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Bon jour, JP, merci. CC is interesting, but I'm not ready to take that leap yet as I plan to do the vast majority of my sailing in tropical climes. I'll look at it all again when this paint is ready for a redo. Keep us posted on how yours does if you spend a year or more in the tropics. Kent
On Jul 8, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Pierre Germain jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Kent,
Boat is in Turkey, Goček, finishing a long refit. Water temp was moderate until 2 1/2 weeks ago. Now at 29-31C.
Previous boat was based in Majorca ... Some tropics and some moderate temps.
I don't mind diving 3-4 times a year 😀
Where were you Jean Pierre? Cool water or Tropics? Kent
Hi Kent,
I have Coppercoat and the boat has been in the water since April. She had to come out for repair last week and she had a Clean bottom. No green fuzz, no barnacles.
Got precisely 8 knots at 2950 rpm on Volvo sails swinging a MAX prop.
Works for me. Had CC on my last boat also.
JPG
Hi Bill. I don't mind doing it in warm water, but not cold. I'm looking at making my own Hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, maybe enuf hose to unfoul an anchor. For now I'm going to put Pettits Ultimate SR60 on and see how it lasts. Waiting to hear how others in the tropics fare w CopperCoat. Kent SM243 Kristy Currently Deltaville VA
Kent,
Remember, if you like cleaning/scrubbing/diving on your bottom 2-4 times a year, then CopperCoat is good for you. Me...I am too lazy for that!
Bill BeBe
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Hi Kent,
Boat is in Turkey, Goček, finishing a long refit. Water temp was moderate until 2 1/2 weeks ago. Now at 29-31C.
Previous boat was based in Majorca ... Some tropics and some moderate temps.
I don't mind diving 3-4 times a year 😀
On 8 Jul 2015, at 20:08, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Where were you Jean Pierre? Cool water or Tropics? Kent
Hi Kent,
I have Coppercoat and the boat has been in the water since April. She had to come out for repair last week and she had a Clean bottom. No green fuzz, no barnacles.
Got precisely 8 knots at 2950 rpm on Volvo sails swinging a MAX prop.
Works for me. Had CC on my last boat also.
JPG
Hi Bill. I don't mind doing it in warm water, but not cold. I'm looking at making my own Hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, maybe enuf hose to unfoul an anchor. For now I'm going to put Pettits Ultimate SR60 on and see how it lasts. Waiting to hear how others in the tropics fare w CopperCoat. Kent SM243 Kristy Currently Deltaville VA
Kent,
Remember, if you like cleaning/scrubbing/diving on your bottom 2-4 times a year, then CopperCoat is good for you. Me...I am too lazy for that!
Bill BeBe
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Where were you Jean Pierre? Cool water or Tropics? Kent
On Jul 8, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Kent,
I have Coppercoat and the boat has been in the water since April. She had to come out for repair last week and she had a Clean bottom. No green fuzz, no barnacles.
Got precisely 8 knots at 2950 rpm on Volvo sails swinging a MAX prop.
Works for me. Had CC on my last boat also.
JPG
Hi Bill. I don't mind doing it in warm water, but not cold. I'm looking at making my own Hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, maybe enuf hose to unfoul an anchor. For now I'm going to put Pettits Ultimate SR60 on and see how it lasts. Waiting to hear how others in the tropics fare w CopperCoat. Kent SM243 Kristy Currently Deltaville VA
Kent,
Remember, if you like cleaning/scrubbing/diving on your bottom 2-4 times a year, then CopperCoat is good for you. Me...I am too lazy for that!
Bill BeBe
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Kent Robertson
Got it that time Bill. I remember seeing it when you first posted it. Pretty impressive difference. Thinking I'll probly go with Island44 next time and buy enuf to paint again in 4 years unless someone convinced me b4 then that CopperCoat works in the Tropics. So far not convinced, but I know Island 44 will last 3-4 years.
Sure is a lot of conflicting information out there. Kent
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hmm. That link wouldn't open on my iPhone. I'll try it again on my laptop. If next time I decide to paint with something not available here, I'll probably be somewhere outside the U.S. and EPA tentacles. Thanks for the offer, though, I'll keep it in mind. Kent
Kent,
You might want to add this photo to your coppercoat research folder:
I said that I wouldn't do it mostly because I am lazy. It is too bad that Micron77 is not sold in the USA...the EPA has blocked its application along with every application during the last 6 years...what goes with that? Anyway, Micron77 is good in fresh, salt and brackish. Maybe I can smuggle some to you. ;)
Bill
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Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hi Kent,
I have Coppercoat and the boat has been in the water since April. She had to come out for repair last week and she had a Clean bottom. No green fuzz, no barnacles.
Got precisely 8 knots at 2950 rpm on Volvo sails swinging a MAX prop.
Works for me. Had CC on my last boat also.
JPG
On 8 Jul 2015, at 17:13, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Bill. I don't mind doing it in warm water, but not cold. I'm looking at making my own Hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, maybe enuf hose to unfoul an anchor. For now I'm going to put Pettits Ultimate SR60 on and see how it lasts. Waiting to hear how others in the tropics fare w CopperCoat. Kent SM243 Kristy Currently Deltaville VA
Kent,
Remember, if you like cleaning/scrubbing/diving on your bottom 2-4 times a year, then CopperCoat is good for you. Me...I am too lazy for that!
Bill BeBe
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hmm. That link wouldn't open on my iPhone. I'll try it again on my laptop. If next time I decide to paint with something not available here, I'll probably be somewhere outside the U.S. and EPA tentacles. Thanks for the offer, though, I'll keep it in mind. Kent
Kent,
You might want to add this photo to your coppercoat research folder:
I said that I wouldn't do it mostly because I am lazy. It is too bad that Micron77 is not sold in the USA...the EPA has blocked its application along with every application during the last 6 years...what goes with that? Anyway, Micron77 is good in fresh, salt and brackish. Maybe I can smuggle some to you. ;)
Bill
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Hmm. That link wouldn't open on my iPhone. I'll try it again on my laptop. If next time I decide to paint with something not available here, I'll probably be somewhere outside the U.S. and EPA tentacles. Thanks for the offer, though, I'll keep it in mind. Kent
Kent,
You might want to add this photo to your coppercoat research folder:
I said that I wouldn't do it mostly because I am lazy. It is too bad that Micron77 is not sold in the USA...the EPA has blocked its application along with every application during the last 6 years...what goes with that? Anyway, Micron77 is good in fresh, salt and brackish. Maybe I can smuggle some to you. ;)
Bill
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Bill. I don't mind doing it in warm water, but not cold. I'm looking at making my own Hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, maybe enuf hose to unfoul an anchor. For now I'm going to put Pettits Ultimate SR60 on and see how it lasts. Waiting to hear how others in the tropics fare w CopperCoat. Kent SM243 Kristy Currently Deltaville VA
Kent,
Remember, if you like cleaning/scrubbing/diving on your bottom 2-4 times a year, then CopperCoat is good for you. Me...I am too lazy for that!
Bill BeBe
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Kent,
You might want to add this photo to your coppercoat research folder:
I said that I wouldn't do it mostly because I am lazy. It is too bad that Micron77 is not sold in the USA...the EPA has blocked its application along with every application during the last 6 years...what goes with that? Anyway, Micron77 is good in fresh, salt and brackish. Maybe I can smuggle some to you. ;)
Bill
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Bill. I don't mind doing it in warm water, but not cold. I'm looking at making my own Hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, maybe enuf hose to unfoul an anchor. For now I'm going to put Pettits Ultimate SR60 on and see how it lasts. Waiting to hear how others in the tropics fare w CopperCoat. Kent SM243 Kristy Currently Deltaville VA
Kent,
Remember, if you like cleaning/scrubbing/diving on your bottom 2-4 times a year, then CopperCoat is good for you. Me...I am too lazy for that!
Bill BeBe
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Kent Robertson
Hi Bill. I don't mind doing it in warm water, but not cold. I'm looking at making my own Hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, maybe enuf hose to unfoul an anchor. For now I'm going to put Pettits Ultimate SR60 on and see how it lasts. Waiting to hear how others in the tropics fare w CopperCoat. Kent SM243 Kristy Currently Deltaville VA
Kent,
Remember, if you like cleaning/scrubbing/diving on your bottom 2-4 times a year, then CopperCoat is good for you. Me...I am too lazy for that!
Bill BeBe
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:33 PM, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi, Bill,
I've been doing some research about all this, and talking to the paint gurus here at Deltaville Boat Yard.
It seems that CopperCoat works extremely well in colder water like the NE USA and Mediterranean, but not so much in the tropics, where I'll be doing most of my sailing.
Micron66 is great paint for the tropics, but apparently doesn't do well in brackish water. Here on the Chesapeake they put Micron 66 on a boat at the owner's request, and had to repaint in just a few months. Interlux paid the bill for the prep and new paint job. Since I'll be in brackish water for the next several months, I'm going to go with their recommended Pettit Ultima SR60. When they have the old paint removed and the hull is dry enough, they'll put a coat of primer and two coats of paint. I'll let you know how it does.
It turns out that SeaHawk Island 44, the tin-based paint is available almost everywhe
re but the US. It's actually sold in the US but can only be applied to boats of 75ftLOA. Most large ships and USNavy ships are painted with similar paints to avoid hauling out so often. So us little boats are the least likely to be polluting with bottom paint, but are the only ones who can't buy it here. What a crock! Gotta love the EPA. If this Pettit paint doesn't last more than a couple years, I'll probably go elsewhere and have Island 44 put on again.
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
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Kent,
Remember, if you like cleaning/scrubbing/diving on your bottom 2-4 times a year, then CopperCoat is good for you. Me...I am too lazy for that!
Bill BeBe
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:33 PM, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi, Bill,
I've been doing some research about all this, and talking to the paint gurus here at Deltaville Boat Yard.
It seems that CopperCoat works extremely well in colder water like the NE USA and Mediterranean, but not so much in the tropics, where I'll be doing most of my sailing.
Micron66 is great paint for the tropics, but apparently doesn't do well in brackish water. Here on the Chesapeake they put Micron 66 on a boat at the owner's request, and had to repaint in just a few months. Interlux paid the bill for the prep and new paint job. Since I'll be in brackish water for the next several months, I'm going to go with their recommended Pettit Ultima SR60. When they have the old paint removed and the hull is dry enough, they'll put a coat of primer and two coats of paint. I'll let you know how it does.
It turns out that SeaHawk Island 44, the tin-based paint is available almost everywhe
re but the US. It's actually sold in the US but can only be applied to boats of 75ftLOA. Most large ships and USNavy ships are painted with similar paints to avoid hauling out so often. So us little boats are the least likely to be polluting with bottom paint, but are the only ones who can't buy it here. What a crock! Gotta love the EPA. If this Pettit paint doesn't last more than a couple years, I'll probably go elsewhere and have Island 44 put on again.
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
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Kent Robertson
Hi, Bill,
I've been doing some research about all this, and talking to the paint gurus here at Deltaville Boat Yard.
It seems that CopperCoat works extremely well in colder water like the NE USA and Mediterranean, but not so much in the tropics, where I'll be doing most of my sailing.
Micron66 is great paint for the tropics, but apparently doesn't do well in brackish water. Here on the Chesapeake they put Micron 66 on a boat at the owner's request, and had to repaint in just a few months. Interlux paid the bill for the prep and new paint job. Since I'll be in brackish water for the next several months, I'm going to go with their recommended Pettit Ultima SR60. When they have the old paint removed and the hull is dry enough, they'll put a coat of primer and two coats of paint. I'll let you know how it does.
It turns out that SeaHawk Island 44, the tin-based paint is available almost everywhere but the US. It's actually sold in the US but can only be applied to boats of 75ftLOA. Most large ships and USNavy ships are painted with similar paints to avoid hauling out so often. So us little boats are the least likely to be polluting with bottom paint, but are the only ones who can't buy it here. What a crock! Gotta love the EPA. If this Pettit paint doesn't last more than a couple years, I'll probably go elsewhere and have Island 44 put on again.
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
I am convinced that Micron66 is the best antifouling for the tropics. My conviction is rooted in using it for many years, renewing it every two years and first-hand comparisons I have made with antifouling others have used. That said, I may be biased, because Micron66 was my choice. And, it generally costs more than others.
As mentioned in this thread, International Paint warns that taking Micron66 into fresh water will harm its effectiveness. I assume that is why International produced Micron77, which is effective in fresh and saltwater. Unfortunately, the EPA will not approve Micron77. I believe that in the last 6 years the EPA has blocked all new antifouling applications. Therefore, Micron77 is only available outside the influence of the EPA (some countries chose to follow the EPA). We applied Micron77 in Malta, and it is available in all of the EU.
I guess if the EPA inspects our hull, the antifouling will morph to Micron66.
Kent, I am not sure, but if that tin-based paint was a hard paint, but, if it is, the primer International makes for Micron66 may work for you. If I were you, I would talk directly to one of the International Distributors, or directly with International.
One more remark: I have found that the less costly Micron Extra is not as effective as the more costly Micron66 & Mucron77, but Micron Extra may be OK for non-tropical use.
Bill Rouse
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Good information.
Thanks.
Vladimir
"Life is Good"
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On Jul 4, 2015 8:16 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
The Kristy saga continues:
3 1/2 yrs ago I had the bottom painted in Trinidad. Sea Hawk's Island 44 was recommended. After taking the old paint down to gelcoat (it had 12 years of paint), a barrier coat was applied, then 2 coats of this tin-based paint (which is banned in the U.S. by the EPA). Great paint...lasted 3 + years and probably could have gone another 6 months.
I called a SeaHawk distributor and asked what they recommended since I couldn't buy it in the U.S., and he recommended their Island77. No mention of barrier coat or anything else.
I hauled out in Fernandina Beach, FL and had the bottom cleaned and lightly sanded, then 2 coats of Island77 applied. Then I discovered the prop shaft damage and the boat stayed on the hard for a year. Before launching I had another coat of Island 77 applied.
After sailing for only 6 weeks, I discovered the zincs were half gone already. I decided to haul out again so I could look at the prop shaft and have the topsides polished. All that new paint was GONE!
I called SeaHawk again, and this time they said "Nothing sticks to that tin-based paint." They recommended sanding it all down to gelcoat again.
If that isn't bad enough, the EPA requires that it be removed in an enclosed space, doesn't allow sandblasting it, only chemical stripper and sanding the rest with vacuum collection of dust, and disposal in a lined landfill. $10K just for paint removal! Plus a new barrier coat and new paint.
Moral of this story is 'Don't be lured into using banned paint unless you are going to be somewhere that you can buy it again when it's time to repaint." Apparently many places where you could buy it 3 years ago have now quit selling it.
I sure do seem to learn the hard way, don't I?
Steady as she goes.
Kent
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Good information.
Thanks.
Vladimir
"Life is Good"
SM 345
The Kristy saga continues:
3 1/2 yrs ago I had the bottom painted in Trinidad. Sea Hawk's Island 44 was recommended. After taking the old paint down to gelcoat (it had 12 years of paint), a barrier coat was applied, then 2 coats of this tin-based paint (which is banned in the U.S. by the EPA). Great paint...lasted 3 + years and probably could have gone another 6 months.
I called a SeaHawk distributor and asked what they recommended since I couldn't buy it in the U.S., and he recommended their Island77. No mention of barrier coat or anything else.
I hauled out in Fernandina Beach, FL and had the bottom cleaned and lightly sanded, then 2 coats of Island77 applied. Then I discovered the prop shaft damage and the boat stayed on the hard for a year. Before launching I had another coat of Island 77 applied.
After sailing for only 6 weeks, I discovered the zincs were half gone already. I decided to haul out again so I could look at the prop shaft and have the topsides polished. All that new paint was GONE!
I called SeaHawk again, and this time they said "Nothing sticks to that tin-based paint." They recommended sanding it all down to gelcoat again.
If that isn't bad enough, the EPA requires that it be removed in an enclosed space, doesn't allow sandblasting it, only chemical stripper and sanding the rest with vacuum collection of dust, and disposal in a lined landfill. $10K just for paint removal! Plus a new barrier coat and new paint.
Moral of this story is 'Don't be lured into using banned paint unless you are going to be somewhere that you can buy it again when it's time to repaint." Apparently many places where you could buy it 3 years ago have now quit selling it.
I sure do seem to learn the hard way, don't I?
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
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