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[Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

Since your hull number is near mine and I did this job on the aft toilet a few months ago, I can tell you a couple things.

The part is available, and it comes with all of the parts, nuts, washers, bolts, etc. that you need to do the job.

The base bolts screw into a stainless steel plate which is epoxied under the fiberglass floor.

I believe that you might find at least one of the bolts difficult to remove. If I remember correctly, there are three bolts holding the base that you have to the floor. The easiest thing to do might be to use a dremmel to cut off the plastic tabs on the base that the bolts go through, then remove the toilet. Use plenty of penetrating oil and let it sit overnight. Using a socket wrench move the bolts forward and backward until they ease and can be unscrewed. Assemble the toilet and macerator pump on the new base before installing the toilet back on the floor...this will be the easiest way to install that macerator pump and align its O ring.

Mark "Cream Puff" had a problem and broke a bolt...had to drill and retap.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 6, 2016 5:31 PM, "kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The base of the toilet of my forward head is cracked.
I would like to replace it but it seems to be through bolted and
I do not see any access. Does anyone know how to access the bolts or are they
set in some material to hold them in place?
Fair Winds

Eric

SM 376 Kimberlite

 

 


eric freedman
 


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

I had the same problem (base cracked).
I was able to unscrew the nuts off the bolts (the bolt seems to me part of the fiberglass bottom and unfortunately I broke one)
The main problem is that I was not able to find a replacement base… The exact part number is now a different base which will not fit…
So I glue the old one together and apply it with 4200.
Hope someone get a better answer…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Fri, 5/6/16, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:31 PM


 









The base of the toilet of my forward head is
cracked.
I would like to replace it but it
seems to be through bolted and
I do not see
any access. Does anyone know how to access the bolts or are
they
set in some material to hold them in
place?
Fair Winds
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite

 
 










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yahoogroups@...
 

Eric has new model base which is available. Alex has old model base which is not available.

Bill
BeBe 386


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Sorry Bill,
I saw your post after I replied mine...
Alexandre



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On Mon, 5/9/16, yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 11:03 AM


 













Eric has new model base which is available. Alex has old
model base which is not available.



Bill

BeBe 386









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Mark Erdos
 

Eric,

 

Alexandre is correct. Jabsco changed the design of the part and did not change the part number. I searched high and low for an old style base and am convinced none are available.

 

I had the same issue with the cracking bases. I removed the old base and used fiberglass mat and resin to repair it. So far so good. Both bases cracked. The older repair is now going on two years (aft). The forward head was recently repaired.

 

To remove the base you will need to back out the four bolts holding it. There are no nuts on the underside. Under the fiberglass floor is a stainless steel plate and the bolts go into threaded holes into this plate.

 

Be careful not to force the bolts!!!! They will break (ask me how I know this). Use some lube and be VERY patient.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 9:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head

 

 

Good morning Eric,

I had the same problem (base cracked).
I was able to unscrew the nuts off the bolts (the bolt seems to me part of the fiberglass bottom and unfortunately I broke one)
The main problem is that I was not able to find a replacement base… The exact part number is now a different base which will not fit…
So I glue the old one together and apply it with 4200.
Hope someone get a better answer…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Fri, 5/6/16, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:31 PM


 









The base of the toilet of my forward head is
cracked.
I would like to replace it but it
seems to be through bolted and
I do not see
any access. Does anyone know how to access the bolts or are
they
set in some material to hold them in
place?
Fair Winds
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite

 
 










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Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Mark,

But as Bill said mine and your model are older and use a different base…
Nice repaid on your side!
How did you see/access the steel plate under the fiberglass?
I still would like to remove the broken bolt and put a new one!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 1:38 PM


 









Eric,
 Alexandre is correct. Jabsco changed
the design of the part and did not change the part number. I
searched high and low for an old style base and am convinced
none are available.
 I had the same issue with the
cracking bases. I removed the old base and used fiberglass
mat and resin to repair it. So far so good. Both bases
cracked. The older repair is now going on two years (aft).
The forward head was recently repaired.
 To remove the base you will need to
back out the four bolts holding it. There are no nuts on the
underside. Under the fiberglass floor is a stainless steel
plate and the bolts go into threaded holes into this plate.
 Be careful not to force the bolts!!!!
They will break (ask me how I know this). Use some lube and
be VERY patient.
 Hope this helps.
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park -
Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 9:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet
base forward head    Good morning Eric,

I had the same problem (base
cracked).
I was able to unscrew the nuts
off the bolts (the bolt seems to me part of the fiberglass
bottom and unfortunately I broke one)
The
main problem is that I was not able to find a replacement
base… The exact part number is now a different base which
will not fit…
So I glue the old one
together and apply it with 4200.
Hope
someone get a better answer…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 5/6/16, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:31 PM


 









The base of the toilet of my forward head is
cracked.
I would like to
replace it but it
seems to be through bolted
and
I do not see
any access.
Does anyone know how to access the bolts or are
they
set in some material to
hold them in
place?
Fair
Winds
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite


James Alton
 

Alexandre,
   Stainless bolts into stainless plate tend to gawl and seize unfortunately.  It's why most turnbuckles have bronze bodies and stainless studs.  In the event that you actually remove the plate consider replacing with silicon  bronze and you won't have fight to remove the bolts in the future.  The best source I know of is Atlas Metals for the bronze plate.  If you keep the stainless plate, never seize does help prevent problems.  Best of luck. James


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 05-09-2016 3:46 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head


 

Hello Mark,

But as Bill said mine and your model are older and use a different base…
Nice repaid on your side!
How did you see/access the steel plate under the fiberglass?
I still would like to remove the broken bolt and put a new one!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 1:38 PM


 









Eric,
 Alexandre is correct. Jabsco changed
the design of the part and did not change the part number. I
searched high and low for an old style base and am convinced
none are available.
 I had the same issue with the
cracking bases. I removed the old base and used fiberglass
mat and resin to repair it. So far so good. Both bases
cracked. The older repair is now going on two years (aft).
The forward head was recently repaired.
 To remove the base you will need to
back out the four bolts holding it. There are no nuts on the
underside. Under the fiberglass floor is a stainless steel
plate and the bolts go into threaded holes into this plate.
 Be careful not to force the bolts!!!!
They will break (ask me how I know this). Use some lube and
be VERY patient.
 Hope this helps.
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park -
Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 9:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet
base forward head    Good morning Eric,

I had the same problem (base
cracked).
I was able to unscrew the nuts
off the bolts (the bolt seems to me part of the fiberglass
bottom and unfortunately I broke one)
The
main problem is that I was not able to find a replacement
base… The exact part number is now a different base which
will not fit…
So I glue the old one
together and apply it with 4200.
Hope
someone get a better answer…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 5/6/16, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:31 PM


 









The base of the toilet of my forward head is
cracked.
I would like to
replace it but it
seems to be through bolted
and
I do not see
any access.
Does anyone know how to access the bolts or are
they
set in some material to
hold them in
place?
Fair
Winds
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite

 
 



rossirossix4
 

Well, for those of us who are not yet victims of CHS-"Cracked Head Syndrome"-it seems like a good idea do clean any deposits and corrosion on the bolts and spray with a penetrating oil, hoping it will work its way down.  I have noticed in the past that bolts sprayed with Corrosion-X will free up over time, so it may be a good choice as prevention and penetration.  Dedicated penetrating oil may be even better.  Anyway it sounds like a really good idea to do it now.

Bob, KAIMI SM429
President, International Society for the Prevention and Treatment of CHS


Mark Erdos
 

Alexandre,

 

When repairing the forward head, I broke a bolt. I successfully drilled a hole inside the bolt and tried using a reverse thread bolt extractor but it broke off inside the bolt. This left no other option than to use a different hole in the base of the toilet. I thought I would need to install some type of bolt anchor seems only the top side of this area is accessible. We are in the Bahamas so my access to parts is very limited. I planned to drill a hole and resin in a nut. I hit the steel plate under the fiberglass when drilling a pilot hole and realized then how Amel constructed this. I drilled a new hole for my new bolt and using a tap and die threaded the steel plate for the new nut.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 2:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head

 

 

Hello Mark,

But as Bill said mine and your model are older and use a different base…
Nice repaid on your side!
How did you see/access the steel plate under the fiberglass?
I still would like to remove the broken bolt and put a new one!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 1:38 PM


 









Eric,
 Alexandre is correct. Jabsco changed
the design of the part and did not change the part number. I
searched high and low for an old style base and am convinced
none are available.
 I had the same issue with the
cracking bases. I removed the old base and used fiberglass
mat and resin to repair it. So far so good. Both bases
cracked. The older repair is now going on two years (aft).
The forward head was recently repaired.
 To remove the base you will need to
back out the four bolts holding it. There are no nuts on the
underside. Under the fiberglass floor is a stainless steel
plate and the bolts go into threaded holes into this plate.
 Be careful not to force the bolts!!!!
They will break (ask me how I know this). Use some lube and
be VERY patient.
 Hope this helps.
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park -
Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 9:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet
base forward head    Good morning Eric,

I had the same problem (base
cracked).
I was able to unscrew the nuts
off the bolts (the bolt seems to me part of the fiberglass
bottom and unfortunately I broke one)
The
main problem is that I was not able to find a replacement
base… The exact part number is now a different base which
will not fit…
So I glue the old one
together and apply it with 4200.
Hope
someone get a better answer…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 5/6/16, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:31 PM


 









The base of the toilet of my forward head is
cracked.
I would like to
replace it but it
seems to be through bolted
and
I do not see
any access.
Does anyone know how to access the bolts or are
they
set in some material to
hold them in
place?
Fair
Winds
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite

 
 


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Mark,

The same happened to me when I tried to remove the bolt!
ok thanks for the explanation!

Where in the Bahamas are you? I spent 15 months over the last 2 years !!!

Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:46 PM


 









Alexandre,
 When repairing the forward head, I
broke a bolt. I successfully drilled a hole inside the bolt
and tried using a reverse thread bolt extractor but it broke
off inside the bolt. This left no other option than to use a
different hole in the base of the toilet. I thought I would
need to install some type of bolt anchor seems only the top
side of this area is accessible. We are in the Bahamas so my
access to parts is very limited. I planned to drill a hole
and resin in a nut. I hit the steel plate under the
fiberglass when drilling a pilot hole and realized then how
Amel constructed this. I drilled a new hole for my new bolt
and using a tap and die threaded the steel plate for the new
nut.  Hope this helps.
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay –
Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas
 
   From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 2:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet
base forward head    Hello Mark,

But as Bill said mine and your
model are older and use a different base…
Nice repaid on your side!
How
did you see/access the steel plate under the fiberglass?
I still would like to remove the broken bolt
and put a new one!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 1:38 PM


 









Eric,
 Alexandre is correct.
Jabsco changed
the design of the part and
did not change the part number. I
searched
high and low for an old style base and am convinced
none are available.
 I had
the same issue with the
cracking bases. I
removed the old base and used fiberglass
mat
and resin to repair it. So far so good. Both bases
cracked. The older repair is now going on two
years (aft).
The forward head was recently
repaired.
 To remove the base you will need
to
back out the four bolts holding it. There
are no nuts on the
underside. Under the
fiberglass floor is a stainless steel
plate
and the bolts go into threaded holes into this plate.
 Be careful not to force the bolts!!!!
They will break (ask me how I know this). Use
some lube and
be VERY patient.
 Hope this helps.
     With
best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and
Sea Park -
Bahamas
 From:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]

Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 9:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet
base forward head    Good morning Eric,

I had the same problem
(base
cracked).
I was able
to unscrew the nuts
off the bolts (the bolt
seems to me part of the fiberglass
bottom
and unfortunately I broke one)
The
main problem is that I was not able to find a
replacement
base… The exact part number is
now a different base which
will not fit…

So I glue the old one
together and apply it with 4200.
Hope
someone get a better
answer…

Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San
Juan, Puerto
Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 5/6/16, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners]
Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:31 PM


 









The base of the toilet of my forward head is
cracked.
I would like to
replace it but it
seems to be
through bolted
and
I do not
see
any access.
Does anyone
know how to access the bolts or are
they
set in some material to
hold
them in
place?
Fair
Winds
Eric SM 376
Kimberlite

 
 












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Thanks for the info James !!!
Sincerely Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, Lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:33 PM


 









Alexandre,   Stainless bolts
into stainless plate tend to gawl and seize unfortunately.
 It's why most turnbuckles have bronze bodies and
stainless studs.  In the event that you actually remove the
plate consider replacing with silicon  bronze and you
won't have fight to remove the bolts in the future.
 The best source I know of is Atlas Metals for the bronze
plate.  If you keep the stainless plate, never seize does
help prevent problems.  Best of luck. James

Sent from Samsung
Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 05-09-2016 3:46 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base
forward head



 






Hello Mark,



But as Bill said mine and your model are older and use a
different base…

Nice repaid on your side!

How did you see/access the steel plate under the
fiberglass?

I still would like to remove the broken bolt and put a new
one!!!



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 1:38 PM





 



















Eric,

 Alexandre is correct. Jabsco changed

the design of the part and did not change the part number.
I

searched high and low for an old style base and am
convinced

none are available.

 I had the same issue with the

cracking bases. I removed the old base and used
fiberglass

mat and resin to repair it. So far so good. Both bases

cracked. The older repair is now going on two years
(aft).

The forward head was recently repaired.

 To remove the base you will need to

back out the four bolts holding it. There are no nuts on
the

underside. Under the fiberglass floor is a stainless
steel

plate and the bolts go into threaded holes into this
plate.

 Be careful not to force the bolts!!!!

They will break (ask me how I know this). Use some lube
and

be VERY patient.

 Hope this helps.

     With best

regards,  Mark  Super Maramu

2000Hull

#275www.creampuff.usCurrently

cruising:  Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park -

Bahamas

 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]

Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 9:54 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet

base forward head    Good morning Eric,



I had the same problem (base

cracked).

I was able to unscrew the nuts

off the bolts (the bolt seems to me part of the
fiberglass

bottom and unfortunately I broke one)

The

main problem is that I was not able to find a
replacement

base… The exact part number is now a different base
which

will not fit…

So I glue the old one

together and apply it with 4200.

Hope

someone get a better answer…



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289

NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto

Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 5/6/16, kimberlite@optonline.net

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht

Owners] Toilet base forward head

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:31 PM





 



















The base of the toilet of my forward head is

cracked.

I would like to

replace it but it

seems to be through bolted

and

I do not see

any access.

Does anyone know how to access the bolts or are

they

set in some material to

hold them in

place?

Fair

Winds

Eric SM 376 Kimberlite



 

 




























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Alexandre,
   I can share your pain of broken off stainless bolts, best of luck. 
   It looks like I will be closing on my Amel next month.  Having spent 3 days with Michel Charpentier during the inspection I would like to echo the many other owners who had a great experience with Michel. I found Michel to be very knowlegeable about Amel but he was always cautious of trying to answer questions he was unsure about without doing some research.  In other words when I got an answer it was the correct one, not just a guess.  Perhaps of even more importance I found him to be a man of his word, more than fair and a pleasure to get to know.  
Best,
James


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 05-23-2016 3:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head


 

Thanks for the info James !!!
Sincerely Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/9/16, Lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:33 PM


 









Alexandre,   Stainless bolts
into stainless plate tend to gawl and seize unfortunately.
 It's why most turnbuckles have bronze bodies and
stainless studs.  In the event that you actually remove the
plate consider replacing with silicon  bronze and you
won't have fight to remove the bolts in the future.
 The best source I know of is Atlas Metals for the bronze
plate.  If you keep the stainless plate, never seize does
help prevent problems.  Best of luck. James

Sent from Samsung
Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 05-09-2016 3:46 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base
forward head



 






Hello Mark,



But as Bill said mine and your model are older and use a
different base…

Nice repaid on your side!

How did you see/access the steel plate under the
fiberglass?

I still would like to remove the broken bolt and put a new
one!!!



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 1:38 PM





 



















Eric,

 Alexandre is correct. Jabsco changed

the design of the part and did not change the part number.
I

searched high and low for an old style base and am
convinced

none are available.

 I had the same issue with the

cracking bases. I removed the old base and used
fiberglass

mat and resin to repair it. So far so good. Both bases

cracked. The older repair is now going on two years
(aft).

The forward head was recently repaired.

 To remove the base you will need to

back out the four bolts holding it. There are no nuts on
the

underside. Under the fiberglass floor is a stainless
steel

plate and the bolts go into threaded holes into this
plate.

 Be careful not to force the bolts!!!!

They will break (ask me how I know this). Use some lube
and

be VERY patient.

 Hope this helps.

     With best

regards,  Mark  Super Maramu

2000Hull

#275www.creampuff.usCurrently

cruising:  Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park -

Bahamas

 From: amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 9:54 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet

base forward head    Good morning Eric,



I had the same problem (base

cracked).

I was able to unscrew the nuts

off the bolts (the bolt seems to me part of the
fiberglass

bottom and unfortunately I broke one)

The

main problem is that I was not able to find a
replacement

base… The exact part number is now a different base
which

will not fit…

So I glue the old one

together and apply it with 4200.

Hope

someone get a better answer…



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289

NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto

Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 5/6/16, kimberlite@...

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht

Owners] Toilet base forward head

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:31 PM





 



















The base of the toilet of my forward head is

cracked.

I would like to

replace it but it

seems to be through bolted

and

I do not see

any access.

Does anyone know how to access the bolts or are

they

set in some material to

hold them in

place?

Fair

Winds

Eric SM 376 Kimberlite



 

 




























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karkauai
 

I took a little different approach to fixing the broken base for the forward head. It's the second time it has failed, in 6-8ft seas both times, with inexperienced crew.

Since the original base had 4 bolt holes (it failed too, after 13 years), and the new one only has 3 bolt holes (I had drilled a new inboard hole for the center hole in the new base, and just screwed a large screw into it...didn't last long) I opted to use a 3/8inch piece of pvc board, cut to fit the old base using the rubber mat that fit between the old base and the floor of the shower stall as a template.  I glued it to the base with 5200, and cut two new 1/16" rubber seals that would fit between the PVC board and the floor (I think this would allow a little give instead of bolting the base directly to the floor.)  I drilled the rubber seals and the PVC with holes to fit the holes in the floor, and bolted the base with it's glued-on PVC and the rubber mats to the floor.  I filled the hole in the floor that matched the inboard (center) hole of the base with epoxy putty and redrilled it for at large SS screw.

The whole thing feels more stable than it has ever been, but I don't know how long it will last.  If it survives more than a few months, I'll post some pics of the finished product in place.

Kent
SM243
Kristy





Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Congratulations James !
This is very good when Michel was unsure of the answer he did research.
Welcome to the family again!

Alexandre



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On Wed, 5/25/16, Lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 5:43 PM


 









Alexandre,   I can share your
pain of broken off stainless bolts, best of
luck.    It looks like I will be closing on my
Amel next month.  Having spent 3 days with Michel
Charpentier during the inspection I would like to echo the
many other owners who had a great experience with Michel. I
found Michel to be very knowlegeable about Amel but he was
always cautious of trying to answer questions he was unsure
about without doing some research.  In other words when I
got an answer it was the correct one, not just a guess.
 Perhaps of even more importance I found him to be a man of
his word, more than fair and a pleasure to get to know.
 Best,James

Sent from Samsung
Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 05-23-2016 3:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base
forward head



 






Thanks for the info James !!!

Sincerely Alexandre



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On Mon, 5/9/16, Lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@aol.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward head

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:33 PM





 



















Alexandre,   Stainless bolts

into stainless plate tend to gawl and seize
unfortunately.

 It's why most turnbuckles have bronze bodies and

stainless studs.  In the event that you actually remove
the

plate consider replacing with silicon  bronze and you

won't have fight to remove the bolts in the future.

 The best source I know of is Atlas Metals for the
bronze

plate.  If you keep the stainless plate, never seize
does

help prevent problems.  Best of luck. James



Sent from Samsung

Mobile





-------- Original message --------

From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar

uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"

<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 05-09-2016 3:46 PM (GMT-04:00)

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base

forward head







 













Hello Mark,







But as Bill said mine and your model are older and use a

different base…



Nice repaid on your side!



How did you see/access the steel plate under the

fiberglass?



I still would like to remove the broken bolt and put a
new

one!!!







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







--------------------------------------------



On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:







Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet base forward
head



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 1:38 PM











 







































Eric,



 Alexandre is correct. Jabsco changed



the design of the part and did not change the part
number.

I



searched high and low for an old style base and am

convinced



none are available.



 I had the same issue with the



cracking bases. I removed the old base and used

fiberglass



mat and resin to repair it. So far so good. Both bases



cracked. The older repair is now going on two years

(aft).



The forward head was recently repaired.



 To remove the base you will need to



back out the four bolts holding it. There are no nuts
on

the



underside. Under the fiberglass floor is a stainless

steel



plate and the bolts go into threaded holes into this

plate.



 Be careful not to force the bolts!!!!



They will break (ask me how I know this). Use some lube

and



be VERY patient.



 Hope this helps.



     With best



regards,  Mark  Super Maramu



2000Hull



#275www.creampuff.usCurrently



cruising:  Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park -



Bahamas



 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]



Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 9:54 AM



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toilet



base forward head    Good morning Eric,







I had the same problem (base



cracked).



I was able to unscrew the nuts



off the bolts (the bolt seems to me part of the

fiberglass



bottom and unfortunately I broke one)



The



main problem is that I was not able to find a

replacement



base… The exact part number is now a different base

which



will not fit…



So I glue the old one



together and apply it with 4200.



Hope



someone get a better answer…







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289



NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto



Rico







--------------------------------------------



On Fri, 5/6/16, kimberlite@optonline.net



[amelyachtowners]

<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:







Subject: [Amel Yacht



Owners] Toilet base forward head



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:31 PM











 







































The base of the toilet of my forward head is



cracked.



I would like to



replace it but it



seems to be through bolted



and



I do not see



any access.



Does anyone know how to access the bolts or are



they



set in some material to



hold them in



place?



Fair



Winds



Eric SM 376 Kimberlite







 



 

























































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