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Hi Keith, can't help you with the pressure issues but the rotten egg smell happens when salt water is left in pipes. I get the same in my salt water deck wash and in the heads if they are left too long. It just flushes out. The smell seems to "gas off" and I agree you can't taste it. I find it is only the first few litres through the water maker though, then it clears so I run it to waste for a start. When we bought Ocean Pearl the water-maker was a scary mystery with pickling, chemical cleaning and no idea what to do. This forum lead us to just back flush with fresh water after use and do nothing else. Had happy trouble free years since.. Can leave it months and start it up, run the first few litres to waste and there you have it sweet clean water. Currently on about 150 ppm with the solids detector. It would be at least three years since we put any shore water in the tank. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
From: "gegcarter@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 5:01 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water maker
I also have a problem with my water-maker, which is the 50l/hr Dessalator unit. It's probably down to neglect.
When we bought GUMA the water-maker worked (although when Olivier, who did the survey, offered me the sample to drink I did think it smelled a bit of eggs....). Then followed two years where we were frequently in marinas where good quality water was available and so the water-maker was not required .... or used. Such was my ignorance.
'Use it or lose it', I have been told - too late, inevitably.
So at the end of last year I tried making some water for the first time, really, since buying the boat: - The sampling tube on the control panel did not produce any water. I had my sample anyway as I had disconnected the outlet feed from the water-maker to the tank, to protect both the tank and its existing content from contamination, having been told not to trust the 'good / bad' sensor on the control panel and remembering the eggy smell.
- The water emerging from the feed tube was super-eggy! It tasted OK, but the smell was bad.
I was advised that there was probably microbial contamination on the membranes and that I should pickle them for a while. So I acquired some steriliser and, following the instructions in the multi-lingual brochure from Dessalator, infused the device with it. That was just before spending 4 months in Licata marina for the winter 2014/15.
As soon as we were in clean seas this season I tried the water-maker again. Rinsing with fresh water, then switching the valve back to seawater and following the instructions: - The water maker seemed to be acting normally, and I increased the pressure.
- Nothing from the sampling pipe (as expected from before)
- Nothing from the feed pipe to the tanks - which I had again removed to collect whatever was made.
- Then the device switched itself off - maybe due to excess pressure (I was in the engine room observing proceedings from there - mechanically everything looked fine).
On subsequent attempts to run the water-maker the device seems not to generate any pressure. Running on 'open', water is pumped through the system and out through the hull. On increasing the pressure valve by turning clockwise there is very little response on the gauge, little action in the manometer tube, and, at high pressure settings, no discernable water being ejected through the hull skin fitting. Needless to say, no water from the reservoir feed-tube either.
It seems to me that the pump cannot be generating pressure - or a protective sensor is stopping it (but not switching off the pump).
Any thoughts on what has happened, why, and what I should do about it?
Keith SY GUMA Currently in Thasos, N Greece.
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Just as a passing remark on this thread, I found it incredibly easy to use a 24VDC lawn sprinkler valve, a 24VDC digital timer, and a carbon filter/housing to install and automatic flush in-line on our 160L water maker. I have it set for 6 minutes, 2 days a week. I can disable it by closing the flush valve that was installed by Amel at the time 387 was produced. Open the valve and it automatically flushes twice a week. I have had no problem with forgetting to flush!
Bill BeBe 387
Hi Keith, can't help you with the pressure issues but the rotten egg smell happens when salt water is left in pipes. I get the same in my salt water deck wash and in the heads if they are left too long. It just flushes out. The smell seems to "gas off" and I agree you can't taste it. I find it is only the first few litres through the water maker though, then it clears so I run it to waste for a start. When we bought Ocean Pearl the water-maker was a scary mystery with pickling, chemical cleaning and no idea what to do. This forum lead us to just back flush with fresh water after use and do nothing else. Had happy trouble free years since.. Can leave it months and start it up, run the first few litres to waste and there you have it sweet clean
water. Currently on about 150 ppm with the solids detector. It would be at least three years since we put any shore water in the tank. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
I also have a problem with my water-maker, which is the 50l/hr Dessalator unit. It's probably down to neglect.
When we bought GUMA the water-maker worked (although when Olivier, who did the survey, offered me the sample to drink I did think it smelled a bit of eggs....). Then followed two years where we were frequently in marinas where good quality water was available and so the water-maker was not required .... or used. Such was my ignorance.
'Use it or lose it', I have been told - too late, inevitably.
So at the end of last year I tried making some water for the first time, really, since buying the boat:- The sampling tube on the control panel did not produce any water. I had my sample anyway as I had disconnected the outlet feed from the water-maker to the tank, to protect both the tank and its existing content from contamination, having been told not to trust the 'good / bad' sensor on the control panel and remembering the eggy smell.
- The water emerging from the feed tube was super-eggy! It tasted OK, but the smell was bad.
I was advised that there was probably microbial contamination on the membranes and that I should pickle them for a while. So I acquired some steriliser and, following the instructions in the multi-lingual brochure from Dessalator, infused the device with it. That was just before spending 4 months in Licata marina
for the winter 2014/15.
As soon as we were in clean seas this season I tried the water-maker again. Rinsing with fresh water, then switching the valve back to seawater and following the instructions: - The water maker seemed to be acting normally, and I increased the pressure.
- Nothing from the sampling pipe (as expected from before)
- Nothing from the feed pipe to the tanks - which I had again removed to collect whatever was made.
- Then the device switched itself off - maybe due to excess pressure (I was in the engine room observing proceedings from there - mechanically everything looked fine).
On subsequent attempts to run the water-maker the device seems not to generate any pressure. Running on 'open', water is pumped through the system and out through the hull. On increasing the pressure valve by turning clockwise there is very l
ittle response on the gauge, little action in the manometer tube, and, at high pressure settings, no discernable water being ejected through the hull skin fitting. Needless to say, no water from the reservoir feed-tube either.
It seems to me that the pump cannot be generating pressure - or a protective sensor is stopping it (but not switching off the pump).
Any thoughts on what has happened, why, and what I should do about it?
Keith SY GUMA Currently in Thasos, N Greece.
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sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Great Idea Bill. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water maker Just as a passing remark on this thread, I found it incredibly easy to use a 24VDC lawn sprinkler valve, a 24VDC digital timer, and a carbon filter/housing to install and automatic flush in-line on our 160L water maker. I have it set for 6 minutes, 2 days a week. I can disable it by closing the flush valve that was installed by Amel at the time 387 was produced. Open the valve and it automatically flushes twice a week. I have had no problem with forgetting to flush! On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hi Keith, can't help you with the pressure issues but the rotten egg smell happens when salt water is left in pipes. I get the same in my salt water deck wash and in the heads if they are left too long. It just flushes out. The smell seems to "gas off" and I agree you can't taste it. I find it is only the first few litres through the water maker though, then it clears so I run it to waste for a start. When we bought Ocean Pearl the water-maker was a scary mystery with pickling, chemical cleaning and no idea what to do. This forum lead us to just back flush with fresh water after use and do nothing else. Had happy trouble free years since.. Can leave it months and start it up, run the first few litres to waste and there you have it sweet clean water. Currently on about 150 ppm with the solids detector. It would be at least three years since we put any shore water in the tank. I also have a problem with my water-maker, which is the 50l/hr Dessalator unit. It's probably down to neglect. When we bought GUMA the water-maker worked (although when Olivier, who did the survey, offered me the sample to drink I did think it smelled a bit of eggs....). Then followed two years where we were frequently in marinas where good quality water was available and so the water-maker was not required .... or used. Such was my ignorance. 'Use it or lose it', I have been told - too late, inevitably. So at the end of last year I tried making some water for the first time, really, since buying the boat: - The sampling tube on the control panel did not produce any water. I had my sample anyway as I had disconnected the outlet feed from the water-maker to the tank, to protect both the tank and its existing content from contamination, having been told not to trust the 'good / bad' sensor on the control panel and remembering the eggy smell.
- The water emerging from the feed tube was super-eggy! It tasted OK, but the smell was bad.
I was advised that there was probably microbial contamination on the membranes and that I should pickle them for a while. So I acquired some steriliser and, following the instructions in the multi-lingual brochure from Dessalator, infused the device with it. That was just before spending 4 months in Licata marina for the winter 2014/15. As soon as we were in clean seas this season I tried the water-maker again. Rinsing with fresh water, then switching the valve back to seawater and following the instructions: - The water maker seemed to be acting normally, and I increased the pressure.
- Nothing from the sampling pipe (as expected from before)
- Nothing from the feed pipe to the tanks - which I had again removed to collect whatever was made.
- Then the device switched itself off - maybe due to excess pressure (I was in the engine room observing proceedings from there - mechanically everything looked fine).
On subsequent attempts to run the water-maker the device seems not to generate any pressure. Running on 'open', water is pumped through the system and out through the hull. On increasing the pressure valve by turning clockwise there is very l ittle response on the gauge, little action in the manometer tube, and, at high pressure settings, no discernable water being ejected through the hull skin fitting. Needless to say, no water from the reservoir feed-tube either. It seems to me that the pump cannot be generating pressure - or a protective sensor is stopping it (but not switching off the pump). Any thoughts on what has happened, why, and what I should do about it? Currently in Thasos, N Greece.
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
BTW, we replaced membranes 2 years ago and made water a few days ago with a TDS of 108. I think that there is a correlation between flushing out all salt water and flushing frequently and high quality water.
Bill BeBe
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:18 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Great Idea Bill. Fair Winds Eric Just as a passing remark on this thread, I found it incredibly easy to use a 24VDC lawn sprinkler valve, a 24VDC digital timer, and a carbon filter/housing to install and automatic flush in-line on our 160L water maker. I have it set for 6 minutes, 2 days a week. I can disable it by closing the flush valve that was installed by Amel at the time 387 was produced. Open the valve and it automatically flushes twice a week. I have had no problem with forgetting to flush! On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hi Keith, can't help you with the pressure issues but the rotten egg smell happens when salt water is left in pipes. I get the same in my salt water deck wash and in the heads if they are left too long. It just flushes out. The smell seems to "gas off" and I agree you can't taste it. I find it is only the first few litres through the water maker though, then it clears so I run it to waste for a start. When we bought Ocean Pearl the water-maker was a scary mystery with pickling, chemical cleaning and no idea what to do. This forum lead us to just back flush with fresh water after use and do nothing else. Had happy trouble free years since.. Can leave it months and start it up,
run the first few litres to waste and there you have it sweet clean water. Currently on about 150 ppm with the solids detector. It would be at least three years since we put any shore water in the tank. I also have a problem wi
th my water-maker, which is the 50l/hr Dessalator unit. It's probably down to neglect. When we bought GUMA the water-maker worked (although when Olivier, who did the survey, offered me the sample to drink I did think it smelled a bit of eggs....). Then followed two years where we were frequently in marinas where good quality water was available and so the water-maker was not required .... or used. Such was my ignorance. 'Use it or lose i
t', I have been told - too late, inevitably. So at the end of last year I tried making some water for the first time, really, since buying the boat: - The sampling tube on the control panel did not produce any water. I had my sample anyway as I had disconnected the outlet feed from the water-maker to the tank, to protect both the tank and its existing content from contamination, having been told not to trust the 'good / bad' sensor on the control panel and remembering the eggy smell.
- The water emerging from the feed tube was super-eggy! It tasted OK, but the smell was bad.
I was advised that there was probably microbial contamination on the membranes and that I should pickle them for a while. So I acquired some steriliser and, following the instructions in the multi-lingual brochure from Dessalator, infused the device with it. That was just before spending 4 months in Licata marina for the winter 2014/15. As soon as we were in clean seas this season I tried the water-maker again. Rinsing with fresh water, then switching the va
lve back to seawater and following the instructions: - The water maker seemed to be acting normally, and I increased the pressure.
- Nothing from the sampling pipe (as expected from before)
- Nothing from the feed pipe to the tanks - which I had again removed to collect whatever was made.
- Then the device switched itself off - maybe due to excess pressure (I was in the engine room observing proceedings from there - mechanically everything looked fine).
On subsequent attempts to run the water-maker the device seems not to generate any pressure. Running on 'open', water is pumped through the system and out through the hull. On increasing the pressure valve by turning clockwise there is very l ittle response on the gauge, little action in the manometer tube, and, at high pressure settings, no discernable water being ejected through the hull skin fitting. Needless to say, no water from the reservoir feed-tube either. It seems to me that the pump cannot be generating pressure - or a protective sensor is stopping it (but not switching off the pump). Any thoughts on what has happened, why, and what I should do about it? Currently in Thasos, N Greece.
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