Help - 5-Year Plan


devaxmangor@...
 

Thank you Bill. Very wise of you to mention paying attention to the sellers. I will be keenly aware and will only buy a boat if I'm able to meet the owners (not just the broker). 

I'm still reading through your blog and I think I'm up to 2007. Enjoying the read. Thank you both for taking the time to share - incredibly insightful and inspiring.

Take care,

Rick Gutierrez


jandrkennedy@...
 

Rick - a great post and really mirrors my thinking and you did a great job of putting it into words

 I am going to be in the market next year for a Santorin or possibly a Super Maramu and watching the "Yachts for Sale" sites and seeing quite a variation from 150-400K with most around the 250k mark for the SM, does make you ask the question - do I get a cheap one and spend time and money fixing it - but on reading the comments specially Bill's I think it might be better get one as per the discussion.  I saw a month or so ago an owner selling his SM and here was very fair it seemed to me with the price as I recall he said the hours on the motor were high, so it would need replacing soon and he was upfront with that, that is the type of visibility you want when you are ready to buy. If I was in the market now I would have contacted him, and I will probably send an email when I am ready. 

I live in New Zealand so I am probably going to come to America or Europe to buy my Amel, and take a year or two to come back to NZ and is while I am happy to spend 3 months tinkering and fixing things as well as get used to the nuances - buying one that is very run down and having to spend a year of more fixing everything would be a bit too much.  I think Bills comments are spot on.  

I see Amel have a brokerage - and was wondering if this means they have given these the once over and you are likely to get a slightly better boat from their brokerage?

Jim



devaxmangor@...
 

Hi Jim,

Glad to find another like-minded dreamer on here! ;)

I see that the few Amels down there are quite expensive. I can't remember but I think the import taxes for Australia are pretty insane. Same in NZ? 

Good luck and please keep us posted on your progress. Maybe I can live vicariously through what you are doing and hopefully follow you a couple years later!

Cheers,

Rick Gutierrez


Bob Fritz
 

Rick,

You have a good plan, but there is an important bit of training that you should include. Before you put down big bucks on a boat, be sure that you and your wife, if she plans to go, do a long offshore passage. I say this as I spent several years training prospective offshore sailors prior to purchasing the boat of their dreams. The passages were a minimum of at least a thousand miles in the North Atlantic. Sometimes easy, sometimes rough and often a mix of both. Bottom line is at the end, most were enthusiastic, but maybe a third decided that it was fun, but they would stick to coastal sailing with their current boat. A very few hated it. There are stories of inexperienced sailors who after reaching their first port, put their boat up for sale, or hired someone like me to bring their boat home. They had not had a happy voyage. One easy way to gain offshore experience is to contact Hank Schmitt Offshore Passage Opportunities. He runs a service putting owners and crew together.

With respect to Amels, I have close to 50K ocean miles delivering various ones. I have tremendous respect for these boats and would take them anywhere in the world without question. All that I have sailed have been in good to excellent condition with the single exception of a very neglected boat. You should stick with Plan 1, so you don't waste valuable time and money in a refit. DO NOT buy an Amel with the dreaded owner modifications. In my experience, modifications are not an improvement over the original and decrease the value of the boat.

Lastly, do not use just any broker when you are looking for an Amel. When the time comes to purchase an Amel, contact Joel Potter in Florida. He knows Amels inside out and the history of each of the boats he sells.

Good luck with your plan.

Bob Fritz
Arrowsic Island, Maine.


devaxmangor@...
 

Thank you Bob. Definitely on my to-do list, at least for me. I don't think I can get the wife interested in doing a long passage yet. Hopefully that would change - but I have time. 

Thank you for the referral with Hank Schmitt. Into my list of important sailing contacts. I think I will try to crew until after I have undergone all the training and local sailing club time. Don't want to be dead weight! 

Another very experience voice mirroring the choice for #1. I think I'm in that camp also now. Although I love fixing and tinkering, I see that a boat will give me plenty of opportunities to do that with just the regular maintenance items. 

I've heard that name before in a blog somewhere, so I have him also in my sailing list. Thank you for that.

Take care.

Rick Gutierrez


jandrkennedy@...
 

Hi Rick

There is a tax, and it is 15% - but for some reason all boats seem to be more expensive down here, most likely reflects the distance and also supply and demand.

I am hoping to have my business sold in the first half of next year and then I am into my search in earnest.

I believe I will probably end up purchasing in the US or Europe and slowly working my way back to the south pacfic.

And will certainly keep in touch - I hope to be able to ask lots of questions and look forward to meeting some Amel owners.

Good luck and keep at it.

Jim


devaxmangor@...
 

Hey bob,

Was thinking through this a little deeper. In regards to owner modifications, I'm assuming you mean fundamental changes to how the boat operates correct?

There are a few modifications that I would consider as a positive when I'm looking, or making when I purchase. Here's the two that I would consider but let me know if it is a bad idea:

- solar power/dingy davit arch off the stern
- longer bowsprit (similar to Delos?)
- maybe getting rid of the dish washer - not sure that would be that important and might be better to have more storage/refrigerator???

Again, just beginning the process here so totally cool if these are bad ideas.

Thanks again.

Rick


sbmesasailor
 

I have to respectfully disagree with Bob as far as tackling the North Atlantic.  My wife and I will soon complete our circumnavigation having gone down the west coast of Central America, turning west at Ecuador and making Australia, Thailand, up into the Med and across the Atlantic from the Canaries.  You stay in those latitudes, stick to the cruising seasons and you can avoid gales, hurricanes, cyclones and by all means the North Atlantic and the Southern Indian Ocean.  We call our voyage World Cruising Without Calamity.  If we aren't considered 'tried and tested' sailors, that's ok with us.

Dennis Johns
s/v Libertad
Maramu #121
Granada


sbmesasailor
 

I am the owner of a 33 year old Perkins 4-154 with 9600 hours on it.  When I bought the boat it had 4600 hours.  I have never cleaned/changed the injectors or adjusted the valves.  I change the fuel filters only when the engine begins to hesitate.  I overheated it once and blew a head gasket.  I do change the oil every 100 hours.  The engine now leaks oil into the bilge, so I have to remember to turn off the bilge pump as I enter a marina.

I'm not proud of the fact that I do so little engine maintenance but the engine kicks over immediately every time I turn the key and I get the same 3/4 gallon per hour I have always gotten and still cruise at 6.5 knots at 2000 rpm.

I know repowering is in the near future and I'm not looking forward to the decision to go with a current marine diesel or a rebuild for exactly what Bill R. was talking about.

Rick,

In addition to ASA classes, you should also look into the USPS offerings.  There is probably a local squadron you can join.

Dennis Johns
s/v Libertad


devaxmangor@...
 

Thank you Dennis.

I'll be looking at the USPS offerings. Always thought that was for motorboats but makes sense that many things would be useful to both.

Cheers,

Rick Gutierrez