[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve


karkauai
 

Hmmm.  That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the output side.  I have a strainer between the stopcock and the pump.  I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
Thanks.
I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water every few months or when ever I  leave the boat for a week or more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it down.  I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple.  I also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using the head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe.  I have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in the flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is usually  plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes to form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap (like a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve. It allows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into the toilet.

Ian


Eric Freedman
 


karkauai
 

No, Eric.  On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake in the "hall" outside each head.  The anchor wash gets its intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
Kent
SM 243

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] u<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 376 is arranged.
Fair Winds,
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> output side. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> Thanks.
> I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it down.
> I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using the
> head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> Kent
> SM243
> Kristy
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... 
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in the
> flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes to
> form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap (like
> a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve. It
> allows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> the toilet.
>
> Ian
>
>


Eric Freedman
 


amelforme
 

Hi Eric Millennium/2000 series boats brought all sea water in as on yours, through the one intake/mini sea chest. 'Classic' models such as Kent' s also have separate salt water supply for each head and the anchor wash feeds from the forward head feed. You are on the money regarding the manifold. All SM 53's are now in the window of possible failure. Really a bad thing to happen. You all should check the manifold by removing all branch hose/feeds. This is very important as I have been seeing many failures and near failures on boats I have for sale or recently sold. Better safe than sorry.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake
> in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from
> the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> > output si! de. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> > Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> > Kent
> > SM243
> > Kristy
> >
> > Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@...
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to
> > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> (like
> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > al! lows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> > the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
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amelforme
 

Everyone take notice. I had one completely fail while we were getting ready to head out to sea. Nobody/nothing touched it! The entire manifold could be mangled bare handed. Really scary...

Joel 
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:54 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Joel,
I was changing a hose on the old manifold and the stub looked like Swiss cheese.
I pulled of a few more and same thing. Mine is in the photo section now made of thick wall S/S.
Fair winds,
Eric


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: "amelyachtowners@..."

> Hi Eric Millennium/2000 series boats brought all sea water in as
> on yours, through the one intake/mini sea chest. 'Classic'
> models such as Kent' s also have separate salt water supply for
> each head and the anchor wash feeds from the forward head feed.
> You are on the money regarding the manifold. All SM 53's are now
> in the window of possible failure. Really a bad thing to happen.
> You all should check the manifold by removing all branch
> hose/feeds. This is very important as I have been seeing many
> failures and near failures on boats I have for sale or recently
> sold. Better safe than sorry.
>
> Joel F. Potter
> THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
> 954-812-2485954-812-2485
>
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > Kent,
> > my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their
> water from the Manifold.
> > You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of
> copper and rotted away ! years ago.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > SM376 Kimberlite
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> > To: amelyachtowners@...
> >
> > > No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull
> intake
> > > in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> > > intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> > > In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> > > cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> > > Kent
> > > SM 243
> > >
> > > Kent Robertson
> > > karkauai@...
> > > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> > >
> > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> > > [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
> > >
> > > Kent,
> > > Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming
> from
> > > the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my
> SM
> > > 376 is arranged.
> > > Fair Winds,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> > > To: amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > > > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on
> the
> > > > output si! de. I have a strainer between the stopcock and
> the
> > > > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve
> as well! .
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh
> water
> > > > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week
> or
> > > > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> > > down.
> > > > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves
> supple. I
> > > > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after
> using
> > > the
> > > > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge
> pipe. I
> > > > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this
> regimen.> > > Kent
> > > > SM243
> > > > Kristy
> > > >
> > > > Kent Robertson
> > > > karkauai@...
> > > > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > > > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop
> in
> > > the
> > > > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There
> is
> > > > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down
> pipes
> > > to
> > > > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> > > (like
> > > > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return
> valve.
> > > It
> > > > al! lows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of
> the boat
> > > > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back
> into
> > > > the toilet.
> > > >
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > > >
> > >!
> > Call
> > Call from mobile
> > Send SMS
> > Add to Skype
> > You'll need Skype CreditFree via Skype
> >
>
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karkauai
 

Hey Eric. When I read and looked at your pictures about your manifold, I took everything apart, mine was clean as a whistle.
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake
> in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from
> the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> > output side. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> > Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> > Kent
> > SM243
> > Kristy
> >
> > Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@...
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to
> > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> (like
> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > allows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> > the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
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karkauai
 

Can someone figure out how to change the heading on these posts about the salt water manifold? That should be something easy to find.

Kristy was completed in 1999, but has the "SM2K" on the rail.  She must have been one of the first to be called a SM2K

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Eric Millennium/2000 series boats brought all sea water in as on yours, through the one intake/mini sea chest. 'Classic' models such as Kent' s also have separate salt water supply for each head and the anchor wash feeds from the forward head feed. You are on the money regarding the manifold. All SM 53's are now in the window of possible failure. Really a bad thing to happen. You all should check the manifold by removing all branch hose/feeds. This is very important as I have been seeing many failures and near failures on boats I have for sale or recently sold. Better safe than sorry.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake
> in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from
> the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> > output si! de. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> > Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> > Kent
> > SM243
> > Kristy
> >
> > Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@...
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to
> > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> (like
> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > al! lows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> > the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
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