[Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout


Bob Grey
 

Ken, I have an Amel 55 with a single aft owners cabin, there are two designs of aft layout, but would suggest get the single aft cabin as I agree with you about a bow cabin being less comfortable sailing, but comfortable at anchor. 

Robert Grey
Renaissance 3

On Monday, March 21, 2016, 07:18, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

One thing I find counter-intuitive about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54 had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.  Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel 54 and 55.  


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic




--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --
#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span
.yiv4459840185underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p
span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv4459840185
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg
p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco
#yiv4459840185reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv4459840185


kennetholsen468@...
 

Greg -- thank you so much for the response.  I truly appreciate your input.  


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --
#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span
.yiv4459840185underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p
span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv4459840185
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg
p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco
#yiv4459840185reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv4459840185



Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --
#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span
.yiv4459840185underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p
span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv4459840185
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg
p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco
#yiv4459840185reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv4459840185




Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ken,

When looking for a used Amel, it is most important to buy one from a great owner...someone who appreciated the Amel and kept it in near new condition. There are Amels 35 years old like this, and there are Amels a few years old that have been mistreated.

I would strongly suggest that if you want the best used 53, 54, or 55, go to Joel Potter att.net>. If he believes the Amel was abused, he will not sell it or have anything to do with it. You might also consider seeing if a current Amel owner might go look at an Amel with you. I have done this a number of times and enjoy helping.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --
#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span
.yiv4459840185underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p
span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv4459840185
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg
p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco
#yiv4459840185reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv4459840185





Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Bill -- thank you for the contact!  Will follow up accordingly.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..." Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Ken,

When looking for a used Amel, it is most important to buy one from a great owner...someone who appreciated the Amel and kept it in near new condition. There are Amels 35 years old like this, and there are Amels a few years old that have been mistreated.

I would strongly suggest that if you want the best used 53, 54, or 55, go to Joel Potter att.net>. If he believes the Amel was abused, he will not sell it or have anything to do with it. You might also consider seeing if a current Amel owner might go look at an Amel with you. I have done this a number of times and enjoy helping.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --
#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span
.yiv4459840185underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p
span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv4459840185
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg
p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco
#yiv4459840185reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv4459840185







Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --

#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px

0;padding:0 10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {

color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px

0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads
{

margin-bottom:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {

padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p
{

margin:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a
{

color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {

font-family:Arial;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {

margin:10px

0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {

margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {

font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {

background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {

font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {

text-transform:uppercase;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {

color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {

color:#ff7900;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span

.yiv4459840185underline {

text-decoration:underline;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {

clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px

0;width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {

border:none;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {

display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 blockquote {

margin:0 0 0 4px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {

font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {

font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {

margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p

span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {

margin-right:0;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {

width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a,
#yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg

#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts
{

font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {

color:#628c2a;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {

margin:0 0 0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 o {

font-size:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {

float:left;width:72px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {

border:1px solid

#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {

color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {

margin:4px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{

margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {

font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,

sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {

font-size:inherit;font:100%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,

#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {

font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre,
#yiv4459840185

code {

font:115% monospace;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {

line-height:1.22em;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo
{

padding-bottom:10px;}





#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {

font-family:Verdana;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg

p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {

color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco

#yiv4459840185reco-head {

color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {

margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li a {

font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li {

font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

ul {

margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {

font-family:Georgia;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {

margin:0 0 1em 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {

font-size:120%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child
{

border-right:none !important;

}

#yiv4459840185

































#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445 --
#yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc #yiv7344436445hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc .yiv7344436445ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span
.yiv7344436445underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p
span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445file-title a, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:active, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:hover, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:active,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div#yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7344436445 input, #yiv7344436445 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7344436445
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7344436445logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg
p#yiv7344436445attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco
#yiv7344436445reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7344436445


Bob Grey
 

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --

#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px

0;padding:0 10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {

color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px

0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads
{

margin-bottom:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {

padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p
{

margin:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a
{

color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {

font-family:Arial;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {

margin:10px

0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {

margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {

font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {

background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {

font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {

text-transform:uppercase;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {

color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {

color:#ff7900;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span

.yiv4459840185underline {

text-decoration:underline;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {

clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px

0;width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {

border:none;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {

display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 blockquote {

margin:0 0 0 4px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {

font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {

font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {

margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p

span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {

margin-right:0;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {

width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a,
#yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg

#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts
{

font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {

color:#628c2a;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {

margin:0 0 0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 o {

font-size:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {

float:left;width:72px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {

border:1px solid

#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {

color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {

margin:4px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{

margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {

font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,

sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {

font-size:inherit;font:100%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,

#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {

font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre,
#yiv4459840185

code {

font:115% monospace;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {

line-height:1.22em;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo
{

padding-bottom:10px;}





#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {

font-family:Verdana;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg

p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {

color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco

#yiv4459840185reco-head {

color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {

margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li a {

font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li {

font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

ul {

margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {

font-family:Georgia;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {

margin:0 0 1em 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {

font-size:120%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child
{

border-right:none !important;

}

#yiv4459840185

































#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445 --
#yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc #yiv7344436445hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc .yiv7344436445ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span
.yiv7344436445underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p
span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445file-title a, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:active, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:hover, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:active,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div#yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7344436445 input, #yiv7344436445 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7344436445
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7344436445logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg
p#yiv7344436445attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco
#yiv7344436445reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7344436445


Bob Grey
 

Ken, the hardtop option on the 55 is the only way to go.

Bob Grey

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:03, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Bill -- thank you for the contact!  Will follow up accordingly.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Ken,

When looking for a used Amel, it is most important to buy one from a great owner...someone who appreciated the Amel and kept it in near new condition. There are Amels 35 years old like this, and there are Amels a few years old that have been mistreated.

I would strongly suggest that if you want the best used 53, 54, or 55, go to Joel Potter att.net>. If he believes the Amel was abused, he will not sell it or have anything to do with it. You might also consider seeing if a current Amel owner might go look at an Amel with you. I have done this a number of times and enjoy helping.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --
#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span
.yiv4459840185underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p
span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv4459840185
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg
p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco
#yiv4459840185reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv4459840185







Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

No question!



From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Ken, the hardtop option on the 55 is the only way to go.

Bob Grey


On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:03, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
Bill -- thank you for the contact!  Will follow up accordingly.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Ken,

When looking for a used Amel, it is most important to buy one from a great owner...someone who appreciated the Amel and kept it in near new condition. There are Amels 35 years old like this, and there are Amels a few years old that have been mistreated.

I would strongly suggest that if you want the best used 53, 54, or 55, go to Joel Potter att.net>. If he believes the Amel was abused, he will not sell it or have anything to do with it. You might also consider seeing if a current Amel owner might go look at an Amel with you. I have done this a number of times and enjoy helping.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --
#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span
.yiv4459840185underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p
span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185
div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,
#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv4459840185 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv4459840185
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg
p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco
#yiv4459840185reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor #yiv4459840185ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv4459840185









Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Bob -- thank you for this input.  Very helpful.  
Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip.  We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it.  I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.  
Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?  
Thanks in advance -- Ken.  

From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
  Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --

#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px

0;padding:0 10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {

color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px

0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads
{

margin-bottom:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {

padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p
{

margin:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a
{

color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {

font-family:Arial;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {

margin:10px

0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {

margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {

font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {

background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {

font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {

text-transform:uppercase;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {

color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {

color:#ff7900;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span

.yiv4459840185underline {

text-decoration:underline;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {

clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px

0;width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {

border:none;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {

display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 blockquote {

margin:0 0 0 4px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {

font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {

font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {

margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p

span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {

margin-right:0;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {

width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a,
#yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg

#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts
{

font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {

color:#628c2a;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {

margin:0 0 0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 o {

font-size:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {

float:left;width:72px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {

border:1px solid

#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {

color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {

margin:4px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{

margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {

font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,

sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {

font-size:inherit;font:100%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,

#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {

font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre,
#yiv4459840185

code {

font:115% monospace;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {

line-height:1.22em;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo
{

padding-bottom:10px;}





#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {

font-family:Verdana;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg

p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {

color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco

#yiv4459840185reco-head {

color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {

margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li a {

font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li {

font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

ul {

margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {

font-family:Georgia;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {

margin:0 0 1em 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {

font-size:120%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child
{

border-right:none !important;

}

#yiv4459840185

































#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445 --
#yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc #yiv7344436445hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc .yiv7344436445ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span
.yiv7344436445underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p
span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445file-title a, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:active, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:hover, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:active,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div#yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7344436445 input, #yiv7344436445 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7344436445
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7344436445logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg
p#yiv7344436445attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco
#yiv7344436445reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7344436445



#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738 -- #yiv5688795738ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mkp #yiv5688795738hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mkp #yiv5688795738ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mkp .yiv5688795738ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mkp .yiv5688795738ad p {margin:0;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mkp .yiv5688795738ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-sponsor #yiv5688795738ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-sponsor #yiv5688795738ygrp-lc #yiv5688795738hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-sponsor #yiv5688795738ygrp-lc .yiv5688795738ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738activity span .yiv5688795738underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5688795738 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5688795738 dd.yiv5688795738last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5688795738 dd.yiv5688795738last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5688795738 dd.yiv5688795738last p span.yiv5688795738yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738file-title a, #yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738file-title a:active, #yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738file-title a:hover, #yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738photo-title a, #yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738photo-title a:active, #yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738photo-title a:hover, #yiv5688795738 div.yiv5688795738photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5688795738 div#yiv5688795738ygrp-mlmsg #yiv5688795738ygrp-msg p a span.yiv5688795738yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv5688795738 o {font-size:0;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738photos div div {border:1px solid #666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738photos div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv5688795738 .yiv5688795738replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv5688795738 input, #yiv5688795738 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv5688795738 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-mlmsg #yiv5688795738logo {padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-msg p a {font-family:Verdana;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-msg p#yiv5688795738attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-reco #yiv5688795738reco-head {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-reco {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-sponsor #yiv5688795738ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-sponsor #yiv5688795738ov li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-sponsor #yiv5688795738ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em 0;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv5688795738 #yiv5688795738ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}#yiv5688795738


hanspeter baettig
 

Ken
Only my 1 cent input. Why you do not buy an Amel 64 , so as you said "looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages"
As I understand you , you talk about 54, 55 etc. ( for me its a huge different of boats) so I assume money is not the main decision maker for you. I think buying a yacht is easy. Maintaining the boat ( you said you have a 5 years calender ??) Thats the real challange and money.

As I said, only my one cent input
Hanspeter
SM 16, Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 22.03.2016 um 13:24 schrieb Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

Bob -- thank you for this input. Very helpful.

Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip. We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it. I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.

Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?

Thanks in advance -- Ken.


From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout


Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result.

I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.

Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat.

Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.

There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker.

I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.

I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.

I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part.

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection.



Bob

Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM












Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel.
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

























After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM

























One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout. I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward. The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas? I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice. Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this. We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.



















#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --

#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px

0;padding:0 10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {

color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px

0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads
{

margin-bottom:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {

padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p
{

margin:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a
{

color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {

font-family:Arial;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {

margin:10px

0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {

margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {

font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {

background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {

font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {

text-transform:uppercase;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {

color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {

color:#ff7900;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span

.yiv4459840185underline {

text-decoration:underline;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {

clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px

0;width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {

border:none;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {

display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 blockquote {

margin:0 0 0 4px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {

font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {

font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {

margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p

span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {

margin-right:0;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {

width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a,
#yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg

#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts
{

font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {

color:#628c2a;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {

margin:0 0 0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 o {

font-size:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {

float:left;width:72px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {

border:1px solid

#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {

color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {

margin:4px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{

margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {

font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,

sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {

font-size:inherit;font:100%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,

#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {

font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre,
#yiv4459840185

code {

font:115% monospace;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {

line-height:1.22em;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo
{

padding-bottom:10px;}





#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {

font-family:Verdana;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg

p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {

color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco

#yiv4459840185reco-head {

color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {

margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li a {

font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li {

font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

ul {

margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {

font-family:Georgia;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {

margin:0 0 1em 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {

font-size:120%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child
{

border-right:none !important;

}

#yiv4459840185

































#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445 --
#yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc #yiv7344436445hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc .yiv7344436445ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span
.yiv7344436445underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p
span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445file-title a, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:active, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:hover, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:active,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div#yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7344436445 input, #yiv7344436445 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7344436445
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7344436445logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg
p#yiv7344436445attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco
#yiv7344436445reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7344436445



Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Great question.  Two reasons, money is always an issue, and I believe the 64 is about twice the cost of a new 55.  Plus or minus.  
And more important, the 64 has the same sub-optimal layout as the 55.  All the extra room seems to be for common areas, and if I'm not mistaken, the sea berth is absent, so you could even say it's less accommodating to long term guests who wish to have some private space.  
So, being motivated just by the layout, I'm still looking at the 54 as ideal, and trying to evaluate the "value proposition" of the 55 so that it justifies the sacrifice of layout.  I see no advantage to the 64, but maybe this learned group can help me.  Frankly, I'm not really into spending that much on depreciating assets if I don't have to, and as a long term boat owner of all different types, I couldn't agree with you more about the maintenance costs be logarithmically larger as you increase LOA.  
One of the ways I convinced my wife to do this was that becoming expats and not paying state income taxes for five years would offset the cost of the depreciation in the vessel, thereby making the trip "free."  :):):)  Not sure that quite works if I get a new 64.   lol



From: "'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  KenOnly my 1 cent input. Why you do not buy an Amel 64 , so as you said "looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages"As I understand you , you talk about 54, 55 etc. ( for me its a huge different of boats) so I assume money is not the main decision maker for you. I think buying a yacht is easy. Maintaining the boat ( you said you have a 5 years calender ??) Thats the real challange and money.
As I said, only my one cent inputHanspeterSM 16, Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet
Am 22.03.2016 um 13:24 schrieb Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:


  Bob -- thank you for this input.  Very helpful.  
Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip.  We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it.  I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.  
Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?  
Thanks in advance -- Ken.  

From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
  Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --

#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px

0;padding:0 10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {

color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px

0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads
{

margin-bottom:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {

padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p
{

margin:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a
{

color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {

font-family:Arial;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {

margin:10px

0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {

margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {

font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {

background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {

font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {

text-transform:uppercase;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {

color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {

color:#ff7900;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span

.yiv4459840185underline {

text-decoration:underline;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {

clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px

0;width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {

border:none;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {

display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 blockquote {

margin:0 0 0 4px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {

font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {

font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {

margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p

span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {

margin-right:0;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {

width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a,
#yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg

#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts
{

font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {

color:#628c2a;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {

margin:0 0 0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 o {

font-size:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {

float:left;width:72px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {

border:1px solid

#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {

color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {

margin:4px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{

margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {

font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,

sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {

font-size:inherit;font:100%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,

#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {

font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre,
#yiv4459840185

code {

font:115% monospace;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {

line-height:1.22em;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo
{

padding-bottom:10px;}





#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {

font-family:Verdana;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg

p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {

color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco

#yiv4459840185reco-head {

color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {

margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li a {

font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li {

font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

ul {

margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {

font-family:Georgia;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {

margin:0 0 1em 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {

font-size:120%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child
{

border-right:none !important;

}

#yiv4459840185

































#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445 --
#yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc #yiv7344436445hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc .yiv7344436445ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span
.yiv7344436445underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p
span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445file-title a, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:active, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:hover, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:active,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div#yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7344436445 input, #yiv7344436445 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7344436445
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7344436445logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg
p#yiv7344436445attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco
#yiv7344436445reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7344436445






#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008 -- #yiv6170693008ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mkp #yiv6170693008hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mkp #yiv6170693008ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mkp .yiv6170693008ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mkp .yiv6170693008ad p {margin:0;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mkp .yiv6170693008ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-sponsor #yiv6170693008ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-sponsor #yiv6170693008ygrp-lc #yiv6170693008hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-sponsor #yiv6170693008ygrp-lc .yiv6170693008ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008activity span .yiv6170693008underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6170693008 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6170693008 dd.yiv6170693008last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv6170693008 dd.yiv6170693008last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv6170693008 dd.yiv6170693008last p span.yiv6170693008yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008file-title a, #yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008file-title a:active, #yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008file-title a:hover, #yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008photo-title a, #yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008photo-title a:active, #yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008photo-title a:hover, #yiv6170693008 div.yiv6170693008photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6170693008 div#yiv6170693008ygrp-mlmsg #yiv6170693008ygrp-msg p a span.yiv6170693008yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv6170693008 o {font-size:0;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008photos div div {border:1px solid #666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008photos div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv6170693008 .yiv6170693008replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv6170693008 input, #yiv6170693008 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv6170693008 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-mlmsg #yiv6170693008logo {padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-msg p a {font-family:Verdana;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-msg p#yiv6170693008attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-reco #yiv6170693008reco-head {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-reco {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-sponsor #yiv6170693008ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-sponsor #yiv6170693008ov li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-sponsor #yiv6170693008ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em 0;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv6170693008 #yiv6170693008ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}#yiv6170693008


hanspeter baettig
 

Ok lol
Go to buy an amel , you are on the save side of sailing, independent how you finance your dream. Bluewater sailing is a way of life and like for most of us Amel owners (with or without of sea berth 😎, you can always sleep on the bottom), we like the ocean and the tradewinds.
Hanspeter

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 22.03.2016 um 21:12 schrieb Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

Great question. Two reasons, money is always an issue, and I believe the 64 is about twice the cost of a new 55. Plus or minus.

And more important, the 64 has the same sub-optimal layout as the 55. All the extra room seems to be for common areas, and if I'm not mistaken, the sea berth is absent, so you could even say it's less accommodating to long term guests who wish to have some private space.

So, being motivated just by the layout, I'm still looking at the 54 as ideal, and trying to evaluate the "value proposition" of the 55 so that it justifies the sacrifice of layout. I see no advantage to the 64, but maybe this learned group can help me. Frankly, I'm not really into spending that much on depreciating assets if I don't have to, and as a long term boat owner of all different types, I couldn't agree with you more about the maintenance costs be logarithmically larger as you increase LOA.

One of the ways I convinced my wife to do this was that becoming expats and not paying state income taxes for five years would offset the cost of the depreciation in the vessel, thereby making the trip "free." :):):) Not sure that quite works if I get a new 64. lol




From: "'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout


Ken
Only my 1 cent input. Why you do not buy an Amel 64 , so as you said "looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages"
As I understand you , you talk about 54, 55 etc. ( for me its a huge different of boats) so I assume money is not the main decision maker for you. I think buying a yacht is easy. Maintaining the boat ( you said you have a 5 years calender ??) Thats the real challange and money.

As I said, only my one cent input
Hanspeter
SM 16, Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 22.03.2016 um 13:24 schrieb Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

Bob -- thank you for this input. Very helpful.

Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip. We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it. I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.

Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?

Thanks in advance -- Ken.


From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout


Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result.

I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.

Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat.

Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.

There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker.

I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.

I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.

I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part.

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection.



Bob

Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM












Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel.
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

























After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM

























One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout. I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward. The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas? I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice. Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this. We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.



















#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --

#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px

0;padding:0 10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {

color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px

0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads
{

margin-bottom:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {

padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p
{

margin:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a
{

color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {

font-family:Arial;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {

margin:10px

0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {

margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {

font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {

background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {

font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {

text-transform:uppercase;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {

color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {

color:#ff7900;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span

.yiv4459840185underline {

text-decoration:underline;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {

clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px

0;width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {

border:none;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {

display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 blockquote {

margin:0 0 0 4px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {

font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {

font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {

margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p

span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {

margin-right:0;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {

width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a,
#yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg

#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts
{

font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {

color:#628c2a;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {

margin:0 0 0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 o {

font-size:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {

float:left;width:72px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {

border:1px solid

#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {

color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {

margin:4px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{

margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {

font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,

sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {

font-size:inherit;font:100%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,

#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {

font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre,
#yiv4459840185

code {

font:115% monospace;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {

line-height:1.22em;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo
{

padding-bottom:10px;}





#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {

font-family:Verdana;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg

p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {

color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco

#yiv4459840185reco-head {

color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {

margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li a {

font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li {

font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

ul {

margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {

font-family:Georgia;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {

margin:0 0 1em 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {

font-size:120%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child
{

border-right:none !important;

}

#yiv4459840185

































#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445 --
#yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc #yiv7344436445hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc .yiv7344436445ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span
.yiv7344436445underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p
span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445file-title a, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:active, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:hover, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:active,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div#yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7344436445 input, #yiv7344436445 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7344436445
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7344436445logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg
p#yiv7344436445attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco
#yiv7344436445reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7344436445



Bob Grey
 

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Ken I have sailed her about 5000nm with all cabins occupied. In 20-30 knots, the passageway berth is best, followed by the stern cabin, then the cockpit seats, then the bow cabin.
Light winds 10-15 anywhere or any cabin is fine.
Anchored in a bay the bow cabin is the best as there is still some wave slap under the stern to annoy you.


BobPS don't expect to actually have people sail with you, they mostly seem to bail out when the crunch time comes.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:28, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bob -- thank you for this input.  Very helpful.  
Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip.  We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it.  I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.  
Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?  
Thanks in advance -- Ken.  

From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
  Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --

#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px

0;padding:0 10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {

color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px

0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads
{

margin-bottom:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {

padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p
{

margin:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a
{

color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {

font-family:Arial;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {

margin:10px

0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {

margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {

font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {

background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {

font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {

text-transform:uppercase;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {

color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {

color:#ff7900;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span

.yiv4459840185underline {

text-decoration:underline;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {

clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px

0;width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {

border:none;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {

display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 blockquote {

margin:0 0 0 4px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {

font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {

font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {

margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p

span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {

margin-right:0;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {

width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a,
#yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg

#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts
{

font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {

color:#628c2a;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {

margin:0 0 0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 o {

font-size:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {

float:left;width:72px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {

border:1px solid

#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {

color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {

margin:4px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{

margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {

font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,

sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {

font-size:inherit;font:100%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,

#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {

font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre,
#yiv4459840185

code {

font:115% monospace;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {

line-height:1.22em;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo
{

padding-bottom:10px;}





#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {

font-family:Verdana;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg

p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {

color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco

#yiv4459840185reco-head {

color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {

margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li a {

font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li {

font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

ul {

margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {

font-family:Georgia;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {

margin:0 0 1em 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {

font-size:120%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child
{

border-right:none !important;

}

#yiv4459840185

































#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445 --
#yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc #yiv7344436445hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc .yiv7344436445ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span
.yiv7344436445underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p
span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445file-title a, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:active, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:hover, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:active,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div#yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7344436445 input, #yiv7344436445 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7344436445
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7344436445logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg
p#yiv7344436445attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco
#yiv7344436445reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7344436445


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

For what it is worth, we had 1 crew with us on our recent Atlantic
crossing. He slept in the bow berth on BeBe SM 387.

He was fine with it, but said one night he slept very little and was
airborne more than berth-born.

Bill
BeBe
On Mar 24, 2016 05:52, "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Ken I have sailed her about 5000nm with all cabins occupied. In 20-30
knots, the passageway berth is best, followed by the stern cabin, then the
cockpit seats, then the bow cabin.

Light winds 10-15 anywhere or any cabin is fine.

Anchored in a bay the bow cabin is the best as there is still some wave
slap under the stern to annoy you.


Bob
PS don't expect to actually have people sail with you, they mostly seem to
bail out when the crunch time comes.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://yho.com/footer0>

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:28, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Bob -- thank you for this input. Very helpful.

Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large
portions of trip. We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples
joining for most of it. I would agree with you about normally not having
many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually
comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually
service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.

Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward
cabin underway in weather?

Thanks in advance -- Ken.


------------------------------
*From:* "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@...>
*To:* "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout


Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and
although I can fault small things, mostly third party products,
desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling
or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed
Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern
Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many
years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not
had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I
don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result.

I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water
and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably
never get used.

Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel
tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the
boat.

Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit,
give me headroom any day.

There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small
rope locker.

I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.

I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the
alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.

I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a
cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on
another part.

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be
for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their
boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel
owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection.



Bob

Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://yho.com/footer0>

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:


Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots
of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more
accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was
1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was
smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did
things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM












Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel.
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

























After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM

























One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout. I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward. The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas? I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice. Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this. We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.



















#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --

#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px

0;padding:0 10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {

color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px

0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads
{

margin-bottom:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {

padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p
{

margin:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a
{

color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {

font-family:Arial;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {

margin:10px

0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {

margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {

font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {


background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {

font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {

text-transform:uppercase;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {

color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {

color:#ff7900;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span

.yiv4459840185underline {

text-decoration:underline;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {

clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px

0;width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {

border:none;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {

display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 blockquote {

margin:0 0 0 4px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {

font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {

font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {

margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p

span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {

margin-right:0;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {

width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a,
#yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg

#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts
{

font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {

color:#628c2a;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {

margin:0 0 0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 o {

font-size:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {

float:left;width:72px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {

border:1px solid

#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {


color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {

margin:4px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{

margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {

font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,

sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {

font-size:inherit;font:100%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,

#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {

font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre,
#yiv4459840185

code {

font:115% monospace;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {

line-height:1.22em;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo
{

padding-bottom:10px;}





#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {

font-family:Verdana;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg

p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {

color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco

#yiv4459840185reco-head {

color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {

margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li a {

font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li {

font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

ul {

margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {

font-family:Georgia;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {

margin:0 0 1em 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {

font-size:120%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child
{

border-right:none !important;

}

#yiv4459840185

































#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445 --
#yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc #yiv7344436445hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc .yiv7344436445ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity {

background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span
.yiv7344436445underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p
span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445file-title a, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:active, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:hover, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:active,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div#yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div label {

color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7344436445 input, #yiv7344436445 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7344436445
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7344436445logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg
p#yiv7344436445attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco
#yiv7344436445reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7344436445





Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Thanks, guys.  Sounds about right.  I appreciate all the input.  Now I just want to get on one myself!

From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  For what it is worth, we had 1 crew with us on our recent Atlantic crossing. He slept in the bow berth on BeBe SM 387.He was fine with it, but said one night he slept very little and was airborne more than berth-born. Bill
BeBeOn Mar 24, 2016 05:52, "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  Ken I have sailed her about 5000nm with all cabins occupied. In 20-30 knots, the passageway berth is best, followed by the stern cabin, then the cockpit seats, then the bow cabin.
Light winds 10-15 anywhere or any cabin is fine.
Anchored in a bay the bow cabin is the best as there is still some wave slap under the stern to annoy you.


BobPS don't expect to actually have people sail with you, they mostly seem to bail out when the crunch time comes.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:28, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
  Bob -- thank you for this input.  Very helpful.  
Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip.  We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it.  I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.  
Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?  
Thanks in advance -- Ken.  

From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
  Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185 --

#yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px

0;padding:0 10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp hr {

border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185hd {

color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px

0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp #yiv4459840185ads
{

margin-bottom:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad {

padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad p
{

margin:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mkp .yiv4459840185ad a
{

color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc {

font-family:Arial;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc #yiv4459840185hd {

margin:10px

0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor

#yiv4459840185ygrp-lc .yiv4459840185ad {

margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185actions {

font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity {

background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span {

font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span:first-child {

text-transform:uppercase;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span a {

color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span span {

color:#ff7900;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185activity span

.yiv4459840185underline {

text-decoration:underline;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach {

clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px

0;width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach img {

border:none;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label {

display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185attach label a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 blockquote {

margin:0 0 0 4px;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold {

font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185bold a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p a {

font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p span {

margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 dd.yiv4459840185last p

span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts {

margin-right:0;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table div div a {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185attach-table {

width:400px;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185file-title a,
#yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:active, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:hover, #yiv4459840185

div.yiv4459840185file-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:active,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:hover,

#yiv4459840185 div.yiv4459840185photo-title a:visited {

text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 div#yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg

#yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4459840185yshortcuts
{

font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185green {

color:#628c2a;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185MsoNormal {

margin:0 0 0 0;}



#yiv4459840185 o {

font-size:0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div {

float:left;width:72px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div div {

border:1px solid

#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185photos div label {

color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-category {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185reco-desc {

font-size:77%;}



#yiv4459840185 .yiv4459840185replbq {

margin:4px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-actbar div a:first-child
{

margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg {

font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,

sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg table {

font-size:inherit;font:100%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg select,

#yiv4459840185 input, #yiv4459840185 textarea {

font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg pre,
#yiv4459840185

code {

font:115% monospace;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg * {

line-height:1.22em;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4459840185logo
{

padding-bottom:10px;}





#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg p a {

font-family:Verdana;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-msg

p#yiv4459840185attach-count span {

color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco

#yiv4459840185reco-head {

color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-reco {

margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li a {

font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

li {

font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-sponsor
#yiv4459840185ov

ul {

margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text {

font-family:Georgia;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text p {

margin:0 0 1em 0;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-text tt {

font-size:120%;}



#yiv4459840185 #yiv4459840185ygrp-vital ul li:last-child
{

border-right:none !important;

}

#yiv4459840185

































#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445 --
#yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp #yiv7344436445ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mkp .yiv7344436445ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc #yiv7344436445hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7344436445ygrp-lc .yiv7344436445ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445activity span
.yiv7344436445underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 dd.yiv7344436445last p
span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445file-title a, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:active, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:hover, #yiv7344436445
div.yiv7344436445file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:active,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7344436445 div.yiv7344436445photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 div#yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7344436445yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7344436445 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7344436445 .yiv7344436445replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7344436445 input, #yiv7344436445 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7344436445
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7344436445logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-msg
p#yiv7344436445attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco
#yiv7344436445reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-sponsor #yiv7344436445ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7344436445 #yiv7344436445ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7344436445









#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662 -- #yiv3089985662ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mkp #yiv3089985662hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mkp #yiv3089985662ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mkp .yiv3089985662ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mkp .yiv3089985662ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mkp .yiv3089985662ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-sponsor #yiv3089985662ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-sponsor #yiv3089985662ygrp-lc #yiv3089985662hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-sponsor #yiv3089985662ygrp-lc .yiv3089985662ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662activity span .yiv3089985662underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3089985662 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3089985662 dd.yiv3089985662last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3089985662 dd.yiv3089985662last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3089985662 dd.yiv3089985662last p span.yiv3089985662yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662file-title a, #yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662file-title a:active, #yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662file-title a:hover, #yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662photo-title a, #yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662photo-title a:active, #yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662photo-title a:hover, #yiv3089985662 div.yiv3089985662photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3089985662 div#yiv3089985662ygrp-mlmsg #yiv3089985662ygrp-msg p a span.yiv3089985662yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv3089985662 o {font-size:0;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662photos div div {border:1px solid #666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662photos div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv3089985662 .yiv3089985662replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv3089985662 input, #yiv3089985662 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv3089985662 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-mlmsg #yiv3089985662logo {padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-msg p a {font-family:Verdana;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-msg p#yiv3089985662attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-reco #yiv3089985662reco-head {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-reco {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-sponsor #yiv3089985662ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-sponsor #yiv3089985662ov li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-sponsor #yiv3089985662ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em 0;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv3089985662 #yiv3089985662ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}#yiv3089985662