[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan


James Alton
 

Rick,

   One example of a modification to an Amel that concerned me involved drilling lots of holes in the watertight bulkheads to run new wiring.  In this case, the boat had been converted from the original 220V to US 110 volt.  The Amels seem to  be well thought out and any modifications are best carefully considered I think.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 12, 2016, at 5:23 PM, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hey bob,


Was thinking through this a little deeper. In regards to owner modifications, I'm assuming you mean fundamental changes to how the boat operates correct?

There are a few modifications that I would consider as a positive when I'm looking, or making when I purchase. Here's the two that I would consider but let me know if it is a bad idea:

- solar power/dingy davit arch off the stern
- longer bowsprit (similar to Delos?)
- maybe getting rid of the dish washer - not sure that would be that important and might be better to have more storage/refrigerator???

Again, just beginning the process here so totally cool if these are bad ideas.

Thanks again.

Rick




Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Rick,

Here are the various owner manuals.
Depending of the SM or SM2K model you have, you will see slight difference or evolutions on the battery chargers or air intake for the Espar heater, etc.
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Users_Guide_CP.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Guide_utilisateur_Pack_Confort.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Manuel_du_proprietaire_Pack_Confort.pdf


Also good to know:
http://nikimat.com/amel_Super_Maramu_2000_Polar_Chart.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part1.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part2.pdf

Here are as well some other links for maintenance and repairs:
Bow Thruster Overhaul with you will need to do every 2 years:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Recently I did the Windlass regular maintenance and the complete overhaul
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Change of the Onan Exhaust Elbow:
http://nikimat.com/onan_exhaust_elbow_replacement.html
Onan water pump cleaning:
http://nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Main sail car repair:
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

Companion way lock:
http://nikimat.com/companion_way_broken_lock.html

Removing the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_removal.html

Accessing the dishwasher:
http://nikimat.com/dishwasher_access.html

Cleaning the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_cleaning.html

I also have made some illustrations on installing a Galvanic Isolator and AC Multimeters
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html


My diesel class was from a now retired instructor, it is about the same on all diesel engines.
The main issue to to make sure there is no air in the fuel line, how to bleed, etc. I am not sure you need to learn more than that.

The way I do it: if this is something that needs to be done every 10 years (like rebuilding the propeller), I rather hire someone that does it on a regular basis…
If this is something that needs to be done on a regular basis (every 2 years) then I will learn.

Totally agree with living onboard for at least 1 year before to make any change, this is the advice I was given.

Here is the link for the survey:
http://nikimat.com/Expertise_Super_Maramu_2000_BALAO_septembre.pdf
It is in French.

My belief, or at least hope, is that when all the maintenance is up to date it is easier to do it regularly.
I am probably an exception on the group as I have to work (from the boat), so when I arrived somewhere I have to get connected to the internet and work.
So because of that, instead to wait for parts to break I change or maintain them when I have the chance, as never they break at a good time.
I was told: “Schedule your maintenance before your maintenance schedule you”.

My trip has only be the Caribbean so far, I can’t imagine for Bill and Judy the additional shipping cost to Asia, etc…

Diesel engine are very strong and durable, change your oil, filter (oil is VERY cheap compare to an overhaul), etc.
Take care of your equipment and your equipment will take care of you.

Finally, yes this forum is amazing: Olivier, Gary, Bill, etc.


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




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On Sat, 11/12/16, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 1:05 PM


 









Thank you Alexandre,
I definitely plan on taking all the
ASA courses I can. As I think I mentioned in another post, I
am obsessive/compulsive when it comes to learning, so I
enjoy the process. 
Can you point me to a place to
download the service manuals? I have read somewhere that
there are some in this group? If not I will do a search, but
just in case you had it handy somewhere it would be greatly
appreciated.
RE: Basic
Diesel. Definitely want to do this. However, I've also
read that there are more in-depth classes specific to the
engine manufacturer. I have heard that Yanmar does these
sort of classes (haven't really researched this yet but
came across it - haven't heard of Volvo doing it but I
would be surprised if they don't). I would assumed then
that these courses would be considerably more intensive than
the Basic Diesel? I can see taking one of these as a
top-list item in my book. Overkill?
I've constantly heard the
"live on the boat for one year before you decided to
make any modifications/fixes/upgrades" and it seems
quite logical. Something you thought you'd want may turn
out to be a non-factor.
RE: sharing your survey. If it has
anything that would help me understand some of the typical
wear factors (and maybe not so typical) on the Amel for
future reference when I am at that stage, I would greatly
appreciate it. 
Thank
you for the 20% figure. I had estimated 10% per year, but I
can see how the first couple of years there maybe additional
modifications/upgrades to get it to what would be right for
us (I don't use the word perfect because I know that is
a trap to get stuck never finishing - been there done
that). 
Glad to know
that the 15-20 hours is accurate on weekly maintenance.
Heard that number about other boats and knowing from an
experienced Amel owner gives that figure more
weight.
RE: parts.
Thankfully, reading through SV BeBe's blog I can clearly
see the costs and time associated with trying to obtain
parts at foreign ports. The plans would be to stock up on
just about as much spare parts/units that I can carry, and
it appears that the Amel's have plenty of storage. Thank
you for sharing your spare parts list. 
Engine hours is amazing. I though
that an engine would get long in the tooth at around 3,000
hours and would need to be changed. I really need to learn
more about diesel engines!
Thank you for tightening up my
budgets. Starting to work on my spreadsheets and this will
help a lot.
Can't
tell you how glad I am that I found this forum and posters
like yourself and the rest. A great support group is also
something that will definitely influence my decision on
purchasing an Amel.
Good luck to your continued
endeavors. 
Cheers,
Rick Gutierrez


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello again Rick,

The pictures you see are actually when I purchased the vessel.
As you can see it was (still is) in excellent condition!
The red/green came with the boat, it just show when the wheel is centered.


Sincerely, Alexandre


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On Sat, 11/12/16, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 3:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
Just looked at your web site in more
detail. You have done an incredible job on your boat. Looks
brand new! Love the color in the interior. I was thinking
something bright like burnt orange but the yellow seems to
work real nice and bring the color out of the wood. I also
like SV Bebe's new interior. That white looks real
clean.
Also, silly question.
Noticed the red/green tape(?) on the wheel. I haven't
seen that but I'm assuming that is so that you can have
tactile as well as visual cue where the centerline is under
any conditions? Just curious. I hadn't seen that but
makes perfect sense. I guess I need to pay more
attention.
Also, not
sure how Yahoo groups works, but just in case it doesn't
make it easy, here is my email address:
devax@....
Take care,
Rick Gutierrez









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James Alton
 

Alexandre,

   You did a truly excellent job of documenting the bow thruster service.  May I ask how often you replace your bearings?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 13, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning Rick, 

Here are the various owner manuals.  
Depending of the SM or SM2K model you have, you will see slight difference or evolutions on the battery chargers or air intake for the Espar heater, etc. 
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Users_Guide_CP.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Guide_utilisateur_Pack_Confort.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Manuel_du_proprietaire_Pack_Confort.pdf

Also good to know:  
http://nikimat.com/amel_Super_Maramu_2000_Polar_Chart.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part1.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part2.pdf

Here are as well some other links for maintenance and repairs:
Bow Thruster Overhaul with you will need to do every 2 years:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Recently I did the Windlass regular maintenance and the complete overhaul
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Change of the Onan Exhaust Elbow:
http://nikimat.com/onan_exhaust_elbow_replacement.html
Onan water pump cleaning:
http://nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Main sail car repair: 
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

Companion way lock: 
http://nikimat.com/companion_way_broken_lock.html

Removing the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_removal.html

Accessing the dishwasher:
http://nikimat.com/dishwasher_access.html

Cleaning the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_cleaning.html

I also have made some illustrations on installing a Galvanic Isolator and AC Multimeters
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

My diesel class was from a now retired instructor, it is about the same on all diesel engines.  
The main issue to to make sure there is no air in the fuel line, how to bleed, etc. I am not sure you need to learn more than that.  

The way I do it: if this is something that needs to be done every 10 years (like rebuilding the propeller), I rather hire someone that does it on a regular basis…  
If this is something that needs to be done on a regular basis (every 2 years) then I will learn. 

Totally agree with living onboard for at least 1 year before to make any change, this is the advice I was given.  

Here is the link for the survey:  
http://nikimat.com/Expertise_Super_Maramu_2000_BALAO_septembre.pdf
It is in French.  

My belief, or at least hope, is that when all the maintenance is up to date it is easier to do it regularly.  
I am probably an exception on the group as I have to work (from the boat), so when I arrived somewhere I have to get connected to the internet and work.  
So because of that, instead to wait for parts to break I change or maintain them when I have the chance, as never they break at a good time.  
I was told: “Schedule your maintenance before your maintenance schedule you”.  

My trip has only be the Caribbean so far, I can’t imagine for Bill and Judy the additional shipping cost to Asia, etc…  

Diesel engine are very strong and durable, change your oil, filter (oil is VERY cheap compare to an overhaul), etc. 
Take care of your equipment and your equipment will take care of you. 

Finally, yes this forum is amazing: Olivier, Gary, Bill, etc. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

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On Sat, 11/12/16, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 1:05 PM


 









Thank you Alexandre,
I definitely plan on taking all the
ASA courses I can. As I think I mentioned in another post, I
am obsessive/compulsive when it comes to learning, so I
enjoy the process. 
Can you point me to a place to
download the service manuals? I have read somewhere that
there are some in this group? If not I will do a search, but
just in case you had it handy somewhere it would be greatly
appreciated.
RE: Basic
Diesel. Definitely want to do this. However, I've also
read that there are more in-depth classes specific to the
engine manufacturer. I have heard that Yanmar does these
sort of classes (haven't really researched this yet but
came across it - haven't heard of Volvo doing it but I
would be surprised if they don't). I would assumed then
that these courses would be considerably more intensive than
the Basic Diesel? I can see taking one of these as a
top-list item in my book. Overkill?
I've constantly heard the
"live on the boat for one year before you decided to
make any modifications/fixes/upgrades" and it seems
quite logical. Something you thought you'd want may turn
out to be a non-factor.
RE: sharing your survey. If it has
anything that would help me understand some of the typical
wear factors (and maybe not so typical) on the Amel for
future reference when I am at that stage, I would greatly
appreciate it. 
Thank
you for the 20% figure. I had estimated 10% per year, but I
can see how the first couple of years there maybe additional
modifications/upgrades to get it to what would be right for
us (I don't use the word perfect because I know that is
a trap to get stuck never finishing - been there done
that). 
Glad to know
that the 15-20 hours is accurate on weekly maintenance.
Heard that number about other boats and knowing from an
experienced Amel owner gives that figure more
weight.
RE: parts.
Thankfully, reading through SV BeBe's blog I can clearly
see the costs and time associated with trying to obtain
parts at foreign ports. The plans would be to stock up on
just about as much spare parts/units that I can carry, and
it appears that the Amel's have plenty of storage. Thank
you for sharing your spare parts list. 
Engine hours is amazing. I though
that an engine would get long in the tooth at around 3,000
hours and would need to be changed. I really need to learn
more about diesel engines!
Thank you for tightening up my
budgets. Starting to work on my spreadsheets and this will
help a lot.
Can't
tell you how glad I am that I found this forum and posters
like yourself and the rest. A great support group is also
something that will definitely influence my decision on
purchasing an Amel.
Good luck to your continued
endeavors. 
Cheers,
Rick Gutierrez







Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning James,

With time I will try to post more illustration…

Personally I change the bearing every time I service the bow thruster.
The way I look at it, the cost of the bearing is very small compare to all the work/time involved…

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 11/13/16, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016, 7:51 AM


 









Alexandre,
   You did a truly excellent
job of documenting the bow thruster service.  May I ask how
often you replace your bearings?
Best,
James AltonSV Sueno,  Maramu #220Arbatax,  ItalyOn Nov 13, 2016, at 9:03 AM,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Good morning Rick, 

Here are the various owner
manuals.  
Depending of the SM
or SM2K model you have, you will see slight difference or
evolutions on the battery chargers or air intake for the
Espar heater, etc. 
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Users_Guide_CP.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Guide_utilisateur_Pack_Confort.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Manuel_du_proprietaire_Pack_Confort.pdf

Also good to know:  
http://nikimat.com/amel_Super_Maramu_2000_Polar_Chart.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part1.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part2.pdf

Here are as well some other links
for maintenance and repairs:
Bow Thruster Overhaul with you
will need to do every 2 years:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Recently I did the Windlass
regular maintenance and the complete overhaul
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Change of the Onan Exhaust
Elbow:
http://nikimat.com/onan_exhaust_elbow_replacement.html
Onan water pump
cleaning:
http://nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Main sail car repair: 
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

Companion way lock: 
http://nikimat.com/companion_way_broken_lock.html

Removing the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_removal.html

Accessing the dishwasher:
http://nikimat.com/dishwasher_access.html

Cleaning the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_cleaning.html

I also have made some
illustrations on installing a Galvanic Isolator and AC
Multimeters
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

My diesel class was from a now
retired instructor, it is about the same on all diesel
engines.  
The main issue to to
make sure there is no air in the fuel line, how to bleed,
etc. I am not sure you need to learn more than that.  

The way I do it: if this is
something that needs to be done every 10 years (like
rebuilding the propeller), I rather hire someone that does
it on a regular basis…  
If this is something
that needs to be done on a regular basis (every 2 years)
then I will learn. 

Totally agree with living onboard
for at least 1 year before to make any change, this is the
advice I was given.  

Here is the link for the
survey:  
http://nikimat.com/Expertise_Super_Maramu_2000_BALAO_septembre.pdf
It is in
French.  

My belief, or at least hope, is
that when all the maintenance is up to date it is easier to
do it regularly.  
I am probably an
exception on the group as I have to work (from the boat), so
when I arrived somewhere I have to get connected to the
internet and work.  
So because of that,
instead to wait for parts to break I change or maintain them
when I have the chance, as never they break at a good
time.  
I was told:
“Schedule your maintenance before your maintenance
schedule you”.  

My trip has only be the Caribbean
so far, I can’t imagine for Bill and Judy the additional
shipping cost to Asia, etc…  

Diesel engine are very strong and
durable, change your oil, filter (oil is VERY cheap compare
to an overhaul), etc. 
Take care of your
equipment and your equipment will take care of you. 

Finally, yes this forum is
amazing: Olivier, Gary, Bill, etc. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI

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On Sat,
11/12/16, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday,
November 12, 2016, 1:05 PM


 









Thank you Alexandre,
I definitely plan on
taking all the
ASA courses I can. As I think I
mentioned in another post, I
am obsessive/compulsive when it
comes to learning, so I
enjoy the process. 
Can you point me to
a place to
download the service manuals? I
have read somewhere that
there are some in this group? If
not I will do a search, but
just in case you had it handy
somewhere it would be greatly
appreciated.
RE: Basic
Diesel. Definitely want to do
this. However, I've also
read that there are more in-depth
classes specific to the
engine manufacturer. I have heard
that Yanmar does these
sort of classes (haven't
really researched this yet but
came across it - haven't
heard of Volvo doing it but I
would be surprised if they
don't). I would assumed then
that these courses would be
considerably more intensive than
the Basic Diesel? I can see
taking one of these as a
top-list item in my book.
Overkill?
I've constantly heard the
"live on the
boat for one year before you decided to
make any
modifications/fixes/upgrades" and it seems
quite logical.
Something you thought you'd want may turn
out to be a
non-factor.
RE:
sharing your survey. If it has
anything that would help me
understand some of the typical
wear factors (and maybe not so
typical) on the Amel for
future reference when I am at
that stage, I would greatly
appreciate it. 
Thank
you for the 20% figure. I had
estimated 10% per year, but I
can see how the first couple of
years there maybe additional
modifications/upgrades to get it
to what would be right for
us (I don't use the word
perfect because I know that is
a trap to get stuck never
finishing - been there done
that). 
Glad to know
that the 15-20 hours is accurate
on weekly maintenance.
Heard that number about other
boats and knowing from an
experienced Amel owner gives that
figure more
weight.
RE: parts.
Thankfully, reading through SV
BeBe's blog I can clearly
see the costs and time associated
with trying to obtain
parts at foreign ports. The plans
would be to stock up on
just about as much spare
parts/units that I can carry, and
it appears that the Amel's
have plenty of storage. Thank
you for sharing your spare parts
list. 
Engine
hours is amazing. I though
that an engine would get long in
the tooth at around 3,000
hours and would need to be
changed. I really need to learn
more about diesel engines!
Thank you for
tightening up my
budgets. Starting to work on my
spreadsheets and this will
help a lot.
Can't
tell you how glad I am that I
found this forum and posters
like yourself and the rest. A
great support group is also
something that will definitely
influence my decision on
purchasing an Amel.
Good luck to your
continued
endeavors. 
Cheers,
Rick Gutierrez
















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sailingaquarius@...
 

Hello Alex,

This is Ken on Aquarius.  I am so sorry to hear about Nikimat, and hope your issues with the insurance company will be resolved in the near future.  

I had heard that you have many spare parts, and trying to sell them.  Do you still have any Main Outhaul Motors/Gears?  If so, please let me know.

All the best,

Ken Powers
Aquarius
Currently in Panama
Shelter Bay Marina