[Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
Alexandre Uster von Baar
For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by the installation of new equipment, I illustrated the “installation of the Galvanic Isolator”.
This also helped me to understand better some of the electrical system (up to a point). This might look a little different than your own installation as I have the optional 110 to 220 volt transformer in the engine room. Would love to hear back from Olivier and other to make sure it is correct! Here is the link: http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 4 sections. If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version (49 pictures). Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico |
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Alexandre,
Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! Derick Gates SM2K#400 Currently on the hard in Antigua for hurricane season |
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Alexandre Uster von Baar
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Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! 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Alexandre,
My boat was the U.S. Demonstration boat, originally owned by Joel Potter. Like yours, it was fitted out with the 110V to 230V transformer. The plug on the end of the 110V shore cable is like the one you have illustrated. Originally I used this cable in Saint Thomas, being a U.S. territory. Then I set up a short linker cable that could be attached to the European 3-prong plug on the 230V cable supplied by Amel, and convert it to a standard U.S. 220V plug. That 230V cable is now my standard to connect to shore power, with the adaptor linker (in the U.S. And the BVI and Antigua and Saint Lucia) or without the adaptor linker in Guadeloupe and Martinique. Previous owners have gotten me well supplied with additional short linker cables to allow connection to other types of plugs. If you have not used your transformer yet, be aware that although it will create 230Volts from 110Volts, it DOES NOT CHANGE THE FREQUENCY. That is to say, if the 110 Volt shore power is 60 Hz, which would be standard, you cannot run the dishwasher, clothes washer, or Dessalator because they require 50Hz. Also note that while you can add an adaptor plug that will feed you 50 or more amps, the Amel wiring was set up to take a maximum of 32 amps. I know you have recently installed a meter to measure the amps and watts being consumed via shore power, so you should have no trouble monitoring this. Even so, be sure not to leave your "extra" cable tightly coiled because it will generate a lot of heat at 16 to 30 amps, enough to melt the insulation - ask me how I know this... Derick Gates SM2K#400 Currently on the hard in Antigua for hurricane season |
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Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good afternoon Derick,
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Thanks for your reply! Ok, glad to know the plug fitted on your is the 30 A 125 Volt, I am likely to do the same. I did the same, I attached an extension from the European 3-Prong plug to the 125/250 Volt 50 Amp shore power plug. So far this is only what I have been using, but in Dominican Republic I was closed to have to use a 110 Volt shore power and was not ready for it. Thanks for reminding me, but I am very aware the frequency will remain the same (plus my newly installed Blue Sea AC multimeter will confirm the frequency). I am also aware that I will loose half the Amp and that when I connect to a 30 Amp 110 Volt shore power, I will get 15 Amp at 220 Volt, another great use of the Blue Sea AC multimeter !!! I was aware about the 32 amp limit, BUT I don’t understand the: “be sure not to leave your "extra" cable tightly coiled because it will generate a lot of heat at 16 to 30 amps, enough to melt the insulation”. Could you please tell me more? On or off forum? I don’t want to make mistake… Also, very curious about your “other” short linker cables… which one are they. I will post tomorrow some pictures of the plugs I have, some I have no clue… Thanks again for your reply Derick !!! Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 3:03 PM Alexandre, My boat was the U.S. Demonstration boat, originally owned by Joel Potter. Like yours, it was fitted out with the 110V to 230V transformer. The plug on the end of the 110V shore cable is like the one you have illustrated. Originally I used this cable in Saint Thomas, being a U.S. territory. Then I set up a short linker cable that could be attached to the European 3-prong plug on the 230V cable supplied by Amel, and convert it to a standard U.S. 220V plug. That 230V cable is now my standard to connect to shore power, with the adaptor linker (in the U.S. And the BVI and Antigua and Saint Lucia) or without the adaptor linker in Guadeloupe and Martinique. Previous owners have gotten me well supplied with additional short linker cables to allow connection to other types of plugs. If you have not used your transformer yet, be aware that although it will create 230Volts from 110Volts, it DOES NOT CHANGE THE FREQUENCY. That is to say, if the 110 Volt shore power is 60 Hz, which would be standard, you cannot run the dishwasher, clothes washer, or Dessalator because they require 50Hz. Also note that while you can add an adaptor plug that will feed you 50 or more amps, the Amel wiring was set up to take a maximum of 32 amps. I know you have recently installed a meter to measure the amps and watts being consumed via shore power, so you should have no trouble monitoring this. Even so, be sure not to leave your "extra" cable tightly coiled because it will generate a lot of heat at 16 to 30 amps, enough to melt the insulation - ask me how I know this... Derick GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in Antigua for hurricane season #yiv5062811537 #yiv5062811537 -- #yiv5062811537ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv5062811537 #yiv5062811537ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv5062811537 #yiv5062811537ygrp-mkp #yiv5062811537hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv5062811537 #yiv5062811537ygrp-mkp #yiv5062811537ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv5062811537 #yiv5062811537ygrp-mkp .yiv5062811537ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv5062811537 #yiv5062811537ygrp-mkp .yiv5062811537ad p { margin:0;} #yiv5062811537 #yiv5062811537ygrp-mkp .yiv5062811537ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv5062811537 #yiv5062811537ygrp-sponsor #yiv5062811537ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv5062811537 #yiv5062811537ygrp-sponsor #yiv5062811537ygrp-lc #yiv5062811537hd { margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #yiv5062811537 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Hi Alex, Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator. The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai". From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units. From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helps Kent SM243 Kristy On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, |
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Our vessel are similar. And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator. Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead). If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset. As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected. Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power. By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be. And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator. Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator.The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units.From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helpsKentSM243Kristy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! 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With regard to the 32A limitation on Super Maramu, and having had the original Amel black wire catch of fire quite spectacularly in 2013 (fortunately at a point about 2 metres away from the hull) here's how we tried to tackle the problem to prevent future incidents:
1. A 30A breaker was installed inside the lazarette at the point where shore power comes in (just aft and above the propane locker) 2. The replacement cable for the burnt-up Amel black cable is the 50A standard US-yellow. The higher capacity should help ensure a bit more survivability as the years go by. 3. The replacement cable ends in a standard yellow US 30A/125V connector, 30A overall being the ceiling for the boat and 125V being actually acceptable for the Mastervolt battery chargers. 4. In order to connect to a US-style standard 50A/220V marine outlet, we are forced to use an adapter we built: a weatherproof box with a 30A breaker inside. On the shore-side, there is a pigtail with a male plug for the 50A outlet. On the side going to the boat's power cable, there is pigtail with a connector for the boat's 30A/125V plug. In Europe, we have two adaptors: A. A 25-ft extension connects our yellow 30A plug to the Euro blue 16A connector B. A pigtail connects our yellow 30A plug to the Euro blue 32A connector Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K Nr. 350 At anchor, Rada di Mezzo Schiffo (Nelson's Bay), Sardinia |
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Did you determine the cause of the failure? Was too much load on the wire? Was it old? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 7:52 AM With regard to the 32A limitation on Super Maramu, and having had the original Amel black wire catch of fire quite spectacularly in 2013 (fortunately at a point about 2 metres away from the hull) here's how we tried to tackle the problem to prevent future incidents: 1. A 30A breaker was installed inside the lazarette at the point where shore power comes in (just aft and above the propane locker) 2. The replacement cable for the burnt-up Amel black cable is the 50A standard US-yellow. The higher capacity should help ensure a bit more survivability as the years go by. 3. The replacement cable ends in a standard yellow US 30A/125V connector, 30A overall being the ceiling for the boat and 125V being actually acceptable for the Mastervolt battery chargers. 4. In order to connect to a US-style standard 50A/220V marine outlet, we are forced to use an adapter we built: a weatherproof box with a 30A breaker inside. On the shore-side, there is a pigtail with a male plug for the 50A outlet. On the side going to the boat's power cable, there is pigtail with a connector for the boat's 30A/125V plug. In Europe, we have two adaptors: A. A 25-ft extension connects our yellow 30A plug to the Euro blue 16A connectorB. A pigtail connects our yellow 30A plug to the Euro blue 32A connector Cheerio, PeregrinusSM2K Nr. 350At anchor, Rada di Mezzo Schiffo (Nelson's Bay), Sardinia |
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Hello Alexandre,
According to the electrician, the cable failed due to old age in the marine environment. I had previously noticed the cable got warm when under load. On this particularly hot day when the cable failed, we had arrived back into dock about 30 minutes before, after being out at anchor for two days or so, and so the boat was charging batteries, plus we had three air conditioners on. We had all hatches closed, including the companionway. Our neighbour was cleaning his boat when he saw our cable in flames. He shouted "fire," "fire," and ran for an extinguisher. We heard his cries and rushed into the cockpit. I saw the end of the episode: Then just as I was thinking of running to the dock breaker, the fire fizzled on its own just as the neighbour arrived with a large fire extinguisher in his hand. By this time, all power to the boat was already off. I wanted the electrician to replace all the power cable including to the 230V box in the engine room, and he looked into it, but reported to me that it looked very difficult or impossible. He said that besides, the section of the cable enclosed inside the boat, being immobile, dry and shaded, wasn't likely to fail. In any event, hull No. 350 had an unused pigtail right next to the failed cable, by the propane locker: apparently, a whole second cable, perhaps to be used in 110V installations? As this unused cable was found to have continuity/end at the 230V box anyway, the new cable connects into the formerly unused cable, and the end of the originally used cable was left in a pigtail in its stead. Cheers, Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 At anchor, Sardinia |
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Hi again Alex.I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator. Maybe someone can expound on that theory. If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????Kent
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation Good morning Kent, Our vessel are similar. And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator. Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead). If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset. As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected. Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power. By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be. And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator. Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator.The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units.From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helpsKentSM243Kristy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! 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What a terrible story… I would have been petrified… Just as I was reading your previous post, I wanted to say I would have preferred changing the cable until the 230 volt box in the engine room, but definitely a difficult job, on the other hand it is correct the section is protected. If you have the 2nd (little thicker) cable like this one http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_3.jpg then this is the 110 Volt cable Meaning you also have that box http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_19.jpg And the big transformer: http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_27.jpg Thanks for sharing your scary story… Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 9:16 AM Hello Alexandre, According to the electrician, the cable failed due to old age in the marine environment. I had previously noticed the cable got warm when under load. On this particularly hot day when the cable failed, we had arrived back into dock about 30 minutes before, after being out at anchor for two days or so, and so the boat was charging batteries, plus we had three air conditioners on. We had all hatches closed, including the companionway. Our neighbour was cleaning his boat when he saw our cable in flames. He shouted "fire," "fire," and ran for an extinguisher. We heard his cries and rushed into the cockpit. I saw the end of the episode: The cable was flat on a dock surface, and it was spewing out fire and sparks perpendicularly to its length with a flame length of 3 feet (1 metre) or more. Then just as I was thinking of running to the dock breaker, the fire fizzled on its own just as the neighbour arrived with a large fire extinguisher in his hand. By this time, all power to the boat was already off. I wanted the electrician to replace all the power cable including to the 230V box in the engine room, and he looked into it, but reported to me that it looked very difficult or impossible. He said that besides, the section of the cable enclosed inside the boat, being immobile, dry and shaded, wasn't likely to fail. In any event, hull No. 350 had an unused pigtail right next to the failed cable, by the propane locker: apparently, a whole second cable, perhaps to be used in 110V installations? As this unused cable was found to have continuity/end at the 230V box anyway, the new cable connects into the formerly unused cable, and the end of the originally used cable was left in a pigtail in its stead. Cheers, PeregrinusSM2K N. 350At anchor, Sardinia #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527 -- #yiv7271515527ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527ygrp-mkp #yiv7271515527hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527ygrp-mkp #yiv7271515527ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527ygrp-mkp .yiv7271515527ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527ygrp-mkp .yiv7271515527ad p { margin:0;} #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527ygrp-mkp .yiv7271515527ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527ygrp-sponsor #yiv7271515527ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527ygrp-sponsor #yiv7271515527ygrp-lc #yiv7271515527hd { margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #yiv7271515527 #yiv7271515527ygrp-sponsor #yiv7271515527ygrp-lc 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Hum, ok. Well, would love to hear back from Olivier or Joel on that… Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 9:22 AM Hi again Alex.I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator. Maybe someone can expound on that theory. If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????Kent From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation Good morning Kent, Our vessel are similar. And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator. Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead). If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset. As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected. Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power. By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be. And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator. Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator.The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units.From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helpsKentSM243Kristy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! Derick GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in Antigua for hurricane season #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908 -- #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp #yiv9102466908hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp #yiv9102466908ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp .yiv9102466908ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp .yiv9102466908ad p { margin:0;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp .yiv9102466908ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-sponsor #yiv9102466908ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-sponsor #yiv9102466908ygrp-lc #yiv9102466908hd { margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #yiv9102466908 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My understanding is that if an 'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as there is no potentional earth return circuit between the boat and shore power. http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html it is the best option for preventing galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive and heaviest. Regards Mike & Peta SM 2K 461Solitude On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi again Alex.I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator. Maybe someone can expound on that theory. If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????Kent From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation Good morning Kent, Our vessel are similar. And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator. Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead). If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset. As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected. Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power. By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be. And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator. Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator.The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units.From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helpsKentSM243Kristy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! 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Do you know if the 110-220 Volt transformer is for sure an 'isolation transformer? Sincerely Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, BT mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 10:49 AM Hi, My understanding is that if an 'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as there is no potentional earth return circuit between the boat and shore power. http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html it is the best option for preventing galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive and heaviest. Regards Mike & Peta SM 2K 461Solitude On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hi again Alex.I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator. Maybe someone can expound on that theory. If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????Kent From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation Good morning Kent, Our vessel are similar. And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator. Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead). If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset. As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected. Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power. By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be. And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator. Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator.The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units.From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helpsKentSM243Kristy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! Derick GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in Antigua for hurricane season #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908 -- #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp #yiv9102466908hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp #yiv9102466908ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp .yiv9102466908ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp .yiv9102466908ad p { margin:0;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-mkp .yiv9102466908ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-sponsor #yiv9102466908ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv9102466908 #yiv9102466908ygrp-sponsor #yiv9102466908ygrp-lc #yiv9102466908hd { margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #yiv9102466908 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Mike Johnson
Hi Alexandre,
From the website it would appear to be an isolation transformer. When I purchased my galvanic isolator the support team were very helpful with technical information. Suggest you email them with specific questions about the isolation transformer. Mike _____________________________ From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: <amelyachtowners@...> Thanks for the reply Mike, Do you know if the 110-220 Volt transformer is for sure an 'isolation transformer? Sincerely Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, BT mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 10:49 AM Hi, My understanding is that if an 'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as there is no potentional earth return circuit between the boat and shore power. http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html it is the best option for preventing galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive and heaviest. Regards Mike & Peta SM 2K 461Solitude On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hi again Alex.I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator. Maybe someone can expound on that theory. If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????Kent From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation Good morning Kent, Our vessel are similar. And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator. Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead). If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset. As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected. Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power. By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be. And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator. Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator.The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units.From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helpsKentSM243Kristy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! 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Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
I can not speak for the newer boats, but on my boat the installed transformer is most certainly NOT an isolation transformer.
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The safety ground is continuous through the unit, which it would not be on an isolation transformer. Bill Kinney SM #160, Harmonie Narragansett Bay, RI “Ships and men rot in port." http://fetchinketch.net <http://fetchinketch.net/> On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:49, BT mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: |
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Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Mike,
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This is a great news! Bill (SM#160, Harmonie) is trying to obtain information on the originally installed Scheiber transformer. Out of curiosity: which make/model of Galvanic Isolator did you purchase? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, MICHAEL JOHNSON mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 7:35 PM Hi Alexandre, From the website it would appear to be an isolation transformer. When I purchased my galvanic isolator the support team were very helpful with technical information. Suggest you email them with specific questions about the isolation transformer. Mike _____________________________ From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: <amelyachtowners@...> Thanks for the reply Mike, Do you know if the 110-220 Volt transformer is for sure an 'isolation transformer? Sincerely Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, BT mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 10:49 AM Hi, My understanding is that if an 'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as there is no potentional earth return circuit between the boat and shore power. http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html it is the best option for preventing galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive and heaviest. Regards Mike & Peta SM 2K 461Solitude Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hi again Alex.I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator. Maybe someone can expound on that theory. If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????Kent From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation Good morning Kent, Our vessel are similar. And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator. Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead). If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset. As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected. Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power. By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be. And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator. Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator.The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units.From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helpsKentSM243Kristy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! 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Sincerely , Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 8:46 PM I can not speak for the newer boats, but on my boat the installed transformer is most certainly NOT an isolation transformer. The safety ground is continuous through the unit, which it would not be on an isolation transformer. Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieNarragansett Bay, RI“Ships and men rot in port."http://fetchinketch.net On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:49, BT mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hi, My understanding is that if an 'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as there is no potentional earth return circuit between the boat and shore power. http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html it is the best option for preventing galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive and heaviest. Regards Mike & Peta SM 2K 461Solitude Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hi again Alex.I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator. Maybe someone can expound on that theory. If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????Kent From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation Good morning Kent, Our vessel are similar. And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator. Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead). If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset. As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected. Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power. By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be. And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator. Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator.The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units.From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helpsKentSM243Kristy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! 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Mike Johnson
Hi Alexandre,
We purchased the following Galvanic Isolator: http://www.bcet.co.uk/galvanic-isolator-products.html The advantage of the gauge is that the isolator can be tested and any stray voltages monitored visually. This one has also been fitted by other owners on the forum who may also be able to verify its performance. Very best wishes Mike & Peta SM 2K 461Solitude _____________________________ From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:38 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: <amelyachtowners@...> Good morning Mike, This is a great news! Bill (SM#160, Harmonie) is trying to obtain information on the originally installed Scheiber transformer. Out of curiosity: which make/model of Galvanic Isolator did you purchase? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, MICHAEL JOHNSON mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 7:35 PM Hi Alexandre, From the website it would appear to be an isolation transformer. When I purchased my galvanic isolator the support team were very helpful with technical information. Suggest you email them with specific questions about the isolation transformer. Mike _____________________________ From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: <amelyachtowners@...> Thanks for the reply Mike, Do you know if the 110-220 Volt transformer is for sure an 'isolation transformer? Sincerely Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/17/16, BT mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 10:49 AM Hi, My understanding is that if an 'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as there is no potentional earth return circuit between the boat and shore power. http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html it is the best option for preventing galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive and heaviest. Regards Mike & Peta SM 2K 461Solitude Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hi again Alex.I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator. Maybe someone can expound on that theory. If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????Kent From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation Good morning Kent, Our vessel are similar. And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator. Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead). If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset. As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected. Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power. By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be. And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator. Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly close to my #243. I'm not on the boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left something out or am still clueless about something, please chime in. If Nikimat is like Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker, it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf above the generator.The converted 220AC power output (which will be the same frequency as the input, 60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry, it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked 2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle, it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator power over shore power. This is above the generator. I don't remember how it is marked. There is another box near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which cools all three A/C units.From that automatic switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the galley. If you have a 220 inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles and microwave breakers. I think others have a little different set up with the inverter. In a post a year or so ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and 110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead in the engine room to the automatic switch above the generator. My understanding is that the 110->220 transformer is an "isolation transformer", and having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator is not a problem. The only other item that is between shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room bulkhead. Hop that helpsKentSM243Kristy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good afternoon Derick, Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the details!!! You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is connected. Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence! I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned! The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric “domino”. My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open the box and look at what color cable I have and see where they go. Do you have both shore power? If so what good options could be good to have? I assume the 30 A 125 Volt? http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png Does any of you have other plug for European, South American, etc. Marinas? Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM Alexandre, Nicely illustrated, as always. Thank you for the instructive pictures! I note that the way you have hooked up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected. You can protect the 110V shore line using the same isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously. Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic isolator using the same connection point as the 230V shore ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire connector to a three-wire connector.) That way you are protected no matter which shore line you use! 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