is made by Amel. Since the people that you already spoke with did not know that, they are the wrong people to use.There are a few Aussies and Kiwis that own Amels and may be able to give you some directions. Maybe they will chime in on this post. I can and will talk you through some troubleshooting via phone. Check timezones I am in Italy. Call the number below, or write me at bill"at"svbebe.comIn the mean time, go to the Files and Photos section of the Yahoo Group for Amel Yacht Owners and download bow thruster information. You can find it in Photos by searching in Photos for the word: thruster. Do the same thing in the Files section. If you have problems finding things, call me.Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice MailOn Apr 27, 2015 4:41 AM, "surfskis2002@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  Hi,Does anyone know the make of Bowthruster in my Amel.It is totally dead - I need replacement motor and retraction arm.I have taken it to 3 places in Surfers (Qld) Australia and everyone says if I knew the make they may be able to assist.
Thanks in advance if anyone knows.
Barb NairneSueno AzulHull No 39Super Maramu
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Barb,

The linear actuator (small motor) that raises and lowers the bow thruster and the coorespondsing sensors and control box have been replaced in a Super Maramu by Andrew Lamb SM #472 of this group. He provided some good information in a conversation thread. Dr Lamb's SM is a late model, but I think that the linear actuator, the sensors, and the control box are the same for old and new. Try searching Conversations for linear actuator.

I have not had a response from sav"at"amel.fr to recent emails. Sometimes this is due to vacations.

If the large electric motor is rusty, there has been salt water blowing past the seals. Generally there are three possible reasons. They are:
1.) Sailing or motoring with the bow thruster down
2.) Bow thruster needs to be serviced with tube seal and foam donut seals replaced.
3.) Sailing without securing the bow thruster UP with the locking pin

Open the bilge outside the forward head. It probably has significant water there. Remember water tight bulkheads...you will need to pump this into the shower to drain it. All the water that blew past the bow thruster seals will be there. A wet/dry shop vacuum works well for this and if you don't have one, buy one, as you will find many other uses.

If the bow thruster motor is rusty, its service has been neglected and it is very possible that you will find the tube stuck to the motor. There is a photo of special tool designed by Amel that can be used to separate the tube and motor. You will find a photo in the photo section when you search for thruster. It looks like a stainless steel square split in half with a hole in the center. Show this to your mechanic along with bow thruster service instructions that you downloaded from the files section.

When you get through this, you will really appreciate the Amel bow thruster. WARNING: Never allow any line near it when it is operating. It is designed for the propeller to break away rather than ruin the mechanical parts. Propellers are hard to find. Do you have a spare?

When did you buy this Amel and where was it?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Apr 27, 2015 8:38 AM, "Barbara Nairne surfskis2002@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,Thank you for your reply.I have checked the photos and info from the Amel group and the thruster on the older Amel is a little different.I attach a photo.The motor is very rusted and I am having an electrician check it out tomorrow.The retraction part the so called experts say does need to be rebuilt.I have emailed Amel to see if they can supply a new one.This may be the best solution


On Monday, 27 April 2015, 15:48, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


  Barb, The bow thruster is made by Amel. Since the people that you already spoke with did not know that, they are the wrong people to use.There are a few Aussies and Kiwis that own Amels and may be able to give you some directions. Maybe they will chime in on this post. I can and will talk you through some troubleshooting via phone. Check timezones I am in Italy. Call the number below, or write me at bill"at"svbebe.comIn the mean time, go to the Files and Photos section of the Yahoo Group for Amel Yacht Owners and download bow thruster information. You can find it in Photos by searching in Photos for the word: thruster. Do the same thing in the Files section. If you have problems finding things, call me.Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice MailOn Apr 27, 2015 4:41 AM, "surfskis2002@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  Hi,Does anyone know the make of Bowthruster in my Amel.It is totally dead - I need replacement motor and retraction arm.I have taken it to 3 places in Surfers (Qld) Australia and everyone says if I knew the make they may be able to assist.
Thanks in advance if anyone knows.
Barb NairneSueno AzulHull No 39Super Maramu
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Barbara Nairne
 

Hi Bill,


Well it is definitely not caused by 1 or 3.


I haven't been to the boat for 2 yrs now - though systems were being checked while I was away.

Paul purchased the boat 3 yrs ago in Australia (Brisbane)

You may recall we just had so many problems and Paul lost interest - new Cdrive - new motor (only 8 hrs on it in 2 yrs).


We had the bowthruster serviced just prior to leaving Mooloolaba for Gold Coast 2 yrs ago and it hasn't been anywhere since.

I am trying once again to get it together!!!


Will check every point you have raised tomorrow morning.


Thank you again.

Barb


Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi Barb

I think you need to try to divide the problem up into two parts the linear actuator mechanism together with relays as well as raising and lowering the bow thruster, enables and disables the actual bow thruster motor so after checking the obvious such as fuses etc as Bill mentioned then you want to establish that in fact it is is not just a linear actuator issue. Whether you do this or you get an electrician will depend on your confidence with electrics. But in principle if you can get the bow thruster into the down position by disengaging the lifting mechanism there are just two wires that come from the actual bow thruster mechanism that need to be connected together to enable the actual bow thruster – these are low current wires that enable the large relays associated with the powerful bow thruster motor and work together with the joy stick mechanism to determine which way the motor turns (for port and starboard thrust) . So once the bow thruster is down if you can identify the two wires by following them back from the linear actuator control box – I am not on my boat so I can’t remember exactly where they pass – but as far as I recall there are two wires that obviously go to the pin switch, a collection of around 10 wires that go back to the up / down switches and buzzer in the cockpit and two more wires that go to the bow thruster relay / control – it is these last two wires that you want to identify and in the linear actuator control box disconnect from the control circuit and connect together.

Once you are confident that you have these if you connect these together and have the main circuit breaker for the bow thruster on, you should be able to activate the bow thruster using the joystick – if the bow thruster does wotk then you have eliminated a large part of the problem and what I did then was rigged up a handy billy to lift the bow thuster up and down until  I sorted the linear actuator issue. The linear actuator mechanism I suspect you can get from Amel – Amel sent me the wrong motor for the linear actuator – I think while Maud was on maternity leave – so I got mine direct from http://www.snt.tm.fr/ but with Maud back you might be able to get the motor, motor + actuator + switches all from Amel.

if this does not work then it is likely you have a bow thruster motor or relay problem – which I am afraid I don’t know much about – but I guess I would start by looking a brushes, etc

Hope this helps

Andrew & Kate

Ronpische
SM 472 Canet-en-Roussillon

From: "amelyachtowners@..."
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Date: Monday, 27 April 2015 09:51
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster

 

Hi Bill,


Well it is definitely not caused by 1 or 3.


I haven't been to the boat for 2 yrs now - though systems were being checked while I was away.

Paul purchased the boat 3 yrs ago in Australia (Brisbane)

You may recall we just had so many problems and Paul lost interest - new Cdrive - new motor (only 8 hrs on it in 2 yrs).


We had the bowthruster serviced just prior to leaving Mooloolaba for Gold Coast 2 yrs ago and it hasn't been anywhere since.

I am trying once again to get it together!!!


Will check every point you have raised tomorrow morning.


Thank you again.

Barb


Rosario Romano <rosario.romano50@...>
 

Hi Barb, I wasn't able to see the pictures you uploaded. I am new in the GROUP.
The documentation I found in my 1989 Sharki shows the brand "Propulseur d'etrave Martin - Hyeres" model BISON for smaller boat and "BUFFLE" for the bigger.
I attach here the brochure. Hope this helps
Unfortunately the company ceased the business many years ago. I have written to SAV Amel Med. Waiting for answer.
Have a look of the Amel Forum in French.

Rosario
Sharki no 173
phone +39 340 74321 27



Il Lunedì 27 Aprile 2015 10:44, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" ha scritto:


 
Hi Barb

I think you need to try to divide the problem up into two parts the linear actuator mechanism together with relays as well as raising and lowering the bow thruster, enables and disables the actual bow thruster motor so after checking the obvious such as fuses etc as Bill mentioned then you want to establish that in fact it is is not just a linear actuator issue. Whether you do this or you get an electrician will depend on your confidence with electrics. But in principle if you can get the bow thruster into the down position by disengaging the lifting mechanism there are just two wires that come from the actual bow thruster mechanism that need to be connected together to enable the actual bow thruster – these are low current wires that enable the large relays associated with the powerful bow thruster motor and work together with the joy stick mechanism to determine which way the motor turns (for port and starboard thrust) . So once the bow thruster is down if you can identify the two wires by following them back from the linear actuator control box – I am not on my boat so I can’t remember exactly where they pass – but as far as I recall there are two wires that obviously go to the pin switch, a collection of around 10 wires that go back to the up / down switches and buzzer in the cockpit and two more wires that go to the bow thruster relay / control – it is these last two wires that you want to identify and in the linear actuator control box disconnect from the control circuit and connect together.

Once you are confident that you have these if you connect these together and have the main circuit breaker for the bow thruster on, you should be able to activate the bow thruster using the joystick – if the bow thruster does wotk then you have eliminated a large part of the problem and what I did then was rigged up a handy billy to lift the bow thuster up and down until  I sorted the linear actuator issue. The linear actuator mechanism I suspect you can get from Amel – Amel sent me the wrong motor for the linear actuator – I think while Maud was on maternity leave – so I got mine direct from http://www.snt.tm.fr/ but with Maud back you might be able to get the motor, motor + actuator + switches all from Amel.

if this does not work then it is likely you have a bow thruster motor or relay problem – which I am afraid I don’t know much about – but I guess I would start by looking a brushes, etc

Hope this helps

Andrew & Kate

Ronpische
SM 472 Canet-en-Roussillon

From: "amelyachtowners@..."
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Date: Monday, 27 April 2015 09:51
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster

 
Hi Bill,

Well it is definitely not caused by 1 or 3.

I haven't been to the boat for 2 yrs now - though systems were being checked while I was away.
Paul purchased the boat 3 yrs ago in Australia (Brisbane)
You may recall we just had so many problems and Paul lost interest - new Cdrive - new motor (only 8 hrs on it in 2 yrs).

We had the bowthruster serviced just prior to leaving Mooloolaba for Gold Coast 2 yrs ago and it hasn't been anywhere since.
I am trying once again to get it together!!!

Will check every point you have raised tomorrow morning.

Thank you again.
Barb



Barbara Nairne
 

Good morning All,
Thank you so much for all your assistance.
Al, who assisted me previously with the replacement of C-drive and new motor has spoken with Bill from Bebe
and we now have a plan to work thru.
Barb




On Tuesday, 28 April 2015, 3:21, "Rosario Romano rosario.romano50@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Barb, I wasn't able to see the pictures you uploaded. I am new in the GROUP.
The documentation I found in my 1989 Sharki shows the brand "Propulseur d'etrave Martin - Hyeres" model BISON for smaller boat and "BUFFLE" for the bigger.
I attach here the brochure. Hope this helps
Unfortunately the company ceased the business many years ago. I have written to SAV Amel Med. Waiting for answer.
Have a look of the Amel Forum in French.

Rosario
Sharki no 173
phone +39 340 74321 27



Il Lunedì 27 Aprile 2015 10:44, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" ha scritto:


 
Hi Barb

I think you need to try to divide the problem up into two parts the linear actuator mechanism together with relays as well as raising and lowering the bow thruster, enables and disables the actual bow thruster motor so after checking the obvious such as fuses etc as Bill mentioned then you want to establish that in fact it is is not just a linear actuator issue. Whether you do this or you get an electrician will depend on your confidence with electrics. But in principle if you can get the bow thruster into the down position by disengaging the lifting mechanism there are just two wires that come from the actual bow thruster mechanism that need to be connected together to enable the actual bow thruster – these are low current wires that enable the large relays associated with the powerful bow thruster motor and work together with the joy stick mechanism to determine which way the motor turns (for port and starboard thrust) . So once the bow thruster is down if you can identify the two wires by following them back from the linear actuator control box – I am not on my boat so I can’t remember exactly where they pass – but as far as I recall there are two wires that obviously go to the pin switch, a collection of around 10 wires that go back to the up / down switches and buzzer in the cockpit and two more wires that go to the bow thruster relay / control – it is these last two wires that you want to identify and in the linear actuator control box disconnect from the control circuit and connect together.

Once you are confident that you have these if you connect these together and have the main circuit breaker for the bow thruster on, you should be able to activate the bow thruster using the joystick – if the bow thruster does wotk then you have eliminated a large part of the problem and what I did then was rigged up a handy billy to lift the bow thuster up and down until  I sorted the linear actuator issue. The linear actuator mechanism I suspect you can get from Amel – Amel sent me the wrong motor for the linear actuator – I think while Maud was on maternity leave – so I got mine direct from http://www.snt.tm.fr/ but with Maud back you might be able to get the motor, motor + actuator + switches all from Amel.

if this does not work then it is likely you have a bow thruster motor or relay problem – which I am afraid I don’t know much about – but I guess I would start by looking a brushes, etc

Hope this helps

Andrew & Kate

Ronpische
SM 472 Canet-en-Roussillon

From: "amelyachtowners@..."
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Date: Monday, 27 April 2015 09:51
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster

 
Hi Bill,

Well it is definitely not caused by 1 or 3.

I haven't been to the boat for 2 yrs now - though systems were being checked while I was away.
Paul purchased the boat 3 yrs ago in Australia (Brisbane)
You may recall we just had so many problems and Paul lost interest - new Cdrive - new motor (only 8 hrs on it in 2 yrs).

We had the bowthruster serviced just prior to leaving Mooloolaba for Gold Coast 2 yrs ago and it hasn't been anywhere since.
I am trying once again to get it together!!!

Will check every point you have raised tomorrow morning.

Thank you again.
Barb





Barbara Nairne
 

Hi all
Great news have found a engineering shop who feel they can do the rebuild 
Kawana machining who will advise in 2 weeks when they have time get into the problem
Thank you all for your assistance
Barb


bobparry1947
 

Hi Barb,
We own Supermaramu #33, Nowornot. We live in Brisbane and the boat is here in the WMYC. Maybe we can catch up some time.
Ann and Bob Parry


On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:08 PM, surfskis2002@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all

Great news have found a engineering shop who feel they can do the rebuild 
Kawana machining who will advise in 2 weeks when they have time get into the problem
Thank you all for your assistance
Barb