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[Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.
Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Bill

 

I can now answer my own question – the solenoid is Albright SW202N-14 (24 volt version) – I have found a supplier in the UK (http://www.forktruckspares.com/ ) – they are building one for me today from Albright parts according to the original specification and are sending it to me in France by 3 day delivery for £220.

 

I tested the batteries myself last year and again recently using a battery tester that you recommended and they were ok last year and again recently (although the values were down on last year) but as they are 5 years old then it seems prudent to change them anyway. So I am replacing them with 13 Victron AGM batteries.

 

The engineer who fixed the motor charged 920 euros – which seems extremely reasonable to me – particularly after what you just posted. I found him originally as I decided to buy Victron solar panels as they had very similar specification to the panels that you and many have used on the solar arch and we have other Victron equipment which we have been very impressed with. He was the closest Victron dealer according to their site. When I went to collect the panels from him (which he supplied at a very good price) I noticed that he had a few people rewinding motors and I soon realized that he and his son were real engineering geeks and took a great deal of pride in their work. When I took him the motor a few weeks ago I think he saw repairing it as a challenge - particularly after the “Brico” that I had performed on the motor last year in Menorca. Needless to say he told me sternly that if it breaks again that I am not to touch but rather to bring it back to him!

 

His business details are : SARL EFE – www.efe66.com - email : e.f.e.transfo AT wanadoo.fr

 

One other thing he has offered : we have a Victron Quattro 100 Amp charger / inverter and a Victron mppt solar panel regulator both connected to the Victron color Control – this is connected via our boat network via 4G to the Victron site this allows me to monitor remotely the state of batteries, etc. With this system I was able to grant him access to the control system and he has offered to reconfigure from his workshop the Quattro and Mppt for the agm batteries when I have installed them – very helpful indeed.

 

Andrew

Ronpische SM472

Canet en Roussillon

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, 1 July 2016 at 12:42
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

 

 

Andrew,

 

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

 

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

 

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

 

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

 

Thanks,

 

Bill BeBe 387

Trinidad

 

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.

 
Kent Robertson
 

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.
Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi Kent

It is bolted on the inside of the wall of the bow thruster compartment on the upper port side of the frame that supports the bow thruster assembly.

Andrew
SM 472


On 1 Jul 2016, at 13:46, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Andrew & Kent,

I think mine is in a different place with access under the port berth, but I cannot get there right now...granddaughter, BeBe, is asleep on that berth. Will report back when the princess wakes!

Bill 
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Kent

It is bolted on the inside of the wall of the bow thruster compartment on the upper port side of the frame that supports the bow thruster assembly.

Andrew
SM 472


On 1 Jul 2016, at 13:46, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.
Kent Robertson
 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.
Kent
Curaçao
Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi

I wonder if someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and down - I think in this position they may interfere with the lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think they should be coming out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward corner?

Thanks

Andrew

Sm472

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...

 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.
Kent
Curaçao

Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>
 

Can you find your answer looking at the pictures on:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc.
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM


 












Hi



I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?



Thanks



Andrew



Sm472


Begin forwarded message:





From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...






 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao

















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Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Thanks Alexandre

No hurry I cannot do anything for a few days because of my own work commitments. I need someone to put their hand behind the motor and see if the wires come out the port or starboard side of the motor towards the front of the boat

Andrew
SM 472


On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:02, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Can you find your answer looking at the pictures on:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc.
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM


 












Hi



I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?



Thanks



Andrew



Sm472


Begin forwarded message:





From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...






 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao

















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I have a much older model than you, but my wires come out the port side of the motor.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ


On Jul 1, 2016, at 13:12, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks Alexandre

No hurry I cannot do anything for a few days because of my own work commitments. I need someone to put their hand behind the motor and see if the wires come out the port or starboard side of the motor towards the front of the boat

Andrew
SM 472


On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:02, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Can you find your answer looking at the pictures on:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc. 
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM


 












Hi



I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?



Thanks



Andrew



Sm472


Begin forwarded message:





From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...






 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao 

















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Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Thanks Bill

To be fair on the engineer I had removed the lower and upper plates before I gave it to him - but it looks increasingly like the wires need to be moved through 90 degrees.

Andrew


On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have a much older model than you, but my wires come out the port side of the motor.


Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ


On Jul 1, 2016, at 13:12, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks Alexandre

No hurry I cannot do anything for a few days because of my own work commitments. I need someone to put their hand behind the motor and see if the wires come out the port or starboard side of the motor towards the front of the boat

Andrew
SM 472


On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:02, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Can you find your answer looking at the pictures on:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc. 
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM


 












Hi



I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?



Thanks



Andrew



Sm472


Begin forwarded message:





From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...






 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao 

















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Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

So I found a photo I took last year that showed the bow thruster motor cables in relation to the specification plate fixed to the motor casing and returned to the boat tonight and verified the repaired motor cables are in the same place so it appears that the cables in our bow thruster motor come out at the front starboard side. Looking at others photos, although the principles are the same the whole bow thruster assembly has changed quite a bit in the later SMs. Just waiting for the replacement solenoids and batteries now. Thanks for help / comments.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, 1 July 2016 at 19:42
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

 

 

Thanks Bill

 

To be fair on the engineer I had removed the lower and upper plates before I gave it to him - but it looks increasingly like the wires need to be moved through 90 degrees.

 

Andrew


On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have a much older model than you, but my wires come out the port side of the motor.

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Highlands, NJ

 

 

On Jul 1, 2016, at 13:12, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Alexandre

 

No hurry I cannot do anything for a few days because of my own work commitments. I need someone to put their hand behind the motor and see if the wires come out the port or starboard side of the motor towards the front of the boat

 

Andrew

SM 472


On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:02, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Can you find your answer looking at the pictures on:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc. 
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre

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On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM


 












Hi



I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?



Thanks



Andrew



Sm472


Begin forwarded message:





From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...






 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao 

















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