[Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Thanks Bill,
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So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
We had new hoses made up it St Maarten when we passed through in 2009. The cost was outrageous. The hose was cheap but the fittings!!!!!!! Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Thanks Bill,
So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else, Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for. Bill Rouse On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Bill,
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In my case the hose failed near the fitting attached to the CAT 277 pump. It spread water up to the ceiling. I would guess the hose that failed were the one before the membranes (because of the higher pressure). To me it looks like there is a lots of vibrations from this pump. So I installed the new hose will less of a bent/turn. I think it would be wise to install some type of device so that in case of failure the water is not spread on the water chargers, etc. Possibly a larger hose just sitting that would redirect the water in a less critical area. Also, in my case it seems that when the 24 volt electric motor is on for the water maker, the 220 volt is also turning. I don't think it should. How could I solve this issue? Part to change? Or clean? Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Taino Beach, Grand Bahama --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 6/12/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 1:39 AM Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else, Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: We had new hoses made up it St Maarten when we passed through in 2009. The cost was outrageous. The hose was cheap but the fittings!!!!!!!CheersDannySM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Thanks Bill, So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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A few years ago my hose failed at the input to the membranes, that was "repaired" by Ray Eaton, and the next time out, it failed at the pump. I bought a hydraulic hose replacement at a local shop in Abacos, Bahamas for $75. I ordered two replacements from Charleston Rubber and Gasket (http://www.chasragco.com/product.aspx?catid=87 ) with food-grade hoses and stainless fittings for $35 each (plus shipping). Sorry, I'm not on the boat so I don't have the fitting sizes, but I know they are metric and "standard" thread. The threads are the same on both ends of the high pressure hose and output hose going from the membranes to the panel in the galley. You can probably get Mark at Great Waters Marine Systems (the US Dessalator guy) in Massachusetts to tell you the fitting size...he's very accomodating. I should be back on the boat next week, I'll post the fitting sizes/threads then. Kent SM243 Kristy From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Good morning Bill,
In my case the hose failed near the fitting attached to the CAT 277 pump. It spread water up to the ceiling. I would guess the hose that failed were the one before the membranes (because of the higher pressure). To me it looks like there is a lots of vibrations from this pump. So I installed the new hose will less of a bent/turn. I think it would be wise to install some type of device so that in case of failure the water is not spread on the water chargers, etc. Possibly a larger hose just sitting that would redirect the water in a less critical area. Also, in my case it seems that when the 24 volt electric motor is on for the water maker, the 220 volt is also turning. I don't think it should. How could I solve this issue? Part to change? Or clean? Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Taino Beach, Grand Bahama -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 1:39 AM Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else, Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: We had new hoses made up it St Maarten when we passed through in 2009. The cost was outrageous. The hose was cheap but the fittings!!!!!!!CheersDannySM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Thanks Bill, So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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Alexandre Uster von Baar
Hello Kent,
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As I wrote, I purchased my spare high pressure hoses from Mark at Great Water. I am very happy with his service and recommendations but I thought they were very expensive… $90 for each fitting, so over $400 for 2 hoses and $100 shipping from France… I also bought the Oring kit for HP pump 277 from him at a price of $461… since later on I found that same kit for less than $100 I was hoping to find the hose for less… Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 6/12/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 8:54 AM A few years ago my hose failed at the input to the membranes, that was "repaired" by Ray Eaton, and the next time out, it failed at the pump. I bought a hydraulic hose replacement at a local shop in Abacos, Bahamas for $75. I ordered two replacements from Charleston Rubber and Gasket (http://www.chasragco.com/product.aspx?catid=87 ) with food-grade hoses and stainless fittings for $35 each (plus shipping). Sorry, I'm not on the boat so I don't have the fitting sizes, but I know they are metric and "standard" thread. The threads are the same on both ends of the high pressure hose and output hose going from the membranes to the panel in the galley.You can probably get Mark at Great Waters Marine Systems (the US Dessalator guy) in Massachusetts to tell you the fitting size...he's very accomodating. I should be back on the boat next week, I'll post the fitting sizes/threads then.KentSM243Kristy From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Good morning Bill, In my case the hose failed near the fitting attached to the CAT 277 pump. It spread water up to the ceiling. I would guess the hose that failed were the one before the membranes (because of the higher pressure). To me it looks like there is a lots of vibrations from this pump. So I installed the new hose will less of a bent/turn. I think it would be wise to install some type of device so that in case of failure the water is not spread on the water chargers, etc. Possibly a larger hose just sitting that would redirect the water in a less critical area. Also, in my case it seems that when the 24 volt electric motor is on for the water maker, the 220 volt is also turning. I don't think it should. How could I solve this issue? Part to change? Or clean? Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Taino Beach, Grand Bahama -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 1:39 AM Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else, Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: We had new hoses made up it St Maarten when we passed through in 2009. The cost was outrageous. The hose was cheap but the fittings!!!!!!!CheersDannySM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Thanks Bill, So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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Try Charleston Rubber and Gasket. They shipped them the next day. Kent On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hello Kent,
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I am in the Bahamas, plus I still need the fitting information...
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On Fri, 6/12/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 9:52 AM Try Charleston Rubber and Gasket. They shipped them the next day.Kent On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hello Kent, As I wrote, I purchased my spare high pressure hoses from Mark at Great Water. I am very happy with his service and recommendations but I thought they were very expensive… $90 for each fitting, so over $400 for 2 hoses and $100 shipping from France… I also bought the Oring kit for HP pump 277 from him at a price of $461… since later on I found that same kit for less than $100 I was hoping to find the hose for less… Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 8:54 AM A few years ago my hose failed at the input to the membranes, that was "repaired" by Ray Eaton, and the next time out, it failed at the pump. I bought a hydraulic hose replacement at a local shop in Abacos, Bahamas for $75. I ordered two replacements from Charleston Rubber and Gasket (http://www.chasragco.com/product.aspx?catid=87 ) with food-grade hoses and stainless fittings for $35 each (plus shipping). Sorry, I'm not on the boat so I don't have the fitting sizes, but I know they are metric and "standard" thread. The threads are the same on both ends of the high pressure hose and output hose going from the membranes to the panel in the galley.You can probably get Mark at Great Waters Marine Systems (the US Dessalator guy) in Massachusetts to tell you the fitting size...he's very accomodating. I should be back on the boat next week, I'll post the fitting sizes/threads then.KentSM243Kristy From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Good morning Bill, In my case the hose failed near the fitting attached to the CAT 277 pump. It spread water up to the ceiling. I would guess the hose that failed were the one before the membranes (because of the higher pressure). To me it looks like there is a lots of vibrations from this pump. So I installed the new hose will less of a bent/turn. I think it would be wise to install some type of device so that in case of failure the water is not spread on the water chargers, etc. Possibly a larger hose just sitting that would redirect the water in a less critical area. Also, in my case it seems that when the 24 volt electric motor is on for the water maker, the 220 volt is also turning. I don't think it should. How could I solve this issue? Part to change? Or clean? Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Taino Beach, Grand Bahama -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 1:39 AM Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else, Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: We had new hoses made up it St Maarten when we passed through in 2009. The cost was outrageous. The hose was cheap but the fittings!!!!!!!CheersDannySM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Thanks Bill, So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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I am in Italy and just bought 5 meters of hose from a hydraulic parts shop for 40 euro, or 8 euro a meter (no invoice...you know, Italy).
I also just uploaded the information about Dessalator hose end devices. Follow this link to download the PDF: https://xa.yimg.com/df/amelyachtowners/Dessalator%C2%A0Installation+of+high+pressure+Connectors.pdf?token=gxMgl9pDSSXHusSOVp9ggzwbuYMe7sPeP4636GAwCnz6Off0QSgH_WcieOPpRqlNvDPGFIZY8gtUysIP303o2gTEY25x7pC5asyXjImgJyn2zTDOxWnWumW7P62winA_5tAFDIGTkRlXEQV9rfSSUnBUa6e2uOWaXjCF2JrnE8s9a-95Z-komlapNqSvbta3-g&type=download Bill Bebe 387
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I'll be back on the boat next week. I'll get you the info then if you don't have it yet.
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On Jun 12, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I am in the Bahamas, plus I still need the fitting information... Thanks again, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 9:52 AM Try Charleston Rubber and Gasket. They shipped them the next day.Kent On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hello Kent, As I wrote, I purchased my spare high pressure hoses from Mark at Great Water. I am very happy with his service and recommendations but I thought they were very expensive… $90 for each fitting, so over $400 for 2 hoses and $100 shipping from France… I also bought the Oring kit for HP pump 277 from him at a price of $461… since later on I found that same kit for less than $100 I was hoping to find the hose for less… Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 8:54 AM A few years ago my hose failed at the input to the membranes, that was "repaired" by Ray Eaton, and the next time out, it failed at the pump. I bought a hydraulic hose replacement at a local shop in Abacos, Bahamas for $75. I ordered two replacements from Charleston Rubber and Gasket (http://www.chasragco.com/product.aspx?catid=87 ) with food-grade hoses and stainless fittings for $35 each (plus shipping). Sorry, I'm not on the boat so I don't have the fitting sizes, but I know they are metric and "standard" thread. The threads are the same on both ends of the high pressure hose and output hose going from the membranes to the panel in the galley.You can probably get Mark at Great Waters Marine Systems (the US Dessalator guy) in Massachusetts to tell you the fitting size...he's very accomodating. I should be back on the boat next week, I'll post the fitting sizes/threads then.KentSM243Kristy From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Good morning Bill, In my case the hose failed near the fitting attached to the CAT 277 pump. It spread water up to the ceiling. I would guess the hose that failed were the one before the membranes (because of the higher pressure). To me it looks like there is a lots of vibrations from this pump. So I installed the new hose will less of a bent/turn. I think it would be wise to install some type of device so that in case of failure the water is not spread on the water chargers, etc. Possibly a larger hose just sitting that would redirect the water in a less critical area. Also, in my case it seems that when the 24 volt electric motor is on for the water maker, the 220 volt is also turning. I don't think it should. How could I solve this issue? Part to change? Or clean? Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Taino Beach, Grand Bahama -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 1:39 AM Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else, Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: We had new hoses made up it St Maarten when we passed through in 2009. The cost was outrageous. The hose was cheap but the fittings!!!!!!!CheersDannySM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Thanks Bill, So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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Do you know the size and thread of the fittings, Bill? Kent From: "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses I am in Italy and just bought 5 meters of hose from a hydraulic parts shop for 40 euro, or 8 euro a meter (no invoice...you know, Italy). I also just uploaded the information about Dessalator hose end devices. Follow this link to download the PDF: https://xa.yimg.com/df/amelyachtowners/Dessalator%C2%A0Installation+of+high+pressure+Connectors.pdf?token=gxMgl9pDSSXHusSOVp9ggzwbuYMe7sPeP4636GAwCnz6Off0QSgH_WcieOPpRqlNvDPGFIZY8gtUysIP303o2gTEY25x7pC5asyXjImgJyn2zTDOxWnWumW7P62winA_5tAFDIGTkRlXEQV9rfSSUnBUa6e2uOWaXjCF2JrnE8s9a-95Z-komlapNqSvbta3-g&type=download Bill Bebe 387
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Kent, No, I do not have any specifics on the fittings. The original fittings from Dessalator which was delivered on BeBe #387 are two-piece fittings and can be placed on the hose with two wrenches (I do not know the metric size). I have not heard of these fittings failing, so I am sticking with them. Bill BeBe 387 Currently on the East Coast of Italy
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Hi Bill, I changed mine as preventive maintenance, I gave the wrong year it was 2010. We met Kent there in St Maarten and he encouraged me to do the change. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else,
Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra..co.nz [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Hi Kent it was that pricing that encouraged me to get some made up in St Maarten and as I said before the price was seriously outrageous. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" To: "amelyachtowners@..." Sent: Saturday, 13 June 2015 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses A few years ago my hose failed at the input to the membranes, that was "repaired" by Ray Eaton, and the next time out, it failed at the pump. I bought a hydraulic hose replacement at a local shop in Abacos, Bahamas for $75. I ordered two replacements from Charleston Rubber and Gasket (http://www.chasragco.com/product.aspx?catid=87 ) with food-grade hoses and stainless fittings for $35 each (plus shipping). Sorry, I'm not on the boat so I don't have the fitting sizes, but I know they are metric and "standard" thread. The threads are the same on both ends of the high pressure hose and output hose going from the membranes to the panel in the galley. You can probably get Mark at Great Waters Marine Systems (the US Dessalator guy) in Massachusetts to tell you the fitting size...he's very accomodating. I should be back on the boat next week, I'll post the fitting sizes/threads then. Kent SM243 Kristy From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Good morning Bill,
In my case the hose failed near the fitting attached to the CAT 277 pump. It spread water up to the ceiling. I would guess the hose that failed were the one before the membranes (because of the higher pressure). To me it looks like there is a lots of vibrations from this pump. So I installed the new hose will less of a bent/turn. I think it would be wise to install some type of device so that in case of failure the water is not spread on the water chargers, etc. Possibly a larger hose just sitting that would redirect the water in a less critical area. Also, in my case it seems that when the 24 volt electric motor is on for the water maker, the 220 volt is also turning. I don't think it should. How could I solve this issue? Part to change? Or clean? Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Taino Beach, Grand Bahama -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 1:39 AM Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else, Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: We had new hoses made up it St Maarten when we passed through in 2009. The cost was outrageous. The hose was cheap but the fittings!!!!!!!CheersDannySM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Thanks Bill, So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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Once I get the proper fitting size and thread, I'll contact Charleston Rubber and Gasket and give them the info. I'll ask them to keep it on file as Dessalator 60L/H High Pressure Hose for Amel Sailboats. It's been a few years but they were $35 each last time, very good quality and quick turn around time. Keant SM243 Kristy
On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Kent it was that pricing that encouraged me to get some made up in St Maarten and as I said before the price was seriously outrageous. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Saturday, 13 June 2015 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses A few years ago my hose failed at the input to the membranes, that was "repaired" by Ray Eaton, and the next time out, it failed at the pump. I bought a hydraulic hose replacement at a local shop in Abacos, Bahamas for $75. I ordered two replacements from Charleston Rubber and Gasket (http://www.chasragco.com/product.aspx?catid=87 ) with food-grade hoses and stainless fittings for $35 each (plus shipping). Sorry, I'm not on the boat so I don't have the fitting sizes, but I know they are metric and "standard" thread. The threads are the same on both ends of the high pressure hose and output hose going from the membranes to the panel in the galley. You can probably get Mark at Great Waters Marine Systems (the US Dessalator guy) in Massachusetts to tell you the fitting size...he's very accomodating. I should be back on the boat next week, I'll post the fitting sizes/threads then. Kent SM243 Kristy From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Good morning Bill,
In my case the hose failed near the fitting attached to the CAT 277 pump. It spread water up to the ceiling. I would guess the hose that failed were the one before the membranes (because of the higher pressure). To me it looks like there is a lots of vibrations from this pump. So I installed the new hose will less of a bent/turn. I think it would be wise to install some type of device so that in case of failure the water is not spread on the water chargers, etc. Possibly a larger hose just sitting that would redirect the water in a less critical area. Also, in my case it seems that when the 24 volt electric motor is on for the water maker, the 220 volt is also turning. I don't think it should. How could I solve this issue? Part to change? Or clean? Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Taino Beach, Grand Bahama -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 1:39 AM Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else, Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: We had new hoses made up it St Maarten when we passed through in 2009. The cost was outrageous. The hose was cheap but the fittings!!!!!!!CheersDannySM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Thanks Bill, So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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If I recall correctly, You also need an additional fitting, I believe mine was an elbow to lock one part of the fitting in place while you tighten the other. Possibly it’s just my old brain . Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:39 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses
Kent,
No, I do not have any specifics on the fittings. The original fittings from Dessalator which was delivered on BeBe #387 are two-piece fittings and can be placed on the hose with two wrenches (I do not know the metric size).
I have not heard of these fittings failing, so I am sticking with them.
Bill BeBe 387 Currently on the East Coast of Italy
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Do you know the size and thread of the fittings, Bill? Kent
From: "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
I am in Italy and just bought 5 meters of hose from a hydraulic parts shop for 40 euro, or 8 euro a meter (no invoice...you know, Italy).
I also just uploaded the information about Dessalator hose end devices. Follow this link to download the PDF: https://xa.yimg.com/df/amelyachtowners/Dessalator%C2%A0Installation+of+high+pressure+Connectors.pdf?token=gxMgl9pDSSXHusSOVp9ggzwb uYMe7sPeP4636GAwCnz6Off0QSgH_WcieOPpRqlNvDPGFIZY8gtUysIP303o2gTEY25x7pC5asyXjImgJyn2zTDOxWnWumW7P62winA_5tAFDIGTkRlXEQV9rfSSUnBUa6e2uOWaXjCF2JrnE8s9a-95Z-komlapNqSvbta3-g&type=download
Bill Bebe 387
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sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Danny who made your hoses in St Maarten? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 5:18 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses
Hi Kent it was that pricing that encouraged me to get some made up in St Maarten and as I said before the price was seriously outrageous. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
A few years ago my hose failed at the input to the membranes, that was "repaired" by Ray Eaton, and the next time out, it failed at the pump. I bought a hydraulic hose replacement at a local shop in Abacos, Bahamas for $75. I ordered two replacements from Charleston Rubber and Gasket (http://www.chasragco.com/product.aspx?catid=87 ) with food-grade hoses and stainless fittings for $35 each (plus shipping). Sorry, I'm not on the boat so I don't have the fitting sizes, but I know they are metric and "standard" thread. The threads are the same on both ends of the high pressure hose and output hose going from the membranes to the panel in the galley. You can probably get Mark at Great Waters Marine Systems (the US Dessalator guy) in Massachusetts to tell you the fitting size...he's very accomodating. I should be back on the boat next week, I'll post the fitting sizes/threads then. Kent SM243 Kristy
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Good morning Bill,
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Hi Eric, sorry it was a long time ago. I remember the building but not the name. It was an engineering workshop. Because of the price I wouldn't recommend them.CheersDanny
From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Saturday, 13 June 2015 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Danny who made your hoses in St Maarten?Fair WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 5:18 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Hi Kent it was that pricing that encouraged me to get some made up in St Maarten and as I said before the price was seriously outrageous. CheersDanny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Saturday, 13 June 2015 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses A few years ago my hose failed at the input to the membranes, that was "repaired" by Ray Eaton, and the next time out, it failed at the pump. I bought a hydraulic hose replacement at a local shop in Abacos, Bahamas for $75. I ordered two replacements from Charleston Rubber and Gasket (http://www.chasragco.com/product.aspx?catid=87 ) with food-grade hoses and stainless fittings for $35 each (plus shipping). Sorry, I'm not on the boat so I don't have the fitting sizes, but I know they are metric and "standard" thread. The threads are the same on both ends of the high pressure hose and output hose going from the membranes to the panel in the galley.You can probably get Mark at Great Waters Marine Systems (the US Dessalator guy) in Massachusetts to tell you the fitting size...he's very accomodating. I should be back on the boat next week, I'll post the fitting sizes/threads then.KentSM243Kristy From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Good morning Bill, In my case the hose failed near the fitting attached to the CAT 277 pump. It spread water up to the ceiling. I would guess the hose that failed were the one before the membranes (because of the higher pressure). To me it looks like there is a lots of vibrations from this pump. So I installed the new hose will less of a bent/turn. I think it would be wise to install some type of device so that in case of failure the water is not spread on the water chargers, etc. Possibly a larger hose just sitting that would redirect the water in a less critical area. Also, in my case it seems that when the 24 volt electric motor is on for the water maker, the 220 volt is also turning. I don't think it should. How could I solve this issue? Part to change? Or clean? Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Taino Beach, Grand Bahama -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 1:39 AM Danny, Alex, and Trevor...and anyone else, Which end and which hose gave way. Maybe there is common failure that we should look for. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Jun 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: We had new hoses made up it St Maarten when we passed through in 2009. The cost was outrageous. The hose was cheap but the fittings!!!!!!!CheersDannySM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses Thanks Bill, So with s shelf life is 5 to 6 years, it means that having spares for that long won't really help? Regarding the High pressure fitting, just requires "regular" tools? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/11/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 1:05 PM The Dessalator 160 Liter water maker has do it yourself (DIY) High Pressure fittings on the hoses. The ends come off and you can install them on new hose with just simple tools. My experience and my experience in this group tells me these have about a 5 year life as long as they are not exposed to caustic chemicals, overuse of pickling chemicals, or petroleum products. This life is not dependent on use, but age only. If you happen to go over five years, the salt water spewing in your engine compartment can be very destructive. The hose on BeBe is marked: ZEC VE740000 SAE 100 R7 5/16" Made in Italy I am due for replacement and hope to get some soon. In my case I figure 5 meters is plenty. 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sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Danny, I used FKG hydraulic shop for my hoses. They were quite reasonable. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:55 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator High Pressure Hoses
Hi Eric, sorry it was a long time ago. I remember the building but not the name. It was an engineering workshop. Because of the price I wouldn't recommend them. Cheers Danny From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Danny who made your hoses in St Maarten? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Kent it was that pricing that encouraged me to get some made up in St Maarten and as I said before the price was seriously outrageous. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
A few years ago my hose failed at the input to the membranes, that was "repaired" by Ray Eaton, and the next time out, it failed at the pump. I bought a hydraulic hose replacement at a local shop in Abacos, Bahamas for $75. I ordered two replacements from Charleston Rubber and Gasket (http://www.chasragco.com/product.aspx?catid=87 ) with food-grade hoses and stainless fittings for $35 each (plus shipping). Sorry, I'm not on the boat so I don't have the fitting sizes, but I know they are metric and "standard" thread. The threads are the same on both ends of the high pressure hose and output hose going from the membranes to the panel in the galley. You can probably get Mark at Great Waters Marine Systems (the US Dessalator guy) in Massachusetts to tell you the fitting size...he's very accomodating. I should be back on the boat next week, I'll post the fitting sizes/threads then. Kent SM243 Kristy
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com>
Good morning Bill,
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I too have had a three failures over the past 12 years. The hose has never failed but the connector has. A couple of months ago I noticed the water maker pressure had dropped to just below the green band. When I opened the engine room hatch to go and investigate, at first I thought I had a fire. But it was not smoke but a fine mist caused by a pin hole leak on the connector on the high pressure pump outlet. Everything was soaked but fortunately I suffered no damage. I did spray the circuit boards of both battery chargers and all connectors with WD40 as a precaution and hosed down everything else.
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Thinking more about these failures, the spray damage could be radically reduced if a piece of plastic tube was slid over the connectors and taped at the furthest end. That way any leakage would be directed down the tube and not all over the engine compartment. I will get around to this later this week. I have also moved my membranes to below the front of the gen set for easier access and to minimise leakage damage. Previously my 110V/240V transformer got wet when the end caps eroded around the cross membrane bobbin. Since having bronze end caps made up and a proper hose connection between the end caps, I have had no further leaks. Like Eric, I used my local hydraulic shop. The used 400 Bar hose and stainless end fittings. They charged €50 for each hose which seems good value. Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 (2003) Crusader Larnaca Cyprus Ian Shepherd SM2K Crusader (2003) Larnaca Cyprus
On 14/06/2015 23:38, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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