[Amel Yacht Owners] SM 53 mainsail halyard


VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Joel,

Thank you very much. That is very helpful.

My boat changed hands 2 times. Most likely original halyard is replaced. Now I have a bowline knot loop at the end of mainsail halyard. Is the method that you described going to work if I attached a messenger line to bowline loop? Perhaps the nut is too big and can jam  in the mast. Does original  halyard have spliced loop? Please describe both ends of the original halyard.

I am cruising Carabbian now. I think that I have to be ready to drop mainsail if something goes wrong.

On Jan 1, 2016 1:18 PM, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hello Mr. Sonsev. When your boat was first delivered, it had onboard a long three strand line that is less than 2cm in diameter. When removing the mainsail, this line was tied to the eye at the end of the main halyard which allowed the sail to be lowered as the three strand would go into the mast and would act as a ‘messenger’ so you could use it to pull the mainsail back up. There is an additional line, exactly the same size/color as the main halyard, about three meters in length. It is used to ‘tighten’ the main halyard. You put the eye of this line on the vertically mounted car on the main mast that the permanent halyard is attached to. The temporary adjuster line is lead to the winch and the vertical adjustment car is repositioned this way to set halyard tension.
>
>  
>
> From memory, the messenger line is about 40-45 meters in length, but my memory is not infallible.
>
>  
>
> This system works well as it leaves the big winch free for the ballooner halyard and reserve external halyard that most SM 53 had fitted optionally.
>
>  
>
> Some people have fitted a full length conventional halyard and when outfitted with a ‘line stopper’ such as is fitted on the mizzen halyard, works well too.
>
>  
>
> Have fun with your Amel. Joel
>
> Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
>
> THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
>
> 954 462 5869 office
>
> 954 812 2485 cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:01 PM
> To: amelyachtowners@...
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Running rigging type and length
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I bought Amel-Super-Maramu hull 345 "Life is Good" recently.
> Mainsail halyard exits from the mast only for about one meter. If I drop mainsail the end will get pool in the mast.
> This thread recommends mainsail length to be 17.2 m. I question this recommendation.
> Normally we use mainsail halyard 2.5 of the mast length. We have 16.5 m mast. Therefore mainsail halyard mast be about 41 m.
> Please recommend mainsail halyard length and diameter. I plan to use polyester line.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU!!!.
>
> Vladimir Sonsev
> S/V LIFE IS GOOD
> SM 345.
>
>


Eric Freedman
 

Hi,

Is the halyard teal colored with a yellow tracer and a bowline on the end?

 

If so there should be another piece of the same line about 3 -4 feet long with a loop on it.

You tie the long 3 strand line to the loop on the end of the halyard with a long bowline.

 

You then take the short teal colored line and put it on the bottom hook of the track car.

You put the short line on a winch and tighten it with a winch so you can release the tension on the locking pin of the car. As soon as the car is lose you can let it slide to the top of the car track and remove the halyard line with 3 strand attached. It might jam at the mast cutout. Just stand on a winch and help the knot through the cutout.

 

The main should then be able to be pulled down.

The reverse procedure is used to raise the main.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 2:32 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 53 mainsail halyard

 

 

Joel,

Thank you very much. That is very helpful.

My boat changed hands 2 times. Most likely original halyard is replaced. Now I have a bowline knot loop at the end of mainsail halyard. Is the method that you described going to work if I attached a messenger line to bowline loop? Perhaps the nut is too big and can jam  in the mast. Does original  halyard have spliced loop? Please describe both ends of the original halyard.

I am cruising Carabbian now. I think that I have to be ready to drop mainsail if something goes wrong.

On Jan 1, 2016 1:18 PM, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hello Mr. Sonsev. When your boat was first delivered, it had onboard a long three strand line that is less than 2cm in diameter. When removing the mainsail, this line was tied to the eye at the end of the main halyard which allowed the sail to be lowered as the three strand would go into the mast and would act as a ‘messenger’ so you could use it to pull the mainsail back up. There is an additional line, exactly the same size/color as the main halyard, about three meters in length. It is used to ‘tighten’ the main halyard. You put the eye of this line on the vertically mounted car on the main mast that the permanent halyard is attached to. The temporary adjuster line is lead to the winch and the vertical adjustment car is repositioned this way to set halyard tension.
>
>  
>
> From memory, the messenger line is about 40-45 meters in length, but my memory is not infallible.
>
>  
>
> This system works well as it leaves the big winch free for the ballooner halyard and reserve external halyard that most SM 53 had fitted optionally.
>
>  
>
> Some people have fitted a full length conventional halyard and when outfitted with a ‘line stopper’ such as is fitted on the mizzen halyard, works well too.
>
>  
>
> Have fun with your Amel. Joel
>
> Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
>
> THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
>
> 954 462 5869 office
>
> 954 812 2485 cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:01 PM
> To: amelyachtowners@...
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Running rigging type and length
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I bought Amel-Super-Maramu hull 345 "Life is Good" recently.
> Mainsail halyard exits from the mast only for about one meter. If I drop mainsail the end will get pool in the mast.
> This thread recommends mainsail length to be 17.2 m. I question this recommendation.
> Normally we use mainsail halyard 2.5 of the mast length. We have 16.5 m mast. Therefore mainsail halyard mast be about 41 m.
> Please recommend mainsail halyard length and diameter. I plan to use polyester line.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU!!!.
>
> Vladimir Sonsev
> S/V LIFE IS GOOD
> SM 345.
>
>


VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Hi Eric,

Thanks for your help. Yes the halyard colors blue and yellow as original line. But the loop at the halyard end is not spliced. The loop is made by bowline knot. It looks like it can't go thought the mast slot, but perhaps I have to try. Original 3 straddle line is not on the boat. I will buy a new one. Please advise the length. I think it should be 18-20 m.

On Jan 1, 2016 4:19 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

Is the halyard teal colored with a yellow tracer and a bowline on the end?

 

If so there should be another piece of the same line about 3 -4 feet long with a loop on it.

You tie the long 3 strand line to the loop on the end of the halyard with a long bowline.

 

You then take the short teal colored line and put it on the bottom hook of the track car.

You put the short line on a winch and tighten it with a winch so you can release the tension on the locking pin of the car. As soon as the car is lose you can let it slide to the top of the car track and remove the halyard line with 3 strand attached. It might jam at the mast cutout. Just stand on a winch and help the knot through the cutout.

 

The main should then be able to be pulled down.

The reverse procedure is used to raise the main.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 2:32 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 53 mainsail halyard

 

 

Joel,

Thank you very much. That is very helpful.

My boat changed hands 2 times. Most likely original halyard is replaced. Now I have a bowline knot loop at the end of mainsail halyard. Is the method that you described going to work if I attached a messenger line to bowline loop? Perhaps the nut is too big and can jam  in the mast. Does original  halyard have spliced loop? Please describe both ends of the original halyard.

I am cruising Carabbian now. I think that I have to be ready to drop mainsail if something goes wrong.

On Jan 1, 2016 1:18 PM, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hello Mr. Sonsev. When your boat was first delivered, it had onboard a long three strand line that is less than 2cm in diameter. When removing the mainsail, this line was tied to the eye at the end of the main halyard which allowed the sail to be lowered as the three strand would go into the mast and would act as a ‘messenger’ so you could use it to pull the mainsail back up. There is an additional line, exactly the same size/color as the main halyard, about three meters in length. It is used to ‘tighten’ the main halyard. You put the eye of this line on the vertically mounted car on the main mast that the permanent halyard is attached to. The temporary adjuster line is lead to the winch and the vertical adjustment car is repositioned this way to set halyard tension.
>
>  
>
> From memory, the messenger line is about 40-45 meters in length, but my memory is not infallible.
>
>  
>
> This system works well as it leaves the big winch free for the ballooner halyard and reserve external halyard that most SM 53 had fitted optionally.
>
>  
>
> Some people have fitted a full length conventional halyard and when outfitted with a ‘line stopper’ such as is fitted on the mizzen halyard, works well too.
>
>  
>
> Have fun with your Amel. Joel
>
> Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
>
> THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
>
> 954 462 5869 office
>
> 954 812 2485 cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:01 PM
> To: amelyachtowners@...
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Running rigging type and length
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I bought Amel-Super-Maramu hull 345 "Life is Good" recently.
> Mainsail halyard exits from the mast only for about one meter. If I drop mainsail the end will get pool in the mast.
> This thread recommends mainsail length to be 17.2 m. I question this recommendation.
> Normally we use mainsail halyard 2.5 of the mast length. We have 16.5 m mast. Therefore mainsail halyard mast be about 41 m.
> Please recommend mainsail halyard length and diameter. I plan to use polyester line.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU!!!.
>
> Vladimir Sonsev
> S/V LIFE IS GOOD
> SM 345.
>
>


Eric Freedman
 

Hi,

The loop does have a bowline in it.

I am not on Kimberlite now, I am in NY and she is in Colombia.

I would just buy a bunch of line, it will come in handy for other projects.

If you look at the mast slot it is open more at the center than the top or bottom. That is where  the bowlines will go through. Make sure you tie a long bowline on the 3 strand so you do not have to pass 2 knots through the slot at the same time.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 5:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 53 mainsail halyard

 

 

Hi Eric,

Thanks for your help. Yes the halyard colors blue and yellow as original line. But the loop at the halyard end is not spliced. The loop is made by bowline knot. It looks like it can't go thought the mast slot, but perhaps I have to try. Original 3 straddle line is not on the boat. I will buy a new one. Please advise the length. I think it should be 18-20 m.

On Jan 1, 2016 4:19 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

Is the halyard teal colored with a yellow tracer and a bowline on the end?

 

If so there should be another piece of the same line about 3 -4 feet long with a loop on it.

You tie the long 3 strand line to the loop on the end of the halyard with a long bowline.

 

You then take the short teal colored line and put it on the bottom hook of the track car.

You put the short line on a winch and tighten it with a winch so you can release the tension on the locking pin of the car. As soon as the car is lose you can let it slide to the top of the car track and remove the halyard line with 3 strand attached. It might jam at the mast cutout. Just stand on a winch and help the knot through the cutout.

 

The main should then be able to be pulled down.

The reverse procedure is used to raise the main.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 2:32 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 53 mainsail halyard

 

 

Joel,

Thank you very much. That is very helpful.

My boat changed hands 2 times. Most likely original halyard is replaced. Now I have a bowline knot loop at the end of mainsail halyard. Is the method that you described going to work if I attached a messenger line to bowline loop? Perhaps the nut is too big and can jam  in the mast. Does original  halyard have spliced loop? Please describe both ends of the original halyard.

I am cruising Carabbian now. I think that I have to be ready to drop mainsail if something goes wrong.

On Jan 1, 2016 1:18 PM, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hello Mr. Sonsev. When your boat was first delivered, it had onboard a long three strand line that is less than 2cm in diameter. When removing the mainsail, this line was tied to the eye at the end of the main halyard which allowed the sail to be lowered as the three strand would go into the mast and would act as a ‘messenger’ so you could use it to pull the mainsail back up. There is an additional line, exactly the same size/color as the main halyard, about three meters in length. It is used to ‘tighten’ the main halyard. You put the eye of this line on the vertically mounted car on the main mast that the permanent halyard is attached to. The temporary adjuster line is lead to the winch and the vertical adjustment car is repositioned this way to set halyard tension.
>
>  
>
> From memory, the messenger line is about 40-45 meters in length, but my memory is not infallible.
>
>  
>
> This system works well as it leaves the big winch free for the ballooner halyard and reserve external halyard that most SM 53 had fitted optionally.
>
>  
>
> Some people have fitted a full length conventional halyard and when outfitted with a ‘line stopper’ such as is fitted on the mizzen halyard, works well too.
>
>  
>
> Have fun with your Amel. Joel
>
> Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
>
> THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
>
> 954 462 5869 office
>
> 954 812 2485 cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:01 PM
> To: amelyachtowners@...
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Running rigging type and length
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I bought Amel-Super-Maramu hull 345 "Life is Good" recently.
> Mainsail halyard exits from the mast only for about one meter. If I drop mainsail the end will get pool in the mast.
> This thread recommends mainsail length to be 17.2 m. I question this recommendation.
> Normally we use mainsail halyard 2.5 of the mast length. We have 16.5 m mast. Therefore mainsail halyard mast be about 41 m.
> Please recommend mainsail halyard length and diameter. I plan to use polyester line.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU!!!.
>
> Vladimir Sonsev
> S/V LIFE IS GOOD
> SM 345.
>
>


Eric Freedman
 

I forgot to mention that the blue  line is Vectran expensive stuff.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 5:32 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 53 mainsail halyard

 

 

Hi,

The loop does have a bowline in it.

I am not on Kimberlite now, I am in NY and she is in Colombia.

I would just buy a bunch of line, it will come in handy for other projects.

If you look at the mast slot it is open more at the center than the top or bottom. That is where  the bowlines will go through. Make sure you tie a long bowline on the 3 strand so you do not have to pass 2 knots through the slot at the same time.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 5:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 53 mainsail halyard

 

 

Hi Eric,

Thanks for your help. Yes the halyard colors blue and yellow as original line. But the loop at the halyard end is not spliced. The loop is made by bowline knot. It looks like it can't go thought the mast slot, but perhaps I have to try. Original 3 straddle line is not on the boat. I will buy a new one. Please advise the length. I think it should be 18-20 m.

On Jan 1, 2016 4:19 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

Is the halyard teal colored with a yellow tracer and a bowline on the end?

 

If so there should be another piece of the same line about 3 -4 feet long with a loop on it.

You tie the long 3 strand line to the loop on the end of the halyard with a long bowline.

 

You then take the short teal colored line and put it on the bottom hook of the track car.

You put the short line on a winch and tighten it with a winch so you can release the tension on the locking pin of the car. As soon as the car is lose you can let it slide to the top of the car track and remove the halyard line with 3 strand attached. It might jam at the mast cutout. Just stand on a winch and help the knot through the cutout.

 

The main should then be able to be pulled down.

The reverse procedure is used to raise the main.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 2:32 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 53 mainsail halyard

 

 

Joel,

Thank you very much. That is very helpful.

My boat changed hands 2 times. Most likely original halyard is replaced. Now I have a bowline knot loop at the end of mainsail halyard. Is the method that you described going to work if I attached a messenger line to bowline loop? Perhaps the nut is too big and can jam  in the mast. Does original  halyard have spliced loop? Please describe both ends of the original halyard.

I am cruising Carabbian now. I think that I have to be ready to drop mainsail if something goes wrong.

On Jan 1, 2016 1:18 PM, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hello Mr. Sonsev. When your boat was first delivered, it had onboard a long three strand line that is less than 2cm in diameter. When removing the mainsail, this line was tied to the eye at the end of the main halyard which allowed the sail to be lowered as the three strand would go into the mast and would act as a ‘messenger’ so you could use it to pull the mainsail back up. There is an additional line, exactly the same size/color as the main halyard, about three meters in length. It is used to ‘tighten’ the main halyard. You put the eye of this line on the vertically mounted car on the main mast that the permanent halyard is attached to. The temporary adjuster line is lead to the winch and the vertical adjustment car is repositioned this way to set halyard tension.
>
>  
>
> From memory, the messenger line is about 40-45 meters in length, but my memory is not infallible.
>
>  
>
> This system works well as it leaves the big winch free for the ballooner halyard and reserve external halyard that most SM 53 had fitted optionally.
>
>  
>
> Some people have fitted a full length conventional halyard and when outfitted with a ‘line stopper’ such as is fitted on the mizzen halyard, works well too.
>
>  
>
> Have fun with your Amel. Joel
>
> Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
>
> THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
>
> 954 462 5869 office
>
> 954 812 2485 cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:01 PM
> To: amelyachtowners@...
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Running rigging type and length
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I bought Amel-Super-Maramu hull 345 "Life is Good" recently.
> Mainsail halyard exits from the mast only for about one meter. If I drop mainsail the end will get pool in the mast.
> This thread recommends mainsail length to be 17.2 m. I question this recommendation.
> Normally we use mainsail halyard 2.5 of the mast length. We have 16.5 m mast. Therefore mainsail halyard mast be about 41 m.
> Please recommend mainsail halyard length and diameter. I plan to use polyester line.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU!!!.
>
> Vladimir Sonsev
> S/V LIFE IS GOOD
> SM 345.
>
>


seafeverofcuan@...
 

Vladimir,
           When your boat was brand new Amel typically used a clever knot on all of the halyards and outhaul ropes.
The tail of the rope is whipped with cord back on to the standing part of the halyard which means two things.

1. The knot will never unravel when there is tension on it.

BUT

2. You can slacken the knot as much as you like when there is no tension and then the halyard will very easily slide through the gate in the mast. Once you have the halyard back inside the mast them you can tighten up the knot again.

I appreciate this all sounds confusing, but maybe if you have a look at all of the ropes on your boat there might be an original halyard and you will easily identify it as you will see the cord whipping on the standing (longest) part of the rope. The you can see how simple it is.

Years ago I cut off one of these knots from an old halyard and kept in in a drawer so that I could always copy it correctly.

Good luck.

Trevor

Seafever SM 425
Ireland


VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Trevo,

Thanks for your recommendations.

Vladimir
S/V Life is Good
SM 345

On Jan 1, 2016 6:53 PM, "seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Vladimir,

           When your boat was brand new Amel typically used a clever knot on all of the halyards and outhaul ropes.
The tail of the rope is whipped with cord back on to the standing part of the halyard which means two things.

1. The knot will never unravel when there is tension on it.

BUT

2. You can slacken the knot as much as you like when there is no tension and then the halyard will very easily slide through the gate in the mast. Once you have the halyard back inside the mast them you can tighten up the knot again.

I appreciate this all sounds confusing, but maybe if you have a look at all of the ropes on your boat there might be an original halyard and you will easily identify it as you will see the cord whipping on the standing (longest) part of the rope. The you can see how simple it is.

Years ago I cut off one of these knots from an old halyard and kept in in a drawer so that I could always copy it correctly.

Good luck.

Trevor

Seafever SM 425
Ireland