[Amel Yacht Owners] Refit
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Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
I dealt with Emek marine in Gocek , Turkey = Absolute Amateurs. No concept of Engineering or Quality Control… except for their solar gantry (with reservations)
Dont go there. Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM 007
Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007 Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15, |
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
All interested in Amel maintenance Turkey, I know the Amel Representative for Sales and Service in Turkey, Emek Marine in Gocek. I know Riza, the third generation manager of Emek. I have used Emek and have been completely satisfied. I also know more about the negative remarks made about Emek in this thread by an Amel owner. My comments about that situation are not appropriate here. However, if any Amel Owner would like to know what I know about this, please write me at bill"at"svbebe.com. Emek is a company that I have used and I recommend for Amel service. As I have said before whenever I recommend anyone, I never allow anyone to work on BeBe without me being present. That applies to Amel France, Amel Caribe, Emek, and all others. How can you be satisfied when you leave decisions you should make up to someone else? Best, Bill ROUSE BeBe, 387 Carriacou On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:33 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Thank you Bill,
I hoped you would not press the issue as I have high regard for your technical knowledge and advice regarding Amel boats. In fact, based on your good experience at Emek, I chose to take my boat there for an extensive refit costing well over €100K. The plan was for 3 months, MAX 4 month ashore. We left Gocek at the 1 year mark after failing to get needed repairs completed by Emek. Furthermore, we had so many failures enroute that we had to winter in Sicily and postpone our RTW by one year to complete repairs... for which I had paid Emek. I stand by my comments; Bill’s experience preceded mine. I can certify that Emek marine were neglectful, unknowledgeable, untrained, ill equipped and were unsafe in some tasks. The sad reality, in spite of Bill’s rise to their defence, is that they are now useless; go there at your own risk …. Regards, Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM 007
Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007 Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15, |
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
If anyone is interested in a factual full story about this, email me at bill"at"svbebe.com and I will give you the real details. I do not think it is appropriate to respond to JP Germaine in this Group thread, and it only concerns a small number of a group of people that JP is a part of and any other person who is interested. Bill Rouse On May 27, 2016 4:13 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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I have an experience similar as JP. I have also meet another Amel owner with similar experience. I,M happy to share my experience If anyone is interested then email me at sykerpa at gmail dot com
Paul S/Y Kerpa SM 259 |
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robin.hutter@...
Also my experience is very similar to the one of JP and I know of others with the same problems. I would gladly share it with anybody interested - contact me under info at gros-doux.com
I did not spend 100 k with EMEK, but they do have more than 50 k of my money in their pockets. Robin Amel SM #56 Taormina Italy ---In amelyachtowners@..., <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote : I have an experience similar as JP. I have also meet another Amel owner with similar experience. I,M happy to share my experience If anyone is interested then email me at sykerpa at gmail dot com Paul S/Y Kerpa SM 259 |
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robin.hutter@...
same experience as JP also - would gladly share it with anybody who is interested : info at gros-doux dot com
Robin Amel SM #56 Taormina Italy |
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I fear I have had a similar experience too.
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Peter Forbes 0044 7836 209730 Carango Sailing Ketch Amel 54 #035 Travelling West in the Pacific Ocean
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maciej@...
Never, ever use Emek for ANY work or even to broker any sale or purchase. Here is my sad story. In November 2016 I purchased an Amel SM 53 brokered by Emek. At the same time Emek sold my previous vessel. While still at Gocek and then shortly thereafter, together we compiled a list of a basic refit works. The estimate was for about $46K. At this point all started unraveling. First of all Mr. Cakir refused to get me my proceeds for the sale of my old boat under the pretenses of the 'down payment' for this refit. So for $46K of estimated work he defrauded me of $56. When I tried to negotiate a reasonable down payment, proposing on my side 20% of his estimate and giving him a chance to come with some counteroffer he simply did not even tried to negotiate anything in good faith. Being extremely frustrated by this situation and not getting any report on the progress of works, I contracted a captain to get my vessel out of hand of Emek and get it delivered to a place of my choosing. Mr. Cakir decided to keep both my vessel and my money hostage by flatly refusing to release her to anybody but me personally. Both the way Mr. Cakir handled my money and my vessel is such an unprincipled behavior unbecoming of a boat broker's and any honest person for that matter. When I eventually arrived at Gocek in June 2017 I founded out that of the estimate list only part of work was done however the invoice grew from $46 to $53K!! It included $6,200 for keeping my vessel in a boatyard for several weeks just for anitfouling. Just please do not question my intelligence while you read the rest of this horror story. At this point instead of taking my boat and getting as far as possible from Emek and Mr. Cakir I let myself get convinced, and yes, he can be convincing and quite charming, to get even more work performed by Emek on my boat. We agreed on the cost of $87K and the deadline of August 10, 2017. While the boat was hauled out again on July 17, my wife and I were supposed to spend about 3 weeks at the local hotel after which time the vessel would be launched and ready for sea trials to straighten up all kinks with completion day of August 10. So now we're October 24, 2017 - we had to stay at the hotel 3 months so far instead of promised 3 weeks, at the cost close to 6,000 euros. Out of the estimated $87K of repair cost so far I've provided Emek with $57K yet still after those 3 months and substantial down payment Mr. Cakir did not purchased essential supplies needed for this refit and as the result most of the work are still not completed. Furthermore just today Mr. Cakir tried to extort more money from me by implying that work will not be completed if I don’t cough up more funds. Talking about impudence! No effort to patch up this debacle that he’s completely responsible for. So here I am, after spending close to $300,000, including the purchase, spending the whole summer at a hotel, my boat is stuck at a local boatyard, not sea worthy by far, kept hostage by Mr. Cakir. Just today I hired a local lawyer and we’re staring a process of recovering my boat and money from Emek and Mr. Cakir. This company and its owner are simply dishonest fraudsters with a thorough lack of honor end decency. |
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antomajori@...
A similar thing happened to me wirth Emek.
I do not understand how to continue to represent EMEL: I bought from them an SM trusting that they were Amel .... |
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maciej@...
Everybody's invited! Emek Marin sucks! FB group.
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maciej@...
You're invited to 'Emek Marin sucks!' FB group.
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