[Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle


amelforme
 

No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.

 

When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.

 

Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…

 

Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 

 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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JOHN HAYES
 

Thanks for this info. Same happened to me when I slipped my Santorin. Unfortunately we thought it must have hit a brick and so dried it out and glassed it up!!

Guess we now need to slip again and drill a new hole.  Bugger !


On 20/11/2016, at 1:16 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.

 

When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.

 

Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…

 

Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 

 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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Donato Valente
 

Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 


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Il giorno 19 nov 2016, alle ore 19:16, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.

 

When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.

 

Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…

 

Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 

 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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James Alton
 

Donato,

   I am sure that someone will be back to you soon on how to remove your rudder.  I thought that I would direct you to the File section of this Owners group where under “Amel Drawings” there are 7 pages of drawings on the Super Maramu rudder which might be helpful.  Also, if you have not already done so, take some photos of the “surface cracks” that are of concern to you since they could be helpful in giving some direction.  The rudder on my boat has some cracks in the areas around the hinge points that is only a fairing compound applied over the fittings to smooth things up and as such are not a problem,  you did not say where yours were.  My Amel is relatively new to me so again best to have one of the experts direct you through the removal process but I will say from having worked on boats all my life for a living that the Amel rudders are very well constructed and unlikely to fail barring major damage.  I would evaluate the cracks that you are seeing before making a determination to remove the rudder.

Best,

James Alton
SV, Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:53 PM, Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 




Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Donato,

removing the rudder blade is not a quick and easy job...
Before telling you how to do it, I would like to know what is the extent of the cracks. Did you hit something or came aground? A sma11 to medium hit and consequent cracks are usually repairable on the spot, without dismantling the rudder from its location.

You could send one or two pictures to help.

Have a good day.

Olivier.


On Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:44 AM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Donato,

   I am sure that someone will be back to you soon on how to remove your rudder.  I thought that I would direct you to the File section of this Owners group where under “Amel Drawings” there are 7 pages of drawings on the Super Maramu rudder which might be helpful.  Also, if you have not already done so, take some photos of the “surface cracks” that are of concern to you since they could be helpful in giving some direction.  The rudder on my boat has some cracks in the areas around the hinge points that is only a fairing compound applied over the fittings to smooth things up and as such are not a problem,  you did not say where yours were.  My Amel is relatively new to me so again best to have one of the experts direct you through the removal process but I will say from having worked on boats all my life for a living that the Amel rudders are very well constructed and unlikely to fail barring major damage.  I would evaluate the cracks that you are seeing before making a determination to remove the rudder.

Best,

James Alton
SV, Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:53 PM, Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 






christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

I had the rudder down on our Maramu last spring
due to cracks & poor repairs done when the one of the previous owners replaced or repaired the rudder shaft following a hard rounding (pure guess work as we do not have any history for the vessel).

Step by step on how we did it on the hard
- lift up the boat so as you have at least an additional 60 cm ground clearance to allow the rudder to slip down
- shore up (vwith wooden block Under the rudder to support
- remove pilot link on rudder lever in cabin
- remove clamping bolts & nuts (3 x 10mm) on the square section top of shaft; grounding straps off; Watch out for shims on square section
- unbolt center support on rudder blade (called femelot in french); when bolts are unscrewed both flanges will open up on their own free will; do not cut grounding cable (SSB) linking to copper plate
- unbolt clamping bolts & nuts (3 x 10 mm)  on base of rudder blade (called crapaudine in french);
- support weight of rudder slipping lever beam Under, & remove wooden blocks supporting the rudder. Bring down slowly supporing by hand (two strong men can hold with ne assistant to guide).
- rudder laid down on ground you will be free t inspect & check for cracks & faulty repairs (ours was stuffed with gel coat resin & fiber to fill in around SS shaft )
- do all necessary repairs using proper methods (clean down to sane material, & rebuild using resin fiber cloth before protecting)
- take advantage to check main hull on skeg for cracks wher half hulls were assembled together (weak point on old boats can genertae cracks and water ingress if damaged)

Then you will have to reverse actions to mount back in hull ...
another story requiring patient adjusting when bolting the 'Femelot' & the 'Crapaudine', to match 2 x 3 bolt holes, & to cut to length when securely fastened.

final step will be to replace packing on top of shaft; screwing on delrin nut after each navigation until well tightened (not too much !).
check bolts on square section regularly, they come unfastened with rudder motion if not checked.

Hope this helps
fair winds 

christian alby - Maramu 168 Désirade VIII - Canet South of France
 




De : "Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners]"
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Dimanche 20 novembre 2016 2h53
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 
Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 


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Il giorno 19 nov 2016, alle ore 19:16, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 
No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.
 
When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.
 
Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…
 
Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.
 
 
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle
 
 
Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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Donato Valente
 

Thanks for the great help. 
We will post later some pics, but we are unable to evaluate how deep is the crack because it runs vertically along the shaft near the skeg face. So it's quite difficult to work on. 
Thanks again 
Donato 

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Il giorno 20 nov 2016, alle ore 04:20, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

I had the rudder down on our Maramu last spring
due to cracks & poor repairs done when the one of the previous owners replaced or repaired the rudder shaft following a hard rounding (pure guess work as we do not have any history for the vessel).

Step by step on how we did it on the hard
- lift up the boat so as you have at least an additional 60 cm ground clearance to allow the rudder to slip down
- shore up (vwith wooden block Under the rudder to support
- remove pilot link on rudder lever in cabin
- remove clamping bolts & nuts (3 x 10mm) on the square section top of shaft; grounding straps off; Watch out for shims on square section
- unbolt center support on rudder blade (called femelot in french); when bolts are unscrewed both flanges will open up on their own free will; do not cut grounding cable (SSB) linking to copper plate
- unbolt clamping bolts & nuts (3 x 10 mm)  on base of rudder blade (called crapaudine in french);
- support weight of rudder slipping lever beam Under, & remove wooden blocks supporting the rudder. Bring down slowly supporing by hand (two strong men can hold with ne assistant to guide).
- rudder laid down on ground you will be free t inspect & check for cracks & faulty repairs (ours was stuffed with gel coat resin & fiber to fill in around SS shaft )
- do all necessary repairs using proper methods (clean down to sane material, & rebuild using resin fiber cloth before protecting)
- take advantage to check main hull on skeg for cracks wher half hulls were assembled together (weak point on old boats can genertae cracks and water ingress if damaged)

Then you will have to reverse actions to mount back in hull ...
another story requiring patient adjusting when bolting the 'Femelot' & the 'Crapaudine', to match 2 x 3 bolt holes, & to cut to length when securely fastened.

final step will be to replace packing on top of shaft; screwing on delrin nut after each navigation until well tightened (not too much !).
check bolts on square section regularly, they come unfastened with rudder motion if not checked.

Hope this helps
fair winds 

christian alby - Maramu 168 Désirade VIII - Canet South of France
 




De : "Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Dimanche 20 novembre 2016 2h53
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 
Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 


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Il giorno 19 nov 2016, alle ore 19:16, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 
No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.
 
When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.
 
Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…
 
Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.
 
 
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle
 
 
Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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James Alton
 

Donato,
  The rudder is made of two halves so some evidence of a seam may be normal.  Again the Amel rudder is new to me so if an expert like Oliver responds I would be listening to him.  
   Have you tried applying moderate force to turn the rudder each way (perhaps two men pushing on the rudder TE while the rudder shaft is held in some fashion) to see if what you think is a crack opens and closes as the force is applied and released?   

Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax, Italy

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Date: 11-20-2016 10:33 AM (GMT-04:00)
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Donato Valente
 

James, yes we did. The crack looks deep and suspicious and in a  position very difficult to inspect. 
Unfortunately we have a very poor connection and can't then post pictures today. 
We have finished to prepare the work and tomorrow should unload the rudder. 
Will also check the nylon (or teflon ? ) bushing inside the central support of the rudder (femelot) but guess not expected to be changed (unless made in two parts ?). 

Thanks again to Christian for his very detailed step-by-step  suggestions. 


Donato 
SM2000 Ocean Bird 
#468
Linton Bay, Panama


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Il giorno 20 nov 2016, alle ore 10:44, Lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Donato,
  The rudder is made of two halves so some evidence of a seam may be normal.  Again the Amel rudder is new to me so if an expert like Oliver responds I would be listening to him.  
   Have you tried applying moderate force to turn the rudder each way (perhaps two men pushing on the rudder TE while the rudder shaft is held in some fashion) to see if what you think is a crack opens and closes as the force is applied and released?   

Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax, Italy

Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 11-20-2016 10:33 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle