[Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster shaft removal


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian,

Your problem was caused by a small amount of  saltwater water passing the foam and lip seals.

When was the last time it was serviced? It should be serviced every two years.
Do you use the locking pin? If not, even new seals may leak a little in rough seas.

What commonly happens is that the above mentioned small amount of saltwater causes oxidation (rust) on the cast iron base of the electric motor. This causes the clearance for the tube to become smaller and the tube becomes bound inside the cast iron base of the motor.

I would not recommend heat because you may damage the tube. I would not recommend pulling the bow thruster out as you described because I think that you will break the foot.

The best solution is to spray copious amounts of penetrating fluid through the bolt holes and into the space between the tube and base of the motor from the bottom. Using the clamp-on special tool apply as much downward force on the tube as you can, then find something to vibrate that cast iron base... possibly an impact tool. Don't hit it with a hammer, because it is cast iron and it will break. You will also need lots a patience because it may take hours of vibration and downward force. Possibly a rubber mallet could work as well to provide enough shock while the tool is applying downward force.

There is another method which works, but usually only with a light amount of rust. That is to disconnect the cable at the top of the motor and from under the boat push the thruster up and pull it down quickly. The shock of hitting the bottom may break the tube loose from the motor. If this doesn't work in 6-8 tries, it probably won't work at all.

Of course everything I suggested could be overdone causing something else to break.

You did not say where you are. If you were near me, or possibly another owner, you could possibly have a volunteer to help you.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Currently Trinidad, Crews Inn Marina
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On Jun 30, 2016 5:03 PM, "francesringley@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

HELP! 

I am trying to service the Bow Thruster and following the procedures given in the files section and various threads.

I have removed the band clamp, the four hex bolts and washers. But the shaft did not descend.

I used the Amel special tool and it moved about 3/4". But the tool kept slipping and the shaft would move no further. So as we torqued the nut, the bolt broke.

Next we tried torching the collar as much as we dared. No movement.

We have tried reefing down on the fairing with each of the above strategies. But we can only go so far without damaging it. 

Our latest effort has been to back up a pickup truck with a trailer hitch to just below the thrus ter, then connect a come along to the rectangular trunk piece and the hitch. Then we reefed on  the come along.  Truck went up. No shaft came down.

Now I am completely stumped. Any ideas from the group? What am I missing? 


Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153



francesringley@...
 

Thanks Bill, we are in St.Augustine Florida. I have no idea when the last servicing was done.We only bought the boat two years ago and there are no records. Yes, the locking pin was in. The special tool is broken and i will have to order a new one or repair this one. We have doused the bolt holes and the underside of the collar with penetrating oil. Will attempt your suggestions tomorrow morning. Thank you once again 

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM 153


James Alton
 

Bill and Ian,

   I don’t know if this will help or not but one way to provide a gentle and controllable amount of vibration to loosen rust and work penetrant in would be to use an orbital sander or some similar tool.  Perhaps find a way to strap/tape the sander (with just a rubber pad on the sander)  to the assembly and leave it run for a period of time, stopping to squirt in more penetrant from time to time as Bill has suggested.  This problem certainly illustrates the importance of regular service to the bow thruster.

Best of luck,

James

On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:47 PM, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill, we are in St.Augustine Florida. I have no idea when the last servicing was done.We only bought the boat two years ago and there are no records. Yes, the locking pin was in. The special tool is broken and i will have to order a new one or repair this one. We have doused the bolt holes and the underside of the collar with penetrating oil. Will attempt your suggestions tomorrow morning. Thank you once again 


Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM 153



Stephen Davis
 

Hi Ian,

Sorry you are having all the problems with the bow thruster. I helped a good friend overhaul his bow thruster last winter in St Martin. In his case, it had not been serviced for who knows how long, and the spline was badly rusted. After trying to remove it from the boat all morning with no luck, I put a couple of ring clamps on the tube, a block of wood against the clamps, and banged on it with a heavy hammer. The sharp blows with the hammer worked where steady pressure had not. Of course we had put lots of PB Blaster on it during the morning. It sounds like yours might be worse than this experience, but you might try the hammer.

As a by-product of all the rust, we found the bearing at the bottom of the motor was rusted in place, and completely seized. We removed the motor from the boat, and a machine shop was able to get it out, and put a new bearing in. Once you finally get it out, and grease the spline really well, you will find that it will drop right out next time. Normally, servicing the bow thruster only takes a few hours, and I do it every 2 years when I haul.

I'm in Palm Coast about 15 miles from you until tomorrow afternoon, and if I can be of any help, let me know.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada for the Summer

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:47 PM, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Bill, we are in St.Augustine Florida. I have no idea when the last servicing was done.We only bought the boat two years ago and there are no records. Yes, the locking pin was in. The special tool is broken and i will have to order a new one or repair this one. We have doused the bolt holes and the underside of the collar with penetrating oil. Will attempt your suggestions tomorrow morning. Thank you once again 


Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM 153