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sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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Hi Eric,
You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday.
I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement.
Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow?
Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"
Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Vladimir, The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:07 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3 Hi Eric, You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday. I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement. Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange?
Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"
Vladimir, The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 Hi Eric, You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday. I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement. Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Mine was cast stainless steel. I did not bother to measure it since it was a perfect fit. However from memory (I am not on the boat) it wasn’t 12 mm thick. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 2:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3 That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" On Mar 6, 2016 3:17 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Vladimir, The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 Hi Eric, You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday. I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement. Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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Good that the pins were long to accommodate the flange.
Mine was cast stainless steel. I did not bother to measure it since it was a perfect fit. However from memory (I am not on the boat) it wasn’t 12 mm thick. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" On Mar 6, 2016 3:17 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Vladimir, The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 Hi Eric, You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday. I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement. Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
Hey Vladimir, hope life is good on "Life is Good?" I am sure you are having a good time down in Guadeloupe. I was there last year about this time, right before we met at the St. James Club in Antigua. Sure wish I was there again now.
I am up here still in Annapolis on the hard waiting for my new engine. I pulled out the original and it had extensive saltwater intrusion in the exhaust manifold and inside the head. I am installing a new D3-150, which should be here in mid May. In the meantime I am wrapping up a lot of upgrades to the boat.
Take care and hope to see you sometime soon. What are your plans for the summer? What ever happened to White Star?
Thanks, Jamie Wendell s/v Phantom Amel 54
On Sunday, March 6, 2016 4:07 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
Good that the pins were long to accommodate the flange.
Mine was cast stainless steel. I did not bother to measure it since it was a perfect fit. However from memory (I am not on the boat) it wasn’t 12 mm thick. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" Vladimir, The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 Hi Eric, You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday. I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement. Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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Hi Jamei,
I am very happy to hear from you.
Very sorry that you have to replase the engine. Is D3-150 Yanmar?
I just replased the mixing elbow. I bought new fabricated elbow. I did j want to try pin change. Because it too much risk that a pin breaks. I also could not find a shop that can fix cast elbow fast and inexpensive.
Currently I am handling all problems that are happening on the boat. I did not try to fix the watermaker. I will do that at home. I hope to be in Annapolis in May.
Write me: sonsev52@...
Will see you soon.
Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
Hey Vladimir, hope life is good on "Life is Good?" I am sure you are having a good time down in Guadeloupe. I was there last year about this time, right before we met at the St. James Club in Antigua. Sure wish I was there again now.
I am up here still in Annapolis on the hard waiting for my new engine. I pulled out the original and it had extensive saltwater intrusion in the exhaust manifold and inside the head. I am installing a new D3-150, which should be here in mid May. In the meantime I am wrapping up a lot of upgrades to the boat.
Take care and hope to see you sometime soon. What are your plans for the summer? What ever happened to White Star?
Thanks, Jamie Wendell s/v Phantom Amel 54
Good that the pins were long to accommodate the flange.
Mine was cast stainless steel. I did not bother to measure it since it was a perfect fit. However from memory (I am not on the boat) it wasn’t 12 mm thick. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" Vladimir, The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 Hi Eric, You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday. I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement. Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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Good Day Jamie Only as i'm wondering? You install a new engine in your amel 54? What was your decision to do this investment? Saltwater intrusion ? And then you change the hole engine? Was it easy in terms of alignement we spoke a lot of in this forum ? Fair winds Hanspeter SM/ Tamango 2
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Hey Vladimir, hope life is good on "Life is Good?" I am sure you are having a good time down in Guadeloupe. I was there last year about this time, right before we met at the St. James Club in Antigua. Sure wish I was there again now.
I am up here still in Annapolis on the hard waiting for my new engine. I pulled out the original and it had extensive saltwater intrusion in the exhaust manifold and inside the head. I am installing a new D3-150, which should be here in mid May. In the meantime I am wrapping up a lot of upgrades to the boat.
Take care and hope to see you sometime soon. What are your plans for the summer? What ever happened to White Star?
Thanks, Jamie Wendell s/v Phantom Amel 54
Good that the pins were long to accommodate the flange.
On Mar 6, 2016 2:57 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Mine was cast stainless steel. I did not bother to measure it since it was a perfect fit. However from memory (I am not on the boat) it wasn’t 12 mm thick. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" Vladimir, The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 Hi Eric, You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday. I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement. Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
As Mike suggested I will pass on the nitty-gritty details (both the findings and my rationale for buying new) once I get my new engine installed and operational. I will also post photos of the salt and corrosion in the cylinder head. There were a number of factors that drove my final decision.
Delivery, unfortunately, is not until mid May. Volvo Penta builds these engines one at a time (unless you are a mass orderer like Amel). I decided to go with a more powerful but same footprint D3-150. It was actually a few hundred dollars less than the original D3-110 - why not?
Vladimir, looking forward to your "return."
Until then, Jamie Wendell s/v Phantom Amel 54
On Monday, March 7, 2016 6:30 PM, "'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
Good Day Jamie Only as i'm wondering? You install a new engine in your amel 54? What was your decision to do this investment? Saltwater intrusion ? And then you change the hole engine? Was it easy in terms of alignement we spoke a lot of in this forum ? Fair winds Hanspeter SM/ Tamango 2
Von meinem iPad gesendet
Hey Vladimir, hope life is good on "Life is Good?" I am sure you are having a good time down in Guadeloupe. I was there last year about this time, right before we met at the St. James Club in Antigua. Sure wish I was there again now.
I am up here still in Annapolis on the hard waiting for my new engine. I pulled out the original and it had extensive saltwater intrusion in the exhaust manifold and inside the head. I am installing a new D3-150, which should be here in mid May. In the meantime I am wrapping up a lot of upgrades to the boat.
Take care and hope to see you sometime soon. What are your plans for the summer? What ever happened to White Star?
Thanks, Jamie Wendell s/v Phantom Amel 54
Good that the pins were long to accommodate the flange.
On Mar 6, 2016 2:57 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Mine was cast stainless steel. I did not bother to measure it since it was a perfect fit. However from memory (I am not on the boat) it wasn’t 12 mm thick. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 That is good.
Did you get cast steel elbow with 12 mm thick flange? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" Vladimir, The elbow I received from an eBay supplier was a perfect fit. I did not need to use and gasket sealer. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 Hi Eric, You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday. I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement. Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow? Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good" Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Vladimir,
I did not see what engine you have, BUT, the one I bought from an eBay supplier was a simple installation and perfect fit on my 100hp Yanmar 4JH3-HTE, and several other Yanmar models owned by non-Amel friends who have the 56hp, 75hp, and 110hp Yanmar.
Bill BeBe
Hi Eric,
You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday.
I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement.
Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow?
Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"
On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow. Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break. On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which protruded from the nut are no longer usful. I can install fabricated flange without a problem, but I can't use cast elbow with thick flange. I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP. I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange. Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it. I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.
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Bill,
I bought the same mixing elbow as all of you. But it has thick mounting flange 12 mm and mounting pins on my engine were not long sufficiently to accommodate thick flange. Fabricated elbow has 6 mm flange.
Vladimir,
I did not see what engine you have, BUT, the one I bought from an eBay supplier was a simple installation and perfect fit on my 100hp Yanmar 4JH3-HTE, and several other Yanmar models owned by non-Amel friends who have the 56hp, 75hp, and 110hp Yanmar.
Bill BeBe
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Vladamir,
I am going to look into my crystal ball for your engine type...but, in the mean time, I am guessing that you have a Yanmar based on your hull number and assuming it is the original engine. So you either have the 75hp or 70-"something" hp or the 100hp.
There are no "pins" on the 100hp Yanmar, originally installed by Amel on BeBe #387; and the flange on the casted stainless elbow that I bought from the eBay seller and I installed is 12mm. It installs by installing the metal gasket, then installing the elbow over threaded studs that have nuts to tighten the elbow in place.
So, since you mention "pins" and since you say the "pins" are not long enough, I must assume that either someone has modified your 100hp Yanmar, changed the original engine, OR, maybe you have the 70-"something" hp Yanmar...OR, possibly when you refer to "pins" you are referring to the threaded metal studs. If this is the case, probably someone changed those studs and did not buy the correct length.
Can you please tell me which of the above it is? And, tell me what model Yanmar and serial number you have. I suspect an engine modification or engine change is the source of your problem.
Bill BeBe 387 Rodney Bay Marina
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Bill,
I bought the same mixing elbow as all of you. But it has thick mounting flange 12 mm and mounting pins on my engine were not long sufficiently to accommodate thick flange. Fabricated elbow has 6 mm flange.
On Mar 8, 2016 12:43 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Vladimir,
I did not see what engine you have, BUT, the one I bought from an eBay supplier was a simple installation and perfect fit on my 100hp Yanmar 4JH3-HTE, and several other Yanmar models owned by non-Amel friends who have the 56hp, 75hp, and 110hp Yanmar.
Bill BeBe
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I should of say threaded pins or threaded studs. I have the same arranment as you have. But with 12 mm flange it was only 1 full thread left for a nut to engage. The threads at the end of the threaded pins were compromised by corrosion.
Vladamir,
I am going to look into my crystal ball for your engine type...but, in the mean time, I am guessing that you have a Yanmar based on your hull number and assuming it is the original engine. So you either have the 75hp or 70-"something" hp or the 100hp.
There are no "pins" on the 100hp Yanmar, originally installed by Amel on BeBe #387; and the flange on the casted stainless elbow that I bought from the eBay seller and I installed is 12mm. It installs by installing the metal gasket, then installing the elbow over threaded studs that have nuts to tighten the elbow in place.
So, since you mention "pins" and since you say the "pins" are not long enough, I must assume that either someone has modified your 100hp Yanmar, changed the original engine, OR, maybe you have the 70-"something" hp Yanmar...OR, possibly when you refer to "pins" you are referring to the threaded metal studs. If this is the case, probably someone changed those studs and did not buy the correct length.
Can you please tell me which of the above it is? And, tell me what model Yanmar and serial number you have. I suspect an engine modification or engine change is the source of your problem.
Bill BeBe 387 Rodney Bay Marina
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Well, Vladamir, you posted a warning that others should NOT buy this cast stainless steel elbow, when, in fact, it did not fit your Yanmar because the length of the threaded studs have been compromised.
When I tightened the nuts on BeBe I had 8mm of stud which went all the way through the nut. I think all of us owners. me included, need to be careful in making recommendations to other owners based on assumptions that our boat is exactly as it was delivered from Amel. I have seen this happen many times and I cringe when others are given bad information. Again, I say that I am not without fault, but I try vigorously to make accurate postings because others may make decisions on what I say.
The bottom line is that the cast stainless steel mixing elbow did not fit your Yanmar because the studs are now shorter than they were originally.
You never answered my very direct questions as to which model Yanmar and serial number. But, in a genuine effort to help you, I am betting that you have a Yanmar. And regardless of the horsepower, that "stud" you speak of is threaded on both ends and screws into the engine block. It is Yanmar Part Number 128170-13600 and is item number 31 on the exploded view of the parts catalog...additionally, item numbers 17 & 18, parts numbers 22137-080000 and 26703-080002, washer and nut respectively. You will need 3 of each.
My Recommendation: Replace the studs, the washers, and the nuts and your stainless steel casted elbow will fit perfectly...or grind down the elbow flange, and I am very sure that it will fail. The choice is yours and any blame has nothing to do with Yanmar, the eBay seller of the mixing elbow, or the Amel owner who recommended this elbow to you.
Best,
Bill BeBe 387 Rodney Bay Marina
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I should of say threaded pins or threaded studs. I have the same arranment as you have. But with 12 mm flange it was only 1 full thread left for a nut to engage. The threads at the end of the threaded pins were compromised by corrosion.
On Mar 8, 2016 2:44 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Vladamir,
I am going to look into my crystal ball for your engine type...but, in the mean time, I am guessing that you have a Yanmar based on your hull number and assuming it is the original engine. So you either have the 75hp or 70-"something" hp or the 100hp.
There are no "pins" on the 100hp Yanmar, originally installed by Amel on BeBe #387; and the flange on the casted stainless elbow that I bought from the eBay seller and I installed is 12mm. It installs by installing the metal gasket, then installing the elbow over threaded studs that have nuts to tighten the elbow in place.
So, since you mention "pins" and since you say the "pins" are not long enough, I must assume that either someone has modified your 100hp Yanmar, changed the original engine, OR, maybe you have the 70-"something" hp Yanmar...OR, possibly when you refer to "pins" you are referring to the threaded metal studs. If this is the case, probably someone changed those studs and did not buy the correct length.
Can you please tell me which of the above it is? And, tell me what model Yanmar and serial number you have. I suspect an engine modification or engine change is the source of your problem.
Bill BeBe 387 Rodney Bay Marina
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Bill,
You are not correct. Read my emails again. If it happened on my boat it can happen on the other boats. I am standing behind my warning and I am not going discuss it any further with you.
Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
Well, Vladamir, you posted a warning that others should NOT buy this cast stainless steel elbow, when, in fact, it did not fit your Yanmar because the length of the threaded studs have been compromised.
When I tightened the nuts on BeBe I had 8mm of stud which went all the way through the nut. I think all of us owners. me included, need to be careful in making recommendations to other owners based on assumptions that our boat is exactly as it was delivered from Amel. I have seen this happen many times and I cringe when others are given bad information. Again, I say that I am not without fault, but I try vigorously to make accurate postings because others may make decisions on what I say.
The bottom line is that the cast stainless steel mixing elbow did not fit your Yanmar because the studs are now shorter than they were originally.
You never answered my very direct questions as to which model Yanmar and serial number. But, in a genuine effort to help you, I am betting that you have a Yanmar. And regardless of the horsepower, that "stud" you speak of is threaded on both ends and screws into the engine block. It is Yanmar Part Number 128170-13600 and is item number 31 on the exploded view of the parts catalog...additionally, item numbers 17 & 18, parts numbers 22137-080000 and 26703-080002, washer and nut respectively. You will need 3 of each.
My Recommendation: Replace the studs, the washers, and the nuts and your stainless steel casted elbow will fit perfectly...or grind down the elbow flange, and I am very sure that it will fail. The choice is yours and any blame has nothing to do with Yanmar, the eBay seller of the mixing elbow, or the Amel owner who recommended this elbow to you.
Best,
Bill BeBe 387 Rodney Bay Marina
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